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| Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by BERNIMOORE: 11:18am On Aug 06, 2015 |
YakubuA:OK, is this verse not part of quaran, explain! Quaran 9:123 Sahih International O [size=14pt]you who have believed, fight those adjacent to you of the disbelievers and let them find in you harshness[/size]. And know that Allah is with the righteous. The verse does not mention anything like government, so know the kind of concoctions you will defend with  |
| Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by YakubuA: 4:59pm On Aug 06, 2015 |
BERNIMOORE: Yes it is part of the Quran but it is not a proof. You see unlike you Christians we Muslims do not just take literal translation of a verse rather we take it base on the understanding of the Prophet and his Companions. So based on that this verse was referring to the tribes that reside in Medina who had a treaty with the Muslims but later violated the treaty and joined forces with the pagans of Quraish, from Mecca, who came to exterminate the Muslims during the battle of the confederates. After the incident Allah grant the Muslims permission to fight these tribe for their evil plots and evil alliances not because of their believe. Below is part of the Tafsir of Ibn Abbas for the verse: (O ye who believe!) in Muhammad (pbuh) and in the Qur’an (Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you) the Banu Qurayzah, Banu’l-Nadir, Fadak and Khaybar, (and let them find harshness in you) toughness from you, (and know) O believers (that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)) Allah helps the believers: Muhammad (pbuh) and his Companions, by making them victorious over their enemies. |
| Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by YakubuA: 5:10pm On Aug 06, 2015 |
limamintruth: Since you cannot comprehend the truth continue to live in your ignorance deluding yourself. Though I pray for God to guide but if you chose otherwise you will end up in hellfire. |
| Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by limamintruth: 5:46pm On Aug 06, 2015 |
YakubuA: Why dont you first think of how you'd salvage yourself from the occult you call islam, rather than worry about me?  Even your so-called prophet wasnt sure of where he'd end up at, knowing fully well the kind of evil lifestyle he lived. And funny enough, he even likened making heaven(for you muslims) to a rat-race(i.e a game of luck that is unpredictable ), smh.So hope you can now see that you need your pathetic prayer more than I do cos my guarantee of making heaven is not based on luck, but on certainty from Christ Jesus.  |
| Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by YakubuA: 6:08pm On Aug 06, 2015 |
limamintruth: As a Muslim I am guaranteed to go to Paradise of course it is not free one has to work for it by obeying the commands of Allah and avoid His prohibitions for those who do that shall surely enter paradise while those like you who refused to acknowledge the truth shall surely enter hellfire. Our beloved Prophet is also guaranteed to be in Paradise and we are very certain on this. This is in the Quran. By the way Jesus has never guaranty you salvation because he has no authority to do that. God guaranty salvation to only those who obey Him and do the righteous deed and that is exactly what we have in Islam. As for the criminals who disobey God and abuse other people shall surely be in hellfire and as at the moment I am sure you qualify to be one of its inhabitants. |
| Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by limamintruth: 6:27pm On Aug 06, 2015 |
YakubuA: Well, do save your sermon for your pathetic self, not me.  ..... “Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those who say this are witless. Islam says: 'Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Kill them, put them to the sword and scatter their armies'.... "Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to paradise, which can be opened only for holy warriors! "There are hundreds of other [Koranic] psalms and hadiths urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.'” {smh} Ayatollah Khomeini (Iran's Supreme Spiritual Leader) O you who believe, FIGHT THOSE OF THE DISBELIEVERS WHO ARE CLOSE TO YOU, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who are the Al-muttaqoon(the pious). {smh} Quran 9:123 |
| Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by BERNIMOORE: 8:07pm On Aug 06, 2015 |
YakubuA:. who decides what constitutes proofs? YakubuA:Gbam! this is where the problem lies! The Boko Haram Al Shabbab etc Does not believe in stories that are 'Afterthought' like the one i strike through below because they are not found or contained in the quaran can you quote verses where these story below can be found? [s]So based on that this verse was referring to the tribes that reside in Medina who had a treaty with the Muslims but later violated the treaty and joined forces with the pagans of Quraish, from Mecca, who came to exterminate the Muslims during the battle of the confederates. After the incident Allah grant the Muslims permission to fight these tribe for their evil plots and evil alliances not because of their believe. [/s] post the verse where the story is found unlike my own defence that jesus was not only sent to the isreal but also to the non isrealites all my defence were not only found in the bible or book of mathew but also the chapter 15 itself which you posted as your proof; QUESTION FOR YOU; You are yet to tell us WHY a Canaanite woman (non isrealite) benefited from what is meant 'only' for the isreal Yet jesus came only for the isreali.......a phrase that i will give evidences in the bible to prove. Mathew 15: 22 And a Canaanite woman from that region came out and began to cry out, saying, "Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David; my daughter is cruelly demon-possessed." 23But He did not answer her a word. And His disciples came and implored Him, saying, "Send her away, because she keeps shouting at us." 24But He answered and said, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." 25But she came and began to bow down before Him, saying, "Lord, help me!" 26And He answered and said, "It is not good to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs." 27But she said, "Yes, Lord; but even the dogs feed on the crumbs which fall from their masters' table." 28Then Jesus said to her, "O woman, your faith is great; it shall be done for you as you wish." And her daughter was healed at once. |
| Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by YakubuA: 12:07am On Aug 07, 2015 |
limamintruth: Limamin hellfire I have already address this verse in my earlier post today and if you are able to comprehend you will understand what I posted. By the way the verse above is not as bad as the following which according to Jesus he did not abolish. Or are they not from the bible? [b]1. Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the [holy man] who represents God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged. Deuteronomy17:12 2. I will fill your mountains with the dead. Your hills, your valleys, and your streams will be filled with people slaughtered by the sword. I will make you desolate forever. Your cities will never be rebuilt. Then you will know that I am God. Ezekiel 35:7-9 3. Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother-in-law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. Matthew 10:34-35 4. Make ready to slaughter [the infidel’s] sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. Isaiah 14:21 5. Then I heard God say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children.” Ezekiel 9:5 6. Keep [my holiday], for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die. Exodus 31:12-15 7. If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. Leviticus 20:10 8. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Numbers 31: 17-18 9. A [holy man’s] daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. Leviticus 21:9 10. Everyone who would not seek God was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. 2 Chronicles 15:12-13 11. But if [a girl wasn't a virgin on her wedding night] and evidence of the girl's virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her father’s house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against God’s people by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. Deuteronomy 22:20-21 12. If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. Deuteronomy 13:7-12 13. Cursed be he who does God’s work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. Jeremiah 48:10 14. Anyone who blasphemes God’s name must be stoned to death by the whole community of [believers]. Leviticus 24:16 15. Anyone else who goes too near the [Holy Place] will be executed. Numbers 1: 51 And Jesus said mathew 5: 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.[/b] On your quote on Khomaini: This is also a quote from your Christian brother you can do your search and confirm Prof. Jenkins is not a Muslim but he is like you: [b]Defense Vs. Total Annihilation "Much to my surprise, the Islamic scriptures in the Quran were actually far less bloody and less violent than those in the Bible," Jenkins says. Jenkins is a professor at Penn State University and author of two books dealing with the issue: the recently published Jesus Wars, and Dark Passages , which has not been published but is already drawing controversy. Much to my surprise, the Islamic scriptures in the Quran were actually far less bloody and less violent than those in the Bible. Philip Jenkins, author of 'Jesus Wars' Violence in the Quran, he and others say, is largely a defense against attack. "By the standards of the time, which is the 7th century A.D., the laws of war that are laid down by the Quran are actually reasonably humane," he says. "Then we turn to the Bible, and we actually find something that is for many people a real surprise. There is a specific kind of warfare laid down in the Bible which we can only call genocide." It is called herem, and it means total annihilation. Consider the Book of 1 Samuel, when God instructs King Saul to attack the Amalekites: "And utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them," God says through the prophet Samuel. "But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey." When Saul failed to do that, God took away his kingdom. "In other words," Jenkins says, "Saul has committed a dreadful sin by failing to complete genocide. And that passage echoes through Christian history. It is often used, for example, in American stories of the confrontation with Indians — not just is it legitimate to kill Indians, but you are violating God's law if you do not." Jenkins notes that the history of Christianity is strewn with herem. During the Crusades in the Middle Ages, the Catholic popes declared the Muslims Amalekites. In the great religious wars in the 16th, 17th and 19th centuries, Protestants and Catholics each believed the other side were the Amalekites and should be utterly destroyed. [/b] |
| Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by YakubuA: 12:53am On Aug 07, 2015 |
[quote author=BERNIMOORE post=36682079]. who decides what constitutes proofs? Of course Islam. Or do you expect Christianity to explain the verse in the Quran? Gbam! this is where the problem lies! The Boko Haram Al Shabbab etc Does not believe in stories that are 'Afterthought' like the one i strike through below because they are not found or contained in the quaran This expose your total ignorance about Islam. Here we are: In Islam there four sources of Sharia (The criteria that guide muslims life as well as the Islamic State) 1. The Quran: This is the speech of the legislator (Allah) revealed to His messenger Muhammad. Apart from the Creator no word from anyone not even the messenger is included in the Quran. 2. The Sunnah: This explain what is in the Quran, how to practice all the commands in the Quran. Explain the verses that are general or specific, the circumstances of there revelation etc. 3. Concensus of the companions: The Quran describe them (the companions) as the best generation of mankind. Our beloved Messenger confirmed to us that his companions cannot collectively go wrong. 4. Analogy: This require understanding of reality as well as the relevant verses or hadith before extracting law. So you can see from the above that the understanding of the meaning of the Quran is always obtained from the hadith. [s]So based on that this verse was referring to the tribes that reside in Medina who had a treaty with the Muslims but later violated the treaty and joined forces with the pagans of Quraish, from Mecca, who came to exterminate the Muslims during the battle of the confederates. After the incident Allah grant the Muslims permission to fight these tribe for their evil plots and evil alliances not because of their believe. This is in the seerah which is part of the Sunnah and a legitimate source. unlike my own defence that jesus was not only sent to the isreal but also to the non isrealites all my defence were not only found in the bible or book of mathew but also the chapter 15 itself which you posted as your proof; There is nowhere in the bible or even outside the bible where Jesus said he was sent as a messenger to the entire mankind. This simple unambiguous statement cannot be seen anywhere in or even outside the bible. Rather what he said was he was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. This is a very simple and direct statement and notice the word only to emphasize the statement. So all your claims are baseless because they are based on your own assumptions not on what God or Jesus said. Even Jesus will deny you on the day of resurrection for putting your word in to his mouth. Just because the woman requested for help does not mean that Jesus was sent to the whole world. If indeed he was why did he not say so? Please stop this your assumptions and guessing it can lead you to hellfire. |
| Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by limamintruth: 8:25pm On Aug 07, 2015 |
YakubuA: Yea, and we saw how Jesus Christ did mastermind the killings of unbelievers during His time like your paedophilic self-acclaimed prophet right? {The good thing is that nowhere in the Biblical verses quoted by you above did God enjoined His followers to kill 'unbelievers'. You are neither an amalekite nor a moabite, so I dont see how those verses affect you in anyway. }I'd advise you enrich your dumb brain by studying about the peaceful life of Christ Jesus as recorded in the Holy Bible:- Luke 6:27 - "But I say to you who hear, LOVE YOUR ENEMIES, do good to those who hate you." [Here, Jesus Christ instructs us to love even our enemies and those who hate us; instead of smiting/breaking/decapitating the necks of our enemies like your evil qu.ran instructs you guys  ]Exodus 23:5 - If you see the donkey of one who HATES you lying down under its burden, you shall refrain from leaving him with it; you shall RESCUE it with him. [The above verse is a good example of how the injunctions of a TRUE religion of peace should be; and not the usual barbaric injunctions of your islam to 'slaughter' unbelievers just because they are not muslims] Mark 11:25 - And whenever you stand praying, forgive, if you have anything against anyone; So that your Father also who is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses." [Here, the Bible requires of us believers to forgive those who hurt/offend us; rather than retaliate the wrong done against us as your qu.ran directs you muslims to do. Hence, one can easily spot which religion is actually&genuinely of peace ]Unfortunately, the following are exactly what your qur.an preaches (no wonder we have several islamic terror groups at present): Quran 8.12: " (Remember) when your Lord inspired the angel (with the message, "Verily I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, SO STRIKE THEM OVER THE NECKS, AND SMITE OVER ALL THEIR FINGERS AND TOES" [Note that there are even more than 70 verses of beheading(smiting necks) in the Quran. And this is exactly what Islamists like Isis, Boko-haram e.t.c are doing presently, in compliance with the above quranic evil verse. ........ And if you doubt me, see below: Held down by three jihadis and beheaded: Shocking new video shows depraved Boko Haram decapitate a POLICEMAN in Nigeria http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3184707/Held-three-jihadis-beheaded-Shocking-new-video-shows-depraved-Boko-Haram-decapitate-POLICEMAN-Nigeria.html {smh} Quran-8:67: " IT IS NOT FOR A PROPHET THAT HE SHOULD HAVE PRISONERS OF WAR (and free them with ransom), UNTIL HE HAD MADE A GREAT SLAUGHTER (AMONG HIS ENEMIES) in the land. You desire the good of this world (i.e the money of ransom for freeing captives), but Allah desire (for you) the Hereafter. And Allah is All-mighty, All-wise. " [Here, your so-called 'peace-loving & merciful' a.llah is insisting the prophet should kill captured prisoners, and should not keep any surrendered prisoners alive until He (Prophet) has occupied the entire Arabia. No wonder the likes of Isis et al also prefer to 'slaughter' their captured prisoners, rather than keep them alive; so much for the so-called religion of piss]. ....... If you doubt me again, see below: Islamic State murders 30 Ethiopian Christians in Libya http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/11548360/Islamic-State-murders-30-Ethiopian-Christians-in-Libya.html {evil of islam at its peak; smh} Quran 9:29 Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth(i.e islam) among the people of the Scripture(Jews and Christians) until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission and feel themselves subdued. Quran 2:244 And fight in the way of Allah and know that Allah is All-hearer, All-knower. [These two quranic verses above are widely accepted by renowned muslims around the world as what your Jihad really stands for]. However if you chose to doubt again, see below: "Our conflict is not an Israeli-Arab conflict. Our struggle is not for a Palestinian state. We are seeking the world. We are seeking the whole world. We are seeking a confrontation against all Crusaders, against all Christians, against all infidels until they adopt the Islamic religion, until they follow the Sharia of Allah. We are not interested in Palestine. We are not interested in Tel Aviv or in Ashkelon. What is important for us is to see Islam ruling the world. This is the religion of God and we are fighting to see Islam rule the world." Abu Al-Ayna al-Ansari, Notable Leader of the Salafi group in Gaza Strip that is allied with Islamic State ideology. “My motivation is a sense of duty toward my religious faith to fight against any hostile enemy of Islam.” Abu Deraa, Famous Shiite terrorist known for drilling into captives' heads. "I am one of the servants of Allah. We do our duty of fighting for the sake of the religion of Allah. It is also our duty to send a call to all the people of the world to enjoy this great light and to embrace Islam and experience the happiness in Islam. Our primary mission is nothing but the furthering of this religion." Osama bin Laden, May 1998 (Al'qaeda) So who is decieving who now @yakubuliar?  |
| Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by YakubuA: 1:23am On Aug 09, 2015 |
limamintruth Oh Limamin Falsehood. Oh Caller to the gate of hellfire. I can see that you are really confused. I quoted for you what is in your bible while in response you are quoting some people. I actually expect you to deny that those verses are not in the bible but you could not because you know they are all there no lies. On the comparison between Quran and bible it was Prof. Jenkins who came up with the conclusions after he conducted his research objectively on both the Quran and the bible where he came to the conclusion that all the verses in the Quran were reasonable and acceptable but not the verses in the bible. I am sure you are not as educated as Prof. Jenkins so whatever you try to bring up here Prof. Jenkins has come across it during the course of his research yet he arrive at his conclusions based on all the facts he discovered. So why don't you accept the truth instead of trying to twist it? Anyway whatever you say or do will not change God's decision you will only add to your frustrations and you shall be disappointed both in this life and hereafter for God's plan must surely be executed. Let us wait and see... |
| Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by limamintruth: 12:33pm On Aug 09, 2015 |
YakubuA: I'm afraid your post still makes NO SENSE as usual. I quoted to you relevant quranic verses and famous quotes by notable Islamists that clearly encourage muslims to 'behead' and 'slaughter' non-muslims cos of their faith; but you woefully failed to disprove these evil verses of your quran. So @yakubuliar the hell-keeper, we non-muslims are all aware of the truth about of your quran as a purely EVIL BOOK of terror, violence, strife and hate. Q.E.D! Quran is simply a book that encourages: - Intolerance [e.g Quran 9:29 "Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the last day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and his messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth(i.e islam) among the people of the scripture(Jews and Christians) until they pay Jizyah with willing submission and feel themselves subdued. ] - Paedophilia[e.g Quran 65:4 "..and for those(divorced women) who have no courses/menses(i.e they are still 'immature'), their iddah is three months likewise....; Hadith also confirms Aisha(ra) as Muhammad's child bride] - Slavery & promiscuity with female slaves[e.g Quran 23:1,5&6 ~ v.1 Successful indeed are the believers. v.5 (And) those who guard their chastity(i.e private parts from illegal sexual acts), v.6 except for their wives or the captives and slaves that their right hand possess, for then, they are free from blame.]; & many other repugnant vices. Hence, the quran &/or its inventor(Muhammad) should be blamed for all the atrocities/terrorism being committed by muslims worldwide; and not the 'innocent' Islamists adhering to the satanic verses therein, cos they are only victims of an evil Ideology, thats all. I know that my post may sound harsh, but unfortunately that is undiluted truth with its usual bitter taste for the guilty. So blame Muhammad for causing all these for you guys; not me dude! More Excerpts on evil islam from a prominent islamic scholar :In his book, "You Ask and Islam Answers", Dr. 'Abdul-Latif Mushtahari, the general supervisor and director of homiletics and guidance at the Azhar University(Egypt), says (pp. 51,52), "Islam does not prohibit slavery but retains it for two reasons. The first reason is war (whether it is a civil war or a foreign war in which the captive is either killed or enslaved) provided that the war is not between Muslims against each other - it is not acceptable to enslave the violators, or the offenders, if they are Muslims. Only non-Muslim captives may be enslaved or killed. The second reason is the sexual propagation of slaves which would generate more slaves for their owner." (The above text plainly verifies that islam permits the killing and enslavement of only non-muslims) prisoners of war. Smh And unfortunately, the ancient scholars are unanimously in agreement over this issue, such as Ibn Timiyya, Ibn Hisham, Malik etc. Ibn Timiyya says (Vol. 32, p. 89), "The root of the beginning of slavery is prisoners of war; the bounties have become lawful to the nation of Muhammad." In Part 4, p. 177 of the "Prophet Biography" (Al-Road Al-Anf'), Ibn Hisham says, "According to Islamic law concerning prisoners of war, the decision is left to the Muslim Imam. He has the choice either to kill them or to exchange them for Muslim captives, or to enslave them." So tell me yakubuliar, arent these above quotes & verses expository enough for you to realise that islam is all about violence, hate for infidels, retaliation, slavery, promiscuity e.t.c, rather than the message of love and peace like beloved Christianity? We daily see how thousands of muslims seek succour in several christian dominated countries around the world, but same cannot be said of christians seeking succour in muslim countries. You know why? Simply cos christian dominated countries are more tolerant of unbelievers/non-christians, while muslim countries are generally hostile and discriminatory against non-muslims. Therefore, my advise to you is that you shun the evil called islam/quran/Muhammad and embrace the true religion of peace in Christ Jesus; cos that is the only way to make heaven. How can you accept a religion that enjoin you to hate other humans like you simply because they are not of same faith/belief as you  Why would a reasonable human being agree to serve one god that instructs his followers to kill on his behalf Only a powerless god will do such in my opinion. Well, shalom to you , [As I leave you to ponder on the following]:“Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those who say this are witless. Islam says: 'Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Kill them, put them to the sword and scatter their armies'.... "Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to paradise, which can be opened only for holy warriors! "There are hundreds of other [Koranic] psalms and hadiths urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.'” [ Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran] |
| Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by YakubuA: 10:41am On Aug 11, 2015 |
limamintruth limamin falsehood you are actually the one that is not making any sense. I quoted verses of the bible for you which you could not deny but you still keep drifting away. I tried to explain to you all the verses of the Quran you quoted but all fell in deaf ears. Simply because you have decided not to listen to any reasonable explanations. Instead of you to concentrate on the main issue you kept throwing abuses left right and center not minding the fact that you shall account, before God, all your utterances and actions Anyway you sound to be so sure that your Christianity is the only way to attain salvation and I am absolutely certain 100% that Islam is the only way to attain salvation for it is the religion that God enjoined on whole of mankind. Furthermore I am 100% sure you (as a Christian) are on the wrong way and you probably think same of me. Please I want you to read below and say Amen. May God curse anyone between me and you who is not on the true religion of God as ordained by Him. Between me and you whoever is not on the right believe, as ordained by God, may he not see the end of this year. Amen. |
| Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by limamintruth: 11:05am On Aug 11, 2015 |
Noted! YakubuA: |
| Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by limamintruth: 11:32am On Aug 11, 2015 |
The real islam pictured through the eyes of prominent muslims YakubuA: |
| Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by YakubuA: 3:49pm On Aug 11, 2015 |
limamintruth: limamin falsehood your faith in your believe is not even strong enough to take this simple test If you are not a liar read below and say Amen. [size=16pt]May God curse anyone between me and you who is not on the true religion of God as ordained by Him. Between me and you whoever is not on the right believe, as ordained by God, may he not see the end of this year. Amen.[/size] |
| Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by YakubuA: 3:55pm On Aug 11, 2015 |
limamintruth: [size=16pt]Continue deluding yourself in your falsehood. It is really a shame on you that you cannot even be sure of your believe in Christianity. If you truly believe Christianity as the truth and only way to attain salvation then take the acid test: Read below and say Amen or what are you scared of limamin falsehood? [/size] [size=16pt]May God curse anyone between me and you who is not on the true religion of God as ordained by Him. Between me and you whoever is not on the right believe, as ordained by God, may he not see the end of this year. Amen.[/size] |
| Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by limamintruth: 4:54pm On Aug 11, 2015 |
YakubuA: YakubuA: |
| Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by YakubuA: 1:11am On Aug 13, 2015 |
limamintruth: [size=16pt]limamin falsehood now limamin liars you cannot take acid test because you know your religion is falsehood and full of deceit. In fact you associate partner with God by making a mortal man to be God. The truth is that you are already cursed whether you utter the acid test or not. Your belief and religion are false, when you speak you speak lies and abuse people furthermore you try to deceive other people all these are characteristics of those who are cursed by God and the inhabitants of hellfire. Continue in your chosen way of deluding yourself in your falsehood you are only deceiving yourself you cannot change anything on God's plan. If you continue this way you shall surely be frustrated in this world and in the hereafter hellfire shall be your abode. That is the ultimate end of all evil. [/size] |
| Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by limamintruth: 11:24am On Aug 13, 2015 |
YakubuA: |
| Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by YakubuA: 5:16pm On Aug 14, 2015 |
[quote author=limamintruth post=36911045][/quote] [size=16pt]limamin falsehood can you see your life? Even on this forum you are showing your deceit and falsehood. My response is very clear but because you are liar and deceitful person you start to put your word into my mouth and even quoting it as if it came from me. Anyway I am not surprise with your attitude. What else do you expect from one who deny his creator and only believe in man as his god? Why don't you take the acid test if you are truthful?[/size] [size=16pt]You cannot take acid test because you know your religion is falsehood and full of deceit. In fact you associate partner with God by making a mortal man to be God. The truth is that you are already cursed whether you utter the acid test or not. Your belief and religion are false, when you speak you speak lies and abuse people furthermore you try to deceive other people all these are characteristics of those who are cursed by God and the inhabitants of hellfire. Continue in your chosen way of deluding yourself in your falsehood you are only deceiving yourself you cannot change anything on God's plan. If you continue this way you shall surely be frustrated in this world and in the hereafter hellfire shall be your abode. That is the ultimate end of all evil. [/size] |
| Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by limamintruth: 8:40pm On Aug 14, 2015 |
YakubuA: |
| Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by YakubuA: 12:02am On Aug 16, 2015 |
[size=16pt]limamintruth[/size] limamin liars why don't you go and read Professor Jenkins books. The man took his time to do extensive research to come to his conclusion. He is certainly more knowledgeable than you in this issue. This is what he said and read further to see some of the relevant verses [size=16pt] [b]Defense Vs. Total Annihilation "Much to my surprise, the Islamic scriptures in the Quran were actually far less bloody and less violent than those in the Bible," Jenkins says. Jenkins is a professor at Penn State University and author of two books dealing with the issue: the recently published Jesus Wars, and Dark Passages , which has not been published but is already drawing controversy. Much to my surprise, the Islamic scriptures in the Quran were actually far less bloody and less violent than those in the Bible. Philip Jenkins, author of 'Jesus Wars' Violence in the Quran, he and others say, is largely a defense against attack. "By the standards of the time, which is the 7th century A.D., the laws of war that are laid down by the Quran are actually reasonably humane," he says. "Then we turn to the Bible, and we actually find something that is for many people a real surprise. There is a specific kind of warfare laid down in the Bible which we can only call genocide." It is called herem, and it means total annihilation. Consider the Book of 1 Samuel, when God instructs King Saul to attack the Amalekites: "And utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them," God says through the prophet Samuel. "But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey." When Saul failed to do that, God took away his kingdom. "In other words," Jenkins says, "Saul has committed a dreadful sin by failing to complete genocide. And that passage echoes through Christian history. It is often used, for example, in American stories of the confrontation with Indians — not just is it legitimate to kill Indians, but you are violating God's law if you do not." Jenkins notes that the history of Christianity is strewn with herem. During the Crusades in the Middle Ages, the Catholic popes declared the Muslims Amalekites. In the great religious wars in the 16th, 17th and 19th centuries, Protestants and Catholics each believed the other side were the Amalekites and should be utterly destroyed.[/b][/size] and the bible says...... [b][size=16pt] 1. Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the [holy man] who represents God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged. Deuteronomy17:12 2. I will fill your mountains with the dead. Your hills, your valleys, and your streams will be filled with people slaughtered by the sword. I will make you desolate forever. Your cities will never be rebuilt. Then you will know that I am God. Ezekiel 35:7-9 3. Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother-in-law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. Matthew 10:34-35 4. Make ready to slaughter [the infidel’s] sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. Isaiah 14:21 5. Then I heard God say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children.” Ezekiel 9:5 6. Keep [my holiday], for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die. Exodus 31:12-15 7. If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. Leviticus 20:10 8. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Numbers 31: 17-18 9. A [holy man’s] daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. Leviticus 21:9 10. Everyone who would not seek God was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. 2 Chronicles 15:12-13 11. But if [a girl wasn't a virgin on her wedding night] and evidence of the girl's virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her father’s house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against God’s people by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. Deuteronomy 22:20-21 12. If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. Deuteronomy 13:7-12 13. Cursed be he who does God’s work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. Jeremiah 48:10 14. Anyone who blasphemes God’s name must be stoned to death by the whole community of [believers]. Leviticus 24:16 15. Anyone else who goes too near the [Holy Place] will be executed. Numbers 1: 51[/b][/size] and Jesus said...... [size=16pt] Mathew 5 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.[/size] [size=16pt]But limamintruth is not only a liar he is also a hypocrite as either he does not believe in any of the verses above or he has his own interpretations of the verses. You shall see our victory and we shall see your downfall[/size] |
| Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by limamintruth: 2:15pm On Aug 16, 2015 |
YakubuA: |
| Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by BERNIMOORE: 3:23pm On Aug 20, 2015 |
[size=14pt]post c*[/size] @yakubuA Do you want to be taken seriously at all? The way you shift goalpost so as to evade questions is laughable , because we need to be honest in what we teach others including our youths who are the future, lets see how you 'shift your goalpost and evade a simple question' when confronted with a proofyou had earlier challenged me to produce a proof in quaran alone (not in hadith or analogy or further 'aftherthought' references) that specifically authorise an attack on non muslim because he/she is a disbeliever, here it is; YakubuA: i responded promptly below; BERNIMOORE: you replied thus; YakubuA: Now, having confesed in your statement that a part of quaran actually authorises attack on non muslims.but in order to cover up the 'crime contained in the quaran to non believers' you commited another blunder by saying that ''words found in the quaran are not evidence of proofs''..in your own words in quote above you said; ...''Yes it is part of the Quran but it is not a proof...yakubuA The implication of what you are telling us now that; # verses in quaran are not a proof,does not constitute an evidence of proof, but yet 'its believers swear in the court room (General circular court and not lower sharia court) by the quaran alone which is the only book admitted in parallel with bible book only as an evidence' in deciding 'a fair hearing' between its believers in an event of fairness to both or equal party so who are you fooling? can you be sincere for once to answer that? having realise your blunder about the quaran you are trying to change the topic further to include hadith that came several years after quaran to moderate blah blah blah please save me the topic diversion below; because you have accepted that quaran alone has 'failed its believers to be used or regarded as an evidence of proof' in Quran 9:123 Sahih International O you who have believed, fight those adjacent to you of the disbelievers and let them find in you harshnes YakubuA: your next post should consider the boudaries below c1*
you know that there are books that explains the sacret scripture called the bible, i am not interested in those books and will not include that here i will deal with only the; 66 books that constitute the sacred scripture a.k.a bible and so you are to limit your reference only to the quaran as a lone book of 114 Surah in the Quran containg 6616 verses (Ibn-i Abbas (ra) (your preffered)acceptable by a law court to an individual belief |
| Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by Rexyl(m): 8:07pm On Aug 21, 2015 |
YakubuA: No wonder that it will only take the grace of God to end terrorism in the world. You further revealed beyond doubt that violence is body language of what you believe and practice. Who are those claiming to be believers willing to fight and destroy souls (unbelievers) God wants to save? |
| Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by BERNIMOORE: 3:07pm On Aug 23, 2015 |
Rexyl:i tell you! quran in literal terms according to our yakubuA is a time bomb that needs expatriates or scholars to diffuse, expecially Quaran 9:123 Sahih International O you who have believed, fight those adjacent to you of the disbelievers and let them find in you harshness. And know that Allah is with the righteous. |
| Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by ZITRAN: 2:50pm On Oct 08, 2015 |
bonechamberlain:and the Muslims and Jews slaughtered in Jerusalem during the third Crusades dont count.Or do you still believe your non violent |
| Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by ZITRAN: 2:58pm On Oct 08, 2015 |
idbami2:it seems u need to read about Rashid ad-Din Sinan |
| Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by bonechamberlain(m): 4:37pm On Oct 08, 2015 |
ZITRAN:na wa o .. since when. this topic. hmm |
| Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by saintkel(m): 6:47am On Oct 14, 2015 |
kelsgal:Hello |
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