italo:


*please give a straight answer to this question:

What is the pillar and foundation of truth?

The Church or the Bible?

@misreal, please answer too. @dmandy, please watch this space.

dmandy:


God bless you for the bold. If you have found the truth, hold on to it but STOP assuming that you are the only one who has.

Glad you know that the church is the pillar of truth, yet you open threads to lie against the church. If you really want to understand what the Catholic church is doing, 'pay a visit'.

DoubleDeeX:


Lied? Where? Read my message again....you don't get it do you? I never said that Roman Catholic is the Household of God! Smh, read the scriptures I quoted carefully!

The entire household of God is "Christ + His Bride" and all is built on the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets with Jesus Christ Himself as the Head and Chief cornerstone! It has nothing to do with any denominational Church anywhere.

I hate arguing with people who don't study their Bible. Study to shew thyself approved unto God........Stop deceiving yourself!

2 Timothy 2:15


Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

italo:


5. Where did you get the bold from?

6. Do you know that it was the Church that wrote the NT?

7. Who declared the NT closed?

8. When did the Holy Spirit stop inspiring men to write scripture?

misreal:
5.. who taught you to pray the rosary
6.yes
7.The new testament has not been declared closed sir.it will be closed at the second coming of Christ.
8..when did the holy ghost go to sleep?can you even differentiate between the writings that were inspired by the holy spirit,And an ordinary writings.I think if you could,You won't be asking this silly questions.

misreal:
5.. who taught you to pray the rosary
6.yes
7.The new testament has not been declared closed sir.it will be closed at the second coming of Christ.
8..when did the holy ghost go to sleep?can you even differentiate between the writings that were inspired by the holy spirit,And an ordinary writings.I think if you could,You won't be asking this silly questions.

nnatom:


I dnt knw who is being silly here.so are u saying u can determine which is inspired by d holy spirit.and wht are ur criteria For determining dat cos I knw there are so many inspired writing u have debunked so pls I will like to knw how determine urs

dmandy:


That is what She said o and that my friend is what the Catholic church is doing.

VLadipo:


I don't get you.

Mary's command was/is that we should do whatever Jesus says we should do.

Did Jesus say we should worship or pray to the Father through Mary?

Did Jesus ever say we should beg Mary to pray for us?

dmandy:


I got you.

1. Yes, Mary said we should do whatever Jesus says, and that is what we do. If you don't understand anything, you ask.

2. No, Jesus, never said we should worship Mary. And the Catholic church never told anybody to do so, either, anybody doing so is in error and Catholic church condemns such idolatory.

3. While Jesus was inside of Mary, she prophesied that 'henceforth, all generations (including mine) shall call her blessed. That is what the Church teach.

4. Yes, Jesus commanded us his followers (of which Mary is one) to pray for another.

5. Yes, If Jesus said we should pray for one another, sure then I can beg anyone (including Mary) to pray for me.

VLadipo:


But you would agree with me that the Catholic church has given Mary undue reverence and regard equalling if not more than that given the Holy Trinity - The Father, The Son and Holy Ghost.
Why don't you beg Elizabeth (the first person who was filled with the Holy Spirit when she heard the voice of her cousin, Mary, thereby causing her to prophecy) to pray for you?
Why don't you beg John the Beloved(closest person to Jesus ever and most loved by Him) to pray for you?
Why don't you beg Apostle Paul (most used of the apostles) to pray for you?

It has always been Mary.
And you even call her the mother of God! Damn!!

VLadipo:


But you would agree with me that the Catholic church has given Mary undue reverence and regard equalling if not more than that given the Holy Trinity - The Father, The Son and Holy Ghost.
Why don't you beg Elizabeth (the first person who was filled with the Holy Spirit when she heard the voice of her cousin, Mary, thereby causing her to prophecy) to pray for you?
Why don't you beg John the Beloved(closest person to Jesus ever and most loved by Him) to pray for you?
Why don't you beg Apostle Paul (most used of the apostles) to pray for you?

It has always been Mary.
And you even call her the mother of God! Damn!!

VLadipo:


But you would agree with me that the Catholic church has given Mary undue reverence and regard equalling if not more than that given the Holy Trinity - The Father, The Son and Holy Ghost.
Why don't you beg Elizabeth (the first person who was filled with the Holy Spirit when she heard the voice of her cousin, Mary, thereby causing her to prophecy) to pray for you?
Why don't you beg John the Beloved(closest person to Jesus ever and most loved by Him) to pray for you?
Why don't you beg Apostle Paul (most used of the apostles) to pray for you?

It has always been Mary.
And you even call her the mother of God! Damn!!

Jeromejnr:


Its a very sad thing.

Many folks have been brainwashed with useless traditions of men. That's why we hardly see the power we are supposed to in church today.

People being on wheel chairs with get old and die in those chairs never getting out because that particular church has left the supernatural and gone over in to carnal.

Well, the truth is you can't help everyone. Most people will have to first die and see they've been living a lie all along.

Jeromejnr:


Its a very sad thing.

Many folks have been brainwashed with useless traditions of men. That's why we hardly see the power we are supposed to in church today.

People being on wheel chairs with get old and die in those chairs never getting out because that particular church has left the supernatural and gone over in to carnal.

Well, the truth is you can't help everyone. Most people will have to first die and see they've been living a lie all along.

italo:


Maybe that's why scientists have recorded countless healings among those who go to Lourdes, the site of a Marian apparition.

They are not carnal, like what you see in your church.

Jeromejnr:


Yea, Buddhists also get healing and also scientologists. So there's no point there.

Jeromejnr:

Its a very sad thing.
Many folks have been brainwashed with useless traditions of men. That's why we hardly see the power we are supposed to in church today.
People being on wheel chairs with get old and die in those chairs never getting out because that particular church has left the supernatural and gone over in to carnal.
Well, the truth is you can't help everyone. Most people will have to first die and see they've been living a lie all along.

italo:


Then there's no point in your initial post too.


Since healing is not the way to know the true Church.

You fell for the trick.

dmandy:


1. Undue reverence? I don't know the criteria for measuring the quantity that is due and undue for her?

VLadipo:


My point remains that you the 'honour' you catholics give Mary goes beyond the ordinary.
Her statues flood your churches even more than that of Jesus.
Isnt that idolatry?
The Lord disowned Mary as his mother when she, along with His brethren, came looking for Him.
Rather, He pointed at those listening to Him as His mother and brethren.

dmandy:


Erm, Mr. Man.

Preaching and Healings are the foundation of the Gospel/Good news. You can't fully preach the gospel without Miracles.

Matt 9:35 "Jesus went through all the towns and villages, teaching in their synagogues, proclaiming the good news of the kingdom and healing every disease and sickness."

Rom 15:19 "They were convinced by the power of miraculous signs and wonders and by the power of God's Spirit. In this way, I have fully presented the Good News of Christ from Jerusalem all the way to Illyricum."

Lk 4:18 "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free,"

So if you guys are not experiencing all this, the Lord is wondering what you people are doing in the Church.

And you guys are just wasting your time.

dmandy:

So from what I know, none of you has testified to raising the dead, getting up from wheelchairs e.t.c. Just normal diseases like headaches which other religions can cure.

So there was no trick.

VLadipo:


My point remains that you the 'honour' you catholics give Mary goes beyond the ordinary.
Her statues flood your churches even more than that of Jesus.
Isnt that idolatry?
The Lord disowned Mary as his mother when she, along with His brethren, came looking for Him.
Rather, He pointed at those listening to Him as His mother and brethren.

misreal:
the church sir.if you read your bible regularly,you would have discovered that the church is the gathering of brethren which does not portray any form of denominationalism.

Aizenosa:


The more I read posts by dumb people who are confused like u I shake my head, what does 2nd Thess 2:15 say and what does John 21:25 say may ur eyes be opened

misreal:
even if I was wrong,I will never listen to a person who uses abuses as a form of evangelism.you need to be born again sir..go back and read the whole of 2nd thess2 and understand what it is talking about, and stop quoting scriptures out of context.

misreal:
even if I was wrong,I will never listen to a person who uses abuses as a form of evangelism.you need to be born again sir..go back and read the whole of 2nd thess2 and understand what it is talking about, and stop quoting scriptures out of context.

italo:
@misreal, welcome back. These questions which you ran away from are still pending o.


1. So where is the Church that is the pillar and foundation of truth? It vanished? Does it also teach error? And who told you the Rosary is error? The Trinity told you that?

2. Then how can you say with certainty that the Rosary is an error when Jesus taught me that. Why are you here taking their place and judging right and wrong interpretation?

3. But that is exactly what happened in 382AD under Pope Damascus in the Synod of Rome. The Catholic Church chose the books to be in the Bible and the books not to be in the Bible out of the many books that were in circulation.

4. Please just answer, so that we can arrive at the truth. When Luther removed 7 books, did he change the Bible?


5. Jesus. Now can you tell me who told you that if the Church teaches something not aligned with the bible, it's error? It's okay if you say nobody told you.

6. So if the Church teach error, it's bible writings probably contain error. No?

7&8. Are you saying the Holy Spirit is still inspiring men to write scriptures apart from the books of the Bible? Mention one of these books, please?

Aizenosa:


Then maybe u urself need to understand what you have said cuz u blatantly refuse to agree with what you call ur source of truth which all u protestant rightly claimed