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Re: Buhari Supports The Right To Independence Of Palestine & Rejects Same For Biafra by badnature: 8:34am On Sep 30, 2015
Nigeria is the only country were idol worshipers (Yoruba) and Islamic fundamentalist,jihadists(Hausa/fulani) want to leave together by force,funny enough!against their wish,just because of the oil from BIAFRA LAND

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Re: Buhari Supports The Right To Independence Of Palestine & Rejects Same For Biafra by Intrepid01(m): 8:48am On Sep 30, 2015
themaskedman:

You seem to be so sure of what you are saying but permit me to ask just few questions.
1. Was Palestine always a sovereign nation?
2. If it's a sovereign nation as you claim, how did it manage to be?
3. If we believe that the universe has a beginning in time, what nation has always existed as sovereign?
4. Have the people who call themselves Biafrans the right to determine whether to continue to be part of Nigeria or not?

We seem to forget that Nigeria isn't a product of mutual consent and agreement. The different people who make up Nigeria today were just yoked together by a man who knows nothing about the peculiarities, differences and culture of each people. Never were the people asked if they wanted to live as one, never were they asked what name they wanted for themselves, thus if as it is the people weren't part of the plan of amalgamation ab initio, they have the right to decide not to belong any longer.


I support your view however, that a national conference needs to be convened to sort out these issues but what happens when the authorities aren't willing?
This issue isn't just about Biafra, it's about Nigeria, it's about her people, the Igbo, Yoruba, Hausa, Fulani, Igala, Efik etc. The different nations should be given the opportunity just like the Scots last year to make a choice.

ANSWER:
1. and 2. After the fall of the OTTOMAN EMPIRE in the early 18th century, all colonies within the empire existed as an independent state. Yes Palestine existed as an independent state.
3. A nation has always existed as sovereign nation if it was never at any time colonized and it is recognized by the United Nations. Example here in Africa is Ethiopia, the only African country that was not colonized because it was part of the former islamic OTTOMAN EMPIRE.
4. To assert that the people who call theirselves BIAFRA do not have the right to self determination will be hypocritic. However,we all need to understand the objective of the minority few that called for the secession in 1967. Listen, I have read quite a number of books on pre, during and post BIAFRA, engaged in discussions on BIAFRA. Igbos need to sit down and answer some serious questions before calling for the head of Nigeria. You can not always fight and run away. Attempt to always run away whenever there is an issue in Nigeria is a bad reason to leave. You people will need to convince the world that you have good reasons to leave , unfortunately.

After the fall of USSR in the early 90s, some regions were happy and rushed to form a deceptive Country called Yugoslavia, by 1996 they all realized that their problem still persisted after leaving USSR and that led to further dissolution of that Country in to several others, those other entities have further divided and are still dividing. The perceived problem of Biafra will persist even after secession and we may later have Anambra going its way, Anioma and some other parts asking for self determination. I know this is not my business but the point is Nigeria belongs to all of us, anything that will lead to the end of its existence will be a collective decision.
Re: Buhari Supports The Right To Independence Of Palestine & Rejects Same For Biafra by Intrepid01(m): 8:50am On Sep 30, 2015
20pounds:



"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance. It is the illusion of knowledge" - Stephen Hawkings.

With due respect sir, I shall advise you to study about Palestine before talking about it next time.

I am done here.

thank you sir, I''ll do that. But please take that advise too, cos it is evident you need it desperately.
Re: Buhari Supports The Right To Independence Of Palestine & Rejects Same For Biafra by honourhim: 9:32am On Sep 30, 2015
Intrepid01:


Na wa for you ooo. So Palestine was a region in a Country before shey?

Why are you not being sincere or you don't have adequate knowledge about Palestine?

Be reasonable. What was Hausa, Igbo and Yoruba before the unholy amalgamation in 1914?

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Re: Buhari Supports The Right To Independence Of Palestine & Rejects Same For Biafra by Dhugal: 10:15am On Sep 30, 2015
Intrepid01:


ANSWER:
1. and 2. After the fall of the OTTOMAN EMPIRE in the early 18th century, all colonies within the empire existed as an independent state. Yes Palestine existed as an independent state.
3. A nation has always existed as sovereign nation if it was never at any time colonized and it is recognized by the United Nations. Example here in Africa is Ethiopia, the only African country that was not colonized because it was part of the former islamic OTTOMAN EMPIRE.
4. To assert that the people who call theirselves BIAFRA do not have the right to self determination will be hypocritic. However,we all need to understand the objective of the minority few that called for the secession in 1967. Listen, I have read quite a number of books on pre, during and post BIAFRA, engaged in discussions on BIAFRA. Igbos need to sit down and answer some serious questions before calling for the head of Nigeria. You can not always fight and run away. Attempt to always run away whenever there is an issue in Nigeria is a bad reason to leave. You people will need to convince the world that you have good reasons to leave , unfortunately.

After the fall of USSR in the early 90s, some regions were happy and rushed to form a deceptive Country called Yugoslavia, by 1996 they all realized that their problem still persisted after leaving USSR and that led to further dissolution of that Country in to several others, those other entities have further divided and are still dividing. The perceived problem of Biafra will persist even after secession and we may later have Anambra going its way, Anioma and some other parts asking for self determination. I know this is not my business but the point is Nigeria belongs to all of us, anything that will lead to the end of its existence will be a collective decision.

WTH!
Who do you think you're dealing with here,kids like yourself?.
After the fall of the Ottoman empire at the end of WW1,the main middleast territories were split in two by the League of Nations n the British and French mandated to administer them.The French mandate covered present day Syria n Lebanon,while the Brit's covered today's Israel,Jordan n the Palestinian territories.In fact,the kingdom of Jordan was created by the British for the former rulers of Hejaz who had been displaced by the newly ascendant House of Saud in the Arabian peninsula.Present day Palestine was never sovereign nor independent at any point.Go pick up a book and read.
Also,Ethiopia never at any time was a part of the ottoman empire.It was an empire on its own.
Go get back your tuition fees from whatever institutions you'd passed thru,they all failed you.

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Re: Buhari Supports The Right To Independence Of Palestine & Rejects Same For Biafra by Dhugal: 10:21am On Sep 30, 2015
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"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance. It is the illusion of knowledge" - Stephen Hawkings.

With due respect sir, I shall advise you to study about Palestine before talking about it next time.

I am done here.
Guy,I really should have read this your particular post before responding to that dumbass ignoramus.
He didn't even know the Ottomans fell after the First World War as a result of allying with the defeated Germans.
Like you,I'm done with him.

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Re: Buhari Supports The Right To Independence Of Palestine & Rejects Same For Biafra by Chiaka(f): 11:07am On Sep 30, 2015
Niger delta Una don hear! its yours to decide grin lol!
Re: Buhari Supports The Right To Independence Of Palestine & Rejects Same For Biafra by Intrepid01(m): 11:22am On Sep 30, 2015
Dhugal:

WTH!
Who do you think you're dealing with here,kids like yourself?.
After the fall of the Ottoman empire at the end of WW1,the main middleast territories were split in two by the League of Nations n the British and French mandated to administer them.The French mandate covered present day Syria n Lebanon,while the Brit's covered today's Israel,Jordan n the Palestinian territories.In fact,the kingdom of Jordan was created by the British for the former rulers of Hejaz who had been displaced by the newly ascendant House of Saud in the Arabian peninsula.Present day Palestine was never sovereign nor independent at any point.Go pick up a book and read.
Also,Ethiopia never at any time was a part of the ottoman empire.It was an empire on its own.
Go get back your tuition fees from whatever institutions you'd passed thru,they all failed you.


Ooh I can see you have taken this as a contest. But sorry to disappoint you old man I am not in for it.

For you not to have known that Ethiopia formerly known as Abyssinia was part of the ottoman empire says it all. Bye
Re: Buhari Supports The Right To Independence Of Palestine & Rejects Same For Biafra by 7lives: 11:34am On Sep 30, 2015
Intrepid01:


Madam, forget about religious inclination or not. I am a Christian but any follower of world politics will know that what Israel with the support of the Western countries are doing to Palestine is totally unjust. Palestine deserves its full autonomy and should be supported the same way Israel was supported in 1948 when they became recognized as a country. As human beings our concern should be about humanity and our views should be determined by morality not on religious line.

This makes two of us, most people did not even know the origin of the crisis in the middle east but they just open their mouth and vomit all sort of rubbish.
You will hear trash like " i am a Christian that is why i support Israel, oh i am a Muslim i support the Palestines " one such people went on a pilgrimage to Israel and came back disappointed because he discovered that Jews are not even Christians.
The blood letting going on in that axis is horrible, Jesus gave us only one law, i hope those who are calling themselves Christians are aware of this law.

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Re: Buhari Supports The Right To Independence Of Palestine & Rejects Same For Biafra by Intrepid01(m): 11:41am On Sep 30, 2015
7lives:


This makes two of us, most people did not even know the origin of the crisis in the middle east but they just open their mouth and vomit all sort of rubbish.
You will hear trash like " i am a Christian that is why i support Israel, oh i am a Muslim i support the Palestines " one such people went on a pilgrimage to Israel and came back disappointed because he discovered that Jews are not even Christians.
The blood letting going on in that axis is horrible, Jesus gave us only one law, i hope those who are calling themselves Christians are aware of this law.

You just spoke the mind of many. My conclusion is many of us are just illiterate when it comes history and happenings around the world. I laugh at people when they associate with the present day Israel, some dull people even think the present day Israel is the same as the biblical Israel. they are FAST to say 'NO COUNTRY CAN EVER DEFEAT ISRAEL' yes the bibles said that. Our level of gullibility is begging for help.

I am a Christian and I know Christians are more guilty of this than muslims. Many people don't know that over 97pct of Israelis are jews, less than 2pct are muslims and an insignificant numbers are Christians.

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Re: Buhari Supports The Right To Independence Of Palestine & Rejects Same For Biafra by theDEVILisHERE: 11:58am On Sep 30, 2015
freedom96:
Hmm....palestinians have president,do you guys have president?Palestine was once an existing nation,with national rights was there anything like biafra? And lastly,palestinians don't go on investing in Israel or crying to be appointed as ministers in Israeli government,does biafra do the same?

Hypocrisy is when you want to be a minister in my country yet you want a separate county

Biafra as a nation is older than britain
Do some research and get the facts right
Re: Buhari Supports The Right To Independence Of Palestine & Rejects Same For Biafra by theDEVILisHERE: 12:08pm On Sep 30, 2015
Intrepid01:


Wow, what a comment.

Please kindly note that there was never a country or an agitation of any region amalgamated as Nigeria until 1967. What existed was a coastline place somewhere in Akwa Ibom called Biafra.

Palestine was not in existence as just a name, it was a sovereign region that has been in existence long before now. They were never a region under another country. Infact they were the first settlers in that region before Britain persuaded them to allow Israelis after the end of 2nd world war to settle there with them.

Like I have said before, Biafra was never a sovereign region in Nigeria and there was no agitation for self-recognition until 1967.

For Biafra to be actualized, one thing must happen just like it happened in Sudan in 2010. All parties involved in this unholy marriage would have to come together and ask each other if they want the marriage to continue or a re-alignment of vision and identity.

To expect the President of Nigeria that swore to defend the sovereignty of Nigeria to discuss the exit of a particular region in the country is a tall dream.

This is the major reason why it would be difficult for other parties in the Nigerian project to trust anybody from the tribe that want to secede as President because of what could happen.

Trust me, Biafra can never be achieved singularly, it will be a collective thing by all participants. Please don't tell me by force it is possible, at least if we were not alive back then, we read about the last time Biafra tried using force.

ooohh lastly, as for your first sentence that appeared insulting, I'll let it pass.


Biafran emancipation will be achieved when those working towards it have done everything required for emancipation
When that time comes nothing will stop them
Re: Buhari Supports The Right To Independence Of Palestine & Rejects Same For Biafra by gnykelly(m): 12:09pm On Sep 30, 2015
SupremeXYZ:
You are one of the reasons Whites sees Africans as less than humans.

explain
Re: Buhari Supports The Right To Independence Of Palestine & Rejects Same For Biafra by Olabestonic001(m): 12:52pm On Sep 30, 2015
Oguguah:
ok.. That is our own strategy abi?
You are correct. Thumbs up.
But my question is "why will you want to be like to be in the same country with such gullible people?", Why don't you want them to leave your country?. I know you are from south west, and you guys co operate more closely with the North politically; therefore, "Why don't you allow the flat heads down east to leave?, so you can consummate your love with your northern spouse. Or are you afraid of staying alone with the North. Or are you sure you don't want to form your own country? You guys call us drug peddlers, yet kashamu and Tinubu is not one of ours. You call us Kidnappers, yet we did not kidnap Olu falae; We did not kill the academic that was murdered by his driver early this year. You said we are corrupt, yet the worst of our step brother Jona is better than the best of Obj. What do you guys want from us? We are praying that the crude may finish, so we can see if there is anyother reason why you are still holding us here.
Peace bro


Hmmmmm, but no one is holding the Igbo's down bro. No one is doing that. Let Igbo's first show intent by relocating to their enclaves in SE and then they will see that the clamor for Biafra is easier than they imagined. But will my dear Ndigbo do that? The people of SS are always residing in their region enmasse ditto all other regions safe SE. In all reality, I can't put together Biafra being formed. A typical prosperous Igbo man wants to live large and big and is not concerned about any phantom Country his less prosperous man clamors for. He buys houses in Lagos, Abuja and Kaduna, he invests there heavily; his target is his own financial security. Do you in all honesty thinks Igbo's will have their country with the current scheme of things without loosing their investments in other regions ? Or you think because they bought properties they will still control those properties? Its an illusion to want to have life both ways; you must stick with one! Also, its obvious how Biafra can secede: let them form a cluster in their domain and invest heavily there. But, Ndigbo lacks that discipline (I'm very very sure) to do without making more money from other regions. if in just 3months away from FG alignments, they are already as confused as they are depicting themselves as a desperate lot, then it shown they haven't learn politics at all! They are just masters of blackmail: who thinks by shouting foul play, they can have their ways. They can contradict themselves so much. They want Biafra but still wishes to own a property in Abuja or Lagos. They cry Biafra but take the next available opportunity in Oyo. Contradiction is dangerous. Get Biafra if you want, get Nigeria if you desire. Hate a presidential candidate and do not expect to fill his cabinet: only expect dividend of democracy not cabinet largesse. Cry if PMB does not give light and basic infrastructure. Cry if there is insecurity. Cry for such things but stop crying for appointment! Matured people looks at Key Performance Indices (KPI), immatured people looks at ethnic sentiments.

How are you bro?
Re: Buhari Supports The Right To Independence Of Palestine & Rejects Same For Biafra by jpphilips(m): 1:42pm On Sep 30, 2015
FreeGlobe:
As culled from his speech at UNGA



Is it not hypocritical for Buhari to openly declare support for the self-determination of Palestine "without any further delay" and reject to do same for Biafra.. Is this not confusion, hypocrisy or both?


How did Buhari stop you from having Biafra?
Re: Buhari Supports The Right To Independence Of Palestine & Rejects Same For Biafra by Nobody: 2:22pm On Sep 30, 2015
in this age, I think biafra is the easiest thing to achieve. just recall your federal representatives, declare your sovereign state of biafra to the whole world. Nigeria can't do poo as the world would not watch as innocent people are being killed for what is their right. but all I have been seeing online is blackmail. insulting Nigerian president and tribes.
for your information, yoruba nation can never support injustice. we can never join anybody to fight you. just don't encroach our land.
forget those that taunt you guys online, they only think that you guys are not serious about it.
Re: Buhari Supports The Right To Independence Of Palestine & Rejects Same For Biafra by nkemdilem: 10:17pm On Sep 30, 2015
Intrepid01:


Ooh I can see you have taken this as a contest. But sorry to disappoint you old man I am not in for it.

For you not to have known that Ethiopia formerly known as Abyssinia was part of the ottoman empire says it all. Bye

BS! You are making a fool of out of yourself. Abyssinia (a christian kingdom) was never part of the ottoman empire. Get your facts straight! The Abyssinian Empire together with christian Portuguese fought the Ottoman Empire hard and prevailed in the 15th century. Have you ever heard Ethiopia to be the longest (2000 years) existing independent nation in Africa?
Re: Buhari Supports The Right To Independence Of Palestine & Rejects Same For Biafra by adoinem(f): 10:22pm On Sep 30, 2015
The two are not comparable.

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