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| Sincere Question(s) To Christians! by Nobody: 6:33am On Aug 22, 2015 |
The genealogy of Jesus is mentioned in Matthew and Luke only. Matthew listed 26 forefathers from Joseph to David while Luke enumerated 41 forefathers. Only Joseph matches with Joseph in those two lists. Not a single other name matches! If these were inspired by God word by word, how could they be different? Some claim that one is for Mary and one is for Joseph, but where does it says Mary in those two Gospels? I still have some more questions! but let me start the simple one above. |
| Re: Sincere Question(s) To Christians! by DjAndroid: 6:37am On Aug 22, 2015 |
It does not concern me! All I know is that JESUS IS LORD! 2 Likes 2 Shares |
| Re: Sincere Question(s) To Christians! by ignis: 6:39am On Aug 22, 2015 |
DjAndroid:Gbam |
| Re: Sincere Question(s) To Christians! by Nobody: 6:40am On Aug 22, 2015 |
DjAndroid:alright bro if thats your refutal  |
| Re: Sincere Question(s) To Christians! by boboLIL(m): 6:47am On Aug 22, 2015 |
Jesus Christ is my personal Lord and Saviour 2 Likes |
| Re: Sincere Question(s) To Christians! by Uchan4u(m): 6:54am On Aug 22, 2015 |
lexiconkabir: The genealogy is not the important thing. What is important is that Jesus Christ died to save humanity from eternal damnation. On the third day He rose from the dead to show that He has triumphed over all. If u believe, u enjoy the benefits, if not u lose. Your believing is for ur good and not for His. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
| Re: Sincere Question(s) To Christians! by resty4(m): 6:57am On Aug 22, 2015 |
Islam is terrorism,mohammed is a looter,pervert,murder,imposter n d koran is jst compilatn by caliphates from abubakar to othman. 1 Like |
| Re: Sincere Question(s) To Christians! by Nobody: 7:15am On Aug 22, 2015 |
Uchan4u:rose at the third day right? alright, if thats your refutal |
| Re: Sincere Question(s) To Christians! by Nobody: 7:17am On Aug 22, 2015 |
resty4:@bolded, prove it! |
| Re: Sincere Question(s) To Christians! by Nobody: 7:18am On Aug 22, 2015 |
boboLIL:I see |
| Re: Sincere Question(s) To Christians! by Nobody: 7:33am On Aug 22, 2015 |
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| Re: Sincere Question(s) To Christians! by Scholar8200(m): 7:42am On Aug 22, 2015 |
Matthew gave the genealogy of Joseph while Luke gave the genealogy of Mary to save time, read through this thread: https://www.nairaland.com/2494362/why-jesus-genealogy-matthew-luke#36590310 |
| Re: Sincere Question(s) To Christians! by Nobody: 7:47am On Aug 22, 2015 |
Scholar8200:are you saying they came up with the geneology? 1 Like |
| Re: Sincere Question(s) To Christians! by Scholar8200(m): 7:51am On Aug 22, 2015 |
lexiconkabir:No! I mean from what you have studied so far. Let me refer you to this thread: https://www.nairaland.com/2494362/why-jesus-genealogy-matthew-luke#36590310 |
| Re: Sincere Question(s) To Christians! by Kei144(m): 8:02am On Aug 22, 2015 |
1Co. 2:2 For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. Ga. 5:6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love. 1 Like |
| Re: Sincere Question(s) To Christians! by menesheh(m): 8:16am On Aug 22, 2015 |
DjAndroid: how did know that Jesus is lord? all i know is that jesus lord, i know it and i know it cus i know. how did know that a rat in your house is lord? all i know is that the rat is Lord, i know it and i know it cos i know it. enjoy man  |
| Re: Sincere Question(s) To Christians! by Scholar8200(m): 8:26am On Aug 22, 2015 |
lexiconkabir:Assumptions that were backed with antecedents! You may proceed! |
| Re: Sincere Question(s) To Christians! by Nobody: 9:56am On Aug 23, 2015 |
Scholar8200:sorry! i was banned yesterday. let me proceed with my questions. how can a christian tell that holy spirit is in a person? cuz some claimed they had the spirit in them, and later on converted to other religion. your views pls |
| Re: Sincere Question(s) To Christians! by adewalker(m): 6:04pm On Aug 23, 2015 |
Uchan4u:. For a man that we muslims believe has no genealogy,a man born without a father,this bible writers who were 'INSPIRED' by God gives him 100 different grandfather,islam take offence to this kind of insult on this great prophet of God,and yet they say this bible is the word of God,quran 2:79"then woe to those who write the book with their own hands and say'this is from God'..." |
| Re: Sincere Question(s) To Christians! by Scholar8200(m): 8:17am On Aug 24, 2015 |
lexiconkabir:No problem! 1. Note that no level of grace/gift received from God renders our right to choose redundant. Meaning, a person with the Holy Spirit can still yield to the temptation to forsake Him. 2. The surest test of the Presence of the Holy Spirit in a person is to check if the word such a person preaches/ believes and practices agrees with God's Word and purposes. This was the measure given in both OT (Isaiah 8:20 and NT 1 John 4:1-3) |
| Re: Sincere Question(s) To Christians! by Nobody: 8:46am On Aug 24, 2015 |
@scholar2800, good morning! the answer you gave to the previous question has been noted, maybe i should number the following questions pls address them as they are numbered, they are related. (1)Christians claim that Jesus was God as they quote in John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God". This is John speaking and not Jesus. Also, the Greek word for the first occurrence of God is HOTHEOS which means "the God" or "God" with a capital "G", while the Greek word for its second occurrence is "TONTHEOS", which means "a god " or "god" with a small "g". Isn’t this dishonesty and inconsistency on the part of those translating the Greek Bible? ?...............(2) Isn’t such quotation in John 1:1 recognized by every Christian scholar of the Bible to have been written by a Jew named Philo Alexandria way before Jesus and John? |
| Re: Sincere Question(s) To Christians! by Scholar8200(m): 9:28am On Aug 24, 2015 |
lexiconkabir:Good morning! 1.No it isnt. I am not an expert in Greek but I perceive that style of writing was used to differentiate since a single sentence viz John 1:1 was going to have the word,'God' and there was need to differentiate from the One first mentioned. Now in the same John 1 in verse 18 Father was used hence that differentiation was no longer necessary: Consider the bolded Theon 18 Θεὸν 18 God 18 N-AMS 3762 [e] Adj-NMS 3708 [e] heōraken ἑώρακεν has seen V-RIA-3S 4455 [e] pōpote πώποτε ; ever yet Adv 3439 [e] monogenēs μονογενὴς [the] only-begotten Adj-NMS 2316 [e] Theos Θεὸς , God N-NMS 3588 [e] ho ὁ the [one] Art-NMS 1510 [e] ōn ὢν being V-PPA-NMS 1519 [e] eis εἰς in Prep 3588 [e] ton τὸν the Art-AMS 2859 [e] kolpon κόλπον bosom N-AMS 3588 [e] tou τοῦ of the Art-GMS 3962 [e] Patros Πατρὸς , Father N-GMS 1565 [e] ekeinos ἐκεῖνος he DPro-NMS 1834 [e] exēgēsato ἐξηγήσατο . has made [him] known V-AIM-3S http://biblehub.com/greek/eis_1519.htm 2. I am hearing that name for the first time however, Philo, born 25 BCE, does not have the Book of John listed among his works. Besides, te style of writing and mystical emphasis used by John in the gospel resonates in his later epistles 1,2&3 John and those were written to specific people mentioned by name at a time when Philo, died 50 BCE, was no more! |
| Re: Sincere Question(s) To Christians! by Nobody: 10:29am On Aug 24, 2015 |
scholar8200, your answer was noted, but why was it not translated as God and god respectively in the english verson of the bible as it is in the old greek manuscript? about philo, from a non-islamic site(wikipedia) i got this "Some scholars hold that his concept of the Logos as God's creative principle influenced early Christology. Other scholars, however, deny direct influence but say both Philo and Early Christianity borrow from a common source." you can get this at the fourth paragraph, when you search for philo alexandria's biography on wikipedia, which implies he used that style of writing(word 4 word) before the advent of jesus or john himself, how come john was "inspired" in writing the same thing? note: i never said he wrote the book of john, i said the style used in john1:1 was used(i even think invented) by philo way before john himself. |
| Re: Sincere Question(s) To Christians! by Scholar8200(m): 10:46am On Aug 24, 2015 |
lexiconkabir:Becasuse to do so would not be correct. Besides, John 1:18 quoted shows that the distinction used in vs 1 will not be necessary where the word, 'God' wont be recurring in one sentence. Other parts of the Gospels substantiate this. Like I said I don't know much about him but for one who lived btwn 25 BC-50 AD and perhaps witnessed Christ ministry first hand and met some of His disciples and many followers, I believe will be wrong to say he influenced them; rather he was influenced by that which was revealed. And scholars have always held divergent views and we can only prove or refute them from the Word! Besides, I found this of him in wikipedia: "Philo regards the Bible as the source not only of religious revelation, but also of philosophic truth; for, according to him, the Greek philosophers also have borrowed from the Bible: Heraclitus, according to "Quis Rerum Divinarum Heres Sit" § 43 [i. 503]; Zeno, according to "Quod Omnis Probus Liber," § 8 [ii. 454]. "Philo Judaeus: His Methods of Exegesis". Jewish Encyclopedia. 1901–1906." Meaning he neither authored nor influenced the Word. In spite of this, we dont know of his stance towards Christ hence I take the above with a pinch of salt.Why? Many pharisees/judaists held similar position but by the time Jesus came, they were more commited to their traditions than the Law and prophets. Any quotable proof of the highlighted? |
| Re: Sincere Question(s) To Christians! by tsdarkside(m): 6:40pm On Oct 11, 2015 |
DjAndroid: that white-jesus christ,can not be your lord...first of all: nobody can die for your sins....its impossible...everybody pays for his or her own sins,nobody can save you from that...the spirit world doesnt work that way.... |
| Re: Sincere Question(s) To Christians! by true2god: 7:01pm On Oct 11, 2015 |
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| Re: Sincere Question(s) To Christians! by DjAndroid: 10:30pm On Oct 11, 2015 |
tsdarkside: I still believe in Him. He is still my Lord! 1 Like 1 Share |
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