scholes0:


Many african groups beads though, but they were mostly made of glass ceramic or stone.
Do you know the origin of coral beads?

aim5:


We get it! Now move on

Ihuomadinihu:

Wrong! Nri has everything to do with Igbos,it is part and parcel of Igbo history. Same way you can't discuss Edo without mentioning Erode walls. What did Igbos adapt from Benin?? Don't tell me that bead and wrapper nonesense.

Ihuomadinihu:

Wrong! Nri has everything to do with Igbos,it is part and parcel of Igbo history. Same way you can't discuss Edo without mentioning Erode walls. What did Igbos adapt from Benin?? Don't tell me that bead and wrapper nonesense.

tonychristopher:


Lol

Take on him intellectually


I trust you

ezeagu:


The fact that they're mainly found in the Mediterranean makes me think they came through Benin via Portuguese.

ezeagu:


The fact that they're mainly found in the Mediterranean makes me think they came through Benin via Portuguese.

fratermathy:


"Nonsense".


I repeat, there is no relationship between the age of an ethnic group or even its monuments and the possibility of cultural hegemony, adulteration and otherwise by a neighbouring group.! This is exactly the reason why Itsekiris no longer speak Yoruba and Ika's Igbo is diluted amidst other instances. Apart from linguistic factors, cultural superimposition takes place especially when trade and marriage are concerned.

fratermathy:


I am ready to do this all year round.

PreciousBro:


would you also say the same of the igbos in the western and northern axis without the Nri parahenalia in their regalia ?

i know you have a point though, its just that i find that your statement rather hasty and almost fallacious given the fact that the igbos in the southern axis could share similarities with other ethnic groups they co exist with side by side, and hasty in the sense thatyou jumped the whole western and northern axis(places more similar in their prerogatives and royal rights with the edo/benin groups) to the southern igbos.....

That they have almost same emblems in their beads doesnt warrant such conclusive and seemingly farce statement.

tonychristopher:

.and in your geography you think it's only the Benin that deal with Mediterranean and beside that Benin isn't a littoral state and it is landlocked


I am thinking of Igbo speaking opobo or even ijaw ...Benin was never known as merchants or sea fearing people


Now find another gist

Ihuomadinihu:

You spewed nonesense and you don't want to believe it's nonesense. What did Igbos adapt from Edos other than ''colonial tales'' of how edo brought kingship?

Ihuomadinihu:

Through the sea or Trans Saharan trade. The beads found in Igboukwu was also found in Mali.

Ihuomadinihu:

They were imported o! Chicken is also imported via Lagos wharf, it doesn't mean that Lagos own the imported chickens.

tonychristopher:

.and in your geography you think it's only the Benin that deal with Mediterranean and beside that Benin isn't a littoral state and it is landlocked


I am thinking of Igbo speaking opobo or even ijaw ...Benin was never known as merchants or sea fearing people


Now find another gist

ezeagu:


There was no such thing as eze in Imo or Abia state before 1920 apart from Arochukwu. The other parts you mentioned have Edo and Igala influence, the so called southern axis have 'nativised' their warrant chiefs and used the Edo system of governance with a king and council of elders. I just used the dressing as well as the importing of the 'excess' use of coral beads by their "lolo" to give an example of how the Edo influenced these petty pseudo-monarchies. The pattern was Edo > Anioma > Onitsha > then through a general Igbo culture all of that was mixed up and adopted by the Imo and Abia hamlets.

Ihuomadinihu:

I can't remember adressing you. I have noticed how you respond to people like a 5 yr old boy on this forum. You just don't have any reasonable contribution to make.

ezeagu:


That's what I said.



The Kalabari and the Riverine Ibibio know as Efik also dealt with them, but Benin was of chief importance to all Europeans on the 'slave coast', hence the naming the Bight of Benin. To the Edo red was a very significant and royal colour.

tonychristopher:


If it is sea then you missed it because Benin in ure never had vessels and they are not water fronts

If it is through Sahara then they must have copied it from northern igbo which is near to sahel region like nsuka

So give me another gistv

tonychristopher:

.and in your geography you think it's only the Benin that deal with Mediterranean and beside that Benin isn't a littoral state and it is landlocked


I am thinking of Igbo speaking opobo or even ijaw ...Benin was never known as merchants or sea fearing people


Now find another gist

ezeagu:


That's what I said.



The Kalabari and the Riverine Ibibio know as Efik also dealt with them, but Benin was of chief importance to all Europeans on the 'slave coast', hence the naming the Bight of Benin. To the Edo red was a very significant and royal colour.

tonychristopher:


So why must you use the term that Igbo kingship is taken from edo ..what a travesty ?/

Igbo is Republican even till date and their leadership is by consensus
While edo is monarchy and their leadership is by hereditary so why do you offend people sensibilities by posting badly research report

You have also given me how confused you are by saying delta is your tribe

If you tell me that there are cultural exchange between western Igbo and edo I can understand not all Igbo


Do you even know the distance between nsuka and Benin or ngwa and Benin


They never had contacts

Igbo women don't dress like edo


Pls accept these basic facts and corrections and know that you have been found wanting

Also have you checked the carbon dating of Igbo ukwu or nri artefact and also check if they have the same artistic style with your phantom edo


Dude you don goof here


Just accept it

aim5:


Actually I have made reasonable contributions on this forum. You're say I respond to people like a 5 year old ha interesting. You also said that the Igbos don't dress like Edos which I agree with, but to undermine Benin's influence in parts of Igboland is ludicrous.

Ihuomadinihu:

You spewed nonesense and you don't want to believe it's nonesense. What did Igbos adapt from Edos other than ''colonial tales'' of how edo brought kingship?

fratermathy:


"Nonsense".


I repeat, there is no relationship between the age of an ethnic group or even its monuments and the possibility of cultural hegemony, adulteration and otherwise by a neighbouring group.! This is exactly the reason why Itsekiris no longer speak Yoruba and Ika's Igbo is diluted amidst other instances. Apart from linguistic factors, cultural superimposition takes place especially when trade and marriage are concerned.

ezeagu:


There was no such thing as eze in Imo or Abia state before 1920 apart from Arochukwu. The other parts you mentioned have Edo and Igala influence, the so called southern axis have 'nativised' their warrant chiefs and used the Edo system of governance with a king and council of elders. I just used the dressing as well as the importing of the 'excess' use of coral beads by their "lolo" to give an example of how the Edo influenced these petty pseudo-monarchies. The pattern was Edo > Anioma > Onitsha > then through a general Igbo culture all of that was mixed up and adopted by the Imo and Abia hamlets.

fratermathy:

I never said Igbo kingship is taken from Edo. I said "modelled after". If you are a good researcher as you pride yourself to be, you should know the semantic import of words matter alot! Even on the premise that you have established, Igbos do not, by culture, have kingship systems. So how did it find its way into modern igbo society? why are kings revered like deities and adorned with royal paraphernalia? Where else could it be copied from? The Ibibios have no kingship as at that neither did Arochukwu as some have claimed. What obtained in Arochukwu was royal priesthood.

Igbos are not republican in traditional systems of leadership! Granted, they may be a few exceptions but do not generalise! Watch Igbo movies, read Igbo novels, visit Igboland, hereditary kingship is a norm! The "Igwe" factor is enmeshed in the people's psyche so I wonder where your statement comes from. Secondly, a bad research report would be tackled by sane people in the right manner! If it is bad, fish out the issue and counter the data with yours! I am very careful when choosing words, you should learn from that.


I never said Delta is my tribe. I said I am from Delta! Maybe you have a problem with understanding scribbles. That's your issue, not mine.



Distance is no barrier in cultural adaptation. Lagos is far from Benin yet the monarchical system of Lagos was started by a Benin Oba. Oba Ewuare's reach extended into Benin Republic. So Nsukka is but a stonethrow. The Oba even visited the home of Ubiesha Atakpo in 11 Egbo Street, Kokori in less than a day! Pre-colonial people had their ways. Igbos and Benin people traded together. The Igbo people bought imported wares from the Benin people, Igbo land was used to access Ibibio land by the Benins and so on.

No "goofing" has occurred! What occurred is a misconception of message and intent and the use of uncouth careless statements to address them.

tonychristopher:


Go back and check the dating of NRI and Igbo ukwu artefacts

Compare them with Benin


That is when I can take you serious but as of what you post

I consider it a muse or even a fable

fratermathy:

I never said Igbo kingship is taken from Edo. I said "modelled after". If you are a good researcher as you pride yourself to be, you should know the semantic import of words matter alot! Even on the premise that you have established, Igbos do not, by culture, have kingship systems. So how did it find its way into modern igbo society? why are kings revered like deities and adorned with royal paraphernalia? Where else could it be copied from? The Ibibios have no kingship as at that neither did Arochukwu as some have claimed. What obtained in Arochukwu was royal priesthood.

Igbos are not republican in traditional systems of leadership! Granted, they may be a few exceptions but do not generalise! Watch Igbo movies, read Igbo novels, visit Igboland, hereditary kingship is a norm! The "Igwe" factor is enmeshed in the people's psyche so I wonder where your statement comes from. Secondly, a bad research report would be tackled by sane people in the right manner! If it is bad, fish out the issue and counter the data with yours! I am very careful when choosing words, you should learn from that.


I never said Delta is my tribe. I said I am from Delta! Maybe you have a problem with understanding scribbles. That's your issue, not mine.



Distance is no barrier in cultural adaptation. Lagos is far from Benin yet the monarchical system of Lagos was started by a Benin Oba. Oba Ewuare's reach extended into Benin Republic. So Nsukka is but a stonethrow. The Oba even visited the home of Ubiesha Atakpo in 11 Egbo Street, Kokori in less than a day! Pre-colonial people had their ways. Igbos and Benin people traded together. The Igbo people bought imported wares from the Benin people, Igbo land was used to access Ibibio land by the Benins and so on.

No "goofing" has occurred! What occurred is a misconception of message and intent and the use of uncouth careless statements to address them.

Ihuomadinihu:

Too much Nollywood is giving you false impression about Igbos. Yes, Igbo runs a democratic governance. Try again!

PreciousBro:


Well ,this will be the first time i am hearing ofsuch. I am very sure this tale doesnt in any way include the Aro-community in Imo state, like Orkigwe-Orlu-Nkwerre-Ideato axis as we all know the migration and era of the Aro confederacy predates the edo history and hegemony on igbos.

fratermathy:

And you cant even spell "Nonsense" after I have corrected you! Whewwwww!