Boateng the same level as Sergio Ramos?

Dayo clean the corner of your mouth. There is still some seemen there..

SailorXY:

I recalculated to squeeze it into 1-10. I didn't see Koeman live, I saw enough old Barca clips to know his strengths & weaknesses.
You are now seeing futures, make we no disturb this thread
Ramos 'performance' would be scoring a goal in UCL final, no? can we also say Sol Campbell is a 4?
Yes or No question

Sergio Ramos is the major reason Madrid can say they have the decima just like Boateng with the world cup

I gave their current ratings, and If they continue at that rate. Its like saying if Ronaldinho had continued at his 04-07 form he might have been the greatest player ever

Whats so difficult in that

Sol Campbell would be between 5 and 6 still better than Rio

nateevs:
Ferdinand is five levels below Puyol. Comdey on Mt-45.

Ferdinand is one of the biggest defensive fraud even worse than Terry. Very incompetent at everything. He was covered by a very good Vidic most of the time

raumdeuter:


Sergio Ramos is the major reason Madrid can say they have the decima just like Boateng with the world cup

I gave their current ratings, and If they continue at that rate. Its like saying if Ronaldinho had continued at his 04-07 form he might have been the greatest player ever

Whats so difficult in that

Sol Campbell would be between 5 and 6 still better than Rio

6 steps ahead of Ferdinand you mean.

OK

SailorXY:

6 steps ahead of Ferdinand you mean.

OK

Is that what you understand by it?

I am responsible for what I wrote not what you understand

coogar:


robben
ronaldo
reus
neymar

david silva
gareth bale
alexi sanchez
iniesta

out of d players u mentioned, i cn only see sanchez, ronaldo, neymar nd maybe reus that plays n d same position wt hazard. Bale no longer plays n dat position. After all, it is only ronaldo that cn b outrightly said to b beta dn hazard in dat position currently. Others are debatable.

raumdeuter:

I am not sure you understand
Ronaldo and Messi already crossed the bar and they are already world class
If in the future 12 players come and make Messi look like pub players then logic dictates that they would also be World class players.
Michael Owen won ballon D or but to me he was never world class
Kaka Rivaldo Figo Owen Shevchenko all won Ballon D or but no one would tell you they are below Zidane, Messi, Ronaldo Lima and Ronaldinho in talent

So who will set this imaginary bar you are talking about?

And how many people will this bar be expected to accommodate to be able to say these players are the elite world class players, because in future if a lot of players beat a bar you set. It would seem that evry tom d1ck and harry will be elite and that would mean raising the bar once more which may eventually make Ronnie and Messi meet it. Would you then say Ronnie and Messi were/are not world class?

World class is very subjective IMO and relative to the era when the players played.

It would be unfair to use todays measurement to assess a world class player of 1977, but that does not mean the player was not or is not world class based on his era if he was regarded as world class then.

raumdeuter:


Is that what you understand by it?

I am responsible for what I wrote not what you understand

yehsir

Mourinholic:
Mourinho: "There is only one who manager
not on this list. Good for him. Can speak
about referees, can push in technical area, he can not achieve, keep his job,
still be the king."

Choi! Mourhino nor well.

hensben:
Your sentiment is alarming. Scholes was CM while lampard was AMF, why use only assist? What of goals scored, individual award. Lampard was 2nd best player in the world behind ronaldinho. Lampard was world class player, scholes was man united/epl great.

scholes and lampard played in the same area of the pitch.
lampard was 2nd best player in the world by a popularity vote.
in terms of the technical aspect of the game, lampard is nowhere as good as scholes.

frank lampard
577 - league appearances(47,934 mins)
535 - league starts
042 - substititions

172 - league goals(50 penalties scored)

173 - league assists
115 - open play assists
058 - set play assists

paul scholes
499 - league appearances(36,086 league mins)
404 - league starts
095 - substititions

107 - league goals(only 1 penalty scored)

138 - league assists
120 - open play assists
018 - set play assists

AirborneLacer:

Do elucidate this your ''popularity contest'' theory.
When JT won the PFA award in 2004/05 he wasn't scoring awoof pens that could have easily had him making the headlines yet he won it. What then coulda won him the award?

what has john terry gotta do with this argument?
when terry won PFA award that season, he deserved it. terry had the heart of a lion
in 2004/5 season. chelsea conceded 15 league goals all season and kept an
obscene number of clean sheets. was there any defender that did more than terry that season?

back to hazard......
was hazard the highest goal scorer last season? no!
was hazard the top assist maker last season? no!
was hazard the most dangerous player last season? no!
in terms of statistics....was hazard better than any of silva or sanchez? no!

so how else did hazard win the PFA award if not by a popularity contest?

hensben:
What made scholes a world class and lampard great player?
I'm guessing you'd pick ''overall performance'' - the sole criterion that also won it for Hazard. So what are you not telling this house?

In the last 15 to 20 years the best central midfielder that I have seen — the most complete — is Scholes. I have spoken with Xabi Alonso about this many times. Scholes is a spectacular player who has everything. He can play the final pass, he can score, he is strong, he never gets knocked off the ball and he doesn’t give possession away. If he had been Spanish then maybe he would have been valued more.
Xavi


My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder.
Zinedine Zidane

Rooney is one of the best players in the world and I love watching him play. But if you had to pick out only one, then for their history and for all that they have achieved it would have to be Paul Scholes or Ryan Giggs. They are two shining examples for any player.
Andres Iniesta


Everywhere I go the coaches all tell me that Scholsey is the player they admire. But if they think they’ll get him they’re wasting their time! Paul is a Manc lad pure and simple. He loves the club and there’s no chance of him leaving here. If ever he decided to go there would be a stampede, but he won’t be going, he’s here for life.
Sir Alex Ferguson (Jan 2003)

I’m not the best, Paul Scholes is.
Edgar Davids,

I told Moratti Scholes is a “mission impossible” man. It’s more than money with him. He was born just a few blocks away from Old Trafford. It`s about wearing United’s colours.
Inter owner Massimo Moratti’s adviser, Pino Pagliara (July 2000)

Out of everyone at Manchester United, I would pick out Scholes – he is the best midfielder of his generation. I would have loved to have played alongside him.
Pep Guardiola

"I can’t understand why Scholes has never won the player of the year award. He should have won it long ago. Maybe it’s because he doesn’t seek the limelight like some of the other ‘stars’"
Thierry Henry

“He is the one whose level I aspire to. He is the best player in the Premier League.”
Cesc Fabregas


“I want to pass like him. Who taught him how to do that?”
Ronaldinho


“They have two of the world’s best young players in Cristiano Ronaldo and Wayne Rooney, but the player who most impresses me is Paul Scholes. He is United’s most important player, he makes most things happen on the field.”
Shevchenko

“At La Masia, his name was mentioned a lot. He’s a teacher.”
Messi

Mourinholic:
Mourinho: "I think in this country, only one
manager is not under pressure. Steve-under
pressure, I am under pressure, Brendan,
Pellegrini'

Lmao!!! Mourinho na b*stard!

Greatihex:
out of d players u mentioned, i cn only see sanchez, ronaldo, neymar nd maybe reus that plays n d same position wt hazard. Bale no longer plays n dat position. After all, it is only ronaldo that cn b outrightly said to b beta dn hazard in dat position currently. Others are debatable.

i said there are 8 players in the world right now who can play better than hazard in hazard's primary position....

outrightly better than hazard?
all the 8 players mentioned are outrightly better than hazard.
david silva is 300 times better than hazard and so are reus, sanchez,
bale, neymar, robben, etc.

only chelsea fans rate hazard.....the intelligent chelsea fans have even
warned the mumu ones to stop comparing hazard to players like neymar,
silva or bale cos the comparison isn't there.

the only thing hazard has is
potential and for what we have seen this season, it's starting to
look as if hazard peaked last season already and he has already hit his flat-line.

Mou is a bastaaard!

Dadehmola:


He beasted the game....

Bar the goal, his touches & passes were outstanding on the night...all culminating to the award of MOTM that night.

I think you need to watch that game again.

His touches and passes were outstanding all night? really?.....Zidane beasting that particular game is one of those urban myths people like to perpetuate. Zidane was actually anonymous for pretty much the whole of the First half save for the goal. And His second half performance was not that much better.

The MOTM award He got was nothing short of a popularity contest. Makalele and Ballack both had better games. So did Saint Iker. Truth be told I can name half a dozen players who performed better than Zizou on the night.

coogar:


i said there are 8 players in the world right now who can play better than hazard in hazard's primary position....

outrightly better than hazard?
all the 8 players mentioned are outrightly better than hazard.
david silva is 300 times better than hazard and so are reus, sanchez,
bale, neymar, robben, etc.

only chelsea fans rate hazard.....the intelligent chelsea fans have even
warned the mumu ones to stop comparing hazard to players like neymar,
silva or bale cos the comparison isn't there.

the only thing hazard has is
potential and for what we have seen this season, it's starting to
look as if hazard peaked last season already and he has already hit his flat-line.

does silva play as a left midfielder? I hv told u d players that play in somewhat similar positions wt hazard. CR7 is d only player that cn b said to b undisputably beta at d moment.
Abt silva being beta; he has bn in d league 4 seasons nd is yet to win d Bpl, pfa or fwa player of d yr. Bt, dis hazard won all of dis last season playing in d same league wt d said player.

chic2pimp:
I think you need to watch that game again.

His touches and passes were outstanding all night? really?.....Zidane beasting that particular game is one of those urban myths people like to perpetuate. Zidane was actually anonymous for pretty much the whole of the First half save for the goal. And His second half performance was not that much better.

The MOTM award He got was nothing short of a popularity contest. Makalele and Ballack both had better games. So did Saint Iker. Truth be told I can name half a dozen players who performed better than Zizou on the night.

That game on performance MOTM should go to Casilass after he came on for the injured Cesar

Those saves he pulled to deny Basturk, Lucio was breathtaking

By the second half the who Madrid midfield was almost overrun, But Zidanes goal was the game winner

raumdeuter:


Sergio Ramos is the major reason Madrid can say they have the decima just like Boateng with the world cup

I gave their current ratings, and If they continue at that rate. Its like saying if Ronaldinho had continued at his 04-07 form he might have been the greatest player ever

Whats so difficult in that

Sol Campbell would be between 5 and 6 still better than Rio

Boateng, the reason Germany can say they won the WC? The same World Cup in Brazil we watched or the one in your dreams? The same Germany that had Kroos, Muller, Hummels, Neur and Lahm to thank for the victory? WTF?!! Dayo, are you so biased you've turned out to be a comedian? The WC that Ron 'the concerete' Vlaar and Ezekiel Garay performed more that lanky Boateng? What sort of weed are you taking? In the center position ALL credits goes to Hummels!! Boateng was shít feeding off Hummels' glory. Now I know why Chelshit fans don't take you serious at all, and it's time I follow suit.


Below are links from top sites and top pundits listing team of the tournament, none of them even mentioned BoaWACK's name. In short, I dare you to list just THREE credible site not on Oshogbo site that CONSIDERED naming Boateng in their team of the tournament. I double dare you!!


BBC
http://m.bbc.com/sport/football/28256147

Goal.com
http://m.goal.com/s/en-sg/news/3999/world-cup-2014/2014/07/14/4957385/world-cup-team-of-the-tournament-messi-muller-robben-lead

Ibitimes
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/fifa-world-cup-2014-team-tournament-1456533

Dailymail
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/worldcup2014/article-2691574/Manuel-Neuer-Javier-Mascherano-Arjen-Robben-Neymar-Sportsmail-World-Cup-team-tournament.html

Fourfourtwo
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/stats-zone-world-cup-2014-team-tournament#:xM_FCznPabEweA

coogar:
[s]

scholes and lampard played in the same area of the pitch.
lampard was 2nd best player in the world by a popularity vote.
in terms of the technical aspect of the game, lampard is nowhere as good as scholes.

frank lampard
577 - league appearances(47,934 mins)
535 - league starts
042 - substititions

172 - league goals(50 penalties scored)

173 - league assists
115 - open play assists
058 - set play assists

paul scholes
499 - league appearances(36,086 league mins)
404 - league starts
095 - substititions

107 - league goals(only 1 penalty scored)

138 - league assists
120 - open play assists
018 - set play assists




what has john terry gotta do with this argument?
when terry won PFA award that season, he deserved it. terry had the heart of a lion
in 2004/5 season. chelsea conceded 15 league goals all season and kept an
obscene number of clean sheets. was there any defender that did more than terry that season?

back to hazard......
was hazard the highest goal scorer last season? no!
was hazard the top assist maker last season? no!
was hazard the most dangerous player last season? no!
in terms of statistics....was hazard better than any of silva or sanchez? no!

so how else did hazard win the PFA award if not by a popularity contest?



In the last 15 to 20 years the best central midfielder that I have seen — the most complete — is Scholes. I have spoken with Xabi Alonso about this many times. Scholes is a spectacular player who has everything. He can play the final pass, he can score, he is strong, he never gets knocked off the ball and he doesn’t give possession away. If he had been Spanish then maybe he would have been valued more.
Xavi


My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder.
Zinedine Zidane

Rooney is one of the best players in the world and I love watching him play. But if you had to pick out only one, then for their history and for all that they have achieved it would have to be Paul Scholes or Ryan Giggs. They are two shining examples for any player.
Andres Iniesta


Everywhere I go the coaches all tell me that Scholsey is the player they admire. But if they think they’ll get him they’re wasting their time! Paul is a Manc lad pure and simple. He loves the club and there’s no chance of him leaving here. If ever he decided to go there would be a stampede, but he won’t be going, he’s here for life.
Sir Alex Ferguson (Jan 2003)

I’m not the best, Paul Scholes is.
Edgar Davids,

I told Moratti Scholes is a “mission impossible” man. It’s more than money with him. He was born just a few blocks away from Old Trafford. It`s about wearing United’s colours.
Inter owner Massimo Moratti’s adviser, Pino Pagliara (July 2000)

Out of everyone at Manchester United, I would pick out Scholes – he is the best midfielder of his generation. I would have loved to have played alongside him.
Pep Guardiola

"I can’t understand why Scholes has never won the player of the year award. He should have won it long ago. Maybe it’s because he doesn’t seek the limelight like some of the other ‘stars’"
Thierry Henry

“He is the one whose level I aspire to. He is the best player in the Premier League.”
Cesc Fabregas


“I want to pass like him. Who taught him how to do that?”
Ronaldinho


“They have two of the world’s best young players in Cristiano Ronaldo and Wayne Rooney, but the player who most impresses me is Paul Scholes. He is United’s most important player, he makes most things happen on the field.”
Shevchenko

“At La Masia, his name was mentioned a lot. He’s a teacher.”
Messi

[/s]

Sir Alex Ferguson: I regret not signing unbelievable Frank Lampard for Manchester United

chic2pimp:


I think you need to watch that game again.

His touches and passes were outstanding all night? really?.....Zidane beasting that particular game is one of those urban myths people like to perpetuate. Zidane was actually anonymous for pretty much the whole of the First half save for the goal. And His second half performance was not that much better.

The MOTM award He got was nothing short of a popularity contest. Makalele and Ballack both had better games. So did Saint Iker. Truth be told I can name half a dozen players who performed better than Zizou on the night.

Ignore him abeg, he didn't watch the match. No sane and UNBIASED person who watched that match can say Zizou beasted that match. Beast kor, Dinosaur ni!!

sinizia:

Boateng, the reason Germany can say they won the WC? The same World Cup in Brazil we watched or the one in your dreams? The same Germany that had Kroos, Muller, Hummels, Neur and Lahm to thank for the victory? WTF?!! Dayo, are you so biased you've turned out to be a comedian? The WC that Ron 'the concerete' Vlaar and Ezekiel Garay performed more that lanky Boateng? What sort of weed are you taking? In the center position ALL credits goes to Hummels!! Boateng was shít feeding off Hummels' glory. Now I know why Chelshit fans don't take you serious at all, and it's time I follow suit.


Below are links from top sites and top pundits listing team of the tournament, none of them even mentioned BoaWACK's name. In short, I dare you to list just THREE credible site not on Oshogbo site that CONSIDERED naming Boateng in their team of the tournament. I double dare you!!


BBC
http://m.bbc.com/sport/football/28256147

Goal.com
http://m.goal.com/s/en-sg/news/3999/world-cup-2014/2014/07/14/4957385/world-cup-team-of-the-tournament-messi-muller-robben-lead

Ibitimes
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/fifa-world-cup-2014-team-tournament-1456533

Dailymail
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/worldcup2014/article-2691574/Manuel-Neuer-Javier-Mascherano-Arjen-Robben-Neymar-Sportsmail-World-Cup-team-tournament.html

Fourfourtwo
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/stats-zone-world-cup-2014-team-tournament#:xM_FCznPabEweA

DId you watch the world cup or were told especially the finals?

Jérôme Boateng 9

Made a vital clearance after a surging run from Messi and was always quick to snuff out danger. Quick, calm and authoritative, his displays in Brazil have been a revelation and he was man of the match

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jul/13/germany-argentina-brazil-2014-worlds-cup-final-player-ratings

BOateng 9
Got better as the match progressed. Made a number of important tackles and clearances after initially being troubled by the pace of the Argentine counter-attacks. The Bayern centre-back was dominant and was Germany's star performer. Man of the match.
Rio Ferdinand's view: "Boateng was immense today."
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/28286068

Without Boatengs performance in that world cup final, Germany would lose easily as he ate Messi and Aguero all through the game

If you have doubts I have videos and gifs to proove this

raumdeuter:



Rio Ferdinand's view: "Boateng was immense today."

Boatank was so influential to Germany winning the world cup, that they forgot to name him among best players in the Team of the tournament. Yet, Hummels a german defender was named. May be hummels and boatank looked alike at the world cup, hence the mistake.

airmark:


Boatank was so influential to Germany winning the world cup, that they forgot to name him among best players in the Team of the tournament. Yet, Hummels a german defender was named. May be hummels and boatank looked alike at the world cup, hence the mistake.

Many ratings for the world cup final talk about BoaTANK in glowing terms

Go bring any rating he would be the best player on the field or at worst the top 3

Terry has played major finals in his career how did he perform there

Show me any time Terry played a major final CL, World cup or Uero and excelled

How on earth did Boateng out-play Hummels? What kind of tripe won't one read on here?

Did Raum watch the beast Giancarlo Gonzalez of Costa Rica that bossed their defence like a pro? Go and watch this nucca again in beast mode.

The best CBs in that WC are Vlaar, Hummels, Gonzalez, and Garay!! BoaWACK had nothing special above these ninjas!!

sinizia:
How on earth did Boateng out-play Hummels? What kind of tripe won't one read on here?

Did Raum watch the beast Giancarlo Gonzalez of Costa Rica that bossed their defence like a pro? Go and watch this nucca again in beast mode.

The best CBs in that WC are Vlaar, Hummels, Gonzalez, and Garay!! BoaWACK had nothing special above these ninjas!!

Did you watch the world cup final?

If you didnt I watched BBC watched Guardina newspapers journalists watched, Rio ferdinand watched

And we all saw how Boatank beated the final

raumdeuter:


That game on performance MOTM should go to Casilass after he came on for the injured Cesar

Those saves he pulled to deny Basturk, Lucio was breathtaking

By the second half the who Madrid midfield was almost overrun, But Zidanes goal was the game winner

He was easily MOTM. Without those saves, Zizou's brilliance would not be as highly celebrated as it is now.

sinizia:

Ignore him abeg, he didn't watch the match. No sane and UNBIASED person who watched that match can say Zizou beasted that match. Beast kor, Dinosaur ni!!

I think this is case of seeing things through rose tinted glasses. He wasn't even Madrid's best midfielder on the night

sinizia:
How on earth did Boateng out-play Hummels? What kind of tripe won't one read on here?

Did Raum watch the beast Giancarlo Gonzalez of Costa Rica that bossed their defence like a pro? Go and watch this nucca again in beast mode.

The best CBs in that WC are Vlaar, Hummels, Gonzalez, and Garay!! BoaWACK had nothing special above these ninjas!!

These are highlights from the world cup FINAL the biggest game in football

Molesting Messi


Saving a sure goal


Baling out Schweini and decapitating Aguero in the process


90th minutes break by Argetina, Boatank sodomized the striker


This is why I always tell you people to watch games and not just look at the scoreline

Show me ANY major final in Terry's career he had half of this performance.

raumdeuter:


DId you watch the world cup or were told especially the finals?

Jérôme Boateng 9

Made a vital clearance after a surging run from Messi and was always quick to snuff out danger. Quick, calm and authoritative, his displays in Brazil have been a revelation and he was man of the match

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jul/13/germany-argentina-brazil-2014-worlds-cup-final-player-ratings

BOateng 9
Got better as the match progressed. Made a number of important tackles and clearances after initially being troubled by the pace of the Argentine counter-attacks. The Bayern centre-back was dominant and was Germany's star performer. Man of the match.
Rio Ferdinand's view: "Boateng was immense today."
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/28286068

Without Boatengs performance in that world cup final, Germany would lose easily as he ate Messi and Aguero all through the game

If you have doubts I have videos and gifs to proove this

One man of the match against the Argies and immediately all the efforts of Hummels, Kroos and co amount to nothing and suddenly Boawack gave Germany the WC? You think if that fool Higuain had scored his sitters all these "ate these and ate thats" would have amounted to anything? It's funny you have no link that rated Boateng above those names I listed. I guess all pundits are wrong and Raum's opinion comes tops. I no go argue this shít with you, the truth is on the web.

And no don't post the vids, I've seen the YouTube videos you posted about Baoteng months ago, very boring and doesn't place him above those ninjas I mentioned.

Raumdeuter saw only the final.
Everyone is talking about the "2014 world cup" Raumdeuter is talking about the "2014 world cup final". Not just straws, Raumdeuter can cling on any irrelevant thing available to win an arguement.

airmark:


Boatank was so influential to Germany winning the world cup, that they forgot to name him among best players in the Team of the tournament. Yet, Hummels a german defender was named. May be hummels and boatank looked alike at the world cup, hence the mistake.

You dey mind am? He "ate Aguero and Messi" all through the game and yet the Argies were missing goals from the "stomach" of Boa Constrictor abi na BoaTANK? I blame Argentian for missing those sitters if not Raum no go dey yarn all these megedefegede.

sinizia:


One man of the match against the Argies and immediately all the efforts of Hummels, Kroos and co amount to nothing and suddenly Boawack gave Germany the WC? You think if that fool Higuain had scored his sitters all these "ate these and ate thats" would have amounted to anything? It's funny you have no link that rated Boateng above those names I listed. I guess all pundits are wrong and Raum's opinion comes tops. I no go argue this shít with you, the truth is on the web.

And no don't post the vids, I've seen the YouTube videos you posted about Baoteng months ago, very boring and doesn't place him above those ninjas I mentioned.

If Boatank didnt deliver on that final all the other performance leading to the final is wasted

Barca won the CL finals, what happened to all the effort Juve put before the final vs Madrid, Monaco etc?

Well BBC, Guardian, Rio ferdinand watched the game and they all came to one conclusion BoaTANK was the best player in the final

If you didnt watch or you watched a different game then tough luck
You saw the video and gif and still hadthe guts to yarn opat about the Boa performance at the world cup final?
Most people have never seen a defender dominate a major final like BoaTANK did till that day,. Terry never in his career.

Who will end the fight between Mourinho and Wenga .

UniqueGem:
Raumdeuter saw only the final.
Everyone is talking about the "2014 world cup" Raumdeuter is talking about the "2014 world cup final". Not just straws, Raumdeuter can cling on any irrelevant thing available to win an arguement.

Without that final performance all the other performance are useless

Barca won the CL finals, what happened to all the effort Juve put before the final vs Madrid, Monaco etc? What happened to Chiellinis heroic defending vs Monaco or tevez beastly performance in the group

Without Boatank germany wouldnt win that world cup because Argentina would have scored multiples before the 90min mark