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Re: Can Mary Hear Our Prayers? by plaetton: 3:59pm On Aug 21, 2015 |
italo:Lol @manufacture Isn't that the name and method of the God Games ? 2 Likes |
Re: Can Mary Hear Our Prayers? by Nobody: 4:01pm On Aug 21, 2015 |
Jeromejnr: What about my question? dmandy: |
Re: Can Mary Hear Our Prayers? by Jeromejnr(m): 4:05pm On Aug 21, 2015 |
italo: Stop being silly and embrace wisdom. When God said He will wipe away all tears from their eyes where will that happen. On earth or in heaven? You just got to heaven in the presence of God, you've not even received your robes during the tribulation and there is a whole lot of activity going on there. Will you be blind to it and not know what is going on. won't the saints be prepared to ride with Christ on their horses back to earth for the Millennial Reign? And you just said you Catholics go outside scriptures, can you see where your error greatly lies. In Doctrines of men. Why can't you just stick to scriptures. You see you guys don't even have proof of what you believe in. SMH. 1 Like |
Re: Can Mary Hear Our Prayers? by freecocoa(f): 4:05pm On Aug 21, 2015 |
achinaboy:The same can be said for my mum o, at a point I come dey wonder whether she forgot she has peeps on this side, till I discovered it was all jonzing. |
Re: Can Mary Hear Our Prayers? by Jeromejnr(m): 4:05pm On Aug 21, 2015 |
dmandy: calm down I am answering you guys. |
Re: Can Mary Hear Our Prayers? by italo: 4:06pm On Aug 21, 2015 |
dmandy: Don't be alarmed. The usually start to tell blatant lies when their falsehood is exposed. It's just one of their many tricks. Watch out for more. 1 Like |
Re: Can Mary Hear Our Prayers? by Jeromejnr(m): 4:06pm On Aug 21, 2015 |
italo: Utter confusion. |
Re: Can Mary Hear Our Prayers? by Jeromejnr(m): 4:08pm On Aug 21, 2015 |
dmandy: Yes you did when you told me on Jesus leading the Captivity captives and giving rewards that unbelievers also are rewarded. You asked me what rewards they got. |
Re: Can Mary Hear Our Prayers? by Jeromejnr(m): 4:12pm On Aug 21, 2015 |
italo: So Christians in heaven know Buhari is the president and they are talking about it? So they know one of their loved ones is sick with cancer and as a result instead of enjoying peace in heaven they are greived and busy crying out to God on His Throne. The Bible says "Jesus lives to make intercession for us and not the saints" |
Re: Can Mary Hear Our Prayers? by Nobody: 4:13pm On Aug 21, 2015 |
Jeromejnr:Waoh!!! that was what the scripture meant according to your own understanding. By the way what was your answer to the question...what reward did the rebellious get in Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell among them. Ps 68:18 Last time I checked, you avoided the question and others that followed. SMH |
Re: Can Mary Hear Our Prayers? by Jeromejnr(m): 4:14pm On Aug 21, 2015 |
italo: Why two of you dey console yourselves. So lets see If I am lying. Surely when Christ ascended he liberated the captives and gave gifts to all men (mind you both the rebellious) according to that passage. What gift could have been given to the rebellious. Thats from your brother. |
Re: Can Mary Hear Our Prayers? by Jeromejnr(m): 4:16pm On Aug 21, 2015 |
dmandy: I really don't understand what you just said now. I think your confusing yourself. Simplify the question. Okay! I get. You are trying to change mouth. And what question did I avoid? Let me answer you. |
Re: Can Mary Hear Our Prayers? by Jeromejnr(m): 4:20pm On Aug 21, 2015 |
dmandy: You assumed killing an ant is sin. Just like you assume out of scriptures that there is a purgatory. |
Re: Can Mary Hear Our Prayers? by Scholar8200(m): 4:23pm On Aug 21, 2015 |
Therefore He is able also to save to the uttermost (completely, perfectly, finally, and for all time and eternity) those who come to God through Him, since He is always living to make petition to God and intercede with Him and intervene for them.Hebrews 7:25 Who is there to condemn [us]? Will Christ Jesus (the Messiah), Who died, or rather Who was raised from the dead, Who is at the right hand of God actually pleading as He intercedes for us? Romans 8:34 And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Comforter (Counselor, Helper, Intercessor, Advocate, Strengthener, and Standby), that He may remain with you forever— John 14:16 From the above, we can objectively state that there is but One Who is our High Priest and Advocate before the Father-The Lord Jesus Christ!!! He that is able to receive this let him do so: the idea of supplicating to and through angels and saints was one of the errors the gnostics sought to contaminate the Church with and Paul, in Colossians exposed them! 3 Likes |
Re: Can Mary Hear Our Prayers? by Jeromejnr(m): 4:27pm On Aug 21, 2015 |
@italo and dmandy.. Look mehn. My ex-GF of few months ago was Catholic. And I discovered something, most of you are not been taught the word of God. I remembered one time we were praying and she started praying to Mary and I didn't say AMEN. Ans she told Mary to make herself known to me. Well till today I've not heard from or seen Mary. But you know what, before I started following Christ fully, someone did something like that but to Jesus on me and truly I encountered Jesus. I mean my ex-GF didn't even understand the gift of speaking in tongues. 1 Like |
Re: Can Mary Hear Our Prayers? by Jeromejnr(m): 4:29pm On Aug 21, 2015 |
Scholar8200: Tell them brother. The problem is humans are afraid to accept change. Especially if you were brought up in a particular lifestyle or teaching. So they just argue but they have no proof on what they argue about. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Can Mary Hear Our Prayers? by Nobody: 4:30pm On Aug 21, 2015 |
Jeromejnr: I didn't assume... for it is written thou shall not kill. so that when you kill, you have disobeyed that commandment) Listen to Jesus Himself Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him. You have killed even when you are angry... You my brother is the one who assumed that killing an ant is not a sin. Pray tell me where it is written (Kill all the ants and be rewarded in heaven). |
Re: Can Mary Hear Our Prayers? by Scholar8200(m): 4:31pm On Aug 21, 2015 |
Jeromejnr:Indeed! |
Re: Can Mary Hear Our Prayers? by italo: 4:31pm On Aug 21, 2015 |
Jeromejnr: The bold is your own man-made doctrine. Show me where the Bible said they just arrived heaven. What is clear is that they were saints in heaven and they knew the happenings on earth. Jeromejnr:In 2Thess2:15, St. Paul asks Christians to hold fast to traditions handed down by letter (Sacred Scripture) and by word of mouth (Sacred Tradition). So even the Bible tells us to go outside the Bible. Now can you show us where the Bible said Christian must not go outside the Bible? Hehehe. Jeromejnr: But I have given you proof of people in heaven who know about the happenings on earth. While you can't show me where the Bible says people in heaven cannot hear prayers...or that anything not written verbatim in the Bible is false...or that Christians should never go outside the bible. |
Re: Can Mary Hear Our Prayers? by Jeromejnr(m): 4:33pm On Aug 21, 2015 |
dmandy: So Jesus that killed a fish to eat and also ordered his disciples to catch fishes (the multitude of fish miracle) committed sin abi? Na wa o. See why I said your assuming. Think before you conclude on a matter. ChaI! My brodas and sistas abeg come see o. |
Re: Can Mary Hear Our Prayers? by Nobody: 4:33pm On Aug 21, 2015 |
There is only one HIGH priest Jesus, I believe that with all my heart and all my soul... and I can ask you my brother to [pray for me through the same high priest just like I can ask any other saint here on earth or in heaven with Christ to pray for me. Do you believe you are a saint? Scholar8200: |
Re: Can Mary Hear Our Prayers? by Scholar8200(m): 4:35pm On Aug 21, 2015 |
dmandy:Pls we are talking about asking a departed soul to intercede on our behalf; this is wrong and lacks any Scriptural basis whatsoever! |
Re: Can Mary Hear Our Prayers? by Nobody: 4:39pm On Aug 21, 2015 |
Jeromejnr: So you believe one can be taught the word of God, I say we are on the same page but just understanding. You prayed that Mary should make herself known to you... Well I think that is a wrong form of prayer and the Church does not teach that. Pray that God makes the Mother of the Lord known to you. And when you pray believe for God cannot be mocked. You prayed to receive the holy spirit and you did because you believed. That's the difference.... Jesus had the power to turn the stones into bread but won't bulge because the person asking was only mocking not praying. |
Re: Can Mary Hear Our Prayers? by clans(f): 4:39pm On Aug 21, 2015 |
BOWOTO:I asked for our blessed mother's intercession in an event and my request was granted.. That's how I know. Besides st Anthony of padua is never far away from my pleas |
Re: Can Mary Hear Our Prayers? by Nobody: 4:40pm On Aug 21, 2015 |
Jeromejnr: lol @ silly. Resorting to curse. That they may be one. I belong to Paul and I belong to Appolos. |
Re: Can Mary Hear Our Prayers? by Jeromejnr(m): 4:41pm On Aug 21, 2015 |
italo: Mehn! see as you just misconstrued the Word of God. Try reading all that verse in context "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle" 2 Thess 2:15. Traditions on the epistle and Word not catholic man made traditions. "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!" Gal 1:8. So my broda the Bible did not say go outside scriptures it said stick to the scriptures. In fact it even warns you. And also that those guys just made heaven: 1. The robes given to them. 2. It was chaos on earth and they were told to rest a little till the remaining come to join them. It common sense. BTW, that scripture has nothing to do with praying to saints. |
Re: Can Mary Hear Our Prayers? by italo: 4:43pm On Aug 21, 2015 |
Scholar8200: Only you can never show us where the Bible said it is wrong to ask them to intercede for us. |
Re: Can Mary Hear Our Prayers? by Jeromejnr(m): 4:44pm On Aug 21, 2015 |
dmandy: I didn't say I prayed for Mary to reveal herself. She did that. So until I believe before I see Mary? SMH. I know Muslims that didn't believe in Jesus but just asked Him to reveal Himself because they were asked to and He did. So has Mary helped you in any way? |
Re: Can Mary Hear Our Prayers? by Jeromejnr(m): 4:47pm On Aug 21, 2015 |
italo: You also show us scripture where it says we should not pray to the devil. And tell us why you don't pray to him. |
Re: Can Mary Hear Our Prayers? by italo: 4:55pm On Aug 21, 2015 |
Jeromejnr: New International Version So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter. New Living Translation With all these things in mind, dear brothers and sisters, stand firm and keep a strong grip on the teaching we passed on to you both in person and by letter. English Standard Version So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter. Berean Study Bible Therefore, brothers, stand firm and cling to the traditions we taught you, whether by speech or by letter The traditions taught by word of mouth are also to be followed. Gal1:8 even buttresses my point as not all that the apostles preached was recorded in the Bible. Now show me where the Bible said Christians should not go outside the Bible. The bible never said the martyrs had just arrived. Stop trying to force it. You still can't show me where the Bible says people in heaven cannot hear prayers...or that anything not written verbatim in the Bible is false. |
Re: Can Mary Hear Our Prayers? by Jeromejnr(m): 4:56pm On Aug 21, 2015 |
dmandy: Sometime it's necessary. Even though it's not a curse as you think it is. But anyways, Even Paul spoke more harshly to the Galatians. "O you Foolish Galatians....." I don't like doing anything outside of scriptures. |
Re: Can Mary Hear Our Prayers? by Scholar8200(m): 4:57pm On Aug 21, 2015 |
italo:Neither can you show us were the idea/practise was either encouraged or practised! Are you not adding to the Word then? Why? Nobody on earth ever implored Abraham, Moses, Enoch, Daniel,David,Mary, James (first to be martyred among the apostles), Stephen etc to intercede for them! In the prayers of Nehemiah (Nehemiah 1) and Daniel (Daniel 9) there is no resorting to Moses or Abraham to intercede for them! Meanwhile, you ascribe the High Priestly role of Jesus to another mortal! That is idolatry!! |
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