dmandy:


But Christ died for them too...

U think God is wicked?

You just confess that Jesus is lord and go back to do as u like, and go straight to heaven.

Then someone who didn't confess christ but does what pleases him goes to hell. okay.

Jozzy4:


Yes , but you must put faith in him ( john 3:16 said so, not jozzy)



God is not wicked ( job 34:10)



If you confess truly that Jesus as Lord , you will do the WILL and obey the commandments of his father ( matt 7:21-23) u remember ?

NOTE : its not all righteous person that will go to heaven , some will live forever on earth (psalm 37:9-11 said so , not jozzy )



What is hell ?

dmandy:


Any time I read your post, I feel the thirst in you. You have the secret feeling, that there might be God somewhere, somehow but you want to be sure.

I can't promise you here that anybody can convince you (because those who believe in His existence are even fighting amongst themselves who is right and who is righter). What I think you should do is ask yourself.

menesheh:




I don't reply this sort of comment but for the sake you, to understand my position, i will.

I never said strongly that there is no god, I'v believed these stuffs for years since i was a kid till this my early thirties, i soon as i find out that i have no good reasons and justifications for believing those stuffs, i quit believing it.

My position is that whenever there is evidence and proof of those stuffs, am not unchangeable, am not gonna leave it to you alone, i will rejoin you.

A came to the understanding of how proofs and evidence works, not vague, guessing, and pseudo-evidence which your kind of person accept as proof to believing anything. I don't.

AikayDaWrapper:
Obviously Christianity did not hit these shores until our colonial masters arrived.

So I'll like to ask where our Forefathers went because they obviously didn't worship God.

And if they went to hell isn't that a little bit unfair?

dmandy:

You didn't see any reason to continue to believe. Fine, once again no human being can give u that. But have u seen any reason yet to believe that God doesn't exist?

johnydon22:
Just a fast question:

"Do you believe with faith that earth is real or do you know certainly that earth is real? "

johnydon22:


I wonder what you mean exactly.

Our forefathers had their own God, they had their own religion and culture.

It's too bad you are here subjecting them to some cruel judgement from your own perspective as a worshipper of a foreign God concept.

The last time i checked they worshipped their own God, so i wonder what you mean by they didn't worship God... That is a clearly a wrong assertion..!!!

AikayDaWrapper:

I'm pretty sure you don't even believe what you just said.

According to the Christian definition of hell how can they be there without suffering

dmandy:


I know by fact earth is real... but I know by faith that today is Monday and by faith I believe that earth is round.

dmandy:


Hell a place reserved for the wicked.

How do you put faith in Christ?

dmandy:


I agree with you, but I know God is one. They didn't have their own God.. they worshipped God through the only means available to them.

johnydon22:
Define Faith...

dmandy:


Well, I never knew you believed before I said what I said because of the way u pursue evidence on every post.

You didn't see any reason to continue to believe. Fine, once again no human being can give u that. But have u seen any reason yet to believe that God doesn't exist?

johnydon22:
First you asserted they didn't worship God, now you have agreed that they did but in a different way.

Actually the last i checked there are up to 2,900 different God concepts found in different religions and cultures.

The fore fathers had their own God concept and religion, you may choose to subscribe to the Jewish concept but i see no reason why you should subject them to such bizarre judgement from your perspective of the jewish concept.

I may as well tell you that you are going to hell for not serving God the way our forefathers did...

dmandy:


I have never said they didn't worship God.... you are mistaking me for someone else. they worshipped God through the only means available to them. God is one. Means differs.

dmandy:


I agree with you, but I know God is one. They didn't have their own God.. they worshipped God through the only means available to them.

AikayDaWrapper:
They worshipped idols.
Aren't the worshippers of Baal seen as evil in the Bible

AikayDaWrapper:

They worshipped idols.

Aren't the worshippers of Baal seen as evil in the Bible

dmandy:


believe in what you can't see.

johnydon22:
Oh my bad. . . i thought i was addressing the Op who i quoted initailly

Actually God concepts differ, each may connote a deity but every concept differ in characteristics.

The Jewish yahweh has no son neither did it impregnant a virgin girl

The christian yahweh has a son and is three in one and impregnated a virgin girl

Islamic Allah has no son

Greek Zeus has many wives and sons

Egptian Osiris has a wife and a son .

Igbo chukwu in fact in impossible to know or comprehend... These dieties in fact are distinct characters...

AikayDaWrapper:

They worshipped idols.

Aren't the worshippers of Baal seen as evil in the Bible

johnydon22:

Ironically if you ask worshippers of Baal they will tell you that worshippers of Yahweh are the evil one.

So it obvious you are basing your judgement based on the position of the worshippers of yahweh

dmandy:


Isn't that why He is God? Know what He reveals to you and worship him accordingly.

I beleive in Chukwu... okike God the creator.

johnydon22:
Nope totally wrong Faith means believing something regardless of evidence. .

Now it is a known evidential fact that the earth is round which in fact is observable to a lay person from the earth, So tell me again. .

My question was: Do you need faith to believe Earth is real or are you certain for sure that earth is real..

(Please forget the earth being round part it is irrelevant in my question and secondly "Faith" is "believing" "Know" is "certainty" stop mixing them up)

dmandy:


Thanx for the correction though. when I said 'see' its all encompassing. that's btw.

for ur question, I don't need Faith to believe earth is real. I'm here on earth, its evidential.

johnydon22:
Lmao according to Igbo terminology Chukwu reveals nothing to anybody, in fact Chukwu is too big and can never be comprehended and so has no priest and so this very position leans it towards the position of Deism

So for the simple fact that these concepts differ in Characteristics shows that they are in fact distinct characters...
Zeus is the creator according to the greek but osiris is according to Egyptians...

So tell me; Is Zeus, Yahweh, Baal, Osiris the same God?

johnydon22:

Ironically if you ask worshippers of Baal they will tell you that worshippers of Yahweh are the evil one.

So it obvious you are basing your judgement based on the position of the worshippers of yahweh

johnydon22:
Good, this shows "FAITH" is only applied for things that are not evidential and so needs to be a conviction on it whether it is true or not.

Now tell me; Why then do you need "FAITH" to believe a deity exists?

dmandy:


God created everything.... people in search of him use different means, in most creatures.

I think God is mighty (the same thing We Igbos believe) but manifests himself in many ways. Hence, the disparity

dmandy:


God created everything.... people in search of him use different means, in most creatures.

I think God is mighty (the same thing We Igbos believe) but manifests himself in many ways. Hence, the disparity