Demmzy15:


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The Prophet Muhammad never and didn't plagiarize.
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You quote from unsubstantiated sources and then claim you've refuted a thing. Is that how it works?

According to www.sacred-text.com the Gnostics, a sect in the second century (did you get that? - 2nd century) already had it. There were different mentions of it about the same time period. 

So, is the source you quoted talking about the original (initial) writing or translations? This is crucial!

In reality the critical issue is that of the way the Quran came about. The undisputed FACT that there was no single document as a compilation of all the revelations of Mohammed as at his death is a major blow to ANY claim that the Quran we have today was the unadulterated collection of the sayings of Mohammed. 

Besides, who was 'inspired'? Was it Mohammed or those who wrote down his recitations? This is also very KEY because here we are talking about who gave the message (the 'revelations') to the people in the form in which it is today. Because it is ONLY through this current form that anyone in the successive generations can come to get the message. So, did 'inspiration' reside only in Mohammed as he gave his recitations or did it extend to those who eventually penned down - mostly from memory - mohammed's recitations? 

At the end of the day you have refuted nothing!

plainbibletruth:


You quote from unsubstantiated sources and then claim you've refuted a thing. Is that how it works?

According to www.sacred-text.com the Gnostics, a sect in the second century (did you get that? - 2nd century) already had it. There were different mentions of it about the same time period. 

So, is the source you quoted talking about the original (initial) writing or translations? This is crucial!

In reality the critical issue is that of the way the Quran came about. The undisputed FACT that there was no single document as a compilation of all the revelations of Mohammed as at his death is a major blow to ANY claim that the Quran we have today was the unadulterated collection of the sayings of Mohammed. 

Besides, who was 'inspired'? Was it Mohammed or those who wrote down his recitations? This is also very KEY because here we are talking about who gave the message (the 'revelations') to the people in the form in which it is today. Because it is ONLY through this current form that anyone in the successive generations can come to get the message. So, did 'inspiration' reside only in Mohammed as he gave his recitations or did it extend to those who eventually penned down - mostly from memory - mohammed's recitations? 

At the end of the day you have refuted nothing!

How does this nonsense refute the pagan origins of the bible?!

plainbibletruth:


In reality the critical issue is that of the way the Quran came about. The undisputed FACT that there was no single document as a compilation of all the revelations of Mohammed as at his death is a major blow to ANY claim that the Quran we have today was the unadulterated collection of the sayings of Mohammed. 

Besides, who was 'inspired'? Was it Mohammed or those who wrote down his recitations? This is also very KEY because here we are talking about who gave the message (the 'revelations') to the people in the form in which it is today. Because it is ONLY through this current form that anyone in the successive generations can come to get the message. So, did 'inspiration' reside only in Mohammed as he gave his recitations or did it extend to those who eventually penned down - mostly from memory - mohammed's recitations? 

Actually you're wrong as recent events bear out. There was already written quran during the time of Muhammad. But before muslims start jubilating, in fact it is quite possible that the quran PREDATES muhammad.

This is something that I've said quite often. The fact that the Muslims went about destroying every trace of pre-islamic culture and writings to me is an Indictment of Islam. Why all the destruction? What were they Hiding?

Only someone who is hiding something will go to such lengths to destroy evidence. I've always believed, though without evidence, that many parts of Islam already existed in Arabia, but furthermore that many verse of the Quran already existed as oral lore and tradition amongst the Arabs.

Well now, some evidence for this seems to have popped up.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3216627/Koran-Birmingham-thought-oldest-world-predate-Prophet-Muhammad-scholars-say.html


Most of these religions don't just pop up spontaneously like that despite the claims of revelations. They are more often a redactions and recycling of previous religions that were already there. Even christianity which seems so special, it turns out that many unique traits of christianity already existed in judaism amongst groups like the Essenes etc. Even down to the style of the language used. There was even a belief in a messiah figure that was called Jesus BEFORE CHRISTIANITY EVEN BEGAN.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YPsMpegNDY