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Re: Question: Talking Snake by Nobody: 6:34am On Aug 09, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff: Wrong logic! Are you seriously quoting from the same book am questioning it author(s)? I could have asked how certain are you about the authenticity of the claims made Moses, but you have categorically proved to me that you don't respect logic. What again, is the point of this non-sequitur? Abeggy, park it.Read the point above! Am I missing something. Have we got serpents running around still or lately you can point out to? I didn't think so either Stop confusing yourself with English! A serpent is a snake! You can check your dictionary to confirm that or you can simply read the same verses you replied me with earlier. Nothing demoted nothing! Why do reason illogicaly? How would a snake crawling on the floor make it go extinct? Have you seen a snail before? In fact, most reptiles crawl (elementary biology!). I would still ask you: where is your evidence of a talking snake? I am content and so I am not looking and/or wasnt looking to find something not lostStop being delusional! This way of reasoning is unhealthy. Next you'll be asking about the fossils of the speaking donkey that talked back to Balaam, to show a donkey could or couldnt make a speech You just reminded me how interesting your story book is. To be frank, I loved bible study when I was a kid! It was like Tales by Moonlight, which was/is aired on NTA network service. Our tutor then, who was a lady, with her sweet voice always made my Sundays fun. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Question: Talking Snake by MuttleyLaff: 1:07pm On Aug 09, 2015 |
menesheh:For the umpteenth time, the snake never at any time talked, as it came about in the ''post-'' (i.e. snake didnt exist or never existed in the the ''pre-'') Snake is an aftermath of a serpent ''makeover'' Get your fact right and stop sensationalising the title The title misleads the readership, gives a false impression that snake ever talked Is it that hard opening a thread to present your question and/or information on the serpent without resorting to a sensational & pimped up title, huh? menesheh: The above, which is Danxia Landform, in Zhangye, China, is a rainbow colored mountains, it, just like nature, you, I, etcetera were created by YHMH Nature is not made or caused by humankind, it is created by YHMH. YHMH made nature, nature is part of YHMH's creation. YHMH is the Architect of nature. YHMH is behind nature, as its Him who made the rules that governs nature and/or all the natural phenomena out there. Do you get the drift now? Nature is natural, whereas YHMH is super-natural. You are out of your depth, I keep telling you, my friend. Please throw in the towel, and it's plain and obvious, you're punching above your weight here menesheh: You're joking, right? Did this poor attempt of yours, comparing YHMH with Santa Klaus dribble off your fingers? That landform above, who will you put your money on is behind it? Santa or YHMH? Sorry, Santa and YHMH arent in the same category or same league menesheh: The picture above is one of a Rainbow Eucalyptus tree. At first glance, it looks like an act of vandalism or hooliganism going on in here, as if somebody has literally splashed a lot of colorful painting over the tree, but this is not the case with thetree, because actually as the bark sheds, the tree changes colors presenting this interestingly picturesque natural phenomenon You see how you err? You're wide of the mark on this my friend. You know what happens, when the Bible isnt brush up? Truth ache and then truth decay? To brush up things, look up Romans 1:20 Romans 1:20 For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God. menesheh:Go back and slowly but loudly read all the above menesheh:Dont bother waiting, my friend. You're averse to truth 1 Like |
Re: Question: Talking Snake by MuttleyLaff: 1:08pm On Aug 09, 2015 |
theAtheist101:What precisely is wrong in the logic theAtheist101:Yes, I am seriously quoting from the same book you seemingly are questioning its author(s) Have you got an alternative book(s) you'll prefer I quote from? theAtheist101:I respect logic, I admire logic, I am a fan of logic, which all is why I frequently use deductive reasoning or logical deduction and it hasn't and/or doesnt deter me believing the testimony of Moses The truth here, is you and menesheh are larking about, you both think you're testing the water with just feet only dipped in but what you both aren't realising, is that, you're swimming towards the deep end, if not already in it. You've also proven you're whippersnapper which is why and how Exodus 33:23 went straight and totally over your head theAtheist101:SMH + facepalm Do I really have to break down the difference(s) between the serpent and snake? Do I have to explain and show the bare facts and basics? Dont you know that what tricked Eve wasnt a snake but it was serpent (i.e. it was nachash, an upright talking bright shinning creature) Apart from GOD'S WORD® Translation, show us any other Bible translations, from the many out there, which in Gen 3:1 etcetera use snake for serpent. theAtheist101:Again SMH + facepalm If from being at the top of the Animal Kingdom chart, to being at the bottom is not demotion, then I dont know what that is called If from being upright, to crawling on the belly, or if from having arms and legs, to having them ''cut off'' is not demotion, then I dont know what that is called If nachash (i.e. serpent that talked) got transformed (i.e. ''madeover'') into a snake which couldnt talk or ever talked, then what demotion means, needs to be re-defined theAtheist101:I dont know what irrational fear you harbor but this is no illogical reasoning theAtheist101:Who said snakes are extinct or have gone into extinction? theAtheist101: Serpent has never been part of any scientific study and this is because serpent is not an animal/creature to study in zoology Have you ever researched the classification of animal before? Have studied a reptile and/or animal kingdom chart before? Until now have you ever looked at a picture of a ''Tree of Life'' before? Apart from not seeing fantasy creatures or animals such as unicorns, mermaids, ''iwin'', dragons, gremlins, etcetera do you see serpent in any reptile and/or animal kingdom chart similar to this at all? Why? It's a no-brainer, its simply because the moment the serpent got transformed into a snake, it stopped existing anymore as serpent theAtheist101:I dont know anything about a talking ''snake'' and neither know anything about Adam & Eve eating a forbidden ''apple'' I think you're catching the drift (i.e. serpent is not snake just as the fruit isn't an apple) theAtheist101:I am not being delusional, you asked if I've found the fossil so what is unhealthy in admitting that I am not looking for fossils, am not looking for something not lost I take it you impressively and definitely arent among the looking for ''missing link'' bandwagon then theAtheist101:It's not my book, it is not my manual, nevertheless, I totally agree with you that, it is an interesting book theAtheist101:What stole your love of the book and/or robbed you of the love of bible study, now that you're grown? 1 Like |
Re: Question: Talking Snake by Brown47: 1:34pm On Aug 09, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff: you just said the snake was clever than all animals which the lord has made, but wait! was it not satan who came in the form of a serpent |
Re: Question: Talking Snake by Brown47: 1:34pm On Aug 09, 2015 |
only a snake mess up: but all others which are innocent take part in the punishment. What type of God is this? |
Re: Question: Talking Snake by MuttleyLaff: 1:50pm On Aug 09, 2015 |
Brown47:Good catch, well spotted but that's me inadvertently using GOD'S WORD® Translation there. - it is the only translation, out of the many out there, that uses snake for serpent Brown47:No, not not satan in the form of a serpent. As I give a brief explanation, I hope it wont go over heads Any thing that wants to legally operate on earth needs a body The demons needed a body, so in Matthew 8:31 or Mark 5:12 begged Jesus for a body, after which upon entering the herd of pigs in Luke 8:33, the pigs couldnt withstand the demons, not even for a moment but a human being previously had them for so long, anyway they rushed into a lake and drowned themselves Now exactly what happened to Judas in Luke 22:3 and John 13:27 is what happened to the serpent. - same modus operadi, a body is needed to legally operate on earth All spirits comply with this rule, even God isnt an exception to this, He too needed a body which is why He approached Mary for her consent Must say, some spirits do forcibly or illegally occupy bodies Luke 22:3 - Then Satan entered Judas, called Iscariot, one of the Twelve. John 13:27 - As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered into him. 1 Like |
Re: Question: Talking Snake by MuttleyLaff: 2:01pm On Aug 09, 2015 |
Brown47:No, all are guilty besides the serpent could have done what the herd of pigs did Brown47:Not one absolved themselves of any wrongdoing Chief -it's only you saying they are innocent Brown47:A Just, Firm, Fair and Good God 1 Like |
Re: Question: Talking Snake by Brown47: 2:14pm On Aug 09, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff: I think you still didnt understand what i was trying to point out. What i was saying is that animals(serpent) dont have thought and conscince of their own to even reach the far end of decieving a human. Was it not satan who maybe transformed or entered into the serpent so as to aproach Eve. That means the serpent is no clever but satan who is in it. That means its not the serpent who decieve Eve but satan was the one. And still ask your self then, if its satan who decived Eve why did God punished the serpent. |
Re: Question: Talking Snake by MuttleyLaff: 2:28pm On Aug 09, 2015 |
Brown47:Trust me I fully understood you, if not I would have asked you to elaborate or clarify Brown47:This is the point Chief, this was no average animal. The serpent wasn't an ordinary, common or run-of-the-mill animal Brown47:You're correct, and this is why I brought out the herd of pigs, Judas and Mary. Peter too if not for Jesus' prayer would have buckled as satan had him in mind to enter Brown47:The serpent was cleverer than all the other animals. A good candidate for satan's selection to use to deceive Eve Brown47:The serpent allowed itself to be used as an instrument of deception as previously mentioned it could have done the same action the herd of pigs did or go the the same way the herd of pigs went Remember Adam blamed Eve, and Eve blamed the serpent, which literally left the serpent with no feet to stand on |
Re: Question: Talking Snake by Brown47: 2:31pm On Aug 09, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff: No, all are guilty how would they be be guilty when it was satan that use their form to appear. Besides was it not only one snake that decieved Eve? Not one absolved themselves of any wrongdoing Chief then what crime do the rest(snakes) commit? only one snake mess up he punished every snake. Eve sinned he punished every human. How are you sure your not going to rut in your imaginary hell for the sins of others. Since your god of found of punishing all for the wrong of only one individual. |
Re: Question: Talking Snake by MuttleyLaff: 2:45pm On Aug 09, 2015 |
Brown47:No one serpent messed, which got transformed into a snake Brown47:Cause and effect is not punishment Chief Things like this, happens in virtually all spheres of our daily life. For example, have your word document template corrupt, until this normal.dot file is fixed, it will affect all future word documents you create. It's nothing personal, not punishment, that is just the coding, the rule as it were It is the same with Eve, who along with Adam were the human beings' template Brown47:He is a Just and Good God so NO cause for alarm of rotting somewhere for the sins of others Brown47:This has been addressed above Chief, besides God is Love and not a masochist |
Re: Question: Talking Snake by Nobody: 3:33pm On Aug 09, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff I respect logic, I admire logic, I am a fan of logic, which all is why I frequently use deductive reasoning or logical deduction and it hasn't and/or doesnt deter me believing the testimony of Moses Really? Is this your post logical to you? Making claims you can not substantiate. Which type of education did you get? Give a direct answer and stop beating around the bush, how did Moses know of the events that happened long before he was born? Do I really have to break down the difference(s) between the serpent and snake? Then do, for satan sake! You started rambling and ended without answering the question. You see again wrong logic! At the rate you are going, you would write your own bible and a dictionary. What is the dictionary definition of a serpent? And do respond with a direct answer instead of rambling. Again SMH + facepalm Prove this demotion or shut up!
As in you're boring me! I thought winner01 was the worst until you. This guy, "where you see your own serpent" (maybe you would understand the pidgin English instead)? You can't just claim an animal stopped existing without showing its fossils. Your serpent is in the same class as unicorns and dragons -- just fantasies! So, again I ask prove that your serpent once existed. I dont know anything about a talking ''snake'' and neither know anything about Adam & Eve eating a forbidden ''apple'' Which nonsense drift? Am interchanging the words because they mean the same thing.
I feel pity for the educational systems that molded your minded. Make claims you can not substantiate is a crime against logic. What stole your love of the book Common sense! |
Re: Question: Talking Snake by MuttleyLaff: 11:48pm On Aug 09, 2015 |
theAtheist101:Yes, really. As logical as logical can be. Moses' testimony is evidence enough, take it or leave it theAtheist101:Variety of quantitative and qualitative theAtheist101:Without beating about the bush, you previously was given a direct answer, when I mentioned that, the answer is in Exodus 33 and particularly at Exodus 33:23 I think it was 2 or 3 lines answer. How much more direct can that be? There is no shame in admitting you couldnt get your head round the meaning of ''you'll see my back'', ''my face must not be seen'' and ''Please, let me see Your glory'' ''Please, let me see Your glory'' by the way, incidentally was the original request made by Moses, which lead to the God ''back'' and ''face'' concession. theAtheist101:Am beginning to suspect, you never, as advised, read Exodus 33:8-23, pay attention to Exodus 33:17-23 and watch out for the clincher at Exodus 33:23? Exodus 33:23 Then I will take my hand away, and you'll see my back, but my face must not be seen." theAtheist101:Compose yourself, take it easy my friend theAtheist101:Most people enjoy finding out things by themselves, but certain others just prefer to be spoon-fed theAtheist101:I dont give a foxtrot uniform charlie kilo over what the dictionary definition of a serpent is, as from a biblical viewpoint, a serpent became a snake and this isnt vice versa By the way, here is a simple and good serpent or snake litmus test. When next you find the creature slithering in your balcony at night, shout out Serpent! Serpent!! No one is going to correct you or teach you to shout it by its actual name (i.e. which is snake, snake) for the calvary to come running to help or for immediate and express aid to turn up theAtheist101:Done in the above response theAtheist101:Extra! Extra! Read all about it! It's all in Genesis 3:14 Genesis 3:14 The LORD God told the Shining One, "Because you have done this, you are more cursed than all the livestock, and more than all the earth's animals, You'll crawl on your belly and eat dust as long as you live. theAtheist101:Logic and common sense, both know that, whatever the serpent was, it isn't around anymore, so quit mouthing off and stop asking me to go on a wild goose chase, going on about fossils and all, to prove that the serpent once existed theAtheist101:Suit yourself theAtheist101:Save your breath, I don’t care what you feel pity for. Save it for yourself, ideally for your wretched soul. theAtheist101:Bravo! |
Re: Question: Talking Snake by winner01(m): 7:43am On Aug 10, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff:Bravo Mr MuttleyLaff, Great responses i must say, you've made them ponder on the affirmative and also ticked their conscience...and as usual, they either run or loose their composure.. common sense they say, is not common. Very great, Mr MuttleyLaff. |
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