wordcat:


It is nobody's fault if u don't knw the meaning of speculation

Reyginus:
Lololololol. So speculations are now facts? We have create a soft landing for science. Isn't that it?

wordcat:


From Stconvict;
Speculation is there for speculation sake. That's the reason
why it is called hypothesis in Science. It is nothing until it
gets proven with facts, evidence, empirical studies that can
be tested again and again and still give the same result.
Mind you speculations are based on observations of
physical phenomena. You guys are not speculating, you are
claiming god exists without any physical evidence. That's
delusional!

Reyginus:
You have obviously not been following or you are attempting to be mischievous.

His point is that every thing that lacks fact or evidence is delusional. I am only trying to help him see the error of the statement.

Or can you tell me what that means.

BRIGHTRIVERS:
4 years now i've been sorrounded by friends that are atheist.Almost everyday we argue If actually there's God or not.I've always believed there's God,tho i've not seen him.But jst recently d points made by my atheist frnds keep ringging a strong bell in my mind and now i've missed Sunday service 4 about 4straight sundays and stil counting..now i'm begining to think there's no God up there.How do i get back on track?? i've received advices to quit d frndship with my atheist frnds,but that will not be healthy for my accademic life. Guys help!

# Rivers

chuna1985:





There is God brother, But God is unknowable.

God ain't in any church or religion... Dey are all Man made.

Meanwhile Congrats.

chuna1985:





There is God brother, But God is unknowable.

God ain't in any church or religion... Dey are all Man made.

Meanwhile Congrats.

BRIGHTRIVERS:
Unknowable Congrats ...No,u congrats 4 cnfusing me wt dis comment.

BRIGHTRIVERS:
Unknowable Congrats ...No,u congrats 4 cnfusing me wt dis comment.

ifeness:
The OP is obviously back to square one. what a shame! But he who run from a fight lives to fight another day. He let those dunce and hopeless rags drag him back into their pit holes

Weah96:


He's knowable because he is YOU. He's the observer in your dreams, and that's why you never get to see your own face. If you're dreaming and see your own face, don't even bother waking up. U no go fit.

Get in touch with your inner self. Religions take you away from the simple truth. If God is anywhere, he is IN YOUR HEAD FIRST.

beejaay:
what u are trying to explain is the hardest to grab by anyone cos people are so engrossed with labelling..great post by u

Weah96:



Everyone is God, I think. I can only speak for myself though, but I assume that everyone has a dream observer.

wordcat:


The problem is that christians knw how to twist statement and that's how u keep twisting ur so called word of god(bible) into different versions. Here is what he said;

I've explained this many times on NL already
faith, –noun
"BELIEF that is not based on facts or evidence"
de·lu·sion, –noun
"a fixed false BELIEF that is resistant to reason or
confrontation with actual fact"
you see faith is just a fancy, less aggressive and precise term
for Delusion

Is speculation a belief? Or should we take ur belief in god as speculation

BRIGHTRIVERS:
4 years now i've been sorrounded by friends that are atheist.Almost everyday we argue If actually there's God or not.I've always believed there's God,tho i've not seen him.But jst recently d points made by my atheist frnds keep ringging a strong bell in my mind and now i've missed Sunday service 4 about 4straight sundays and stil counting..now i'm begining to think there's no God up there.How do i get back on track?? i've received advices to quit d frndship with my atheist frnds,but that will not be healthy for my accademic life. Guys help!

# Rivers

BRIGHTRIVERS:
But how do we explain Miracles and prophesies done in churches? ..if there can be a Spiritual healing to a problem science can't solve,don't u think there's a spiritual being somewhere :.

Also,if a Prophet can tell you a problem going on in your Family without u havin told him... Dnt u think there's a spiritual being somewhere??

Ishilove:
Mr Man, if you know what is good for you, reduce your association with atheists and for God's sakes, stop all the ungodly and profitless arguments that do not edify either you or Christ. Evil companionship corrupts good manners. How can you allow unbelievers sway you, a child of God? Don't you know all power have been given unto you?

There is a God, there is heaven, and there is hell. Anyone who can sit down and say they don't exist is lost and only the mercy of God will open their eyes. However, God said "I will show mercy to whom I may show mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I may have compassion- Rom 9:15.

For God's sakes, you are on the road to perdition if you don't immediately cut off your association with your atheist friends and ask God for mercy and forgiveness.

There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.- Prov 14:12 (KJV)

buggaboo:
Ehmm, it is called deduction.
Since you have refused to give me a meaningful explaination of how the universe started, and I cannot find one myself, it only makes sense to accept that something outside of the laws of the universe is responsible. Whatever name you choose to call that thing is up to you.
The agnostics atleast accept this but I just dont understand you atheists.

Antiparticle:
You are using the tool of FEAR to convince the OP to stop asking valid questions about his faith in Yahweh (I presume the OP is/was christian). It blows my mind that FEAR is one of religion's favorite tool to extract followership and compliance. smh.

I think you should address the OP's questions without resorting to the FEAR tool, after all Apostle Paul told Timothy to study to show himself approved. Also, in I Peter 3:15, Peter says "Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect".

Respect the OP's attempt to learn more about why he believes what he believes and stop using FEAR to truncate his quest. No offense intended my friend, just saying

Crispels:



What course do ur friends study?

chuna1985:





There is God brother, But God is unknowable.

God ain't in any church or religion... Dey are all Man made.

Meanwhile Congrats.

johnydon22:
Nice postulation and all, but i want to engage you just a little bit..


About the bolded. . You say God is unknowable, since it is unknowable how then did you get to know there is any at all?

Antiparticle:
OK, even if something else is responsible for creating the universe, why jump to the conclusion that it was an invisible being? And even if it truly were an invisible being, why make the leap that this being was Yahweh? The latter is an extremely huuuuge leap! Why not Obatala or Zeus or Amadiora? Abeg let me know if I am misunderstanding you. I have an open mind.

plaetton:

Lol.
Since we are dealing with hypothesis here, let me also deduce that it was most likely something or someone who obeys the laws of the universe that could have designed and created that other something or someone that supposedly created the universe.

How is that for a deduction?

buggaboo:
Where did you see invisible being or yahweh in my post.
I said something not bound by the laws of the universe created the universe.
Why did I say that?
Because science can never explain how everything started.

buggaboo:
Something or someone who doesnt obey the laws of the universe, designed the universe.

Antiparticle:
OK, fair enough. You didn't mention Yahweh. But in one of your posts you wrote that something or someone designed the universe. If something or someone indeed designed the universe, wouldn't that something or someone also have had to have been designed by another something or someone (thus resulting in a negative infinity of something and someone creators)? While at first glance your theory of design may appear plausible, upon closer inspection it appears to be a highly unlikely explanation of the whats and hows of the universe's existence.

Also, your statement that "science can never explain how everything started" is mistaken. Ten thousand years ago, I'm sure humans made statements like "man can never create a flying vehicle that would land on the moon"; we both know how that turned out. Science is a body of knowledge that keeps expanding.

buggaboo:
I said something not bound by the laws of the universe.
This means that it may be self existing because it doesn't have to obey the laws of the universe.

buggaboo:
If you have faith that one day science will explain everything, how are you different from someone who has faith that God created the universe? You both do not have empirical evidence for your belief

Antiparticle:

This is extremely improbable. Up until now, we have never found anything in the universe that is not bound by the same laws of physics that we observe here on earth, so your italicized statement above is pure blind guesswork. Even quantum mechanical systems with all their astounding quirks can be predictably described statistically. I wonder why you would conjecture out of nowhere that something that is not bound by the laws of the universe created the universe. This is an extraordinarily unlikely explanation. But even if something or someone created the universe, what do you say are the implications? Does this mean that it is important that we revere that something or someone? That something or someone obviously doesn't give a shi*t about humans because he/she/it has gone into hiding since he/she/it created the universe.


Please quote where I said I have faith that science will one day explain everything. You are misusing the word faith in order to suit your position. A scientist does not need faith to extrapolate into the future. Scientists/statisticians develop prediction models that extrapolate based on current and past data; these models are used to assign a likelihood value to a future event. This is not based on faith, but is based on past/current evidence and physical laws.

buggaboo:
I am happy you mentioned a likelyhood value.
It means that there is a margin for error.
As a scientist, you cannot extrapolate indefinitely when you are dealing with a lot of unknowns. Your model is bound to break down at some point. Yes, it takes some faith to suggest that because science has explained somethings, science will explain everything.

To explain my point about something not bound by the laws of its own creation. Imagine that there is an advanced version of the Angry Birds game in which the birds have been programmed to make decisions by themselves. The game is their universe and some of them may think that they were not created if they cannot see any evidence of the team who created them. And it'd be wrong for thetbirds to expect whoever created them to behave like them.

Antiparticle:
I fully agree with you about margin of errors and the risk of extrapolating indefinitely.
You were the one that extrapolated indefinitely that "science can never explain how everything got started". In response, I wrote that "science is a body of knowledge that keeps expanding" in order to moderate your absolutist extrapolation. I don't know if science will eventually explain how everything got started, but I do know that it is uninformed to write that "science can never explain how everything got started" as you did.

So abeg where did I say that science will explain everything? Please quote it precisely. You have now begun to dance around in circles and I will have to ignore you if you don't quote what you claim I said, or if you don't stand corrected for misquoting me.

Also, you haven't answered any of the questions posed in I response to your previous commentary about your hypothetical something or someone creators that designed the universe.