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If You Have A Problem With Pope Francis You Have A Problem With Christ by Titilayodeji13(m): 3:17pm On Sep 27, 2015 |
I am not a Christian. But growing up in India , I was immersed in Christianity . I attended Catholic and Anglican schools from ages 5 to 18, where we would sing hymns, recite prayers and study the Scriptures . The words and actions of Pope Francis have reminded me what I , as an outsider , have always admired deeply about Christianity , that its central message is simple and powerful: Be nice to the poor . When I came to the United States in the 1980 s, I remember being surprised to see what “Christian values ” had come to mean in American culture and politics — heated debates over abortion , abstinence, contraception and gays . In 13 years of reading, reciting and studying the Bible , I didn’ t recall seeing much about these topics . That’ s because there is very little in there about them . As Garry Wills points out in his perceptive new book , “The Future of the Catholic Church with Pope Francis , ” “Many of the most prominent and contested stands taken by Catholic authorities ( most of them dealing with sex ) have nothing to do with the Gospel . ” The church ’ s positions on these matters were arrived at through interpretations of “natural law, ” which is not based on anything in the Bible . But because those grounds looked weak, conservative clergy sought to bolster their views with biblical sanction. So contraception was condemned by Pope Pius XI , Wills notes, through a pretty tortuous interpretation of a couple of lines in Genesis that say Onan “ spilled his seed on the ground ” — since it involves ejaculation without the intent of conception . The ban of women in the Catholic clergy is a similar stretch . When the Anglicans decided to ordain female priests in 1976 , Pope Paul VI presented a theological reason not to follow that path. Women could not be priests , he decreed , because Jesus never ordained a female priest. “True enough , ” Wills writes . “ But neither did he ordain any men . There are no priests ( other than the Jewish ones ) in the four Gospels . Peter and Paul and their fellows neither call themselves priests nor are called priests by others . ” Wills even takes on abortion , opposition to which some Catholics have taken as fundamental to their faith . “This is odd , ” Wills writes , “since the matter is nowhere mentioned in the Old Testament or New Testament , or in the early creeds. But some people are convinced that God must hate such an immense evil and must have expressed that hatred somewhere in his Bible . ” In fact , Wills points out, the ban is based on a complex extrapolation from vague language in one verse, Psalm 139 : 13 . If you want to understand the main message of Jesus Christ, you don ’ t have to search the Scriptures . He says it again and again . “Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God. ” Jesus has specific advice on how to handle the poor . Treat them as you would Christ himself , sell your possessions and give to the poor . When you hold a banquet, Jesus says , do not invite the wealthy and powerful , because you do so in the hope that they will return the favor and reward you. Instead, invite the dispossessed — and you will be rewarded by God. It is because he expects so much from the rich that he said that it was easier for a camel to get through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get to heaven . We live in a meritocratic age and believe that people who are successful are more admirable in some way than the rest of us. But the Bible notes that “the race is not to the swift , nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise . . . but time and chance happeneth to them all. ” In the Kingdom of Heaven, it warns , “the last shall be first , and the first last . ” In other words, be thankful for your success, but don ’ t think it makes you superior in any deep sense . Commentators have taken Francis ’ s speeches and sayings and attacked him or claimed him as a Marxist, a unionist and a radical environmentalist . I don ’ t think the pope is proposing an alternative system of politics or economics . He is simply reminding each of us that we have a moral obligation to be kind and generous to the poor and disadvantaged — especially if we have been fortunate . If you have a problem with this message, you have a problem not with Pope Francis , but with Jesus Christ. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-main-message-of-pope-francis-and-jesus/2015/09/24/997e1e54-62ea-11e5-b38e-06883aacba64_story.html |
Re: If You Have A Problem With Pope Francis You Have A Problem With Christ by munchfani: 3:19pm On Sep 27, 2015 |
SHUT UP! JORGE MARIO BERGOGLIO IS ANOTHER CRIMINAL. |
Re: If You Have A Problem With Pope Francis You Have A Problem With Christ by Nobody: 3:47pm On Sep 27, 2015 |
Op forget all those internet rant. When the trumpet will blow and the roll be called we will see who we make heaven. I believe most people fighting Catholics in disguise as christains are not Christians. If they are Christians they would understand the position the Pope and the Catholic is playing in breaking God kingdom and succor to the world. Most of them castigating the Pope and Catholics are athiest and moslems. But one thing I know for sure is that Christ promised that He will be with His church to the end of time and that gate of hell will never prevail over His church. Proudly Catholic 2 Likes |
Re: If You Have A Problem With Pope Francis You Have A Problem With Christ by tommysparks: 4:49pm On Sep 27, 2015 |
Many non catholic christians despise the Pope some out of envy for being selected to lead the largest christian denomjnation, some non catholics nowadays don't even allow thier daughters to marry catholics saying the Pope is an antichrist and am a witness to such discussions. But for the Catholic Church to stand the test of time then there must be some life within. |
Re: If You Have A Problem With Pope Francis You Have A Problem With Christ by brocab: 6:01pm On Sep 27, 2015 |
Their are two types of Christians, we have the ones who truly believe and follow after Christ true and true, and we have the others, who make their claims to be Christian and don't follow after Christ true and true. This alone confuses people in genial either atheist or lets say other religions. As we all know, millions believe in the end times-also with the world turning upside down as it is-the shy's are showing strange signs, look at the weather patterns, the earth is moving beneath our feet-tidal waves hitting the coast lines-Governments around the world are building large underground bunkers etc.. The truth is' we shouldn't focus on the mocking-people from all walks of life are worried, the Lord made it clear to us believers these things will happen, and sure enough they are. And while we search the scriptures on daily bases, watching as the earth moves around-people are running to and fro-the warning bells are ringing, people are getting ready and through frustration anger raises between our different cultures, Christians are doing what Christians do best is spreading the word with each other. It may seem to be a mocking spree-but I assure you' frustration and anger rises because people aren't listing. Try telling a teenage child, when to listen. My wife's a Catholic and she loves the Lord just as much as I love the Lord, and I am pentecostal. adeitoro: |
Re: If You Have A Problem With Pope Francis You Have A Problem With Christ by otukpo(f): 6:09pm On Sep 27, 2015 |
May God continue to bless the Pope and grant him the wisdom needed to lead the Church. |
Re: If You Have A Problem With Pope Francis You Have A Problem With Christ by hinwazaka: 6:32pm On Sep 27, 2015 |
I was born into a strict catholic family and I am still one till this day. I am a legionnaire and will be catholic till I die. But I have a big problem with this SOCIAL DEMOCRAT Pope. The bible, it's teachings, foundation of Christianity and GOD is the same yesterday, the same today and will be the same till thy kingdom come, irrespective of the beliefs of any individual or sinful lacklustre group of people. The teachings in the bible are very explicit and contains no ambiguity, whatsoever. It is clearly indicated in the bible that if you choose to act contrary to the teachings and dictates of the bible, you are destined for HELL, There are no provisions for leniency, except you take into consideration, the aspect of purgatory. It is very simple. There is no place for HOMOSEXUALS, ABORTIONISTS, DISRESPECTFUL YOUTHS and REBELS. It is right there in the bible, and if anybody, irrespective of their level of spirituality says different, then he is WRONG. Pope Francis will one day leave, but Rome, the Vatican and Christendom will always be there GOD HAS BEEN HERE SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME. HE HAS BLESSED MANY BEFORE US AND HAS STARVED MANY BEFORE US. HOW WE CHOOSE TO LIVE OUR LIFE IN NO WAY AFFECTS HIM. GOD WILL ALWAYS BE HERE, EVEB LONG AFTER WE ARE GONE.GOD WILL ALWAYS SURVIVE, NO MATTER WHAT TIME HE EXISTS IN. HE IS READY TO SURVIVE, EVEN WITHOUT US, CAN WE SURVIVE WITHOUT HIM. PEOPLE NEED GOD, GOD DOESN'T NEED PEOPLE. |
Re: If You Have A Problem With Pope Francis You Have A Problem With Christ by brocab: 6:43pm On Sep 27, 2015 |
After reading the heading on this page, it reminded me about something I was listening too, with a woman talking, she said: the Lord was speaking with her, about Obama-she said: the lord told her why Obama was ordained to be Government, only because-the people in the US disobeyed the commandments of God, like in the day's of Noah were {1}aborting babies {2}Homosexuality' men with men, women with women. When we study this-Obama was the right candidate for the job-he had only finished what USA had started, this time making it legal equally that not only man and woman-he made away that all man kind can marry who they pleased. Aborting babies and Homosexuality was already in the country before Obama had set foot on US soil. After reading about the Pope being elected, strange but surely-a flash of lighting hit the tower post as he was given power. Like the Obama story, God elects these candidates putting them in power for reasons. Every king has his role to play. |
Re: If You Have A Problem With Pope Francis You Have A Problem With Christ by brocab: 7:00pm On Sep 27, 2015 |
I have noticed you had written people need God and God doesn't need people-surprisingly you are so wrong, if God doesn't need people He wouldn't be a Jealous God-He wouldn't send His Son Jesus down to us so we can believe. God needs us as much as we need Him, God is Love, love doesn't work alone. hinwazaka: |
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