People don't seem to understand that Edo has borrowed just as much as it has given to Igboland. The days of their calendar were taken from Igboland and they even have an Igbo influenced deity named Ikegobo from Ikenga, the deity of the right hand. So to talk about Edo cultural hegemony in Igboland would be wrong especially among the Western Igbo who have historically fought off Benin suppression.

fratermathy:


and you my friend, are intellectually handicapped and adamantly intrusive.

he is becoming paranoid

melzabull:
In you op, you gave the impression that Igbo 'borrowed from' or 'modelled after' Benin women in dressing. If you stated they were similar that's understandable and unarguable but you made bit sound like they 'stole' 'copied' from, hence the contest.

And yes i agree that some igboid group came into contact with edo with a little influence

Now we are talking. You just prove yourself to be sane and I hereby withdraw any abusive statement made against your person.

Igbos did not steal or copy Edos. They modelled their system "LIKE" that of the Edos.

fratermathy:


And you are intellectually myopic and verbally unpolished.

One way to know an empty vessel that has lost steam is when he resorts to insults



Good night


You have finally disgraced yourself here.I will leave you to women so that they can finally take you to cleaners Mr. Verbally polished


Next time do research before you post ...don't be intellectually lazy and docile

ezeagu:
People don't seem to understand that Edo has borrowed just as much as it has given to Igboland. The days of their calendar were taken from Igboland and they even have an Igbo influenced deity named Ikegobo from Ikenga, the deity of the right hand. So to talk about Edo cultural hegemony in Igboland would be wrong especially among the Western Igbo who have historically fought off Benin suppression.

Your statement seems somewhat plausible. Unlike your brothers/sisters here.

Ihuomadinihu:

If i say Edo women also copied Igbo dressing,how does it sound? My friend,these were one people that we can't even trace their origin or history. It is only plausible they share same customs and way of life. But to say that everything about Igbo was copied from Edo is a dumb overstatement. Stay in your lane!

Where did I say EVERY IGBO?

Words, words, words again. If I speak now, you'd accuse me of spoon-feeding you with words.

The percentage of Igbo land that had monarchical systems "AKIN" to the Edo system is far higher than those without such. Hence, by virtue of percentage, generalisation is free to occur except declared with exceptions.

fratermathy:


So now you point is that Igbos produced beads right?

Maybe you dont know that the first bead import to the shores of Nigeria was at the behest of a Benin Oba.

I wont even argue on that because it relegate my intellectual acuity.

I have nothing against the Igbos. Heck, I am half Igbo. I also have no aversion to the Edos. I am not even one.
My point is simple, where cultural groups come together, one is usually dominant and its dominance reflects directly or indirectly in the surrounding groups. The Igboid groups I know and can account for were influenced by Edo kingdom. You can continue arguing this for 10 years. I'll stand my ground with even more proof.

You still on the bead thing! OMG! Igbos were already importing Venice and Egyptian beads.
Any group is free to use coral beads according to their fashion sense. Stop with the bead issue,it's so stale!

fratermathy:


Now we are talking. You just prove yourself to be sane and I hereby withdraw any abusive statement made against your person.

Igbos did not steal or copy Edos. They modelled their system "LIKE" that of the Edos.

He has lost steam and has lost choice of words to use in his I'll researched report

Too much copy and paste

tonychristopher:


One way to know an empty vessel that has lost steam is when he resorts to insults



Good night


You have finally disgraced yourself here.I will leave you to women so that they can finally take you to cleaners Mr. Verbally polished


Next time do research before you post ...don't be intellectually lazy and docile

Do you even know what insults are? Everyone who reads our posts will know who insulted who.

Feel free to give up. I wanted this to go on forever let me deflate that ethnic brigandry of yours.

fratermathy:


Now we are talking. You just prove yourself to be sane and I hereby withdraw any abusive statement made against your person.

Igbos did not steal or copy Edos. They modelled their system "LIKE" that of the Edos.

I will forgive your churlishness and your remorsefulness is noted.

Bother sides had sizeable influences on the other as ezeagu noted

tonychristopher:


One way to know an empty vessel that has lost steam is when he resorts to insults



Good night


You have finally disgraced yourself here.I will leave you to women so that they can finally take you to cleaners Mr. Verbally polished


Next time do research before you post ...don't be intellectually lazy and docile

Imagine!

tonychristopher:



He has lost steam and has lost choice of words to use in his I'll researched report

Too much copy and paste

Copy and Paste.

Not everyone copied and pasted their way through school.
Im sure your myopic brains told you I copied and pasted all my comments since the inception of this cul-de-sac argument.

Ihuomadinihu:

You still on the bead thing! OMG! Igbos were already importing Venice and Egyptian beads.
Any group is free to use coral beads according to their fashion sense. Stop with the bead issue,it's so stale!

The dude said Igbo borrowed bead from edo as if edo had vessels that navigate the seas or edo had ports

Edo were never traders nor sailors

fratermathy:


Copy and Paste.

Not everyone copied and pasted their way through school.

So you can beat your chest and say you researched this bunkun

tonychristopher:


The dude said Igbo borrowed bead from edo as if edo had vessels that navigate the seas or edo had ports

Edo were never traders nor sailors

If you can read. I said Edo imported from Portuguese. That is my problem with you. You are too young to be doing this to yourself.

tonychristopher:


The dude said Igbo borrowed bead from edo as if edo had vessels that navigate the seas or edo had ports

Edo were never traders nor sailors

The Edo were never traders? They traded with Portuguese.

melzabull:
I will forgive your churlishness and your remorsefulness is noted.

Bother sides had sizeable influences on the other as ezeagu noted

Simple and he won't admit that

tonychristopher:


So you can beat your chest and say you researched this bunkun

Call it bunkum. It can always beat the best you've got! Doubt that and lets continue this.

fratermathy:


So now you point is that Igbos produced beads right?

Maybe you dont know that the first bead import to the shores of Nigeria was at the behest of a Benin Oba.

No. These are from 9th century 'Igboland'.

somegirl1:

You are wrong. Igbo women tie ichafu-isi, not gele.

we use beads also on our head,ankles and waist. It's popularly known as jigida hope am correct.

We as well tie 2 wrappers known as Hollanndis and scarf to go with. Don't have pictures to butress my point but your first pics and that of op says it all.

Omo yoruba l'emi o! Ijesha de ni mere! @op doz emirs gat me laughing*dia looks reminds me of balogun sambisa*

melzabull:
I will forgive your churlishness and your remorsefulness is noted.

Bother sides had sizeable influences on the other as ezeagu noted

I withdraw my statements because you made a sound argument. Lets not get lost in the moment and use words such as "churlishness"/

aim5:


The Edo were never traders? Are you kidding me?

Traded in what ..they were never known as traders ....nor sea fearers Benin never had an important merchant town akin to ancient Onitsha banks or Kano trans Sahara route

Name one edo merchant town ?

lyntiffany:
we use beads also on out head,ankles and waist. It's popularly known as jigida hope a correct.

We as well tie 2 wrappers known as Holland is and scarf to go with. Don't have pictures to butress my point but your first pics and that of op says all.

Yes

And mind you therr are various beads in ancient Igbo and this varies from place to place some people use white some cream while others reddish color

Ihuomadinihu:

You still on the bead thing! OMG! Igbos were already importing Venice and Egyptian beads.
Any group is free to use coral beads according to their fashion sense. Stop with the bead issue,it's so stale!

Importing Venetian and Egyptian Beads in the 15th-18th centuries.!

I give you hands for your ethnic brigandry. It is an archetype.

tonychristopher:

He is very incorrigible and adamant

Its always risky to leave these 'hypothesis/conclusions' unchecked or unchallenged

tonychristopher:

Simple and he won't admit that

Lets hope he does...lol

ika people .

melzabull:
Its always risky to leave these 'hypothesis/conclusions' unchecked or unchallenged

Lets hope he does...lol

He won't

ezeagu:


No. These are from 9th century 'Igboland'.

Although you make sensible and provable statements. You and I know that these beads are not the same with that worn by Edo royalty.

fratermathy:


Importing Venetian and Egyptian Beads in the 15th-18th centuries.!

I give you hands for your ethnic brigandry. It is an archetype.

Wit all your intellectual gymanstics and acrobatics you can't decipher sacarsm


Hian

fratermathy:


Although you make sensible and provable statements. You and I know that these beads are not the same with that worn by Edo royalty.

Yes, those were corals, while these are glass and other precious beads. But you said Benin were the first to import beads.

fratermathy:


I withdraw my statements because you made a sound argument. Lets not get lost in the moment and use words such as "churlishness"/

I'm not one to get lost in the heat in the moment.

Making abusive statements like 'intelectually handicapped' isn't churlish? I guest its charitable then? Interesting!