What league did Alexis win the Copa playing in? What league did Suarez win the Copa playing in? What league did Per and Ozil and even Poldi win the WC playing in?

What league did Cesc win the WC playing in? What league did Silva, Mata and Torres win the Euros playing in?

Admit it DK, you are full of BS.

SIRcumalot:

The 2014 world cup success is the crowning achievement of a team that has knocking the door since the 2010 world cup even through the euros. Maybe a semi-finals finish at most.

I am sure you didnt rate germany before the world cup too and they still won. My money is still on Germany

chic2pimp:


Giggsy's award has more to do with longevity than anything else. Off the top of my head i can name 3 man united players that had more of an impact in the premier league era than Giggs(Ronaldo,Cantona, Keane)

It might not but it'll leave you with a shot at it

Longevity made him the greatest winner in the league history
Longevity didn't make the panel vote him has the best LW in the league history.

You're otherwise saying if I swap bale for Messi,Messi will lead wales to the WC final ?

debosky:
What league did Alexis win the Copa playing in? What league did Suarez win the Copa playing in? What league did Per and Ozil and even Poldi win the WC playing in?

What league did Cesc win the WC playing in? What league did Silva, Mata and Torres win the Euros playing in?

Admit it DK, you are full of BS.

Na only Alexis win Copa? How many EPL players were in the team that won the Copa? Was he more important than Vidal and Aranguiz?

Per Ozil and Poldi were mere team members

If they mention top 7 players in the German 11 none of those 3 would make it

Poldi and Per were the team mascot

raumdeuter:


I am sure you didnt rate germany before the world cup too and they still won. My money is still on Germany

I didn't and lightning never strike twice.
I'll be surprise if your money was on another team.

airmark:
It's like up till now you are still f00lishly rating title won by a player over his individual performance. Are you mad? How many international titles did suarez need to win before Barcelona coughed out €94 million to snap him up? How many international titles did bale and Ronaldo win before real paid through their noses to get them to spain from the same epl? Do you think sound minds like clubs' management officials would think like a slowpoke like you? Your senseless point of players losing it after joining epl is one of those things illiterate football lovers in the village would n't have said, let alone an exposed person like you. Meanwhile the same henri who you called a tag along, was france highest goal scorer in the euro 2000 cup winning team. The only match he missed , france was beaten 2-0 by Denmark. Henri also won confederation's cup for france as the best player and highest goal scorer in 2003 and was French player of the year for 4 consecutive years while in epl. Also Suarez won copa America in 2011 and was the best player of the tournament. Nistelrooy was highest goal scorer in UCL for 3 seasons. Real Madrid still came for the one you called a worse player, right? Mr. Dayo atole ni yin sir. Enu yin run.

Dindirin n dato ni e oponu afofungbemu de ni e

Which Euro 2000 did France lose 2-0 to Denmark

All this na misyarn of someone suffering from acute warapa

Show me an International tournament won by a team DOMINATED by EPL players.

SIRcumalot:

I didn't and lightning never strike twice.
I'll be surprise if your money was on another team.

Just siddon dey look as the real teams do it BTW when would we have an EPL dominated team actually win a tournament?

raumdeuter:


Show me an International tournament won by a team DOMINATED by EPL players.

Keep shifting post, in case you forgot your initial stvpid talk. Below, it is. Now that I have exposed your lack of sensible analysis, it shocked you how this kind of bull sh1t could have come out of your stinking buccal cavity.

raumdeuter:


Premiership effect means a place where a promising footballer lose all his potential.

Rather than ducking, answer me now:

airmark:
C Ronaldo, Gareth bale, Frank Lampard, Modric, Van Nistelrooy, Thierry henri, Suarez, Jaap Stam did they lose their promising potentials immediately they started playing in EPL?.

I know you are probably too dindinrin to understand what is being talked about

The crux of the matter is playing in the EPL reduces your footballing IQ and in most cases you need to leave the league to either achieve the great titles in your career or be relevant in your NT

That is why an EPL dominated team hasnt won anything in close to a decade

raumdeuter:
I know you are probably too dindinrin to understand what is being talked about

The crux of the matter is playing in the EPL reduces your footballing IQ and in most cases you need to leave the league to either achieve the great titles in your career or be relevant in your NT

I repeat that's is a stvpid talk. Did epl reduce footballing IQ of Nistelrooy, Bale, Suarez, Ronaldo, Modric, Alexis sanchez, Drogba, Beckam etc?

Stop illuminating your lack of football sense. Just shut it. Olori didota.

airmark:


How many international titles did suarez need to win before Barcelona coughed out €94 million to snap him up? How many international titles did bale and Ronaldo win before real paid through their noses to get them to spain from the same epl?

Ramudeen will never answer these questions. Yet he will foolishly be going about posting that EPL is shyte and it reduces the IQ of players. Or should we even talk about Vermaelen who had become a bench warmer for Arsenal, yet Barca still wanted him and got him.

Leave am alone. Fúro è jó.

airmark:


Wait ooooo. Are you serious that cognizant is not in the dictionary? This is the reason I always called Dayo to come and see why not to allow an illiterate to enter this thread. I thought your illiteracy was limited to soccer, I can now confirm that you are an all-round novice , I bow for your callowness. No need to prove anything further. Eleran ni mo n ba soro sha.


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Shut up! You shameless weyrey! Is that how you spelled it? If you didn't learn anything I have at least taught you how to spell.

Is Congnizant in the dictionary? Mofo typed congnizant and he is claiming I don't know the meaning of cognizant. You deserve jungle justice. The sensible thing to have done is to admit you made an error instead of lying through your teeth.

Apoche cra cra

nyabinghi:
i support united but some assertions of a40 and ramdeurter are correct, spain had their worst world cup in recent times when costa,azpilicueta and fabregas made their first 11, brazil had their worst performance when oscar,luiz,ramires,willian made the team.

Please 'sound' it je kan gbo.

Pataki:


Ramudeen will never answer these questions. Yet he will foolishly be going about posting that EPL is shyte and it reduces the IQ of players. Or should we even talk about Vermaelen who had become a bench warmer for Arsenal, yet Barca still wanted him and got him.

Leave am alone. Fúro è jó.

Abi now. Furo oun ati A40 ti jo. Typo error ni ode iyen nwa kiri ninu comment mi.

raumdeuter:


Dindirin n dato ni e oponu afofungbemu de ni e

Which Euro 2000 did France lose 2-0 to Denmark

All this na misyarn of someone suffering from acute warapa

Show me an International tournament won by a team DOMINATED by EPL players.

Typical apoche cra cra behavior. He is so clueless John Stockton couldn't assist him

airmark:


Abi now. Furo oun ati A40 ti jo. Typo error ni ode iyen nwa kiri ninu comment mi.

Lmao!

debosky:
What league did Alexis win the Copa playing in? What league did Suarez win the Copa playing in? What league did Per and Ozil and even Poldi win the WC playing in?

What league did Cesc win the WC playing in? What league did Silva, Mata and Torres win the Euros playing in?

Admit it DK, you are full of BS.

He will keep shifting post .

airmark:


He will keep shifting post .

Do you understand the meaning of what you post? Abi which shift post you dey talk of

Show us a team that won any competition with EPL dominated players

airmark:


Abi now. Furo oun ati A40 ti jo. Typo error ni ode iyen nwa kiri ninu comment mi.

What is wrong with this s0domite? You wan add that one to your isoro? Jowo keep me out of your homo-er0tic megedefegede.

raumdeuter:


Do you understand the meaning of what you post? Abi which shift post you dey talk of

Show us a team that won any competition with EPL dominated players

Stop ducking

raumdeuter:


Premiership effect means a place where a promising footballer lose all his potential.

answer me now:

airmark:
C Ronaldo, Gareth bale, Frank Lampard, Modric, Drogba, Alexis, Van Nistelrooy, Thierry henri, Suarez, Jaap Stam did they lose their promising potentials immediately they started playing in EPL?.

Show me which team dominated by EPL players have won a National team trophy

raumdeuter:
Show me which team dominated by EPL players have won a National team trophy

First accept you goofed on your stvpid post below, before I burst your bubble again on the one you newly raised above.

raumdeuter:


Premiership effect means a place where a promising footballer lose all his potential.

So

airmark:
C Ronaldo, Gareth bale, Frank Lampard, Modric, Drogba, Alexis, Van Nistelrooy, Thierry henri, Suarez, Jaap Stam did they lose their promising potentials immediately they started playing in EPL?.

2014 World cup best players

Messi (La Liga)
Muller (Bundesliga)
Robben (Bundesliga)

===================

2010 World cup best players

Forlan (La Liga)
Sneijder (Serie A)
Villa (La Liga)

2006 World cup best players
Zidane(La Liga)
Canavaro(Serie A)
Pirlo(Serie A)

2002 World cup best players
Oliver Kahn (Bundesliga)
Ronaldo(Serie A)
Hong Myung Bo (Korean League)

1998 World cup Best players
Ronaldo(Serie A)
Suker(La Liga)
Thuram(Serie A)

1994 world cup
Romario(La liga)
Baggio Serie A)
Stiockov(La Liga)

Nitori Olorun almost 24 winners no single EPL player

2014 World cup top scorers

James(French league)
Muller(Bundesliga)
Neymar(La Liga)


2010 World cup top scorers
Muller (Bundesliga)
Villa(La Liga)
Sneijder(Serie A)

2006 World cup

Klose (Bundesliga)
Crespo(Serie A)
Ronaldo (La Liga)

2002 World cup
Ronaldo (Serie A)
Klose (Bundesliga)
Rivaldo(La Liga)

1998 World cup
Suker(La Liga)
Batistuta(Serie A)
Vieri(La Liga)

1994
Salenko (Spain)
Stoikov(La Liga)
Romario(La Liga)

[size=18pt]NO single EPL again nitori Olorun!!!!!![/size]

Pataki, airmark, debosky, sircumalot chic2pimp help us explain this ooo

Is it that the EPL is allergic to the World cup?

Cant you people argue without making noise and insults

raumdeuter:


There are still some kinks that need ironing. Can was mediocre there over the past 2 games. So Rudiger, Can, Durm, Ginter as options

1. Right back since Lahm has retired, Schmelzer, Hector

2. Left back. Still experiements

3. Defensive midfielder Khedira is always injured so One of Kramer, Bender, Weigl or Kimmich

4. Getting rid of Ozil and playing Reus permanantly on the left

I like Jonas Hector at LB. What I've seen in two games is better than what I've seen from Durm at any point for club or country. Keep Schmelzer as far away from the NT as possible

The RB is a bit more complicated, I am not sure Rudy is NT quality, Can actually looks decent bursting forward but his defending can be pitiful

I want to see more Weigl he's looked very solid for Dortmund. Kimmich is a bit too green, maybe keep him for 2018.

Reus is always injured, hard to make plans with him in it but one can try anyway

??------Hummels------Boateng----Hector

--------Schweinsteiger------Gundogan-------

--Goetze/Bellarabi---Kroos/Goetze/Oezil---Reus/Oezil-----

-----------Mueller---------

raumdeuter:

What stops Man Utd Chelsea, City and Arsenal to buy Jaglieka, Baines, Clyne, Henderson, Sturridge, Sterling,

they couldn't get them as at the young age those players were the required articles....
and that's exactly the big problem. any of these players would have developed better if they had spent their formative football career in a top club to refine them. alas, we usually get to buy them mostly in their 20s when they must have already picked up all the dirty habits of football which can be sometimes too difficult to take away from them.

look at rooney for instance......
imagine what rooney woulda been if he had spent his 16th birthday in the united academy. there's no way he would still have problems trapping a ball. roy keane would have taken it out of him before he gets the chance to break into our first team. the big clubs get these players too late........and most often too expensive.

be honest to yourself Most of these players are not good enough to meet the ambitions of these clubs. Man Utd spent 30m on Rooney and Rio over a decade ago and another 30m on Shaw. If Man Utd sees a talented English player they would buy him

these ones are the few anomalies.....many of these players often refuse to leave their parent club because of loyalty or sometimes because they can be too expensive to be shifted.

Man utd currently have Shaw, Smalling Jones, Could have had CLyne too and thats a potential English back 4.

if any of them had been scouted early in their mid-teens, they would have been a better product by now.
luke shaw is now 20 years of age with only 4 appearances in europe. by the age of 18, rafael had already eclipsed that....playing with world class players and learning the ropes in europe. it's always better to catch the talents at a very young age, make them learn the philosophy of the club, blood them quickly in the group stage of the UCL and you would get a better product.

I dont think its the FA that told Liverpool to outbid Man Utd for Clyne or would you play Henderson, Sturridge, Milner in the current man Utd team

you are not getting the point.....
the issue is that the big clubs want to sign many of these players at a much younger age but they are restricted by the FA's red tape. most of these players would have been top talents at a young age but they suffered bad player development wherever they grew from and turned shyte to mediocre overnight. by the time they become known in their parent clubs(mid-table teams), the opportunity to finetune them early has been lost already!

raumdeuter:
Pataki, airmark, debosky, sircumalot chic2pimp help us explain this ooo

Is it that the EPL is allergic to the World cup?

Keep asking irrelevant questions, while you side-steped ones like the one below that would nail your wack views on epl .

raumdeuter:


Premiership effect means a place where a promising footballer lose all his potential.

So

airmark:
C Ronaldo, Gareth bale, Frank Lampard, Modric, Drogba, Alexis, Van Nistelrooy, Thierry henri, Suarez, Jaap Stam did they lose their promising potentials immediately they started playing in EPL?.

^^Show me the World cup trophy any of them won while in the EPL

raumdeuter:
^^Show me the World cup trophy any of them won while in the EPL

So any player that is part of a world cup winning team is the best in that position in the world. You should be bold enough to say it bluntly that they were poor players while in epl. Don't be afraid to defend your senseless opinion.

The question still remains:

C Ronaldo, Gareth bale, Frank Lampard, Modric, Drogba, Alexis, Van Nistelrooy, Thierry henri, Suarez, Jaap Stam, did they lose their promising potentials immediately they started playing in EPL?.

It's a YES or NO question, I am waitinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng

raumdeuter:
^^Show me the World cup trophy any of them won while in the EPL

Ozil, Per and Poldi won a WC in the EPL

Torres, Mata, D Silva won the Euros in the EPL

The prime reason for WC/Euros winners not being made up of predominantly EPL players is because the winners often have very strong domestic leagues hence there is no need for majority of their squads to play abroad.

Furthermore, as coogar mentioned, the lopsided rules for domestic players (and their ridiculous costs) in England leads to the best players at the top teams in England being mostly foreigners, unlike what applies in Spain and Germany for the most part.

Top Chelski players (no particular order) Hazard, Costa, Cesc, Courtois, Ivanovich, Terry

Top Arsenal players (no particular order) Alexis, Ozil, Cazorla, Cech, Giroud, Ramsey

Top Citeh players (no particular order) Aguero, Silva, Toure, Hart, Kompany

Compare that to say Bayern - Neuer, Lahm, Muller, Ribery, Robben

Or Barcelona - Messi, Suarez, Neymar, Iniesta, Xavi, Alba