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. by Nobody: 7:21pm On Jul 24, 2015
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Re: . by Eeshfar779(f): 6:26pm On Aug 17, 2015
Masha Allah
Re: . by malvisguy212: 8:40pm On Aug 17, 2015
Any hadith that do not translate in favour of islam is fabricated.

During the early stages of his prophetic
career in Mecca, Muhammad and his
followers prayed towards Jerusalem.
Even after their migration (hijra) to
Medina, Muslims continued with this
practice for about sixteen to seventeen
months. its is only when Muhammad desired to pray towards the Ka’ba in Mecca that Allah, as usual, obliged and revealed the following Qur’anic verse:

Surah (Al-Baqarah) 2:144: “We see
the turning of thy face for guidance to
the heavens: now shall We turn thee
to a Qibla that shall PLEASED THEE .
Turn then Thy face in the direction
of the sacred Mosque : Wherever ye
are, turn your faces in that
direction.” (Yusuf Ali)

And the hadith supported this:

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 8,
Number 392:
Narrated Bara’ bin ‘Azib: Allah’s
Apostle prayed facing Baitul-
Maqdis for sixteen or seventeen
months but he loved to face the
Ka’ba (at Mecca) so Allah revealed:
“Verily, We have seen the turning of
your face to the heaven!” ( Surah 2 Al-
Baqarah 144) So the Prophet faced
the Ka’ba and the fools amongst the
people namely “the Jews” said,
“What has turned them from their
Qibla (Bait-ul-Maqdis) which they
formerly observed” (Allah revealed):
“Say: ‘To Allah belongs the East and
the West. He guides whom he will to a
straight path’.” ( Surah 2 Al-Baqarah
142).

Why did Muhammad express a desire to pray facing the Ka’ba while it remained a pagan shrine? At the time when Surah 2:144 was revealed to change the Qiblah from Jerusalem to Mecca,the Ka’ba was still a pagan shrine housing 360 pagan idols. Why would Allah permit his Prophet to bow towards the Ka’ba while it was still polluted with 360 pagan idols? The command given in the Qur’an to change the Qiblah predates by years the conquest of Mecca. Those idols were destroyed only after the conquest of Mecca. Thus, during all those intervening years, between the time the Qiblah was changed towards the Ka’ba and the
conquest of Mecca, whenever Muhammad faced the Ka’ba to pray, the
Ka’ba remained a shrine of idol worship.

This is not an insignificant matter in
terms of worship. Why was Muhammad
not commanded to wait until the removal of those idols? Why did Allah submit to Muhammad’s desire and as a result make it a requirement for the early Muslims to bow towards the direction of the pagan idols?
Re: . by malvisguy212: 8:47pm On Aug 17, 2015
Now we will consider another serious
problem in Islam.

Surah 2:125: “And when WE MADE
the House (at Mecca) a resort for
mankind and sanctuary, (saying):
Take as your place of worship the
place where Abraham stood (to pray).
And We imposed a duty upon
Abraham and Ishmael, (saying):
Purify My house for those who go
around and those who meditate
therein and those who bow down and
prostrate themselves (in worship)
.” (Pickthall)

According to Islam, Allah is said to have
built the Ka’ba centuries before the time
of Judaism and Christianity. It was
supposedly restructured later by
Abraham and Ishmael. The Ka’ba also
known as “Baitullah” means “House of
Allah.” Now, how did the “House of
Allah” which was “made by Allah”
become a pagan temple housing 360
pagan idols? How can a House of God
become a pagan Temple of Idols? Why
did Allah allow this to occur to his place
of worship? If the Ka’ba was the original
“House of Allah” as the Qur’an asserts,
then there is absolutely no logical or
theological reason as to why Muhammad directed the first Qiblah towards Jerusalem – unless he believed that it was holier than the Ka’ba.

Muhammad destroyed the rest of the
idols at the conquest of Mecca but left
the preeminent idol of the Ka’ba – the
Black Stone – untouched. Why? It was
simply due to deep-rooted subconsciousness brought on by years of submission to stone worship. He not only had to leave the Black Stone unharmed to represent Islam but he also kissed it to show his affection for the pagan stone.

The Black Stone that was sacred to the
pagans became sacred to the Muslims
and is now revered by them. The kiss
that the pious Muslim pilgrims bestow on the Black Stone is a survival of the old pagan practice, which was a form of
stone worship in Arabia. While Christians can clearly see this as absolute idolatry,

Islam is blind to this abomination.
Even the Egyptian writer, Muhammad
Husayn Haykal, who relies heavily on
the works of Ibn Hisham, admitted in his book, The Life of Muhammad (p. 30):

In fact, the Arabs venerated these
stones so much that not only did
they worship the black stone in the
Ka’bah, but also they would take
one of the stones of the Ka’bah as a
holy object in their travels, praying
to it and asking it to bless every
move they made.

Muhammad began and ended up with a pagan religion with the only difference being that he repackaged it in a monotheistic framework. The fact that many of the rituals performed in the name of Allah are connected to pagan worship shows that Islam was conceived in idolatry. Such practices are consistent with pre-Islamic pagan rituals involving the Ka’ba. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob would never send a Black Stone for his followers to kiss. If God abhors even the bowing of his worshippers towards the living sun that was created by him, do you think he will command his worshippers to bow towards a dead Black Stone?
Deuteronomy 4:19 clearly states:

“You must not raise your eyes to the
heavens and indeed see the SUN and
the MOON and the STARS, all the army
of the heavens, and actually GET
SEDUCED AND BOW DOWN TO THEM.”
Re: . by Demmzy15(m): 8:48pm On Aug 17, 2015
malvisguy212:
[s]Any hadith that do not translate in favour of islam is fabricated.

During the early stages of his prophetic
career in Mecca, Muhammad and his
followers prayed towards Jerusalem.
Even after their migration (hijra) to
Medina, Muslims continued with this
practice for about sixteen to seventeen
months. its is only when Muhammad desired to pray towards the Ka’ba in Mecca that Allah, as usual, obliged and revealed the following Qur’anic verse:

Surah (Al-Baqarah) 2:144: “We see
the turning of thy face for guidance to
the heavens: now shall We turn thee
to a Qibla that shall PLEASED THEE .
Turn then Thy face in the direction
of the sacred Mosque : Wherever ye
are, turn your faces in that
direction.” (Yusuf Ali)

And the hadith supported this:

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 8,
Number 392:
Narrated Bara’ bin ‘Azib: Allah’s
Apostle prayed facing Baitul-
Maqdis for sixteen or seventeen
months but he loved to face the
Ka’ba (at Mecca) so Allah revealed:
“Verily, We have seen the turning of
your face to the heaven!” ( Surah 2 Al-
Baqarah 144) So the Prophet faced
the Ka’ba and the fools amongst the
people namely “the Jews” said,
“What has turned them from their
Qibla (Bait-ul-Maqdis) which they
formerly observed” (Allah revealed):
“Say: ‘To Allah belongs the East and
the West. He guides whom he will to a
straight path’.” ( Surah 2 Al-Baqarah
142).

Why did Muhammad express a desire to pray facing the Ka’ba while it remained a pagan shrine? At the time when Surah 2:144 was revealed to change the Qiblah from Jerusalem to Mecca,the Ka’ba was still a pagan shrine housing 360 pagan idols. Why would Allah permit his Prophet to bow towards the Ka’ba while it was still polluted with 360 pagan idols? The command given in the Qur’an to change the Qiblah predates by years the conquest of Mecca. Those idols were destroyed only after the conquest of Mecca. Thus, during all those intervening years, between the time the Qiblah was changed towards the Ka’ba and the
conquest of Mecca, whenever Muhammad faced the Ka’ba to pray, the
Ka’ba remained a shrine of idol worship.

This is not an insignificant matter in
terms of worship. Why was Muhammad
not commanded to wait until the removal of those idols? Why did Allah submit to Muhammad’s desire and as a result make it a requirement for the early Muslims to bow towards the direction of the pagan idols?[/s]
Re: . by malvisguy212: 8:50pm On Aug 17, 2015
[quote author=Demmzy15 post=37061091][/quote]nonsense.
Re: . by Nobody: 10:45pm On Aug 17, 2015
malvisguy212:
Any hadith that do not translate in favour of islam is fabricated.

During the early stages of his prophetic
career in Mecca, Muhammad and his
followers prayed towards Jerusalem.
Even after their migration (hijra) to
Medina, Muslims continued with this
practice for about sixteen to seventeen
months. its is only when Muhammad desired to pray towards the Ka’ba in Mecca that Allah, as usual, obliged and revealed the following Qur’anic verse:

Surah (Al-Baqarah) 2:144: “We see
the turning of thy face for guidance to
the heavens: now shall We turn thee
to a Qibla that shall PLEASED THEE .
Turn then Thy face in the direction
of the sacred Mosque : Wherever ye
are, turn your faces in that
direction.” (Yusuf Ali)

And the hadith supported this:

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 8,
Number 392:
Narrated Bara’ bin ‘Azib: Allah’s
Apostle prayed facing Baitul-
Maqdis for sixteen or seventeen
months but he loved to face the
Ka’ba (at Mecca) so Allah revealed:
“Verily, We have seen the turning of
your face to the heaven!” ( Surah 2 Al-
Baqarah 144) So the Prophet faced
the Ka’ba and the fools amongst the
people namely “the Jews” said,
“What has turned them from their
Qibla (Bait-ul-Maqdis) which they
formerly observed” (Allah revealed):
“Say: ‘To Allah belongs the East and
the West. He guides whom he will to a
straight path’.” ( Surah 2 Al-Baqarah
142).

Why did Muhammad express a desire to pray facing the Ka’ba while it remained a pagan shrine? At the time when Surah 2:144 was revealed to change the Qiblah from Jerusalem to Mecca,the Ka’ba was still a pagan shrine housing 360 pagan idols. Why would Allah permit his Prophet to bow towards the Ka’ba while it was still polluted with 360 pagan idols? The command given in the Qur’an to change the Qiblah predates by years the conquest of Mecca. Those idols were destroyed only after the conquest of Mecca. Thus, during all those intervening years, between the time the Qiblah was changed towards the Ka’ba and the
conquest of Mecca, whenever Muhammad faced the Ka’ba to pray, the
Ka’ba remained a shrine of idol worship.

This is not an insignificant matter in
terms of worship. Why was Muhammad
not commanded to wait until the removal of those idols? Why did Allah submit to Muhammad’s desire and as a result make it a requirement for the early Muslims to bow towards the direction of the pagan idols?



And when did you become at-tabari or as-shinqitee to start trying to interpret quranic verses with your weak knowledge. leave that to the scholars. Interpreting quranic verses is not for the layman. you don't interprete it literally

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Re: . by malvisguy212: 10:57pm On Aug 17, 2015
Aareonakakanfo:




And when did you become at-tabari or as-shinqitee to start trying to interpret quranic verses with your weak knowledge. leave that to the scholars. Interpreting quranic verses is not for the layman. you don't interprete it literally
did anyone ban you not to interpret it ?
Re: . by Nobody: 11:22pm On Aug 17, 2015
malvisguy212:
did anyone ban you not to interpret it ?


I can't because i'm not a mufassir nor am i a student of knowledge. i can only interprete what i know. you haven't even heard any of those names and yet you want to interprete quranic verses. very funny . that's like me interpreting the torah based on a few pages i've read. i see you all all time on nairaland yarnin dust about quranic verses but i'm guaranteed you've not even seen tira before talkless of imam as-shinqitee's books. Read adwaaul bayaan first before you interprete the quran

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Re: . by malvisguy212: 11:28pm On Aug 17, 2015
Aareonakakanfo:



I can't because i'm not a mufassir nor am i a student of knowledge. i can only interprete what i know. you haven't even heard any of those names and yet you want to interprete quranic verses. very funny . that's like me interpreting the torah based on a few pages i've read. i see you all all time on nairaland yarnin dust about quranic verses but i'm guaranteed you've not even seen tira before talkless of imam as-shinqitee's books. Read adwaaul bayaan first before you interprete the quran
so you cannot interprete it but you just believe in it anyway?
Re: . by Nobody: 11:38pm On Aug 17, 2015
malvisguy212:
so you cannot interprete it but you just believe in it anyway?


See me see trouble oo. so because i cannot interprete it makes it wrong?. the qur'an is flawless and its not open to scrutiny. no apologies Sir.malvis guy can say whatever he likes about it but who cares. you're not a muslim so your opinion doesn't count. you that don't believe it can you interprete it?

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Re: . by malvisguy212: 11:45pm On Aug 17, 2015
Aareonakakanfo:



See me see trouble oo. so because i cannot interprete it makes it wrong?. the qur'an is flawless and its not open to scrutiny. no apologies Sir.malvis guy can say whatever he likes about it but who cares. you're not a muslim so your opinion doesn't count. you that don't believe it can you interprete it?
it is not wrong even if you cannot interprete it? Good for you (blind faith) good night.
Re: . by Nobody: 11:55pm On Aug 17, 2015
malvisguy212:
it is not wrong even if you cannot interprete it? Good for you (blind faith) good night.


hahaha. Call it what you want bro. i've seen the nastiest of comments on this nairaland so that's no big deal. like i said already for you to interprete the qur'an. there are some boxes that need to be ticked and you haven't ticked any of those boxes

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