adewalker:
. How is islam related to these religions u quoted

Islam is also a man made religion like all the others.

plaetton:

Now, again consider that universe has been chugging along for 14 billion yrs with or without a god.

And how did it all start 14 bilion years ago

Atheism is such a silly idea

buggaboo:



And how did it all start 14 bilion years ago

We have a theory, a fairly good theory, a working theory.
It is called the Big Bang Theory.

Have heard, read about it or studied it?

Now, let me warm you. Before you begin to attempt to refute the BBT, I urge you to study it very well and make sure you understand it.
Because, if you come here with ignorant knowledge of the big bang theory, then You will be surely flogged, like many many before you.

adewalker:
How is islam related to these religions u quoted

They are all myths.

plaetton:


Now, let me warm you. Before you begin to attempt to refute the BBT, I urge you to study it very well and make sure you understand it.
Because, if you come here with ignorant knowledge of the big bang theory, then You will be surely flogged, like many many before you.

I say let him try. He will either be convinced or you will leave him crying into his indomie.

plaetton:


We have a theory, a fairly good theory, a working theory.
It is called the Big Bang Theory.

Have heard, read about it or studied it?

Now, let me warm you. Before you begin to attempt to refute the BBT, I urge you to study it very well and make sure you understand it.
Because, if you come here with ignorant knowledge of the big bang theory, then You will be surely dflogged, like many many before you.

for sake of time, kindly give me an overview of the BBT.

what caused the big bang

Rilwayne001:
Loool... Christians turning atheists. Fake atheist BTW…

i was a muslim before,a well educated muslim from ilorin core and i can boldy say that all religions including islam are for weakling,religions are for those without observation instinct and poor sense of imagination...infact u dont need to read any book or listen to any arguments to see,all that is required is an observant and imaginative mind. Just like one immam said iq his books "the law is for you and the truth is for us(gnostics), what is for us is profane to the ears of non-initiates".. So stop talking as if its only christains that turn atheist.i av talked to plenty closet muslim cleric atheists...read about the growth of atheism in the arab countries...if arabs should eliminate their apostate laws,islam will disappear from there in less than 50years

buggaboo:


for sake of time, kindly give me an overview of the BBT.

what caused the big bang

Self existent energy, lying in potential, burst forth into space, expanded, cooled, condensed into matter, etc etc.
The rest is in your science text books.

We don't yet know what triggered the expansion. We would rather meticulously investigate rather than invoke magic to account for it.

onetrack:


I say let him try. He will either be convinced or you will leave him crying into his indomie.

LOL
He seems to have disappeared.
Perhaps you can help answer my last question.

I have just finished making my indomie.

BRIGHTRIVERS:
4 years now i've been sorrounded by friends that are atheist.Almost everyday we argue If actually there's God or not.I've always believed there's God,tho i've not seen him.But jst recently d points made by my atheist frnds keep ringging a strong bell in my mind and now i've missed Sunday service 4 about 4straight sundays and stil counting..now i'm begining to think there's no God up there.How do i get back on track?? i've received advices to quit d frndship with my atheist frnds,but that will not be healthy for my accademic life. Guys help!

# Rivers

Mr Man, if you know what is good for you, reduce your association with atheists and for God's sakes, stop all the ungodly and profitless arguments that do not edify either you or Christ. Evil companionship corrupts good manners. How can you allow unbelievers sway you, a child of God? Don't you know all power have been given unto you?

There is a God, there is heaven, and there is hell. Anyone who can sit down and say they don't exist is lost and only the mercy of God will open their eyes. However, God said "I will show mercy to whom I may show mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I may have compassion- Rom 9:15.

For God's sakes, you are on the road to perdition if you don't immediately cut off your association with your atheist friends and ask God for mercy and forgiveness.

There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.- Prov 14:12 (KJV)

Ishilove:

Mr Man, if you know what is good for you, reduce your association with atheists and for God's sakes, stop all the ungodly and profitless arguments that do not edify either you or Christ. Evil companionship corrupts good manners. How can you allow unbelievers sway you, a child of God? Don't you know all power have been given unto you?

There is a God, there is heaven, and there is hell. Anyone who can sit down and say they don't exist is lost and only the mercy of God will open their eyes. However, God said "I will show mercy to whom I may show mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I may have compassion- Rom 9:15.

For God's sakes, you are on the road to perdition is you don't immediately cut off your association with your atheist friends and ask God for mercy and forgiveness.

There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.- Prov 14:12 (KJV)

Milady,
Is there anything I can say or do to convince you or influence you to abandon your belief in the existence of the Sun?

If god is self evident, then why would association with atheists be a threat to his belief in god?

BRIGHTRIVERS:
4 years now i've been sorrounded by friends that are atheist.Almost everyday we argue If actually there's God or not.I've always believed there's God,tho i've not seen him.But jst recently d points made by my atheist frnds keep ringging a strong bell in my mind and now i've missed Sunday service 4 about 4straight sundays and stil counting..now i'm begining to think there's no God up there.How do i get back on track?? i've received advices to quit d frndship with my atheist frnds,but that will not be healthy for my accademic life. Guys help!

# Rivers

if u realy want to avoid the conflict going on inside you,all you av got to do is drop ur focus on reasoning things out and faith as per religion and just OBSERVE.. U will be amazed by how much/fast you learn by just watching/observing without any attachment, u will understand why u will see clearly by sitting in darkness...my friend dont try to take side cos there is no side atall.religion is nt bad and its certainly no good either,its just what it is.just like buddha said "enlightment is the end of suffering"when he is asked what next afta suffering ends,he said u gonna av to figure that out yourself

plaetton:


Self existent energy, lying in potential, burst forth into space, expanded, cooled, condensed into matter, etc etc.
The rest is in your science text books.

We don't yet know what triggered the expansion. We would rather meticulously investigate rather than invoke magic to account for it.

I don't think you even believe what you wrote up there.
Self existent energy? Really?

So it suddenly decided to burst forth?

Look, I am not here to argue against evolution or the big bang(thats for another day), but to suggest that time started itself is just silly.

Something or someone who doesnt obey the laws of the universe, designed the universe.

plaetton:

There are no such things as miracles.
This is trick word used to decieve little minds.

That you don't understand how something happened does not make it a miracle.

Some diseases go into remission without medical treatment. The human body is evolved to protect, repair and rebuild itself. Modern medicine only assists the body in doing these.
Also, The body also has 4.7billion yrs of evolutionary information stored in the genes, that make anything possible.

Prophets are conmen. Period.

Anyone who can tell the future should be able use such knowledge to help all of humanity in avoiding Wars, disease epidemics, natural dissasters, even financial and economic dissasters.

And to add to this... Let this so called miracles workers who awed him with fake prophecies tell us where chibok girls are at the moment and when and where then next bomb will land so that we can save thousands of lives.

Ishilove:

Anyone who can sit down and say they don't exist is lost and only the mercy of God will open their eyes. However, God said "I will show mercy to whom I may show mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I may have compassion- Rom 9:15.

he shows mercy to only those he wish and misguide those he doesnt wish to show mercy to and still blame them then create hellfire for those he didnt show guidance towards..whats wrong with this picture!!!!

plaetton:


Milady,
Is there anything I can say or do to convince you or influence you to abandon your belief in the existence of the Sun?

If god is self evident, then why would association with atheists be a threat to his belief in god?

Good question.

buggaboo:


I don't think you even believe what you wrote up there.
Self existent energy? Really?

So it suddenly decided to burst forth?

Look, I am not here to argue against evolution or the big bang(thats for another day), but to suggest that time started itself is just silly.

Something or someone who doesnt obey the laws of the universe, designed the universe.

@bolded

That's like trying to prove Hitler invented the church

Ishilove:

Mr Man, if you know what is good for you, reduce your association with atheists and for God's sakes, stop all the ungodly and profitless arguments that do not edify either you or Christ. Evil companionship corrupts good manners. How can you allow unbelievers sway you, a child of God? Don't you know all power have been given unto you?

There is a God, there is heaven, and there is hell. Anyone who can sit down and say they don't exist is lost and only the mercy of God will open their eyes. However, God said "I will show mercy to whom I may show mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I may have compassion- Rom 9:15.

For God's sakes, you are on the road to perdition is you don't immediately cut off your association with your atheist friends and ask God for mercy and forgiveness.

There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.- Prov 14:12 (KJV)

If god is self evident, then why would association with atheists be a threat to his belief in god?

buggaboo:


I don't think you even believe what you wrote up there.
Self existent energy? Really?

So it suddenly decided to burst forth?

Look, I am not here to argue against evolution or the big bang(thats for another day), but to suggest that time started itself is just silly.

Something or someone who doesnt obey the laws of the universe, designed the universe.

And to suggest that you invisible God started all by himself is not equally silly? Smh

buggaboo:




Look, I am not here to argue against evolution or the big bang(thats for another day), but to suggest that time started itself is just silly.

Something or someone who doesnt obey the laws of the universe, designed the universe.

Big big lol.
You guys never ever cease to shock me.

I cannot believe, that after you called my post silly, that you would double down on the silliness by making such a stupendously SILLY statement that someone or something, who doesn't obey the laws of the universe, designed the universe.

I am stupified.

frank317:


And to suggest that you invisible God started all by himself is not equally silly? Smh

It shocks me that they never ever see the glaring contradiction.

plaetton:


Big big lol.
You guys never ever cease to shock me.

I cannot believe, that after you called my post silly, that you would double down on the silliness by making such a stupendously SILLY statement that someone or something, who doesn't obey the laws of the universe, designed the universe.

I am stupified.

Lol.. Ask him where he got that special info and he will start preaching jargons from the most contradictory book... The bible. Yet at the end of the day he will fail to say how he knew Yahweh dosent obey the law of the universe, but must be loving, jealous, kind, just, judgmental and prone to anger. Yahweh who doesn't obey the laws of the universe loves sacrifice, worship and punish sinners.

Are these traits outside the universe?

plaetton:


Big big lol.
You guys never ever cease to shock me.

I cannot believe, that after you called my post silly, that you would double down on the silliness by making such a stupendously SILLY statement that someone or something, who doesn't obey the laws of the universe, designed the universe.

I am stupified.

Ehmm, it is called deduction.

Since you have refused to give me a meaningful explaination of how the universe started, and I cannot find one myself, it only makes sense to accept that something outside of the laws of the universe is responsible. Whatever name you choose to call that thing is up to you.

The agnostics atleast accept this but I just dont understand you atheists.

Ishilove:

Mr Man, if you know what is good for you, reduce your association with atheists and for God's sakes, stop all the ungodly and profitless arguments that do not edify either you or Christ. Evil companionship corrupts good manners. How can you allow unbelievers sway you, a child of God? Don't you know all power have been given unto you?

There is a God, there is heaven, and there is hell. Anyone who can sit down and say they don't exist is lost and only the mercy of God will open their eyes. However, God said "I will show mercy to whom I may show mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I may have compassion- Rom 9:15.

For God's sakes, you are on the road to perdition is you don't immediately cut off your association with your atheist friends and ask God for mercy and forgiveness.

There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.- Prov 14:12 (KJV)

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beejaay:
i was a muslim before,a well educated muslim from ilorin core and i can boldy say that all religions including islam are for weakling,religions are for those without observation instinct and poor sense of imagination...infact u dont need to read any book or listen to any arguments to see,all that is required is an observant and imaginative mind. Just like one immam said iq his books "the law is for you and the truth is for us(gnostics), what is for us is profane to the ears of non-initiates".. So stop talking as if its only christains that turn atheist.i av talked to plenty closet muslim cleric atheists...read about the growth of atheism in the arab countries...if arabs should eliminate their apostate laws,islam will disappear from there in less than 50years

. If u were a muslim who read the quran u would never be an atheist,as for the big bang theory,God already revealed this to prophet mohammad 1400 years ago,this verse was not meant for those arabs to ponder on,rather God was speaking to the 21st century man,who went to the space and discovered the earth must have been made through a big bang,so God revealed 1400 years ago quran 21:30"do not the unbelievers see that the heavens and earth were joined together,before We cleft them asunder?we made from water every living thing,will they not then believe",God already told us the big bang in the quran,mohammad would never have known this,so who then told him this? The quran answers that "he has been taught(this quran) by the One mighty in power"quran 53:5...

Ishilove:

Mr Man, if you know what is good for you, reduce your association with atheists and for God's sakes, stop all the ungodly and profitless arguments that do not edify either you or Christ. Evil companionship corrupts good manners. How can you allow unbelievers sway you, a child of God? Don't you know all power have been given unto you?

There is a God, there is heaven, and there is hell. Anyone who can sit down and say they don't exist is lost and only the mercy of God will open their eyes. However, God said "I will show mercy to whom I may show mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I may have compassion- Rom 9:15.

For God's sakes, you are on the road to perdition is you don't immediately cut off your association with your atheist friends and ask God for mercy and forgiveness.

There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.- Prov 14:12 (KJV)

Thnx 4 ur Advice brother.

BRIGHTRIVERS:
If i may ask Do u believe there's God? No u don't right? ..sorry can u share your facts?

Fact that there is no god? I cannot disprove something that never existed. No one has seen god or heard from a god. If there were a God,it is me.

Have you ever tried praying and actually gotten an answer to that prayer? Please be honest! Most of the time people pray,its because they are stuck on a problem they do not know how to solve.

If you look closely at the history of gods in human history,there have been thousands. The term "god" has been recycled throughout human history from Egypt to Babylon and African god,now all put together as the bible god which is also a lie.

The Bible is a tool use for oppression and a shield used by the guilty to protect themselves. Throughout history the bible has been used to sanction rape,slavery,murder all in the name of a god and when the rich are in trouble they use it to defend themselves.

Heaven which is supposedly the home of this imaginary god is fabricated and Photoshopped. Ask any christian to describe heaven then see different imaginations at work.

buggaboo:


Ehmm, it is called deduction.

Since you have refused to give me a meaningful explaination of how the universe started, and I cannot find one myself, it only makes sense to accept that something outside of the laws of the universe is responsible. Whatever name you choose to call that thing is up to you.

The agnostics atleast accept this but I just dont understand you atheists.

Lol.
Since we are dealing with hypothesis here, let me also deduce that it was most likely something or someone who obeys the laws of the universe that could have designed and created that other something or someone that supposedly created the universe.

How is that for a deduction?

Ishilove:

Mr Man, if you know what is good for you, reduce your association with atheists and for God's sakes, stop all the ungodly and profitless arguments that do not edify either you or Christ. Evil companionship corrupts good manners. How can you allow unbelievers sway you, a child of God? Don't you know all power have been given unto you?

There is a God, there is heaven, and there is hell. Anyone who can sit down and say they don't exist is lost and only the mercy of God will open their eyes. However, God said "I will show mercy to whom I may show mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I may have compassion- Rom 9:15.

For God's sakes, you are on the road to perdition is you don't immediately cut off your association with your atheist friends and ask God for mercy and forgiveness.

There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.- Prov 14:12 (KJV)

if he choose not to show mercy on me that means i am doomed for hell?
lol such a loVing God. i cant serue such God that is if he eVen exist

This is nice..

CaptainJune:
BRIGHTRIVERS and Youngpol,
have you read the stories of the following former atheists who died and why they gave their lives to Christ?


Thomas Welch. He fell from a great height and died instantly.

Howard Storm. Had a fatal disease and died after a nurse told him that a surgeon could not be found that day to treat him even though she expressed hope that one would be found the next day.

Ian McCormack. He went swimming with some friends in Mauritius, was stung by a box-jellyfish and died later.

Dr Eben Alexander. A neurosurgeon and atheist. Went into three weeks of coma when he succumbed to meningitis. All that time in coma, his brain was dead, yet he had consciousness.

These are just a few but are eye openers to let you know that atheists bask in ignorance, that is, until they come face to face with reality, especially through death, and all their argument against God's existence crumble into pieces.

Of course, there are former atheists who didn't need death to convince them of the truth in the Bible, but who can win an argument against death?

I have seen devotees/believers/faithfuls on sick bed alongside their loved ones
(while hospitalized) pray without season for the intervention of God...its so sad how these stories end.

I have seen servant/anointed men of God die in manner that are too incomprehensible to be told

I have also seen/heard how faithfuls while worshiping their God in worship houses were attacked and butchered.

If the way and manner of cessation of life of the above atheists wass what authenticated ur conviction, then it seems uve got so many wrong ideas about yourself and God(if He exist).