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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 2:27pm On Aug 11, 2015 |
SIRcumalot: What do you mean by when we put them in a vacuum? Who is a better player between John terry and Gerrard when we put them in a vacuum How do you know Busquets excel in only one system? Does Messi, iniesta, Xavi all excel in only one system? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Debroslink: 2:28pm On Aug 11, 2015 |
Nihilist: Is Busquets the best DM? Yes, he is. Is Yaya the best box to box player? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 2:30pm On Aug 11, 2015 |
raumdeuter: First act responsibly by apologizing for telling lie that dejong was bought because yaya toure could nt play DM. For once accept you are a crook. You were not following these players that's why you give ridiculous opinions too. You can read responses of sensible people in graphics below. Meanwhile everyone knows yaya is not playing dm again at man city, that's not my argument. My argument with you was that Sergio busquet was not better than yaya toure in 2009/2010 when yaya was a DM and pushed out. It's as simple as that. He was booted out because of nepotism and I gave video evidence of his performances. Also LFB rated yaya above your busquets that same year. I hope you can understand now and stop shouting busquet was better .
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 2:32pm On Aug 11, 2015 |
Nihilist: As a DM Busquets in top 2 in the World As a Box to Box Yaya is not top 3 anywhere I would never include yaya in my team. he is one of the reason City sucks in Europe he lacks positional intelligence and depends on physical attributes a lot which is why he gets molested by any decent CM in Europe In the CL for the past 5 seasons we are still waiting for yaya to show up Let us see him do it outside Barca/Spain, playing for a team doesn't average 70% ball possession per season, and actually has to defend for once...before we label him the Jesus Christ of DM jare. This is a silly opinion have you seen messi, Xavi Iniesta do it outside barca/Spain Have you seen lahm, Muller, Schweini Do it outside Germany/Bayern? Have you seen Terry, Gerrard, lampard, Rooney do it outside England or their clubs Have you seen totti do it outside Roma/Italy 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 2:32pm On Aug 11, 2015 |
Debroslink: Based on? You might as well call Puyol/Pique/Macsherano/Abidal/Alba the best defenders in the world. Valdes was also the world best keeper. Abi what is this rubbish? Overhyping the defensive component of a team that averages 70% possession per season. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 2:36pm On Aug 11, 2015 |
Nihilist: No one has ever reffered to those as best in their position yet busquet has been referred to by many coaches and analysts as the best DM by a mile |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by footreja: 2:36pm On Aug 11, 2015 |
Though sergio busquets has improved unlike when he was playacting and no more diving but yaya was better in strenght and pace that 2009/2010. sergio was encouraged because of la masia policy. Football has evolved now, i am afraid he will turn another valdes in man utd, if busquets leave for a team not used to our tiki taka style. last year modric was best DM because he was more enterprising than sergio. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 2:37pm On Aug 11, 2015 |
raumdeuter: Except we can SEE these guys...We can SEE their exploits. We can point to their goals, their assists, their individual awards. Anybody that says they can see Busquets the same way is a liar. The TV Camera focuses on wherever the action is, and when Barca have 70% possesion, what defensive work is Busquets doing? And what camera is showing it? Abeg stop romanticizing Busquets. Put the Defensive Midfielder in a team where he actually has to Defend, before you name him king. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 2:38pm On Aug 11, 2015 |
raumdeuter: Google each name there followed by best and see what you find Negro please. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 2:39pm On Aug 11, 2015 |
raumdeuter: Has he been rated as best DM by laliga organizing body LFB? If no then you should just keep it shut. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Debroslink: 2:40pm On Aug 11, 2015 |
Nihilist: Busquets is the one that covers the azzez of Xavi and Iniesta. These are players that can't tackle or stop a counter attack. Busquets has done that times without number. Pique is not the best defender in the world, Valdes is not the best keeper either. Busquets is one of the main reasons Barcelona concede the fewest number of goals in Europe. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 2:42pm On Aug 11, 2015 |
Nihilist: Do we put an Attacking player in a team that attacks before we can call him king e.g Hazard? 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by coogar: 2:42pm On Aug 11, 2015 |
busquets is the best DM in the world for the past 5 years. where yaya toure excels is his ability to bust forward and score vital goals. busquets don't need that cos he has some of the best creators in the world alongside him. the job of a DM is to prevent goals.....scoring is an added tax for them(a secondary role). anyone who feels yaya defends better than busquets needs to go to specsavers. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 2:43pm On Aug 11, 2015 |
airmark: Mention the list of best DM by LFB since 2010 remember strictly a list of best DM |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 2:44pm On Aug 11, 2015 |
Nihilist: put 3 articles that name each of Pique/ Valdez/ Abidal as best in their position |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 2:46pm On Aug 11, 2015 |
Debroslink: You should be analyzing snake and ladder game not soccer. Have you heard the slogan " Attack is the best form of defence" before? That's what have been working for barca over the years. They have the best offensive play and retain ball more than anyone. So opponents have little chances of going all out to attack them. Please watch video below: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5EZTx1IhGY |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by chic2pimp(m): 2:46pm On Aug 11, 2015 |
Nihilist: Oya name a better Defensive Midfielder in the world atm? No one is saying(at least I know i'm not) Sergio is the better footballer. But as far as the DM position goes, Sergio is KING. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Roland17(m): 2:47pm On Aug 11, 2015 |
Nihilist: I humbly beg to disagree with the bolded, if you consider Busquests slow what verb would aptly describe Yaya's pace on the field especially when his team is hunting for possession? Between both who is faster? How do you gauge strength? By apperance I presume based on the bolded, Busquets wins tackles effortlessly, it's about intelligence and timing more than physical strength in today's football. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 2:49pm On Aug 11, 2015 |
raumdeuter: An attacker, attacks simple Busquet gets the hype because of his distribution, and performance as a deep lying playmaker, and not because he has to defend. In a 90 minute match, his team holds the ball on average for 63 whole minutes. How can the other team hurt them? Barcelona don't need a DM because they defend by possession. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 2:50pm On Aug 11, 2015 |
raumdeuter: Valdes was goalkeeper of the year in la liga 2009/2010 and 2010/2011 Pique was best defender of the year in la liga 2009/2010 Abidal was best defender of the year in laliga 2011 You know nothing about soccer . |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Roland17(m): 2:51pm On Aug 11, 2015 |
Since this is the home thread of Chealsea FC I want to ask this question Who would you rather pick to play the defensive midfield position if Yaya Toure and Matic both played for Chealsea FC? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Debroslink: 2:51pm On Aug 11, 2015 |
airmark: Story for the gods... Did you comprehend my 1st paragraph? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by SIRcumalot: 2:53pm On Aug 11, 2015 |
raumdeuter:Examine them outside of the team concept. Because barca's brand of football is suitable to a particular kind of player which Busquets his. He hasn't shown anything to suggest he'll triumph outside this system. Yaya did well with barca only got replaced by a player that better suits the system not a better overall player. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 2:55pm On Aug 11, 2015 |
Nihilist: Barca doesnt attack for 90mins, The opponent attacks them too and its the awareness of Busquets that snuffs out attacks Dont google "Busquetsbest" rather google "best Defensive midfielders" and check the results from different websites Now google best keeper is Valdes comes as a result or best left back if Abidal comes out |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Debroslink: 2:55pm On Aug 11, 2015 |
Roland17: This is what I expect a true Chelsea fan to debate about... Busquets vs Matic (they won't because they know the truth) Will Yaya bench Matic if he plays a DM position for Chelsea? 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 2:56pm On Aug 11, 2015 |
Roland17: I'm not concerned in a Yaya v Busquets comparison as they perform different duties for their clubs. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Debroslink: 2:59pm On Aug 11, 2015 |
SIRcumalot: This same trash was said of Messi prior 2013; that he can't play without the guidance of Xavi and Iniesta. Try another trick. This one is stale. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 3:01pm On Aug 11, 2015 |
SIRcumalot: A first-choice for club and country, Busquets' predominant role is to maintain his position behind Xavi Hernandez and Andres Iniesta, dispossess the opposition and pass the ball to his more creative teammates. A penchant for overreacting to fouls can infuriate the opposition, but this does not diminish his overall contribution. A product of the club’s La Masia youth academy and one of the best holding midfielders in the world, Busquets is the master of the simple pass http://worldsoccer.about.com/od/players/tp/Ten-Of-The-Best-Defensive-Midfielders-In-The-World.htm Sergio Busquets – Barcelona http://www.caughtoffside.com/2014/10/01/ten-best-defensive-midfielders-in-the-world-chelseas-nemanja-matic-no-2-after-excellent-start-to-season-possible-arsenal-free-transfer-included/10/ Those are two well known football sites and thats what they have to say |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by SIRcumalot: 3:03pm On Aug 11, 2015 |
Debroslink:http://www.bleacherreport.com/articles/1963670-comparing-barcelonas-yaya-toure-to-manchester-citys-yaya-toure That should get my point across. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 3:04pm On Aug 11, 2015 |
SIRcumalot: Can you also say the same about Iniesta, Xavi, Messi Have you seen them perform outside the Barca brand of football? Have you seen Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Muller Neuer perform outside the Bayern/Germany brand of football? Have you seen Terry,Lampard, Gerrard Rooney perform outside the England type of football? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 3:06pm On Aug 11, 2015 |
raumdeuter: Tell us when LFB gave busqit best DM in la liga. That's more authoritative and enough to make us give him standing ovation don't act like a f00l. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 3:06pm On Aug 11, 2015 |
Look at the Chart below. Now I'm not trying to say that Schneirderlin and Matic and Or Vidal are better than Busquets...though they very well might be. But look below, All 3 midfielders bested Busquets for core defensive statistics last season...WHY? Because they had to DEFEND more. Each of those 3 had to make more tackles, more interceptions, and more blocks per 90 minutes than Busquets. When we look at the totals, the picture becomes clearer. Morgan Schneiderlin played 300 minutes less than Busquets, but had to make more total tackles, interceptions, and clearances than the spaniard, because well Morgan has to DEFEND I'm sure I dont need to post any stats to show that Busquets bests those in Pass Completion Stats though. Put Busquets in a passing team, and he will shine as a passing midfielder. I have not seen anything else to suggest he is the best DEFENSIVE midfielder. emphasis on defensive. *Drops mike on Dayo's coconut head* ![]() 3 Likes 1 Share
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