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Giving Women Quotas For "Representation" Is Discriminatory And Fraudulent by Nobody: 11:15am On Aug 12, 2015 |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3r5xPLfbmY Please oblige me yall. Bear in mind, Edwina Currie is a former British MP. CC: MrsChima LordReed Pickabeau1 Snakebeat 5MInsMadness Doe1994 Freecocoa The general public is, of course, invited to weigh in on the matter. |
Re: Giving Women Quotas For "Representation" Is Discriminatory And Fraudulent by Paschal001: 11:15am On Aug 12, 2015 |
Ok |
Re: Giving Women Quotas For "Representation" Is Discriminatory And Fraudulent by pickabeau1: 11:31am On Aug 12, 2015 |
Generally quotas are useful and help increase participation However they become an end in itself over time and encourage mediocrity over time I will view the vid later |
Re: Giving Women Quotas For "Representation" Is Discriminatory And Fraudulent by Nobody: 11:54am On Aug 12, 2015 |
pickabeau1: What is the point of an artificial increase in participation really? Which is why they should be shelved entirely in the discourse for gender equality I'm eager to hear your views after watching. |
Re: Giving Women Quotas For "Representation" Is Discriminatory And Fraudulent by pickabeau1: 12:50pm On Aug 12, 2015 |
Timbuktou: Ok no problem |
Re: Giving Women Quotas For "Representation" Is Discriminatory And Fraudulent by snakebeat: 2:23pm On Aug 12, 2015 |
Quotas will always produce mediocrity. Merit & capability should be the benchmark, not gender. Meritocracy brings about meritorious development. Allowing incompetent & unqualified hands to execute & hold certain positions of which they obviously lack the required expertise, will & strength, all in a bid to appease some misplaced sentiments isn't emanpacition, but an unwarranted risk embedded in a looming thalidomide. There is nothing discriminating about hiring & accepting only qualified hands. |
Re: Giving Women Quotas For "Representation" Is Discriminatory And Fraudulent by pickabeau1: 7:20pm On Aug 12, 2015 |
OK.. I watched.. facts stated in the clip 13.2 percent in judiciary, 15.6 in directorships, 21.7 in cabinet positions Overall 32 percent representation (1 in 3)... Well there are questions to be asked also How many women are in these fields in the first place How many women are in these fields but being denied advancement opportunities compared to their male counterparts Edwina Currie made some good points and said women who came in via special arrangements were useless in parliaments Hence quotas defeat themselves in the end The other lady did not make any points especially with relation to pregnancies in women LOL... theres one angry guy in the background |
Re: Giving Women Quotas For "Representation" Is Discriminatory And Fraudulent by Nobody: 9:19pm On Aug 12, 2015 |
pickabeau1: I'd already had this opinion on quotas before seeing this clip, but since our people want to copy them, I just thought we should how well their experiments worked out for them. We should not do what the west says and does without thinking about it. To the issue you raised, I'm very sceptical about claims saying women are denied opportunities just based on their gender. I say this from a place of experience in the Nigerian labour market, but it seems many females want to conform reality to their rhetoric rather than the other way around. Also, and most importantly, the application of quota systems is discriminatory in and of itself. Men, and to a lesser extent, are cheated out of their legitimate rights and opportunities when someone is put where they don't belong just to achieve "representation". Lastly, the narrator is a clown . I love listening to his sarcastic commentary. 1 Like |
Re: Giving Women Quotas For "Representation" Is Discriminatory And Fraudulent by LordReed(m): 6:49am On Aug 13, 2015 |
pickabeau1: My thoughts as well. |
Re: Giving Women Quotas For "Representation" Is Discriminatory And Fraudulent by LordReed(m): 6:50am On Aug 13, 2015 |
Timbuktou: Question: do you think the local content bill is discriminatory? |
Re: Giving Women Quotas For "Representation" Is Discriminatory And Fraudulent by pickabeau1: 7:26am On Aug 13, 2015 |
Re: Giving Women Quotas For "Representation" Is Discriminatory And Fraudulent by Nobody: 8:52am On Aug 13, 2015 |
LordReed: It's not. The bill is to help Nigerians in Nigeria. Would you say issuing visas is discriminatory? |
Re: Giving Women Quotas For "Representation" Is Discriminatory And Fraudulent by LordReed(m): 9:22am On Aug 13, 2015 |
Timbuktou: No so why do you write like all forms of quotas are discriminatory? Do the foreigners who would otherwise be debarred not worth it on a merit based scale? |
Re: Giving Women Quotas For "Representation" Is Discriminatory And Fraudulent by LordReed(m): 9:29am On Aug 13, 2015 |
pickabeau1: They help to include those who would otherwise loose out but like you rightly pointed out if mis-managed it will breed mediocrity. I think they should be transient not an established or entrenched method. |
Re: Giving Women Quotas For "Representation" Is Discriminatory And Fraudulent by pickabeau1: 10:45am On Aug 13, 2015 |
LordReed: ok |
Re: Giving Women Quotas For "Representation" Is Discriminatory And Fraudulent by Nobody: 11:40am On Aug 13, 2015 |
LordReed: The priority of the Nigerian government and general policy-machinery is to further the interest of the Nigerian people. Would you allow your neighbour's teenage children eat up all the food in your house to the detriment of your toddlers because you want to give them all they deserve to eat? If you keep food for your children and not give the neighbours enough to feed them would that be discriminatory? They can stay in their country and trade. Not all Nigerians are welcome to do business in foreign countries. The topic clearly states quotas in the context of the push for fairness in the struggle for gender equality. However, I'm more than happy to answer your off-topic questions. |
Re: Giving Women Quotas For "Representation" Is Discriminatory And Fraudulent by Nobody: 11:43am On Aug 13, 2015 |
LordReed: Those who lose out were never deserving of the spot in the first place. Why do tests and get qualification at all when you can just quota the whole thing away! The implementation of quotas is the beginning of mismanagement, everything that happens afterwards is academic. |
Re: Giving Women Quotas For "Representation" Is Discriminatory And Fraudulent by LordReed(m): 1:28pm On Aug 13, 2015 |
Timbuktou: It is relevant because one of your arguments is that quotas ignore merit. Here we have you vigorously defending quota because according to you it so as not to take the food out our children's mouths and you even say it is not discriminatory. How can I not believe you have double standards? 1 Like |
Re: Giving Women Quotas For "Representation" Is Discriminatory And Fraudulent by LordReed(m): 1:33pm On Aug 13, 2015 |
Timbuktou: But you don't have this same attitude to the local content bill. Double standard or what? |
Re: Giving Women Quotas For "Representation" Is Discriminatory And Fraudulent by Nobody: 2:08pm On Aug 13, 2015 |
LordReed: You have not answered my question. Would you feed outsiders at the expense of your children. Yes or no. And is that discriminatory or not? |
Re: Giving Women Quotas For "Representation" Is Discriminatory And Fraudulent by LordReed(m): 4:39pm On Aug 13, 2015 |
Timbuktou: No I would not. That second question should be for you, I have already expressed that quotas need not be discriminatory. Also you need to answer how your attitude is not double standard. |
Re: Giving Women Quotas For "Representation" Is Discriminatory And Fraudulent by Nobody: 5:33pm On Aug 13, 2015 |
LordReed: Is prioritizing the welfare of your household over outsiders' quota? . If you think it is then there is a problem with how we both view the meaning of the word quota. Please explain the quota in feeding your children over outsiders. 1 Like |
Re: Giving Women Quotas For "Representation" Is Discriminatory And Fraudulent by LordReed(m): 6:21am On Aug 14, 2015 |
Timbuktou: A very pathetic and disingenuous attempt to obfuscate. Your sudden failure to see the local content bill as a quota system is an obvious sign that you carry a double standard as regards quota and a proof that your views on this topic are thoroughly jaundiced. 1 Like |
Re: Giving Women Quotas For "Representation" Is Discriminatory And Fraudulent by Nobody: 11:34am On Aug 14, 2015 |
LordReed: Your disingenuity is irritating. I've asked you questions you refuse to answer and you dare accuse me of obfuscation. Even if I agreed the LC bill is a quota system, how does that answer the question I asked you in the OP? Is the OP about local content? Again, I ask you, is deciding to feed your children a quota system? Answer and stop jumping about like spiderman. |
Re: Giving Women Quotas For "Representation" Is Discriminatory And Fraudulent by Nobody: 11:36am On Aug 14, 2015 |
Timbuktou:Maybe you didn't see this question, I'm asking you to answer this. |
Re: Giving Women Quotas For "Representation" Is Discriminatory And Fraudulent by LordReed(m): 12:19pm On Aug 14, 2015 |
Timbuktou: Say that you do not know how to read again. Here was my response to your question: LordReed: How many times do I have to answer the same question but to answer mine you start dancing around like atilogun dancer. I have already said why I brought up local content. If local content is good how is quota for women then bad? You have no response to this because your bloody hypocrisy has been exposed for the world to see. 1 Like |
Re: Giving Women Quotas For "Representation" Is Discriminatory And Fraudulent by Nobody: 12:34pm On Aug 14, 2015 |
LordReed: Local content is good because it gives the rightful owners the opportunity to own and control their wealth. I know comprehension and critical thinking is difficult for you, but the Nigerian government exists to further the interest of the Nigerian people. Nigeria is not a free for all. Just as it would be unwise for you to allow outsiders guzzle up your resources at the expense of your family, it would be the height of foolishness to not have something like a local content bill. Giving women quota in the workplace or anywhere else that requires merit for entry or advancement is unfair to those who have earned their entry and elevation through merit. The entry and advancement requirements may as well be done away with and all entry and advancement should be based on an arbitrary quota assignment. *smh* Apples and oranges may both be fruits but they are not they same kind of fruit, sir. 1 Like |
Re: Giving Women Quotas For "Representation" Is Discriminatory And Fraudulent by pickabeau1: 12:41pm On Aug 14, 2015 |
LordReed Do you think foreigners should get jobs and contracts that Nigerians can do In Nigeria? |
Re: Giving Women Quotas For "Representation" Is Discriminatory And Fraudulent by LordReed(m): 12:57pm On Aug 14, 2015 |
pickabeau1: I think who (in terms of race or nationality) gets the job is irrelevant however I think it wise to protect indigenous companies and workforce. |
Re: Giving Women Quotas For "Representation" Is Discriminatory And Fraudulent by LordReed(m): 1:02pm On Aug 14, 2015 |
Timbuktou: Does local content ignore "merit"? Does it say just any Nigerian company can come and bid for a contract? Does it not specify that competence is required? All these and more can be applied to a quota for women in industries where they are underrepresented. It is you who needs help for comprehension and critical thinking because this simple point continues to elude you. 1 Like |
Re: Giving Women Quotas For "Representation" Is Discriminatory And Fraudulent by pickabeau1: 1:03pm On Aug 14, 2015 |
LordReed: It is not irrelevant The local content bill was made to address a wrong situation where indigenes (both male and female) were deprived in their own country to the benefit of foreigners.. from another country why expose your own citizens to unemployment because u want to please foriegners |
Re: Giving Women Quotas For "Representation" Is Discriminatory And Fraudulent by Nobody: 1:26pm On Aug 14, 2015 |
LordReed: Your spiderman skills are enviable. Stop comparing apples and oranges. What is under-representation? Who sets the benchmark for under-representation? Is it supposed to be a 50-50 thing, or could it be 60-40? I'm truly confused here. Where's the quota in this whole world for men who are "under-represented" in professions like say Nursing? If you do not understand that Local Content bill is supposed to secure what rightly belongs to Nigerians to its rightful owners, then I'm afraid we're at an impasse. If you don't understand the analogy of LCB to a household, then I've been wasting my time. Your inability to think is frightening. |
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