sinizia:


You still haven't shown me in your write-up where either Barca or Yaya said "Yaya was sold because ...blah blah blah." He explained his roles for both clubs in those lines, he NEVER said why Barca sold him in those words.

He was taking you for a f00l, not knowing you are more brilliant than him.

Nihilist:
If the link above me is true, and Modric was voted the best Defensive Midfielder in la liga last season, then it makes my point very well for me.

That you can be rated highly as a DM based on your offensive and passing prowess, and not your actual defensive ability.

True that because even a child in the womb knows Modric defends zilch, yet he was awarded the best DEFENSIVE midfielder.

sinizia:


You still haven't shown me in your write-up where either Barca or Yaya said "Yaya was sold because ...blah blah blah." He explained his roles for both clubs in those lines, he NEVER said why Barca sold him in those words.

Barca sold him brought a rookie into his position to show he failed at his role in barca

And he stated the way Barca plays and how different it is from his own outlook to the game

A player who wants to join attack and defence as the spirit leads

chic2pimp:


World's best playmaker bawo? When have you ever seen him totally dominate a football game? His job is to protect the back four. He also recycles his team's possesion and gives it to his more talented teammates

What else do you want him to do to show that He is the numero uno as far as the DM position is concerned? Lay a Golden Egg? C'mon brah

I've just shown you that Busquets does less defensively than 3 well known DMs. If you want we can extend it to the DMs of the biggest clubs in europe last season, and I guarantee you that Sergio will be near the bottom of the pile in terms of defensive work put in.

Quite simply, he is a defensive midfielder, that doesn't really defend. He barely even does more defensively than Rakitic.

Now the hype, comes from the passing. The recycling of possession, that 92% pass completion rate that was higher that Both Rakitic's and Iniesta's last season.

That is the source of the hype my brother. 92% pass completion

A first-choice for club and country, Busquets' predominant role is to maintain his position behind Xavi Hernandez and Andres Iniesta, [size=18pt]dispossess the opposition[/size] and pass the ball to his more creative teammates. A penchant for overreacting to fouls can infuriate the opposition, but this does not diminish his overall contribution. A product of the club’s La Masia youth academy and one of the best holding midfielders in the world, Busquets is the master of the simple pass.

raumdeuter:


Busquets has played under Del Bosque, Martino, Enrique and Villanova and still regarded as the best DM in Europe

Actually Xavi and Iniesta were horrible under Rijkaard if thats the one you are trying to remember



So talk another thing

Tell me where Xavi and Iniesta have excelled outside Barca Spain and use that in relation to Busquets

What difference has any of those coaches made to the team they know not to ruin a good thing.
My thought about Xavi and Iniesta under Rijjkard might have been wrong but these further strength my position.
If you believe Xavi and Iniesta are quality players why didn't they feature prominently in that dominant Rijjkard Barcelona ?

raumdeuter:


Barca sold him brought a rookie into his position to show he failed at his role in barca

And he stated the way Barca plays and how different it is from his own outlook to the game

A player who wants to join attack and defence as the spirit leads

Football is evolving, nowadays you see full backs making attacking runs, but because your diver lacks attacking skills he would stay glued at one place like London Pakistani man watching over groceries.

Even in fifa 14 he has no amazing skill


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW-GUx9XhfQ

raumdeuter:


Pirlo played for different teams in his career and even when he was young he was never a DM he always had DM cover him. WHo were the DM covering Busquets if you claim he plays the same as Pirlo

Dayo this is not the kind of question I would expect from you.

Ok who was the DM that covered for Modric last season?

Hear Pirlo:

“Milan offered me a 1-year extension but I wanted 3 years because I was younger than the other players whose contracts were expiring,” Pirlo, 32, told today’s La Gazzetta dello Sport. “But the real reason behind why I left Milan was because Allegri wanted to use Ambrosini and Van Bommel in front of the defence.

So that meant that I had to change position on the pitch. So I said ‘No, thanks’ to Milan, and chose Juve. Milan decided that I was no longer useful to them. I understood that immediately during our meeting.

Allegri wanted to use other players in my position. During a long season injury problems can occur, but I believe that they should change something in the preparations at Milanello.

That annoyed me. I played there for 10 years and they know that I don’t do certain things…"

This tells you a lot.

raumdeuter:


Barca sold him brought a rookie into his position to show he failed at his role in barca

And he stated the way Barca plays and how different it is from his own outlook to the game

A player who wants to join attack and defence as the spirit leads

The embolden words are your own words and NEVER the words of Barca or Yaya. Barca sold Yaya because Busquets is Spanish and a La Masia product. It's more of being biased. Even in that same year, Busquets was introduced, Yaya outperformed him. So how can a Yaya that outperformed Busquet be a failure? You are just neglecting the truth - Yaya was never sold because he failed in his role. You won't agree with me, so i won't debate it further.

Eva axed from our bench..... Na rumour, but if it is true then shame on all involved in that decision, come on she is a doctor, her first concern on anything is the player's condition and not the scoreline.... Shish. Very poor decision by the club.

airmark:


He was taking you for a f00l, not knowing you are more brilliant than him.

His explanation is a lame attempt at swaying the argument. He needs to do better or add non-existing words to Yaya's speech to convince me.

SIRcumalot:

What difference has any of those coaches made to the team they know not to ruin a good thing.
My thought about Xavi and Iniesta under Rijjkard might have been wrong but these further strength my position.
If you believe Xavi and Iniesta are quality players why didn't they feature prominently in that dominant Rijjkard Barcelona ?

Before I go further

What Are you insinuating about Xavi and Iniesta ?

What's even the need for this argument?

As a coach, I'd pick Busquets as my DM over Yaya while Yaya as my box to box midfielder.

It's suicidal to use Yaya as your DM. City coaches have always paired Yaya with a DM, sometimes even played him behind the striker. They know better.

Personally I believe that this has been a more reasonable debate than the usual Hazard vs Neymar etc nonsense, but to avoid further derailment, I will exit now.

chic2pimp, raumdeuter, sinizia, sircumalot, and airmark. I thank you all for your opinions. I'm out.

Nihilist:


Dayo this is not the kind of question I would expect from you.

Ok who was the DM that covered for Modric last season?

Hear Pirlo:

“Milan offered me a 1-year extension but I wanted 3 years because I was younger than the other players whose contracts were expiring,” Pirlo, 32, told today’s La Gazzetta dello Sport. “But the real reason behind why I left Milan was because Allegri wanted to use Ambrosini and Van Bommel in front of the defence.

So that meant that I had to change position on the pitch. So I said ‘No, thanks’ to Milan, and chose Juve. Milan decided that I was no longer useful to them. I understood that immediately during our meeting.

Allegri wanted to use other players in my position. During a long season injury problems can occur, but I believe that they should change something in the preparations at Milanello.

That annoyed me. I played there for 10 years and they know that I don’t do certain things…"

This tells you a lot.

Whats the Purpose of this?

Is it to prove that Pirlo didnt have DM cover in his Deep lying playmaker position?

If yes what are Gattuso and Ambrosini

And If Busquets is like Pirlo, who are the equivalent of his own Pirlo and Gattuso

sinizia:


The embolden words are your own words and NEVER the words of Barca or Yaya. Barca sold Yaya because Busquets is Spanish and a La Masia product. It's more of being biased. Even in that same year, Busquets was introduced, Yaya outperformed him. So how can a Yaya that outperformed Busquet be a failure? You are just neglecting the truth - Yaya was never sold because he failed in his role. You won't agree with me, so i won't debate it further.

How did Yaya outperform Busquets

Tello, Munir, Bartra, Bojan were all La Masia products how come they didnt displace Villa, Suarez, Neymar, Mascherano etc?

Conspiracy and racial card is the ammunition of the weak

raumdeuter:

Before I go further
What Are you insinuating about Xavi and Iniesta ?

They deserve all the honours they get and I agree.

raumdeuter:


Whats the Purpose of this?

Is it to prove that Pirlo didnt have DM cover in his Deep lying playmaker position?

If yes what are Gattuso and Ambrosini

And If Busquets is like Pirlo, who are the equivalent of his own Pirlo and Gattuso

Final response.

1.That article firmly places Busquets in the same Spatiality as Pirlo being the closest midfielders to the back four, without necessarily being defensive in nature.

2. The high line/ high press Barca play(ed) heavily compresses the space available to their opponent as evidenced in the fact that bar Messi and Suarez,all other outfield players averaged at least 1 succesful tackle per game last season

3 When coupled with the fact that on average Barca's opponent's only have the ball for 27 minutes out of the 90 available, it becomes apparent that Busquets does not even need a Gattuso or Ambrosini type of player.

Infact, they dont even need dedicated defensive type players at all. I read 'Inverting the Pyramid' by Jon Wilson, and according to him, Cryuff who invented Barca's style, was even experimenting with a system that did not have a specialist goalkeeper!

Dude let's discuss this later. I'm out.

Nihilist:
Personally I believe that this has been a more reasonable debate than the usual Hazard vs Neymar etc nonsense, but to avoid further derailment, I will exit now.

chic2pimp, raumdeuter, sinizia, sircumalot, and airmark. I thank you all for your opinions. I'm out.

You argue very brilliantly with convincing facts. Only senseless football lover will call Sergio busquets as the world best DM as raumdeuter and others have been claiming. He even said dejong was bought to cover for yaya toure , when we all know yaya met dejong in man city. imagine? . Even true barca fans rated yaya toure above busquets in his last season at barca as DM. If I give dayo serious Dm training as he is now for 6 months with serious flogging with cain, give him Spanish nationalty with 'que' added to his name, Dayoque, he would play more than that pussyquets for barca. No need to drag it again. Only an Igbo-smoking coach will drop yaya for that diver in 2009 as DM.

Thought we've bought Witsel and Baba.
Didn't know it was another irrelevant argument..
Yaya and Sergio dont play the same position on the pitch, why compare them.?

airmark:


keep shifting post, just last year, Modric was also voted best dm and your world best DM , pussyquets has been in laliga since 2009, never won it. Confirm it in the link below. Mr link.

http://www.goal.com/en/news/12/spain/2014/10/27/5547701/ronaldo-voted-la-ligas-best-player-at-lfp-awards

Modric never won the best defensive midfielder.He won the best midfielder which includes all midfield positions excluding the attacking midfielder position.

mithel:
Eva axed from our bench..... Na rumour, but if it is true then shame on all involved in that decision, come on she is a doctor, her first concern on anything is the player's condition and not the scoreline.... Shish. Very poor decision by the club.

If this is true, then it is very pathetic

raumdeuter:


How did Yaya outperform Busquets

Tello, Munir, Bartra, Bojan were all La Masia products how come they didnt displace Villa, Suarez, Neymar, Mascherano etc?

Conspiracy and racial card is the ammunition of the weak

When arguing, always have in mind every lie of yours would be exposed.

Busquets came into prominence in 2008/2009 all-conquering Barca side, and in that season, he was playing catch-up to Yaya. The only reason why Busquets even played in the DM for the final game was because of Abidal's dismissal in the 2nd leg of semi-final and Alvez injury prompting Pep to field Sylvinho at left-back, Yaya at CB, Puyol at RB and Busquets at DM. If not, he'd have been benched in preference to Yaya. So how on God's green earth did a rookie like Busquets still upcoming out-play a well-established DM, Yaya Toure? In 2008/2009, Busquets was still a rookie. He was never better than Yaya.

And i knew you were lying. Yaya later said the reason why he left, and it was because of Pep's bad relationship with him.

Toure is in no doubt as to where the blame lies. When pressed on his exit in October 2011, he made it clear that then Barca boss Pep Guardiola had effectively forced him out.

"Whenever I asked him something, he always gave strange answers," Toure told ONA FM. "He pretty much ignored me until City's offer came in. That's why I eventually opted to leave. I didn't speak to Guardiola for a year. "If he had talked to me, I would have stayed at Barcelona. I did not want to go and wanted to end my career at Barcelona. However, he had no faith in me."

http://m.goal.com/s/en-gb/news/2914/champions-league/2014/02/18/4627912/why-barcelona-decided-to-sell-yaya-toure

Since Pep never spoke on why he sold Yaya, we'd stick with the words of Yaya and NOT your imaginary reasons.

Also, you lied that Yaya was never disciplined and concentrated in his DM role at Barca, which is another hogwash. As a matter of fact, he was so defense-minded that he dropped into the defense. Here is the truth from another site which you quoted earlier showing Toure was disciplined at the DM role at Barca, even expressing shock on how Toure transformed to a box-to-box player on moving to City. Read and stop the lies against Toure.

Yaya Toure played deepest in midfield, acting as a defensive shield for the center-backs. This is particularly interesting due to his effectiveness at Manchester City playing in a box-to-box role and scoring goals from midfield. Here, he played a disciplined role in midfield. For example, when both Abidal and Alves pushed forward, Toure dropped into defense as a third center-back.

http://worldsoccertalk.com/2015/01/30/the-greatest-teams-fc-barcelona-2008-2009/

sinizia:


When arguing, always have in mind every lie of yours would be exposed.

Busquets came into prominence in 2008/2009 all-conquering Barca side, and in that season, he was playing catch-up to Yaya. The only reason why Busquets even played in the DM for the final game was because of Abidal's dismissal in the 2nd leg of semi-final and Alvez injury prompting Pep to field Sylvinho at left-back, Yaya at CB, Puyol at RB and Busquets at DM. If not, he'd have been benched in preference to Yaya. So how on God's green earth did a rookie like Busquets still upcoming out-play a well-established DM, Yaya Toure? In 2008/2009, Busquets was still a rookie. He was never better than Yaya.

And i knew you were lying. Yaya later said the reason why he left, and it was because of Pep's bad relationship with him.



Since Pep never spoke on why he sold Yaya, we'd stick with the words of Yaya and NOT your imaginary reasons.

Also, you lied that Yaya was never disciplined and concentrated in his DM role at Barca, which is another hogwash. As a matter of fact, he was so defense-minded that he dropped into the defense. Here is the truth from another site which you quoted earlier showing Toure was disciplined at the DM role at Barca, even expressing shock on how Toure transformed to a box-to-box player on moving to City. Read and stop the lies against Toure.

May God bless you. Dayo is a born liar. Only a f00l will swallow his delusional views as regards busquet being a better Dm to yaya in 2009. I want someone to kick that m0f0 pep guardiola a,zz. Muller could nt do the needful last time and dejong missed the opportunity last week, Ronaldo could only shove the id,iot. I look forward to vidal head-butting that fvcktard's nose on training ground.

Basically What Chelsea fans crucify Mikel for is what Barca fans glorify in sergio.

sinizia:


The embolden words are your own words and NEVER the words of Barca or Yaya. Barca sold Yaya because Busquets is Spanish and a La Masia product. It's more of being biased. Even in that same year, Busquets was introduced, Yaya outperformed him. So how can a Yaya that outperformed Busquet be a failure? You are just neglecting the truth - Yaya was never sold because he failed in his role. You won't agree with me, so i won't debate it further.

Like I said earlier on before I logged out, if Yaya was that good, he wouldn't have been sold off, and we kept Seydou Keita. Mascherano is still @ the club despite the fact that he became a CB.

Keita was the one that truly shared that DM with Busquets.

you guys have ruined this thread with this yaya stuff.. this ain't mancity or barcelona's thread

CorneliusSulla8:
Basically What Chelsea fans crucify Mikel for is what Barca fans glorify in sergio.

What an insult! Why bring Mikel into the same line with Busquets? Crucify mikel all you want. There's a reason why Busquets has won the treble twice, and Mikel is sitting on the bench.

Debroslink:


What an insult! Why bring Mikel into the same line with Busquets? Crucify mikel all you want. There's a reason why Busquets has won the treble twice, and Mikel is sitting on the bench.

Know be the same posession recycling and simple passing them bothe they do ?

CorneliusSulla8:

Know be the same posession recycling and simple passing them bothe they do ?

I nearly had that thought when mikel played against spain in confed, he took spain to the cleaners with good midfield play. i dont just know whats wrong with mikel now.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M17SGuhMglc

[size=18pt]Eva Carneiro 'to be banned from Chelsea bench by Jose Mourinho'[/size]


By Toby Keel
Last update 1 hour ago - Published on 11/08/2015 at 17:04Chelsea club doctor Eva Carneiro is reportedly to be banned from sitting on the Blues bench during matches.
The Premier League's most talked-about doctor - indeed, its only talked-about doctor - hit the headlines at the weekend when she was given a public dressing down by Jose Mourinho after the 2-2 draw with Swansea. Carneiro responded with a Facebook post which is unlikely to have gone down well with Chelsea.

http://www.eurosport.com/football/premier-league/2015-2016/eva-carneiro-to-be-banned-from-bench-by-mourinho_sto4853767/story.shtml#uk-fb-po

lordfalcao:
am not comparing, for me i will take yaya toure over Busquet

Your choice.
Fair enough