JeromeJnr

Okay,
Does it make sense to you that after Moses and Elijah
appeared to Jesus on the mount

and later Jesus rose up
From the grave, that God went and told them in Paradise
that
"Okay, guys, Jesus has paid the price, now I want all of
you to leave here and go and sleep in your bodies in the
Grave (that is if their bodies where not totally mutilated)
till the day He comes back to the earth" I mean why
don't He just leave them to continue enjoying?

If there is no fire in hell, then why did Jesus say:
Mark 9:48 "If your eye causes you to stumble, throw it
out; it is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with
one eye, than, having two eyes, to be cast into hell,
Where THEIR WORM DOES NOT DIE, AND THE FIRE
IS NOT QUENCHED. "For everyone will be salted with
fire.…"

Why did Abraham tell the rich man who was in hell
About Moses and other prophets who where on earth at
the time preaching to people?
I mean this guy is in hell burning right, and he wants
someone to go up there and preach to his brothers who
are on earth. So tell me, will you be able to preach after
the final judgment when souls have been thrown into the
lake of fire?.
And Jesus Himself is the one that tells this story.
Think man, think.

Jozzy4:
Lol , uv jump again , I can see you have no understanding of the jumbo you copy and paste @ OP


Read your bible , what happen on the mount Is a " VISION" Matt 17:9


This exist in Your imaginations .



Really ? How many christians actually pluck out their sinful eyes and throw it away .

Meanwhile , check the underlined , our two eyes follow us into the grave ; its not casted into any imaginary hell.

Dug the grave , and you will find it there



Why did Abraham tell the rich man who was in hell
about Moses and other prophets who where on earth at
the time preaching to people?
I mean this guy is in hell burning right, and he wants
someone to go up there and preach to his brothers who
are on earth. So tell me, will you be able to preach after
the final judgment when souls have been thrown into the
lake of fire?.
And Jesus Himself is the one that tells this story.
Think man, think.


He is exactly what you call him @ bold , a rich MAN , not a rich ghost .

" MAN is from the dust, and to dust MAN will return" , and if you think the guy is a spirit , TELL US : HOW COULD A SPIRIT HAVE TONGUE ? For what purpose ? Do they drink and thirst ?

Its high time you guys grab the meaning of Matthew 13:34,35 .

Jeromejnr:

What is the meaning of vision Mr. Man?


The word says Moses and Elijah talked with Him, but they were soul sleeping abi?

How was it that Peter, James and John all saw Jesus's vision?

So spirits do not have tongue, where did you get that? So right now God that is in heaven does not have a toungue abi?

Angels are ministering spirits but they eat food.(for scripture says that the Israelites in the wilderness ate angels food which was manna) So without a toungue , how will they be able to taste food.

Jeromejnr:
Mark 9:48 "If your eye causes you to stumble, throw it out; it is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, than, having two eyes, to be cast into hell, where THEIR WORM DOES NOT DIE, AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED. "For everyone will be salted with fire.…

Jozzy4:


Jesus said its a "vision " matthew 17:9 , keep fighting it ? Lol , you dont know what a vision is

, chai ! Kindly show us a scripture that said God have tongue ?

Hehehehe , they have tongue , eat bread into the stomach , intestine and later shiit ?

Manna, a material substance that decompose and breed worms is called Angels food bcoz its a " bread from heaven" john 6:31-33 , psalm 105:40 .

MuttleyLaff:
This isnt verse Mark 9:48 but rather it should be Mark 9:47

Not really wanting to do a Priscilla & Aquila-Apollos here nor rain on your parade
#1) You have a good work here but you still ought to compare its contents with what I posted in the below link
https://www.nairaland.com/1923809/lake-fire-hell-what-difference/1#34753696

#2) chikweezy is right, you seem to have taken the soul-sleeping concept too far
#3) Jozzy4 is right, you seem not to understand how Jesus was using a hyperbole with Mark 9:48
#4) You're muddling up Sheol with Hell /Hades which is Greek mythology in origin
and also muddling up Sheol with Gehenna which is a refuse dump site in Jerusalem
#5) Jozzy4 is right about Matthew 13:34-35,
as, Jesus was merely using these parables or Jerusalem's Gehenna or Abraham and Lazarus in Sheol, as allegories to get a message home.
#6) See how Jozzy4 is about having a field day making mockery of what and how you posted it

Lastly for now, food for thought.
How were Moses and Elijah recognised by Peter, James or John
They both existed hundred of years before Peter, James or John were born
- point is, the spirit doesnt need physical mouth to eat, physical eyes to recognise
Peter, James or John's spirit recognised Moses and Elijah,
just like John the Baptist recognised Jesus when they both were in the womb

Jeromejnr:
Enlighten yourself with this
https://www.nairaland.com/2544404/difference-between-hell-sheol-paradise/1#37259527

MuttleyLaff:
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Are you a robot?
If not why are ''Enlighten yourself with this'' repeating yourself after asking you to compare your content
You've a habit which is just as bad as most of the chaps here

Jeromejnr:

Jeromejnr:
I just answered some of your questions.

MuttleyLaff:


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You've answered jack nothing, and by the way, I only asked you one question
as in:
Lastly for now, food for thought.
How were Moses and Elijah recognised by Peter, James or John
They both existed hundred of years before Peter, James or John were born
- point is, the spirit doesnt need physical mouth to eat, physical eyes to recognise
Peter, James or John's spirit recognised Moses and Elijah,
just like John the Baptist recognised Jesus when they both were in the womb

Jeromejnr:
What does this your question have to do with anything?

Jeromejnr:
What point are you trying to prove sef?

Jeromejnr:
BTW, its like you were a fan of the wacky races .

[quote author=MuttleyLaff post=37262000]It was how you brought Moses and Elijah in with soul ''sleeping''

Have you never thought about how Moses and Elijah was recognised by Peter, James or John?

The point, actually is that though Peter, James or John saw Moses and Elijah
Moses and Elijah didnt acknowledged nor were not conscious of them
Those in the realm of the dead are not conscious of what is going in the land of living
The rule was relaxed for Peter, James or John, to at the least see Moses and Elijah
Apart from Jesus none of them were or had any interaction with Moses and Elijah

I just like the mutt's sniggers as I like and enjoy laughing.
Speedy Gonzales is more up my alley

MuttleyLaff:
Am waiting for you to tidy up your post before properly responding
(i.e. you can do this by putting at the end of ''...as recognised by Peter, James or John?'')
You've goofed by bringing in Saul and the Witch of Endor in to this

chikweezy:
Yeaa...I think he has goofed too. He seems to have a knack for bringing in very unrelated events into an argument thereby complicating wat could have been a simple, straight4wrd issue I.e talking about Saul and Samuel, even moses and Elijah wia I have mentioned even with biblical ref that those guys neva died and so should definetly no fit into this kind of argument especially given the event of Elijahs demise stated explicitly in the bible(caught up they a chariot of fire) and even the fact that there is no record of moses being buried. OK let us look at this again how would those DAT died before Jesus be judged with the same standard as we born after Him - given dat dia was no Christ den to believe in, and the blood of goats and animals wia only used to atone for sins, not blotted out (paper over cracks). Don't you think dat the standard of their judgement will be different? Also, talking about pple going into their bodies after it has been mutilated. Like seriously, we are dust for Christ sake and d bible says we would return to dust. Therefore, the soul has no part to play with the dead body. Come to think of it, how will souls of men be in either paradise or hell (according to you) then later dey will go for judgement. That is not biblical in any way.
Mind you, I am not a proponent of the soul-sleeping concept, however, among the several school of thought surrounding this understanding within the christendom, it seems the most plausible and biblical. I.e that man will only resurrect into eternal life and others following the white throne judgement into eternal damnation. Please think through this.

chikweezy:
Yeaa...I think he has goofed too. He seems to have a knack for bringing in very unrelated events into an argument thereby complicating wat could have been a simple, straight4wrd issue I.e talking about Saul and Samuel, even moses and Elijah wia I have mentioned even with biblical ref that those guys neva died and so should definetly no fit into this kind of argument especially given the event of Elijahs demise stated explicitly in the bible(caught up they a chariot of fire) and even the fact that there is no record of moses being buried. OK let us look at this again how would those DAT died before Jesus be judged with the same standard as we born after Him - given dat dia was no Christ den to believe in, and the blood of goats and animals wia only used to atone for sins, not blotted out (paper over cracks). Don't you think dat the standard of their judgement will be different? Also, talking about pple going into their bodies after it has been mutilated. Like seriously, we are dust for Christ sake and d bible says we would return to dust. Therefore, the soul has no part to play with the dead body. Come to think of it, how will souls of men be in either paradise or hell (according to you) then later dey will go for judgement. That is not biblical in any way.
Mind you, I am not a proponent of the soul-sleeping concept, however, among the several school of thought surrounding this understanding within the christendom, it seems the most plausible and biblical. I.e that man will only resurrect into eternal life and others following the white throne judgement into eternal damnation. Please think through this.

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible

He is not the God of the dead,.... This is our Lord's reasoning upon the passage; showing from hence, that since God is the God of these persons, they must be now alive in their souls, for God is not the God of the dead.......

.....ye therefore do greatly err; signifying, that it was not a slight mistake, an error of small importance, but a very great one; inasmuch as it was contrary to the Scriptures, and derogated from the power of God, and destroyed that covenant interest, which God has in his people......

Jeromejnr:


That was why I asked you, do you even know what a vision is? Do you know the types of visions? What is an open vision? What Is the difference between a night vision (dream like Daniel had) and an open vision like Peter had? Of course you don't cause you have a lot of learning to do.

You kindly show us where it says spirits don't have toungues. Wow! I wonder how angels talk through their mouths or even God. Or you don't believe they have a mouth again bah? Lol. Or maybe even eyes to see or a head. I mean why take one out and leave the rest.





Okay so answer this question, since you believe in saints redeemed bodies in heaven after rapture. Since saints will be in their bodies, are they going to still be going to toilets in heaven? . Oh, they have a soakaway/cesspit in heaven. (Wow, I can see how smart you are). Can you see how you turned on yourself.



So let me give you a final blow with the scriptures. . If you like twist it again.

2Cor 12:3
"2I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago-- whether in the body I do not know, or out of the body I do not know, God knows-- such a man was caught up to the third heaven. 3And I know how such a man-- whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, God knows-- 4was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which a man is not permitted to speak.…"

So the apostle Paul here says he was caught up into paradise, and he couldn't tell the difference if he was in his spirit form or not. Why? could it be that he acknowledged that the form of his spirit is in no way different from his flesh. (In having a toungue, leg, eyes e.t.c.) Did he say "hey guys, I know I was in my spirit form because I discovered I didn't have a toungue or a head" . Or I guess you have more revelations than Apostle Paul...maybe you can enlighten us.

Heb 12:23
22But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, 23to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to[b] the spirits of the righteous made perfect[/b], 24and to Jesus, the mediator

So I am sure you agree that this was written for people on the earth right. And the writer said when they come to mount Zion (to God's throne in prayer and worship by faith) that also you come to sprits of just men made perfect in heaven. Who are the men, definitely not angels right?. Or maybe the spirits are sleeping and unconscious in heaven.

Eph 3:15
14For this reason I bow my knees before the Father, 15from whom every family in heaven and on earth derives its name,

You agree we are one body in Christ all baptized in to name of Christ and the family(beloved). So who are the famies in heaven and also the ones on earth?. It can't be angels since they are not baptized into Christ's name.

Heb 12:1
1Therefore, since we have so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us...

If you read chapter 11 it talks of the men of faith who have gone before us. And the writer trying to encourage us says "see we have a cloud of witnesses cheering us as we run our race" well maybe they are just in the dust sleeping and the writer was tryna deceive us.

Be learned my friend.

Jozzy4:


Dream indeed






Sorry,

Show us the scripture that says, God a spirit being without flesh and blood have tongue ?

Jeromejnr:


Both of you should think on this.

"In the resurrection, therefore, whose wife of the seven will she be? For they all had married her." But Jesus answered and said to them, "You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures nor the power of God. 30"For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.…But regarding the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God: 'I AM THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, AND THE GOD OF ISAAC, AND THE GOD OF JACOB '? He is not the God of the dead but of the living."…

Words from the master Himself.

Thank you.

chikweezy:
OK...it obvious dias no point again. You have taken so many scriptures at face value.
May God help us.

Jeromejnr:


Hey! your dat ignorant guy. Where you disappear go?.

as to your stupi.d question:

Is 1:20 :"but if you resist and rebel, you will be devoured by the sword." For the mouth of the LORD has spoken."

Or His mouth does not have a tongue again abi?.

Ps 94:9 "Does he who fashioned the ear not hear? Does he who formed the eye not see?"

So we see He has eyes, ears and a mouth. But according to you, He doesn't have a tongue abi?.

My guy go sleep. It's night.

Jozzy4:

Eeyah, very soon you will say God have intestines , kidney , pancreas and that he literally roar like a Lion . And at least since you have p*nis , he have too ! Guy you are commiting grave errors .

Go and read up Anthropomorphic expressions.

Jeromejnr:


So your point is God does not have a tongue?.

What point are you even trying to make sef for God's sake. What does this toungues issue have to do with anything. If not that the person I was debating with was just going round the world looking for something to say.

Jozzy4:


The same reason he doesnt have a p*nis or blood . You need to understand anthropomorphic expressions .




A rich MAN begs for physical water to cool HIS TONGUE .

And you take that literally , whereas you know his tongue has been buried with him in the grave .

You need to think .

chikweezy:
Yeaa...I think he has goofed too. He seems to have a knack for bringing in very unrelated events into an argument thereby complicating wat could have been a simple, straight4wrd issue i.e talking about Saul and Samuel

chikweezy:
even Moses and Elijah wia I have mentioned even with biblical ref that those guys neva died and so should definetly no fit into this kind of argument especially given the event of Elijahs demise stated explicitly in the bible(caught up they a chariot of fire) and even the fact that there is no record of moses being buried. OK let us look at this again how would those DAT died before Jesus be judged with the same standard as we born after Him - given dat dia was no Christ den to believe in, and the blood of goats and animals wia only used to atone for sins, not blotted out (paper over cracks)

chikweezy:
Don't you think dat the standard of their judgement will be different?

chikweezy:
Also, talking about pple going into their bodies after it has been mutilated. Like seriously, we are dust for Christ sake and d bible says we would return to dust. Therefore, the soul has no part to play with the dead body. Come to think of it, how will souls of men be in either paradise or hell (according to you) then later dey will go for judgement. That is not biblical in any way./quote]Bro, it is 110% biblical, please make no mistake of that
You do know that ''the life of the flesh/body is in the blood, and that the life of the SOUL is in the spirit/breath?
Also you surely have read if not yet in the bible, at least on this thread,
about ''people having the power to kill the body but God has the power to kill both body and soul''

[quote author=chikweezy post=37297231]Mind you, I am not a proponent of the soul-sleeping concept, however, among the several school of thought surrounding this understanding within the christendom, it seems the most plausible and biblical. i.e that man will only resurrect into eternal life and others following the white throne judgement into eternal damnation. Please think through this.

Jozzy4:
Dream indeed

Sorry,

Show us the scripture that says, God a spirit being without flesh and blood have tongue ?

chikweezy:
OK...it obvious dias no point again. You have taken so many scriptures at face value.
May God help us.

Jozzy4:
Eeyah, very soon you will say God have intestines, kidney, pancreas and that he literally roar like a Lion . And at least since you have p*nis , he have too! Guy you are commiting grave errors .

Go and read up Anthropomorphic expressions.

Jeromejnr:
So your point is God does not have a tongue?.

Why is it that most human beings, just prefer to act like they don't have the capacity to think?

Why?

Who knows, maybe your the type that swallows everything you hear from the pulpit.
If they tell you swallow snake you will swallow snake.

What point are you even trying to make sef for God's sake. What does this toungues issue have to do with anything.
If not that the person I was debating with was just going round the world looking for something to say.

I just with saw the thread you opened and I understood where the problem lies. Why don't you ask the Holy Sprit (that is if you believe in Him anyway) to help you in understanding His word.

Chai! Na wa o.

Jozzy4:
The same reason he doesnt have a p*nis or blood.
You need to understand anthropomorphic expressions

A rich MAN begs for physical water to cool HIS TONGUE .

And you take that literally, whereas you know his tongue has been buried with him in the grave .

You need to think.

Jeromejnr:
Okay, I have heard sir. Spirits don't have a tongue they just speak through *********(fill in the blank)

The rich man's tongue was an expression for *******(fill in the blank)

He had a mouth to beg but not a tongue.

Yea I get.

Jeromejnr:
@ MuttleyLaff ...You were told by your Sunday school teachers it was a familiar spirit, we were all told.

But if you had studied the scriptures, you would have known that a familiar spirit or an evil
spirit cannot prophesy the future.

They only know the past or the present.

Go and study the book of Jeremiah.

Jozzy4:


Sit down there , many people are contacting them everyday for the outcome of something they want to embark on , and they are getting answers .

From that scripture , its clear that contacting spirit medium is good and real , infact One can decide to contact David Or Samuel and they will come up . Nice

Jeromejnr:
@ MuttleyLaff ...You were told by your Sunday school teachers it was a familiar spirit, we were all told.

But if you had studied the scriptures, you would have known that a familiar spirit or an evil
spirit cannot prophesy the future.

They only know the past or the present.

Go and study the book of Jeremiah.

Jeromejnr:
Well, I know folks that have gotten involved with such.
And they don't get exact prophecies of things to come.

The spirits only know what is happening. So you mean to tell me evil spirits have the power to forsee events?

Now that is new. Even Tarot card readers or crystal ball gazers only focus on the past and the present.

Jeromejnr:


Well, I know folks that have gotten involved with such. And they don't get exact prophecies of things to come.

The spirits only know what is happening. So you meam to tell me evil spirits have the power to forsee events?

Now that is new. Even Tarot card readers or crystal ball gazers only focus on the past and the present.