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Re: The Difference Between Hell, Sheol, Paradise And The Grave. by Jozzy4: 4:48pm On Aug 23, 2015 |
Lol , uv jump again , I can see you have no understanding of the jumbo you copy and paste @ OP JeromeJnr Read your bible , what happen on the mount Is a " VISION" Matt 17:9 This exist in Your imaginations .
Really ? How many christians actually pluck out their sinful eyes and throw it away . Meanwhile , check the underlined , our two eyes follow us into the grave ; its not casted into any imaginary hell. Dug the grave , and you will find it there
He is exactly what you call him @ bold , a rich MAN , not a rich ghost . " MAN is from the dust, and to dust MAN will return" , and if you think the guy is a spirit , TELL US : HOW COULD A SPIRIT HAVE TONGUE ? For what purpose ? Do they drink and thirst for water? Its high time you guys grab the meaning of Matthew 13:34,35 . |
Re: The Difference Between Hell, Sheol, Paradise And The Grave. by Jeromejnr(m): 4:59pm On Aug 23, 2015 |
Jozzy4: I think you are JW. So I have obviously been wasting time with you. ![]() What is the meaning of vision Mr. Man? So Jesus was communication with people that are expected to be soul sleeping? Ewoooo! Why didn't He just have a vision of an Angel or the Father appearing to Him? The word says Moses and Elijah talked with Him, but they were soul sleeping abi? How was it that Peter, James and John all saw Jesus's vision? So spirits do not have tongue, where did you get that? So right now God that is in heaven does not have a toungue abi? Angels are ministering spirits but they eat food.(for scripture says that the Israelites in the wilderness ate angels food which was manna) So without a toungue , how will they be able to taste food. Think before you make an argument. Make it hard for me to reply you man. |
Re: The Difference Between Hell, Sheol, Paradise And The Grave. by Jozzy4: 5:46pm On Aug 23, 2015 |
Jeromejnr: Jesus said its a "vision " matthew 17:9 , keep fighting it ? Lol , you dont know what a vision is ![]()
, chai ! Kindly show us a scripture that said God have tongue ? ![]()
Hehehehe , they have tongue , eat bread into the stomach , intestine and later shiit ? Manna, a material substance that decompose and breed worms is called Angels food bcoz its a " bread from heaven" john 6:31-33 , psalm 105:40 . |
Re: The Difference Between Hell, Sheol, Paradise And The Grave. by MuttleyLaff: 5:54pm On Aug 23, 2015 |
Jeromejnr:This isnt verse Mark 9:48 but rather it should be Mark 9:47 Not really wanting to do a Priscilla & Aquila-Apollos here nor rain on your parade #1) You have a good work here but you still ought to compare its contents with what I posted in the below link https://www.nairaland.com/1923809/lake-fire-hell-what-difference/1#34753696 #2) chikweezy is right, you seem to have taken the soul-sleeping concept too far #3) Jozzy4 is right, you seem not to understand how Jesus was using a hyperbole with Mark 9:48 #4) You're muddling up Sheol with Hell /Hades which is Greek mythology in origin and also muddling up Sheol with Gehenna which is a refuse dump site in Jerusalem #5) Jozzy4 is right about Matthew 13:34-35, as, Jesus was merely using these parables or Jerusalem's Gehenna or Abraham and Lazarus in Sheol, as allegories to get a message home. #6) See how Jozzy4 is about having a field day making mockery of what and how you posted it Lastly for now, food for thought. How were Moses and Elijah recognised by Peter, James or John They both existed hundred of years before Peter, James or John were born - point is, the spirit doesnt need physical mouth to eat, physical eyes to recognise Peter, James or John's spirit recognised Moses and Elijah, just like John the Baptist recognised Jesus when they both were in the womb |
Re: The Difference Between Hell, Sheol, Paradise And The Grave. by Jeromejnr(m): 6:25pm On Aug 23, 2015 |
Jozzy4: That was why I asked you, do you even know what a vision is? Do you know the types of visions? What is an open vision? What Is the difference between a night vision (dream like Daniel had) and an open vision like Peter had? Of course you don't cause you have a lot of learning to do. ![]() , chai ! Kindly show us a scripture that said God have tongue ? You kindly show us where it says spirits don't have toungues. Wow! I wonder how angels talk through their mouths or even God. Or you don't believe they have a mouth again bah? Lol. Or maybe even eyes to see or a head. I mean why take one out and leave the rest. ![]() Hehehehe , they have tongue , eat bread into the stomach , intestine and later shiit ? Okay so answer this question, since you believe in saints redeemed bodies in heaven after rapture. Since saints will be in their bodies, are they going to still be going to toilets in heaven? ![]() Manna, a material substance that decompose and breed worms is called Angels food bcoz its a " bread from heaven" john 6:31-33 , psalm 105:40 . So let me give you a final blow with the scriptures. ![]() 2Cor 12:3 "2I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago-- whether in the body I do not know, or out of the body I do not know, God knows-- such a man was caught up to the third heaven. 3And I know how such a man-- whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, God knows-- 4was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which a man is not permitted to speak.…" So the apostle Paul here says he was caught up into paradise, and he couldn't tell the difference if he was in his spirit form or not. Why? could it be that he acknowledged that the form of his spirit is in no way different from his flesh. (In having a toungue, leg, eyes e.t.c.) Did he say "hey guys, I know I was in my spirit form because I discovered I didn't have a toungue or a head" ![]() Heb 12:23 22But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, 23to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to[b] the spirits of the righteous made perfect[/b], 24and to Jesus, the mediator So I am sure you agree that this was written for people on the earth right. And the writer said when they come to mount Zion (to God's throne in prayer and worship by faith) that also you come to sprits of just men made perfect in heaven. Who are the men, definitely not angels right?. Or maybe the spirits are sleeping and unconscious in heaven. Eph 3:15 14For this reason I bow my knees before the Father, 15from whom every family in heaven and on earth derives its name, You agree we are one body in Christ all baptized in to name of Christ and the family(beloved). So who are the famies in heaven and also the ones on earth?. It can't be angels since they are not baptized into Christ's name. Heb 12:1 1Therefore, since we have so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us... If you read chapter 11 it talks of the men of faith who have gone before us. And the writer trying to encourage us says "see we have a cloud of witnesses cheering us as we run our race" well maybe they are just in the dust sleeping and the writer was tryna deceive us. Be learned my friend. |
Re: The Difference Between Hell, Sheol, Paradise And The Grave. by Jeromejnr(m): 6:29pm On Aug 23, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff: Enlighten yourself with this https://www.nairaland.com/2544404/difference-between-hell-sheol-paradise/1#37259527 I just answered some of your questions. |
Re: The Difference Between Hell, Sheol, Paradise And The Grave. by MuttleyLaff: 6:46pm On Aug 23, 2015 |
Jeromejnr:Are you a robot? If not why are ''Enlighten yourself with this'' repeating yourself after asking you to compare your content You've a habit which is just as bad as most of the chaps here |
Re: The Difference Between Hell, Sheol, Paradise And The Grave. by Jeromejnr(m): 7:11pm On Aug 23, 2015 |
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Re: The Difference Between Hell, Sheol, Paradise And The Grave. by MuttleyLaff: 7:20pm On Aug 23, 2015 |
Jeromejnr: Jeromejnr:[img]http://media4./media/mmRmDX9Y3Q7NS/200w.gif[/img] You've answered jack nothing, and by the way, I only asked you one question as in: Lastly for now, food for thought. How were Moses and Elijah recognised by Peter, James or John They both existed hundred of years before Peter, James or John were born - point is, the spirit doesnt need physical mouth to eat, physical eyes to recognise Peter, James or John's spirit recognised Moses and Elijah, just like John the Baptist recognised Jesus when they both were in the womb |
Re: The Difference Between Hell, Sheol, Paradise And The Grave. by Jeromejnr(m): 7:26pm On Aug 23, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff: What does this your question have to do with anything? What point are you trying to prove sef? BTW, its like you were a fan of the wacky races ![]() |
Re: The Difference Between Hell, Sheol, Paradise And The Grave. by MuttleyLaff: 7:48pm On Aug 23, 2015 |
Jeromejnr:It was how you brought Moses and Elijah in with soul ''sleeping'' Jeromejnr:Have you never thought about how Moses and Elijah was recognised by Peter, James or John? The point, actually is that though Peter, James or John saw Moses and Elijah Moses and Elijah didnt acknowledge nor were not conscious of them Those in the realm of the dead are not conscious of what is going in the land of living The rule was relaxed for Peter, James or John, to at the least see Moses and Elijah Apart from Jesus none of them were or had any interaction with Moses and Elijah Jeromejnr:I just like the mutt's sniggers as I like and enjoy laughing. Speedy Gonzales is more up my alley |
Re: The Difference Between Hell, Sheol, Paradise And The Grave. by Jeromejnr(m): 8:06pm On Aug 23, 2015 |
[quote author=MuttleyLaff post=37262000]It was how you brought Moses and Elijah in with soul ''sleeping'' The point, actually is that though Peter, James or John saw Moses and Elijah So how did you come up with the theory that Moses and Elijah were not conscious of them. But they were conscious of Jesus abi and talked with Him. Or was Jesus also a spirit at that time? What of Saul consulting the medium to bring up Samuel? Well Samuel spoke to Saul, and even told him what will happen to him. Why was he conscious of Saul and the woman was afraid. 1 sam 28 "Then the woman said, “Whom shall I bring up for you?” And he said, “Bring up Samuel for me.” 12 When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice; and the woman spoke to Saul, saying, “Why have you deceived me? For you are Saul.” 13 The king said to her, “Do not be afraid; but what do you see?.......” Samuel said, “Why then do you ask me, since the Lord has departed from you and has become your adversary? 17 The Lord has done accordingly as He spoke through me; for the Lord has torn the kingdom out of your hand and given it to your neighbor, to David. 18 As you did not obey the Lord and did not execute His fierce wrath on Amalek, so the Lord has done this thing to you this day. 19 Moreover the Lord will also give over Israel along with you into the hands of the Philistines, therefore tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. Indeed the Lord will give over the army of Israel into the hands of the Philistines!” "20 Then Saul immediately fell full length upon the ground and was very afraid because of the words of Samuel; also there was no strength in him, for he had eaten no food all day and all night. 21 The woman came to Saul and saw that he was terrified, and said to him," I just like the mutt's sniggers as I like and enjoy laughing. I was much more into top cat and Looney tunes. |
Re: The Difference Between Hell, Sheol, Paradise And The Grave. by MuttleyLaff: 8:12pm On Aug 23, 2015 |
Am waiting for you to tidy up your post before properly responding (i.e. you can do this by putting [/quote] at the end of ''...as recognised by Peter, James or John?'') You've goofed by bringing in Saul and the Witch of Endor in to this |
Re: The Difference Between Hell, Sheol, Paradise And The Grave. by chikweezy(m): 8:50pm On Aug 24, 2015 |
Yeaa...I think he has goofed too. He seems to have a knack for bringing in very unrelated events into an argument thereby complicating wat could have been a simple, straight4wrd issue I.e talking about Saul and Samuel, even moses and Elijah wia I have mentioned even with biblical ref that those guys neva died and so should definetly no fit into this kind of argument especially given the event of Elijahs demise stated explicitly in the bible(caught up they a chariot of fire) and even the fact that there is no record of moses being buried. OK let us look at this again how would those DAT died before Jesus be judged with the same standard as we born after Him - given dat dia was no Christ den to believe in, and the blood of goats and animals wia only used to atone for sins, not blotted out (paper over cracks). Don't you think dat the standard of their judgement will be different? Also, talking about pple going into their bodies after it has been mutilated. Like seriously, we are dust for Christ sake and d bible says we would return to dust. Therefore, the soul has no part to play with the dead body. Come to think of it, how will souls of men be in either paradise or hell (according to you) then later dey will go for judgement. That is not biblical in any way. Mind you, I am not a proponent of the soul-sleeping concept, however, among the several school of thought surrounding this understanding within the christendom, it seems the most plausible and biblical. I.e that man will only resurrect into eternal life and others following the white throne judgement into eternal damnation. Please think through this. MuttleyLaff: |
Re: The Difference Between Hell, Sheol, Paradise And The Grave. by Jeromejnr(m): 8:55pm On Aug 24, 2015 |
chikweezy: HeHe. |
Re: The Difference Between Hell, Sheol, Paradise And The Grave. by Jeromejnr(m): 9:00pm On Aug 24, 2015 |
chikweezy: Both of you should think on this. "In the resurrection, therefore, whose wife of the seven will she be? For they all had married her." But Jesus answered and said to them, "You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures nor the power of God. 30"For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.…But regarding the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God: 'I AM THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, AND THE GOD OF ISAAC, AND THE GOD OF JACOB '? He is not the God of the dead but of the living."… Words from the master Himself. Thank you. |
Re: The Difference Between Hell, Sheol, Paradise And The Grave. by Jeromejnr(m): 9:27pm On Aug 24, 2015 |
Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible |
Re: The Difference Between Hell, Sheol, Paradise And The Grave. by Jozzy4: 9:44pm On Aug 24, 2015 |
Jeromejnr: Dream indeed ![]() ![]()
Sorry, Show us the scripture that says, God a spirit being without flesh and blood have tongue ? |
Re: The Difference Between Hell, Sheol, Paradise And The Grave. by Jeromejnr(m): 10:23pm On Aug 24, 2015 |
Jozzy4: Hey! your dat ignorant guy. Where you disappear go?. as to your stupi.d question: Is 1:20 :"but if you resist and rebel, you will be devoured by the sword." For the mouth of the LORD has spoken." Or His mouth does not have a tongue again abi?. Ps 94:9 "Does he who fashioned the ear not hear? Does he who formed the eye not see?" So we see He has eyes, ears and a mouth. But according to you, He doesn't have a tongue abi?. My guy go sleep. It's night. |
Re: The Difference Between Hell, Sheol, Paradise And The Grave. by chikweezy(m): 8:52am On Aug 25, 2015 |
OK...it obvious dias no point again. You have taken so many scriptures at face value. May God help us. Jeromejnr: |
Re: The Difference Between Hell, Sheol, Paradise And The Grave. by Jeromejnr(m): 8:59am On Aug 25, 2015 |
chikweezy: Yes God will help us indeed. Next time anyone wants to talk or make a debate, bring up scriptures and not opinions. I guess since the scripture has a hidden meaning to it and it's not what Jesus meant. Shalom. |
Re: The Difference Between Hell, Sheol, Paradise And The Grave. by Jozzy4: 9:19am On Aug 25, 2015 |
Jeromejnr: Eeyah, very soon you will say God have intestines , kidney , pancreas and that he literally roar like a Lion . And at least since you have p*nis , he have too ! Guy you are commiting grave errors . Go and read up Anthropomorphic expressions. |
Re: The Difference Between Hell, Sheol, Paradise And The Grave. by Jeromejnr(m): 9:28am On Aug 25, 2015 |
Jozzy4: So your point is God does not have a tongue?. Why is it that most human beings, just prefer to act like they don't have the capacity to think? Why? Who knows, maybe your the type that swallows everything you hear from the pulpit. If they tell you swallow snake you will swallow snake. What point are you even trying to make sef for God's sake. What does this toungues issue have to do with anything. If not that the person I was debating with was just going round the world looking for something to say. I just with saw the thread you opened and I understood where the problem lies. Why don't you ask the Holy Sprit (that is if you believe in Him anyway) to help you in understanding His word. Chai! Na wa o. |
Re: The Difference Between Hell, Sheol, Paradise And The Grave. by Jozzy4: 9:38am On Aug 25, 2015 |
Jeromejnr: The same reason he doesnt have a p*nis or blood . You need to understand anthropomorphic expressions .
A rich MAN begs for physical water to cool HIS TONGUE . And you take that literally , whereas you know his tongue has been buried with him in the grave . You need to think . |
Re: The Difference Between Hell, Sheol, Paradise And The Grave. by Jeromejnr(m): 9:43am On Aug 25, 2015 |
Jozzy4: Okay, I have heard sir. Spirits don't have a tongue they just speak through *********(fill in the blank) The rich man's tongue was an expression for *******(fill in the blank) He had a mouth to beg but not a tongue. Yea I get. |
Re: The Difference Between Hell, Sheol, Paradise And The Grave. by MuttleyLaff: 8:29am On Aug 26, 2015 |
chikweezy:Dont mind him, bringing in familiar spirits into the mix chikweezy:Moses and Elijah both died bro. I can dig up a thread on which this Moses and Elijah subject was earlier explained. Or just thrawl through my posts to find it, otherwise it is for another day's explanation chikweezy:This is where we should be thankful that God is a Just God. He can be trusted to be have a listening ear as all make account of themselves, as well as be fair after considering all the evidences, circumstances etcerera He, by the way is going to be firm but fair Also all will have the FREE service of the best Advocate available , to argue individual cases for them chikweezy:''soul-sleeping concept'' means the soul is only conscious in the realm of the dead and not conscious of happenings going on in the land of the living There is nothing personal in ''eternal damnation'', it's just as there is nothing personal when at the end of day, you throw stale or out of date stuff from the kitchen into the rubbish can ''eternal damnation'' simply means permanent and irrevocable get rid off Jozzy4: chikweezy:May God help us indeed. Jeromejnr, similarly, as can be seen from the below excerpt, an earlier to VLadipo surely seems to be dreaming and taking this anthropomorphism of a thing too far VLadipo you seem to be taking the anthropomorphism and anthropopathism in the Bible literally To get biblical messages "understood", attribution of human form (e.g. noses, eyes, ears, etcetera) or other characteristics (e.g. smelling, seeing, watching etcetera) to beings (e.g. God) other than humans, is used in the Bible, often as a method of describing the moment or event with things/physical features we as humans relate to It's like when adults play with babies and they come down to the babies' level, by starting to do baby-talk, making speech-like sounds produced by babies. Adults dont talk like that but in want of communicate with the babies, they temporarily adopt this manner of talk, the babies can relate with As with the baby-talk above, views and interactions with God in the Bible, uses language of human personality, characteristics, features and activities to communicate with us Anyway, God is noncorporeal, so any anthropomorphism, anthropopathism or personifications used in the Bible or other literature is to make sure the communicated messages gets across understood Examples of Personification: 1) The long ARM of the law caught up with him 2) The moon WINKED at me through the clouds above 3) The car BECKONED me from across the showroom 4) The lagoon DANCED in the moonlight. 5) Tamedo didn't realize that opportunity WAS KNOCKING at his door 6) Time creeps up on you God has means or mechanisms to appreciate, approve etcetera, but they arent humanoid or physical in nature John 4:24 God is a SPIRIT: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth 1 Timothy 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, INVISIBLE, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen. https://www.nairaland.com/2493568/scriptures-expounded-lord-also-sense/1#36988951 |
Re: The Difference Between Hell, Sheol, Paradise And The Grave. by MuttleyLaff: 8:30am On Aug 26, 2015 |
Jozzy4:Like in the brief explanation above Jeromejnr:Haba, how you manage as, you're about rapidly falling from hand on this one bro Jozzy4:He doesnt understand that parables, hyperboles and anthropomorphism are used to get message across by ''painting pictures'', using exaggerations and using personifications to come down to a level we can relate with to understand the message Jeromejnr:''a mouth to beg but not a tongue'' please note, we dont always communicate with the mouth you know Or need the tongue to communicate. Sure you've heard of the phrase ''idi ti o nsọrọ''? Shey yansh get tongue ni? This ought to settle it for you bro Food for thought Jesus glorifed body after He resurrected? Remember it? John 20:26 A week later Jesus' disciples were again in the house, and Thomas was with them. Even though the doors were locked, Jesus stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!" |
Re: The Difference Between Hell, Sheol, Paradise And The Grave. by Jeromejnr(m): 8:34am On Aug 26, 2015 |
@ MuttleyLaff ...You were told by your Sunday school teachers it was a familiar spirit, we were all told. But if you had studied the scriptures, you would have known that a familiar spirit or an evil spirit cannot prophesy the future. They only know the past or the present. Go and study the book of Jeremiah. |
Re: The Difference Between Hell, Sheol, Paradise And The Grave. by Jozzy4: 8:50am On Aug 26, 2015 |
Jeromejnr: Sit down there , many people are contacting them everyday for the outcome of something they want to embark on , and they are getting answers . From that scripture , its clear that contacting spirit medium is good and real , infact One can decide to contact David Or Samuel and they will come up . Nice |
Re: The Difference Between Hell, Sheol, Paradise And The Grave. by Jeromejnr(m): 8:56am On Aug 26, 2015 |
Jozzy4: Well, I know folks that have gotten involved with such. And they don't get exact prophecies of things to come. The spirits only know what is happening. So you meam to tell me evil spirits have the power to forsee events? Now that is new. Even Tarot card readers or crystal ball gazers only focus on the past and the present. |
Re: The Difference Between Hell, Sheol, Paradise And The Grave. by MuttleyLaff: 9:28am On Aug 26, 2015 |
Jeromejnr:Sorry to burst your bubble I do, the Sunday schooling, myself to others this isnt a ''told by your Sunday school teachers'' case Now @Jeromejnr, were you not taught by the Spirit of Truth or did the Spirit of Truth not reveal to you that God ALLOWED the familiar spirit, to the relish & ''win lottery'' delight of the spirit, to prophesy? The witch was a 419, which is why she got the shock and fright of her life when an unexpected spirit and an actually talking one showed up Keep on digging yourself deeper in the ground you're stubbornly holed in Jeromejnr:Old boy, SMH, look at the questions you're asking. SMH (i.e. So you mean to tell me evil spirits have the power to forsee events?) Of course they dont get exact prophecies because they are merely using high technique guess works based on being familiar when the person and events surrounding the person's life etcetera but when God allows/permits it, they prophesy 100% correct Sometimes God allows them and/or false prophets to mis-prophesy and/or prophesy jargons |
Re: The Difference Between Hell, Sheol, Paradise And The Grave. by Jozzy4: 9:39am On Aug 26, 2015 |
Jeromejnr: Keep deluding yourself bro Act 16:16-19 , a servant girl that had the spirit of PRedIction , she predict future happenings perfectly that her masters made HUGE PROFIT from it . I pity ya . 1 Like |
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