Giyerte:
200Level THEATRE ART UNIPORT student slumps to death in Her bathroom as a result of UPTH non-availability of BEDSPACE for Admission...
A 200 Level student from the department of theatre and film studies just died after she slumped in her hostel.  Students blame it on the University of Port Harcourt Teaching Hospital. Says they lacked incompetence ..The story so far...

She slumped in her bathroom this morning and was rushed to the hospital at 5:30 am, but she wasn't admitted because a wicked Nurse there said there was no bed space.
Her name is Kelechi Ndulagwa and according to our sources, she died out of lack of oxygen.  A wicked world indeed..may her soul RIP..

God help us all.





http://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/08/angry-uniport-students-lock-up-upth-chase-away-doctors/#sthash.y43UdcFv.dpuf

bushdoc9919:


And you ignored my argument about hospital beds being different from ordinary foam.

Ah well....I leave by telling you to put pressure on your government to make sure health care is well funded in this country...facility wise...not salary wise.

No space means no space. I am sorry....but that is the way it is. Unless you want your patient to just have drip with no one able to attend to her because there are so many other bad cases...some worse that need attention.

You Nigerians .....ah well....know that I am not defending bad practice....but I am lamenting the fact that we have to work with limited facilities, and limited funding. If you don't want to believe that.....that's your business. You cannot expect miracles from zero. We are not gods.

Good evening.

kaeforum:


Rivers State is the only state in the Federation that has a dysfunctional Medical System, For the last 4yrs Doctors have been on strike , doctors are kidnapped of killed, health workers threatened, there are no functional govt hospitals, even private ones are killing fields.
Its either your pouse or relative is a doctor or you re doomed.
If you have a pregnant wife u have to ship her to neighboring states of import a doctor to care for her.

Never seen such barbarism displayed in the a states health sector. Boko haram will surely envy the health practitioners here.

kaeforum:


Rivers State is the only state in the Federation that has a dysfunctional Medical System, For the last 4yrs Doctors have been on strike , doctors are kidnapped of killed, health workers threatened, there are no functional govt hospitals, even private ones are killing fields.
Its either your pouse or relative is a doctor or you re doomed.
If you have a pregnant wife u have to ship her to neighboring states of import a doctor to care for her.

Never seen such barbarism displayed in the a states health sector. Boko haram will surely envy the health practitioners here.

soundtruth:
We hear that the UPTH CMD is very corrupt, there was no light, Saturday night and most of Sunday in UPTH. How can you run a teaching hospital without electricity?

Orikinla:
[size=18pt]Too many cultists in Nigerian hospitals.
Students and poor people must seek alternative medical attention for emergencies.
The new government of APC should bring in Cuban and Israeli doctors who are real medical doctors.[/size]

Kinfunfun22:


Half knowledge is bad. Triaging is applicable where you have sudden mass casualties like in a road traffic accident involving tens of people.
You don't triage when patients are coming one after the other in a medical emergency unit. You don't know how often those in the A&E have transferred to the ward and discharged other patients (and still have no bed space), so it's better we all shut up and stop acting like we can do better or that we know all.

DrObum:

Bro, you transfer a patient that you've received, resuscitated or atleast attempted to resuscitate and probably initiated management.
There's no report that they received her sef!


My point is, the whole situation was wrong. She's a candidate for their medical centre, where the doctors should've started the resuscitation andd be in a better position to transfer her and ensure that she is received by a facility ready and able to give care.

Bjergtrolde:


Yes I agree half knowledge is bad.
Use google , its your friend. Everyone who gets to an Accident and Emergency Department should get triaged. That is how you determine who gets seen immediately and who can wait and who you can ask to get out of your department. Go read it up

Now let me school you. An accident an emergency department is not a bus. You do not take a certain number of passengers and shout shop and drive a way. It is the common access to a hospital. "We do not have space" is not an option.
Emergency Department is like a post office sorting office, you sort patients by specialty and dispatch those that need transfer to wards or for discharge, you stabilise and resuscitate those that need it. ( these are a minority of patients as majority are walking wounded).

Now when someone comes in, you triage and based on severity of new admission, you go and reassess those already admitted and prioritize your resources for use by the ill ones.

Finally, you were not discerning enough to see that I was responding to the garbage spewed by Bushdoc9919. Go read it.

Bjergtrolde:


The entire situation is wrong but you are wrong on which aspect of care was faulty.
Lets break this down a notch.


1)You are an accident and emergency department, people come to your for medical care.

2) Without this medical care, they will die.

3) There are several hospitals in Port Harcourt

4) "You are full", "You have no space"

5) Someone comes to you for medical help

Do you

A) Attend to them immediately,

B) Do you ask them to go to another hospital or

C) Do you keep then in your "full" department, knowing that they would not be attended to , as they bleed to death?

When they finally die, Do you sleep well at night?

Bjergtrolde:


The entire situation is wrong but you are wrong on which aspect of care was faulty.
Lets break this down a notch.


1)You are an accident and emergency department, people come to your for medical care.

2) Without this medical care, they will die.

3) There are several hospitals in Port Harcourt

4) "You are full", "You have no space"

5) Someone comes to you for medical help

Do you

A) Attend to them immediately,

B) Do you ask them to go to another hospital or

C) Do you keep then in your "full" department, knowing that they would not be attended to , as they bleed to death?

When they finally die, Do you sleep well at night?

bushdoc9919:


And don't you get it?

There was no space in the A and E.....thus your triage argument has no merit.

Your triage argument would have worked if there was adequate space and staff.!

The problem is that we do not have adequate health care facilities.

There was no space in the A and E.....thus your triage argument has no merit.

Your triage argument would have worked if there was adequate space and staff.!

The problem is that we do not have adequate health care facilities.

Bjergtrolde:

DrObum:

You're getting it wrong Sir!
Most teaching hospitals have a policy that you can't send patients to private hospitals without a 'very very very' concrete reason and the scenario above doesn't defy that.

Now that policy is to protect patients, so that they aren't diverted for selfish purposes.


Now, back to this scenario, guess the lady was brought in by fellow students who must've stood there arguing why there are no spaces, which is wrong!

If she was brought in an ambulance, the ambulance would've seen that the facilities are already stretched and she can't be received and make a swift turn to the next big health facility.
So, that's why I tell you, the whole situation is pitiable and wrong!

bushdoc9919:

So when we say....No space....it is not because we hate you, it is because we want better for you. We do not want you to be treated in suboptimal conditions that may still lead to your death.

Bjergtrolde:


Well, the bolded is one of the big problems. The hospital/A&E department has no contingency plan.
So if you are overwhelmed you just shut up shop while people bleed to death in your waiting area.

Una strong sha. I don't think I will be able to sleep after one of these events.
I guess its the liver you have accumulated over several episodes like this that has made you rationalise this event.

Good night and I pray my relatives and I never have to suffer this.

Orikinla:
[size=18pt]Too many cultists in Nigerian hospitals.
Students and poor people must seek alternative medical attention for emergencies.
The new government of APC should bring in Cuban and Israeli doctors who are real medical doctors.[/size]

Bjergtrolde:


Yes I agree half knowledge is bad.
Use google , its your friend. Everyone who gets to an Accident and Emergency Department should get triaged. That is how you determine who gets seen immediately and who can wait and who you can ask to get out of your department. Go read it up

Now let me school you. An accident an emergency department is not a bus. You do not take a certain number of passengers and shout shop and drive a way. It is the common access to a hospital. "We do not have space" is not an option.
Emergency Department is like a post office sorting office, you sort patients by specialty and dispatch those that need transfer to wards or for discharge, you stabilise and resuscitate those that need it. ( these are a minority of patients as majority are walking wounded).

Now when someone comes in, you triage and based on severity of new admission, you go and reassess those already admitted and prioritize your resources for use by the ill ones.

Finally, you were not discerning enough to see that I was responding to the garbage spewed by Bushdoc9919. Go read it.

bushdoc9919:

View from a medical doctor.

(Disclaimer...I do not work for UPTH, or any of its affiliated institutions.)

First off, I commiserate with the students of Uniport as well as the lady's family over this untimely death.

Second....let's look at this case.

They got to the hospital. Most likely....they got to the Accident and Emergency Department....the Emergency Ward. And they were told by the nurse....No space.

When the nurse tells you no space...there most likely is NO space. Most nurses in charge of A and E do not turn away any patient who comes to them for help. And when there was no space...there most likely was no space.

The problem is that we do not have a good emergency response in this country. Here is how it is done in developed countries. The girl slumps, her fellow students immediately start CPR (which they have learned) and someone calls an ambulance. The ambulance arrives....and the ambulance drivers and paramedics start first aid. Meanwhile...they have an idea of where the nearest hospital with free bed space is....and they rush her there in the ambulance (Or sometimes by helicopter.). On arrival....there is a team of docs and nurses waiting for the patient.

It does not happen in Nigeria. And yes....UPTH is filled up because A and E can get busy(I should know). I have worked in hospitals where A and E is quiet during the day...then all hell breaks loose at night. And unfortunately...patients die because there is no space...or because the Casualty officer and the nurse are overstretched serving several patients.

So, the students should not blame the medical folks here. Instead....blame the lack of planning in our country. Port should have several tertiary level hospitals that are equipped to take care of several patients. The fact they do not is hardly my colleagues fault. And it won't be right to treat the patient on the floor either.

In a hospital....a tertiary hospital....no space means no space. The number of patients there was probably too many. So....unless the students have proof that there was space and the nurse was lying....I see no case of medical negligence. I see a case for better leadership from Abuja though....and for Buhari to appoint a health minister quick quick.

samopeyemi:


Hmmmm.
Let us look at it from this angle, if that lady was her daughter, relative or someone very close to the said nurse, what would she do?
No space and that's all!!!
I know the bulk of the blame lies on the government, but we can always improvise, we've always been doing so.

Giyerte:



That's true, am always careful.

Visocrate:
students should have respect for their tutors there are better means or ways of protesting and expressing grievances rather than taking the laws into their hands they should not forget that one day they will also become a lecture and be placed in like positions and they anything that goes around comes around . so I urge you guys to be wisdomatic in every action you take

Mintus:

receive common sense....somebody died....a future leader.....please go nd pick up ur sense wia eva u dropped dem cos i knw God gv u one nd dnt 4get 2 dust ur sense wen u get it....hv value 4 life....

slimmyjimmy:
Goodheart02 na this skul? >:-(