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Re: Concrete Facts To Prove That Ikwerres Are Not Igbo But Edo by Candyrain(m): 5:27pm On Aug 20, 2015 |
mcvaeey: And Ikwerres are Igbo subgroup and not Edo, murder yourself 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Concrete Facts To Prove That Ikwerres Are Not Igbo But Edo by Nobody: 5:31pm On Aug 20, 2015 |
mcvaeey: I wonder why he is trying to claim Ikwerres, ikwerres don't even behave like Igbos, they lack everything Igbos are known for. There is no Ikwerre sportsman, there is no Ikwerre businesman or woman, I wonder why people are trying to claim nonentities 4 Likes |
Re: Concrete Facts To Prove That Ikwerres Are Not Igbo But Edo by FKO81(m): 5:32pm On Aug 20, 2015 |
No wonder during the confab Lagos representatives never supported regional government, I wonder what will be the faith of Oduduwa land when Nigeria split? I guess that's why they are fighting tooth and nail for one Nigeria 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Concrete Facts To Prove That Ikwerres Are Not Igbo But Edo by disumusa: 5:38pm On Aug 20, 2015 |
finniblinks:truly, but ibo you force all those things on them during regional govt. Not natural. |
Re: Concrete Facts To Prove That Ikwerres Are Not Igbo But Edo by EastLebanon(m): 5:38pm On Aug 20, 2015 |
This issue of ikwerre is igbo or not have been over emphasized. I think the issue is not occuring only among ikwerre and igbo alone but everywhere e.g some kwarans of yoruba heritage says they are not yorubas,some kalabaris refutes their ijaw heritage,the eleme and the ogonis have a similar language but some elemes distance themselves from the ogonis. So it's better to leave the ikwerres to decide for themselves,IGBOS STILL REMAINS STRONG AND GALLANT WITHOUT THE IKWERRES,although i know lot of them who doesn't joke with their igbo identity,but what i hate to hear some of them say is that the igbos imposed their language on them and changed the names of their town,if it's true why can't they start speaking their original language now that the yoke of the igbos is no longer upon them,one of the funniest incident about this issue was when ukachukwu dibia(an ikwerre)was stating in oputa panel that the ikwerres were not igbo,when he was asked how come he was bearing an igbo name he was dumb founded. IKWERRES CAN CLAIM WHATEVER THEY WANT TO CLAIM BUT THEY SHOULD NOT PAINT THE IGBOS NEGATIVE IN ORDER TO BACK THEIR CLAIM. 4 Likes |
Re: Concrete Facts To Prove That Ikwerres Are Not Igbo But Edo by disumusa: 5:41pm On Aug 20, 2015 |
mcvaeey:no wounder ikwere hate ibos,when ibo claim they own the land and all the properties. |
Re: Concrete Facts To Prove That Ikwerres Are Not Igbo But Edo by coolitempa(f): 5:43pm On Aug 20, 2015 |
EdCure: Very accurate depiction of the truth.. ....this is what they are trying o do with the Ikas...Aniomas....Ikwerres....Etches....lagos....etc.....rather than develop their land....they will be trying to grab that of the others.....thankfully everyone is waking up that their support for Jonathan was always a ploy to grab the land of the minorities around them...it will not work unless with the four land locked states of the SE.... 2 Likes |
Re: Concrete Facts To Prove That Ikwerres Are Not Igbo But Edo by Duru1(m): 5:47pm On Aug 20, 2015 |
mcvaeey: Both poster and author of the above crap are irrefutable pantaloons. From the write-up, it is easy to ascertain that western education has failed the moronic dingbats woefully. One wonders if cultural education also did a number on the wags. Why did so called Ikwerre not claim to have migrated from Eshan or even Urhobo? If these ninnies where given a home training of sort, they would have realized that the word – “Akalaka” does not exist in Edo or Bini vernacular. In addition, they jackasses would also realized that the so-called –“Ikwerre” is not the actual name. In fact, the word – “Iwhnuruọhna” is a body of idiocy. I guess shame has disappeared in Nigeria. Akalaka or Akaraka, depending on the Igbo dialect in usage, is destiny, thus, natural and birth lines on someone’s palm. Not really do I give a ratass about the so-called Ikwerre but as a red blooded Igbo man, I had rather choose to have come from Ibibio, Annang, Ogoni or Okirika than from a group of people known for backstabbing and sellout such as Edo or Bini. 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Concrete Facts To Prove That Ikwerres Are Not Igbo But Edo by Duru1(m): 5:49pm On Aug 20, 2015 |
EastLebanon: Bros please on the bolded, Eleme is not and has never been Ogoni. Even the surname of the chairperson of Eleme LGA is Okparaji. I spent most of my childhood within the axis mentioned and there was no time Eleme was termed as Ogoni. The language of Eleme is Igbo not Ogoni. In addition, Eleme is the second and popularly known name of the place but the real first name is only open to the true sons and daughters of Eleme. 2 Likes |
Re: Concrete Facts To Prove That Ikwerres Are Not Igbo But Edo by disumusa: 5:52pm On Aug 20, 2015 |
FKO81:yoruba people are very teritorian, they encroach part of kwara,kogi,edo,delta. ,rivers. Idigbo,you need to respect yorubas, they never lost land to any tribe, unlike igbos. 1 Like |
Re: Concrete Facts To Prove That Ikwerres Are Not Igbo But Edo by kernel501: 5:52pm On Aug 20, 2015 |
mcvaeey:We are busy making money... Topping chat on innovation, education, commerce, sport and you are busy developing high blood pressure. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Concrete Facts To Prove That Ikwerres Are Not Igbo But Edo by mcvaeey(m): 5:54pm On Aug 20, 2015 |
Duru1:at what point has edo or bini been backstabbing or a sell out set of people. Guy shut up if you have nothing to say. 4 Likes |
Re: Concrete Facts To Prove That Ikwerres Are Not Igbo But Edo by Duru1(m): 5:58pm On Aug 20, 2015 |
mcvaeey: You are a moronic maggot. In fact intellectually, you are a midget. Until you fathom the real name of the so-called "Ikwerre", you do not deserve a second response, olodo. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Concrete Facts To Prove That Ikwerres Are Not Igbo But Edo by Duru1(m): 6:06pm On Aug 20, 2015 |
disumusa: Yari.ba ran from Oyo-ile, 30 miles north of Ilorin and sought safety in the protective thickets of the jungles in what is known today as southern Nigeria. Nupe with help of Sokoto Caliphate sent the Yari.ba on a century marathon to the southern Nigeria. Where do you think the inherent cowardice found plentifully among Yari.ba people came about? Besides loudmouth, Yari.ba are nobodies. 11 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Concrete Facts To Prove That Ikwerres Are Not Igbo But Edo by FKO81(m): 6:16pm On Aug 20, 2015 |
disumusa:It's seems you don't know your history? When you're busy chasing rat when your house is on fire [b]How Afonja (Yorubas) lost the Ilorin throne THE rivalry between the Fulani and Afonja descendants over the throne of Ilorin is rooted in history. While the Fulani rest the case of their claim to the kingship of the ancient town on the fact that the monarch had from the time immemorial been produced by them, the Afonja descendants, who like majority of the people of the town are Yoruba, say since their ancestor founded Ilorin, their claim to the throne ought not to be disputed. History appears in support of the former's position although the progenitor of the Fulani indigenes of Ilorin, Alimi, was actually a tenant to Afonja. The death of Afonja and Alimi, however, saw the eldest son of the latter emerging as the first monarch of what was then known as Ilorin. Historical sources, tracing the story to the 19th Century, said Ilorin of today was founded by Afonja, the then Aare Ona Kakanfo (Generalisimo) to Alaafin of old Oyo (Oyo Ile), who used the town as his military outpost. It was this outpost that he carried out his war expeditions for the Alaafin. In the usual nomadic wandering, Alimi arrived Ilorin and was hosted by Afonja. Soon after Alimi took Ilorin as his place of abode, a rift broke out between Alaafin and Afonja. When the disagreement reached the climax and the two had to take up arms, Afonja, out of regard for Alimi's spiritual and military prowess, sought his support. Alimi helped in mobilising an army in support of Afonja leading to victory over Alaafin. The defeat led the then Alaafin migrating from old Oyo to the site now called Oyo. After the war, Alimi became a teacher to Afonja's children as the latter wanted his offsprings to learn the secret of power. When both died, Alimi's son, Abdulsalami, inherited his father's duty of teaching Afonja's children. When the idea of appointing somebody to head the village came, the eldest child of Afonja wanted to have the position but met opposition from Abdulsalami who had military support from his fellow Fulani kinsmen. Abdulsalami ultimately became the ruler of what is now called Ilorin around 1831. The issue now is that Afonja's descendants believe that their forefathers were cheated and want a redress. But the Alimi people are claiming that the Afonja people never ruled Ilorin and, as such, no precedent exists to back their position. Penultimate week's incident was not the first time the Afonja and the Yoruba would attempt to assert their right to Ilorin kingship. Historical sources said in 1895, the Yoruba rose against the then emir, burnt his palace and killed him. But the revolt did not result in enthronement of a Yoruba king. In 1913, when Lord Lugard administered the northern and southern Nigeria, Yoruba were said to have spearheaded a riot over tax to bring the rulership of the then emir to ridicule. In 1936, the Yoruba, according to sources, also moved to oust Emir Abdulkadir who was banished to Kaduna but got reinstated by the colonial administration. In 1978, the George Innih administration of Kwara State raised a judicial panel of inquiry to look into the Yoruba agitation. The Yoruba people reportedly made a case for the merging of Kwara State with the Southwest before the commission while also laying claim to the Ilorin throne. It was said they even claimed antecedent to the throne as they allegedly said Yoruba had produced four obas in Ilorin before the advent of the Fulani. But the Alimi people, in a counter position, claimed there was no known Yoruba king in the town before their forefather mounted the throne. The report of the panel never saw the light of day while there was also no white paper from government. A twist to the tussle was the recent petition by three of the six Yoruba chiefs (mogajis) in Ilorin to the State House of Assembly complaining that they had been classified as ungraded by government allegedly at the behest of the emir. Their non-grading, according to the chiefs, suited the emir, so that there would be no rivalry of any sort from the Yoruba to his authority. Ilorin Descendants Progressive Union (IDPU), formed to protect the interest Ilorin indigenes who are of Fulani extraction, once in its opposition to the upgrading of the chiefs, said dong so would bring them at par with Gambari. But the Afonja Descendants Union (ADU) which came on stream in 1978 to advance the cause of the Yoruba in the town and with Kasumu as its leader would hear none of that. The group is allegedly pressuring the legislature to grade the chiefs. Another angle to the agitation is the demand for Oya State that will comprise the Yoruba speaking areas of Kwara and Kogi States. The move, it was said, is to pull the rug from under the feet of the emir and end the Fulani rulership of Ilorin. The Yoruba people of Ilorin are not alone in the struggle. The pan-Yoruba meeting which took place in Ibadan last year demanded restructuring of Kwara State such that Ilorin would be grouped with the Southwest. Analysts interpreted this to mean that the parley did not believe that any emir had any business on Ilorin throne. [/b] - See more at: http://www.ilorin.info/fullnews.php?id=10472#sthash.qQrI3CoH.dpuf 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Concrete Facts To Prove That Ikwerres Are Not Igbo But Edo by cheruv: 6:45pm On Aug 20, 2015 |
FKO81:Thanks alot for this. The other day I was arguing with that hideous hypocrite called laudate on ijebus and aworis not being Yoruba and he was talking otherwise, just bkos he's Yoruba. https://www.nairaland.com/1975320/ancient-igbo-rule-over-parts Keep it up bro 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Concrete Facts To Prove That Ikwerres Are Not Igbo But Edo by Jesusloveyou: 6:53pm On Aug 20, 2015 |
NOBLEDANDY:those names also have connection with Benin, akalaka, ekpeye and ogba etc are also bini names, 2 Likes |
Re: Concrete Facts To Prove That Ikwerres Are Not Igbo But Edo by Passingshit(m): 6:55pm On Aug 20, 2015 |
Ikwerre Edo? Thunder fire you and your family, op! I'm from Emohua, graduated from UNIPORT, and I know my origin. Even though we're not fully considered Igbos wetin wan carry us reach Edo? thunder fire you again! Origin 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Concrete Facts To Prove That Ikwerres Are Not Igbo But Edo by Nobody: 7:02pm On Aug 20, 2015 |
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Re: Concrete Facts To Prove That Ikwerres Are Not Igbo But Edo by Jesusloveyou: 7:04pm On Aug 20, 2015 |
Candyrain:because u have boundary with them, i understand u biafrand are looking for minority group to claim to increase ur small size |
Re: Concrete Facts To Prove That Ikwerres Are Not Igbo But Edo by tonychristopher: 7:05pm On Aug 20, 2015 |
Jesusloveyou: I have lived in benin for years and these names you mentioned are not Benin If they are Benin please tell us the meaning Lies 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Concrete Facts To Prove That Ikwerres Are Not Igbo But Edo by wiseoneking: 7:08pm On Aug 20, 2015 |
NOBLEDANDY:Summary from all this write up is that the father of ikwerre is AKALAKA. that settles it all. it is either that Igbo has been sharing kingship with or in benin kingdoms. any way we see it, Igbo reps in ikwere land. 90% of ikwere people knew their Igbo origin. 2 Likes |
Re: Concrete Facts To Prove That Ikwerres Are Not Igbo But Edo by laudate: 7:11pm On Aug 20, 2015 |
cheruv: Gosh! Your ignorance is appalling! Don't forget that hypocrisy is your own stock in trade. You were born with it. Did you even read the article that the poster was quoting from? The first sentence said: "THE Ijebu People inhabit the South-Central part of Yorubaland - a territory that is bounded in the North by Ibadan, in the East by Ondo, Okitipupa and the West by Egbaland..." How can people who occupy the central part of Yorubaland claim that they are NOT Yoruba? At no point, in the article did they say the Ijebu were not Yoruba. In fact it goes further to say that they are regarded as peripheral Yoruba!! And finally ends by saying: "Time itself has taken care of these legends as the various groups of people in Western Nigeria have come to accept a common Nationality as Yoruba, be they Ekiti, Ijesha, Egba, Ondo, Ijebu, etc.. " Why is that so hard for you to understand? Kindly show me the section of the article where it says the Ijebu are NOT Yoruba. Or do you want them to be called Igbo? Now, let me ask you: "How many Ijebu and Awori people have you met in real life that truly know their heritage?" What kind of names do they bear? What language, customs and culture do they practice? Isn't it Yoruba custom and culture?? What are their traditional rulers called??! I have relatives who have married people from these groups, so trust me..when I tell you they are Yoruba. Please educate yourself and stop letting people laugh at you. And for the last time, please provide evidence to show that Laudate is Yoruba. Every correct answer gets 20 marks! I know you will fail this simple test, because you guys like tagging everyone as Yoruba, the minute they disagree with your point of view. How sad. 4 Likes |
Re: Concrete Facts To Prove That Ikwerres Are Not Igbo But Edo by Nobody: 7:11pm On Aug 20, 2015 |
what I don't understand is how the binis claim everyone is from them. Yoruba is from bini. ikwerre is bini. anioma is bini. na waa ooo. all this tribe from bini. bini should be the most populous tribe in Nigeria. but, otu awu na ezi. everybody migrate from there yet they so tiny.... 6 Likes |
Re: Concrete Facts To Prove That Ikwerres Are Not Igbo But Edo by Nobody: 7:12pm On Aug 20, 2015 |
Adding a leading "R" to Igbo names does not amount to much. Ikwerre people speak Igbo and answer Igbo names. Someone should please give me some words in the (supposedly) original Ikwerre Language . . . 2 Likes |
Re: Concrete Facts To Prove That Ikwerres Are Not Igbo But Edo by Jesusloveyou: 7:15pm On Aug 20, 2015 |
Passingshit:because ur ancestors ran away from Benin and built tent near biafrand, should not make u lost ur lineage 2 Likes |
Re: Concrete Facts To Prove That Ikwerres Are Not Igbo But Edo by omonnakoda: 7:32pm On Aug 20, 2015 |
finniblinks:What is your logic?or point Akpo means bag or sack in Yoruba, Tell us the equivalent in Eboe Ditto for Ewure Goat okuta stone Ile Ground N gbo Do you hear? Omo child Afefe Wind ofurufu flight Akuko Cock Enu Mouth Ibi Place Ule, Ile House ika finger ejika elbow 1 Like |
Re: Concrete Facts To Prove That Ikwerres Are Not Igbo But Edo by Nobody: 7:44pm On Aug 20, 2015 |
disumusa: It is only the weak and leeches that bash other people who in no way has got nothing to do with the oppression and injustice in the land. Igbos have been far from political power and manipulations, yet have achieved unrivalled success for themselves, but disgruntled and bile-filled fellows still have the guts to castigate Igbos for the impending doom at their doorsteps. Knowing that the era of divide-and-rule is fast waning and in a desperate bid to save the drowning Arewa-Odua partnership-in-crime, the leeches have become so obsessed with the affairs of Igbos and some other southerners, taking their perfidy to an alarming, more vicious level, oozing so much inferiority complex. For many years the Hausa-Fulani and Yoruba tribes have flourished on lies and propaganda and now it is getting done on them that their usual deceit and falsehood are no longer working. Like a decapitated viper, an avalanche of these vagabonds and vermins have been let loosed by their greedy leaders, to invade every cyberspace with fraudulent monikers claiming to be who they are not, faking undying love like never before, in their unwise desperation to maintain the status quo in the polity and subject their naive victims to perpetual bondage and penury. The bitter truth is that their poisonous fangs have since expired and lost potency; but their great delusion and foolhardiness if not quickly halted will lead to their Waterloo... "The Yorubas have not forgotten their rivalry between major tribes and as such used Lagos as a pretext that it is the federal capital and so allocated most resources that goes to the centre to develop the west while continue to blackmail any other tribe person who might struggle appointments with them except those strong rivals from the north" - Sam-James Miriki Hebden (IPA member) on Major Adaka Boro ' Remembrance Day, 2008 "The new nation called Nigeria should be an estate of our great grand father, Othman Danfodio. We must ruthlessly prevent a change of power. We must use minorities in the North as willing tools and South as conquered territories and never allow them to rule over us or have control over their future" - Sir Ahmadu Bello, October 12, 1960 4 Likes |
Re: Concrete Facts To Prove That Ikwerres Are Not Igbo But Edo by Nobody: 7:47pm On Aug 20, 2015 |
omonnakoda: goat. ewu ground. ala. do u hear. n gbo. old nnewi dialect. my mum still use it. child. nwa. children. umu. wind. ikuku. ifufe. cock. okuko finger. aka mouth. onu. place. be,,,,ebe,,,,Ibe, House. ulo. elbow. |
Re: Concrete Facts To Prove That Ikwerres Are Not Igbo But Edo by FKO81(m): 7:58pm On Aug 20, 2015 |
laudate: The bulk of Yoruba people regard the ljebus as peripheral Yoruba while the ljebus themselves do not hide the fact that the cohesion between them and others who call themselves central Yoruba has been the result of cultural and political interaction over the centuries. Time itself has taken care of these legends as the various groups of people in Western Nigeria have come to accept a common Nationality as Yoruba, be they Ekiti, Ijesha, Egba, Ondo, Ijebu, etc.. Even among the Ijebus, there are conflicting claims to the source of origin depending on the political intention of those concerned. Irrespective of these claims, the Ijebus are united under the leadership of the Awujale of Ijebuland and this unity is the strength of the people as exhibited by their achievements in the past 40 years of the reign of Oba Sikiru Adetona, Ogbagba II. That was the reason why I highlighted it 2 Likes |
Re: Concrete Facts To Prove That Ikwerres Are Not Igbo But Edo by laudate: 8:03pm On Aug 20, 2015 |
FKO81: Guy, the article you quoted did not say anything wrong. I was merely replying to Cheruv who keeps insisting that Awori and Ijebu are NOT Yoruba, when everyone in the South-West knows that they are clearly Yoruba. Even the sections I highlighted in your article supports this. Their traditional ruler is Oba Sikiru Adetona. Tell me, is Adetona not a Yoruba name?? 2 Likes |
Re: Concrete Facts To Prove That Ikwerres Are Not Igbo But Edo by FKO81(m): 8:04pm On Aug 20, 2015 |
More evidence Ijebus Are From Sudan, Awujale Insists [b]In an interview with P.M.NEWS in his palace at Ijebu Ode, the monarch, when reminded of his claim in 1983 that the Ijebus are from Waddai in Sudan, said every tribe in the country migrated from somewhere. Says Oba Adetona: “Let me tell you, there are ways of settlements, even before Oduduwa came to Ile-Ife, Ife was already in existence. All you just have to do is go to history books, you’ll see all these things there.†Reminded that the statement is often used against the Ijebus with people regarding them as aliens, Awujale described such act as rubbish, saying “how can they use it against the Ijebus? Who is using it against them? What about others? Are they not from other areas before they settled here?†Oba Adetona who marked his 76 birthday on 10 May, 2010 said no Nigerian has any right to use the source of migration against another as it is evident all over the world that everybody has his or her roots. In his royal message, the Awujale advised traditional rulers to steer clear of partisan politics as it is obvious that their subjects can never belong to the same political party and a royal father must not seen to be taking sides. He told P.M.NEWS that his memorable encounter with the first civilian governor of Ogun State, the late Chief Olabisi Onabanjo, in 1983 occupies a chapter in his book that will be launched tomorrow at the grand finale of his coronation anniversary at the Gateway International stadium, Ijebu-Ode. On the clash between him and the Ooni of Ife, Oba Okunabde Sijuade, Oba Adetona said: “Don’t forget, people try to say we have differences, no, not at all. I am the Awujale of Ijebuland, my instrument of office says so. Ooni is Ooni of Ile-Ife, the instrument of office given to him states so. “All the claims he is making now are not correct, they are not tenable. The first time the Obas ever met in Yorubaland was in 1937. Before then, they never met, so I think the man is playing politics, trying to over price himself,†Awujale explained. Asked if they’ve both met of recent, the paramount ruler exclaimed: “Where and for what!?†He stressed that they were not competing for anything and he has no cause to go to Ile-Ife just as Ooni has no mission in Ijebuland. —Jide Osokoya[/b] http://www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2010/06/25/ijebus-are-from-sudan-awujale-insists/ 1 Like
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