ezeagu:

It's not really hegemony, it's more of borrowing.

fratermathy:

I never said Igbo kingship is taken from Edo. I said "modelled after". If you are a good researcher as you pride yourself to be, you should know the semantic import of words matter alot! Even on the premise that you have established, Igbos do not, by culture, have kingship systems. So how did it find its way into modern igbo society? why are kings revered like deities and adorned with royal paraphernalia? Where else could it be copied from? The Ibibios have no kingship as at that neither did Arochukwu as some have claimed. What obtained in Arochukwu was royal priesthood.

Igbos are not republican in traditional systems of leadership! Granted, they may be a few exceptions but do not generalise! Watch Igbo movies, read Igbo novels, visit Igboland, hereditary kingship is a norm! The "Igwe" factor is enmeshed in the people's psyche so I wonder where your statement comes from. Secondly, a bad research report would be tackled by sane people in the right manner! If it is bad, fish out the issue and counter the data with yours! I am very careful when choosing words, you should learn from that.


I never said Delta is my tribe. I said I am from Delta! Maybe you have a problem with understanding scribbles. That's your issue, not mine.



Distance is no barrier in cultural adaptation. Lagos is far from Benin yet the monarchical system of Lagos was started by a Benin Oba. Oba Ewuare's reach extended into Benin Republic. So Nsukka is but a stonethrow. The Oba even visited the home of Ubiesha Atakpo in 11 Egbo Street, Kokori in less than a day! Pre-colonial people had their ways. Igbos and Benin people traded together. The Igbo people bought imported wares from the Benin people, Igbo land was used to access Ibibio land by the Benins and so on.

No "goofing" has occurred! What occurred is a misconception of message and intent and the use of uncouth careless statements to address them.

fratermathy:


I've told you before and I reiterate again, THE AGE OF A CULTURAL ENTITY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ITS POTENTIALITY OF BEING AN HEGEMONIC INFLUENCE OR BEING HEGEMONICALLY INFLUENCED! If you cant understand this simple concept then it doesn't surprise me why you cant understand all that I have been hampering.

fratermathy:
Igbos are not republican in traditional systems of leadership! Granted, they may be a few exceptions but do not generalise! Watch Igbo movies, read Igbo novels, visit Igboland, hereditary kingship is a norm! The "Igwe" factor is enmeshed in the people's psyche so I wonder where your statement comes from. Secondly, a bad research report would be tackled by sane people in the right manner! If it is bad, fish out the issue and counter the data with yours! I am very careful when choosing words, you should learn from that.

aim5:


Some even say that Dahomey was named after the Esan general Isidahomen.. also quite a few Sao Tome people speak a Creolized form of Edo. These people so insecure they can't admit that Benin Kingdom spread through some parts of West Africa.

Ihuomadinihu:

Borrowed what?

fratermathy:


Now cite ANY IGBO Community or Kingdom that runs a democracy in every conception of that word. If you do this successfully, I'll apologise and backoff, if you cant, just learn from this saga.

tonychristopher:



Ok let's agree to disagree

Tell us how Igbo kingship is similar to that of Benin

Just give me two aspects


Before we talk I am Igbo well grounded

Where are you from ? I mean your tribe

Ihuomadinihu:

Backoff! Bro,you should backoff not me. Igbo with or without an Igwe or Eze runs a democratic culture. This is as basic as A, B , C and D. If you need answers about Igbos then go make you research instead of projecting falsehood about a diverse group of people.

ezeagu:


See Anioma/Onicha/Obosi/Ekpeye/Oguta history.

funkiebully:
This OP drink soured kaikai to say that igbos dress like Edo? Imagine the misinformation. What is the population of Edo that igbos will copy Kingship and dressing from

U must be a mischievious person.

fratermathy:


I am paternally Urhobo and Maternally Igbo!

Igbo Kingship is similar to that of Edo from many angles:
1. Hereditary factor which is common place in some Igbo monarchical system. i.e. Onitsha, Agbor, Asaba, etc
2. The Royal Dressing which is usually monochronic and regaled with beads on hands, legs and neck.
3. The use of traditional offices such as that of the prime minister, chief king maker, etc etc
4. The reverence ascribed to the monarch. In Igboland, the Igwe/Eze is adorned by the people. This goes contrary to the Republican theory you proffered.
5. The use of royal insignia, monikers and totems. In classic Nri times, these were not present as there were no use of time. What obtained were titles that pertained to strength, wealth, vitality, etc. Monikers, totemic symbols and allied features of Edo monarchy filtered their way into Igbo land over time.

tonychristopher:


Big grammar

Answer my questions for posterity sake

Ihuomadinihu:

Oh my goodness!! What's all this. I have explained igbo leadership severally. These People you are mentioning are not Igbo kings, igbo people are not subject to their authority and influence. Nothing concerns me with the Asagba of Asaba. Igbo leadership and tradition is not modelled after any Edo. Shut the hell up!!!

Ihuomadinihu:

Nobody is above mistakes as we all typing fast. So pick a different fight not my spelling skills.

fratermathy:


I am paternally Urhobo and Maternally Igbo!

Igbo Kingship is similar to that of Edo from many angles:
1. Hereditary factor which is common place in some Igbo monarchical system. i.e. Onitsha, Agbor, Asaba, etc
2. The Royal Dressing which is usually monochronic and regaled with beads on hands, legs and neck.
3. The use of traditional offices such as that of the prime minister, chief king maker, etc etc
4. The reverence ascribed to the monarch. In Igboland, the Igwe/Eze is adorned by the people. This goes contrary to the Republican theory you proffered.
5. The use of royal insignia, monikers and totems. In classic Nri times, these were not present as there were no use of time. What obtained were titles that pertained to strength, wealth, vitality, etc. Monikers, totemic symbols and allied features of Edo monarchy filtered their way into Igbo land over time.

tonychristopher:


Bunkum

fratermathy:


Gee... I should shut up!. Dont forget that you have appointed yourself as the herald and priestess of Igbo culture today. Anything you do or say will be used to judge how your people behave.

That said, if Asaba, Agbor, Onitsha, Enugu, etc, are not Igbo going by what you have said, then where exactly is Igboland? Maybe its your village right? Or are you one of the subscribers to the idea that there are "real igbos" and "fake igbos". Such childish thought!

Ihuomadinihu:

It's a pity though! These things you mention are found in all most all African cultures. From the use of beads to noble titles etc.
Perhaps,you should learn about the Nri Kingdom and how their kings were crowned way before any mention of Edo whatever! Whooooo! Disillusion is high on this thread.

fratermathy:


[s]Gee... I should shut up!. Dont forget that you have appointed yourself as the herald and priestess of Igbo culture today. Anything you do or say will be used to judge how your people behave.

That said, if Asaba, Agbor, Onitsha, Enugu, etc, are not Igbo going by what you have said, then where exactly is Igboland? Maybe its your village right? Or are you one of the subscribers to the idea that there are "real igbos" and "fake igbos". Such childish thought![/s]

fratermathy:


I am paternally Urhobo and Maternally Igbo!

Igbo Kingship is similar to that of Edo from many angles:
1. Hereditary factor which is common place in some Igbo monarchical system. i.e. Onitsha, Agbor, Asaba, etc
2. The Royal Dressing which is usually monochronic and regaled with beads on hands, legs and neck.
3. The use of traditional offices such as that of the prime minister, chief king maker, etc etc
4. The reverence ascribed to the monarch. In Igboland, the Igwe/Eze is adorned by the people. This goes contrary to the Republican theory you proffered.
5. The use of royal insignia, monikers and totems. In classic Nri times, these were not present as there were no use of time. What obtained were titles that pertained to strength, wealth, vitality, etc. Monikers, totemic symbols and allied features of Edo monarchy filtered their way into Igbo land over time.

Ihuomadinihu:

Lol,see how this one is putting words on my mouth! I am teaching you. Those Asaba and Onitsha people don't speak nor stand for the entire Igbo nation unlike the Edo kings. So you can't say that Igbo is modelled after Edo. What trash!

fratermathy:


Gee... I should shut up!. Dont forget that you have appointed yourself as the herald and priestess of Igbo culture today. Anything you do or say will be used to judge how your people behave.

That said, if Asaba, Agbor, Onitsha, Enugu, etc, are not Igbo going by what you have said, then where exactly is Igboland? Maybe its your village right? Or are you one of the subscribers to the idea that there are "real igbos" and "fake igbos". Such childish thought!

Ihuomadinihu:

Lol, see how this one is putting words on my mouth! I am teaching you. Those Asaba and Onitsha people don't speak nor stand for the entire Igbo nation unlike the Edo kings. So you can't say that Igbo is modelled after Edo. What trash!

PreciousBro:

These four igbo towns you mentioned are situated in the western and northern axis of igboland,a point i have tried to sync into ezeagu's grasp as testament to the strength of whatever influence or borrowed stuff you all are talking about.it has zero impact on the southern igbos. ooh well
...i don taya jare

ezeagu:


Some of this is untrue, especially point 5. And you can't really say the Obi system is the same as Edo customs because even that was adapted when it was borrowed. What is the same is the imported warrant chiefs who copied Edo style in the 20th century. And point 4 I've already talked about.

melzabull:
I noticed too! that's why I asked him to shut up in my own way. He is beginning to reveal his evil intentijns

fratermathy:


The hierophant of Igbo nation has said "What trash" again.

That said, if Asaba and Onitsha people cant speak for the entire Igbo nation, then who can? You? or your own community?

You can never deny the fact that Monarchy has far more reach in Igboland than any other system you want to mention! When I say Edo kingdom, it has no representational delineation so I do not see why Igbo should be any different. Even in Arochukwu, the heart of Igbo, there is a monarch known as Eze Aro! So what are we saying?

PreciousBro:

These four igbo towns you mentioned are situated in the western and northern axis of igboland,a point i have tried to sync into ezeagu's grasp as testament to the strength of whatever influence or borrowed stuff you all are talking about.it has zero impact on the southern igbos. ooh well
...i don taya jare

aim5:


Nope. The Isidahomen story may or may not be true but some people from Sao Tome and Principe have Edo words in their Creolized lingua due to the fact that the Portuguese and Edo traded with each other.