fratermathy:

Importing Venetian and Egyptian Beads in the 15th-18th centuries.!
I give you hands for your ethnic brigandry. It is an archetype.

melzabull:
Its always risky to leave these 'hypothesis/conclusions' unchecked or unchallenged

Lets hope he does...lol

Ihuomadinihu:

You need serious lectures about Igbos,unfortunately is bedtime.

fratermathy:


Importing Venetian and Egyptian Beads in the 15th-18th centuries.!

I give you hands for your ethnic brigandry. It is an archetype.

fratermathy:


Call it bunkum. It can always beat the best you've got! Doubt that and lets continue this.

tonychristopher:

Yes

And mind you therr are various beads in ancient Igbo and this varies from place to place some people use white some cream while others reddish color

ezeagu:


"Regardless, the talent of these casters was truly astonishing. Many of the castings were made in stages. For instance, in one bronze bowl set on a flat stand found at Igbo-Ukwu, small decorative items including insects and spirals were cast first and placed in the wax model before the main parts of the bowl were made. The vessel itself was then cast in two parts and fitted together by casting a middle band. In addition to a variety of ritual vessels (whose designs appear to reproduce the form of gourd vessels to which metal handles have been attached), many other bronze items have been found at Igbo-Ukwu, including pendants, crowns and breastplates, staff ornaments, swords, and fly-whisk handles. These works were also found with tens of thousands of beads, attained through trade for slaves, ivory, or spices. Igbo-Ukwu bronzeworking was an isolated phenomenon at the time, but bronze casting developed several centuries later in other parts of Nigeria."

http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/igbo/hd_igbo.htm

ezeagu:


"Regardless, the talent of these casters was truly astonishing. Many of the castings were made in stages. For instance, in one bronze bowl set on a flat stand found at Igbo-Ukwu, small decorative items including insects and spirals were cast first and placed in the wax model before the main parts of the bowl were made. The vessel itself was then cast in two parts and fitted together by casting a middle band. In addition to a variety of ritual vessels (whose designs appear to reproduce the form of gourd vessels to which metal handles have been attached), many other bronze items have been found at Igbo-Ukwu, including pendants, crowns and breastplates, staff ornaments, swords, and fly-whisk handles. These works were also found with tens of thousands of beads, attained through trade for slaves, ivory, or spices. Igbo-Ukwu bronzeworking was an isolated phenomenon at the time, but bronze casting developed several centuries later in other parts of Nigeria."

http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/igbo/hd_igbo.htm

fratermathy:


Although you make sensible and provable statements. You and I know that these beads are not the same with that worn by Edo royalty.

nwanlecha:
Biko all I want to correct is the false impression that head-tie which we Ndi Igbo call ichafu, is a yoruba creation. Yorubas have always been known for their aso-oke and not ichafu. The fact that yoruba women now tie ichafu which they call 'gele,' does not in any way make it a yoruba creation or part of the ancient yoruba culture. Also the yorubas certainly don't own the music industry. I don't know where the OP got such silly notion from.
@OP, instead of indulging in this unnecessary argument, don't you think it will be better for you to make the appropriate correction in your write up? Simply describe the Igbo culture without likening it to that of the Benin people, in order not to insult the sensibility of the great and unique Igbo nation.That is certainly not too much to ask is it?

nwanlecha:
Biko all I want to correct is the false impression that head-tie which we Ndi Igbo call ichafu, is a yoruba creation. Yorubas have always been known for their aso-oke and not ichafu. The fact that yoruba women now tie ichafu which they call 'gele,' does not in any way make it a yoruba creation or part of the ancient yoruba culture. Also the yorubas certainly don't own the music industry. I don't know where the OP got such silly notion from.
@OP, instead of indulging in this unnecessary argument, don't you think it will be better for you to make the appropriate correction in your write up? Simply describe the Igbo culture without likening it to that of the Benin people, in order not to insult the sensibility of the great and unique Igbo nation.That is certainly not too much to ask is it?

nwanlecha:
Biko all I want to correct is the false impression that head-tie which we Ndi Igbo call ichafu, is a yoruba creation. Yorubas have always been known for their aso-oke and not ichafu. The fact that yoruba women now tie ichafu which they call 'gele,' does not in any way make it a yoruba creation or part of the ancient yoruba culture. Also the yorubas certainly don't own the music industry. I don't know where the OP got such silly notion from.
@OP, instead of indulging in this unnecessary argument, don't you think it will be better for you to make the appropriate correction in your write up? Simply describe the Igbo culture without likening it to that of the Benin people, in order not to insult the sensibility of the great and unique Igbo nation.That is certainly not too much to ask is it?

Ihuomadinihu:

Coral beads are imported beads which were sold to Africans. Are you trying to say that only Edos have exclusive right to use what was brought by white traders or what? OMG!

Ihuomadinihu:

Coral beads are imported beads which were sold to Africans. Are you trying to say that only Edos have exclusive right to use what was brought by white traders or what? OMG!

tonychristopher:


No mind that guy ...edo had the franchise from Europe

Lol

boskolin:
Igbo have no culture, they are Jewish wannabe.

fratermathy:


Doesn't explain Venetian and Egyptian importation. If they could cast theirs, then why import?

In any case, the issue of beads have been settled. The beads worn by royalty are not the same worn by the common man. Where they come from makes the difference. It was fashionable to get Portugues beads then which were majorly sold by Benin people who bought from Portuguese.

fratermathy:


Or is it less plausible than the fact that Igbo IMPORTED them from VENICE and EGYPT

melzabull:
I'm not one to get lost in the heat in the moment.

Making abusive statements like 'intelectually handicapped' isn't churlish? I guest its charitable then? Interesting!

tonychristopher:


Traded in what ..they were never known as traders ....nor sea fearers Benin never had an important merchant town akin to ancient Onitsha banks or Kano trans Sahara route

Name one edo merchant town ?

Ihuomadinihu:

Lmao! So because Fish is imported through Lagos seaport,the people in Abia shouldn't equally use the fish how the want it? Ignorance! It was imported and used by all sorts of people in Southern Nigeria.

Ihuomadinihu:

Lmao! So because Fish is imported through Lagos seaport,the people in Abia shouldn't equally use the fish how the want it? Ignorance! It was imported and used by all sorts of people in Southern Nigeria.

aim5:


Benins aren't riverine but they still managed to trade with the Portuguese. When they traded with Portuguese merchants, they would probably trade in one of those riverine areas in the Delta since Benin Kingdom was in control of Southern Nigeria. It's very reasonable to say that Edo isn't a littoral area since it's not near the coast, but to say that the Edo weren't traders is mind boggling. Considering the fact that they also played a role in the early development of Lagos (Eko) along with the Portuguese.

fratermathy:


Doesn't explain Venetian and Egyptian importation. If they could cast theirs, then why import?

In any case, the issue of beads have been settled. The beads worn by royalty are not the same worn by the common man. Where they come from makes the difference. It was fashionable to get Portugues beads then which were majorly sold by Benin people who bought from Portuguese.

tonychristopher:


My dear ...the bead must have had user manual


But benins were never traders nor sea fearers

ezeagu:


https://books.google.com/books?id=H26pO3vwmHoC&pg=PA10&dq=igbo+ukwu+egypt

fratermathy:


Edos bought them and had more use for them. Besides, do I need to spell it out for you that the Obas monopolised trade with the Portuguese?

fratermathy:


My intellectual training all through my undergraduate and postgraduate studies will not make me accept premises that are faulty just because of a sense of ethnic chivalry. I'll accept truth and clear facts. These guys have not done that, rather they have resorted to attacking my words instead of countering them with hard facts.

Is it possible for two people to stay together in a room and not be alike?

Ihuomadinihu:

A big merchant first came to my village and sold butter to me ,i used mine to eat bread while you used yours to fry food. Does it give me the monopoly to those beads? We are talking about trade here o!

fratermathy:


Monopoly of trade doesn't mean other tribes couldn't get it. They could.. just not directly from the Portuguese. Or do I still need to spell that ?