fratermathy:


Monopoly of trade doesn't mean other tribes couldn't get it. They could.. just not directly from the Portuguese. Or do I still need to spell that ?

Lmao! Nobody owns any foreign coral beads! That is what we want you to understand. Igbo, Igala, efik, Edo etc traded with each other not borrowed beads.

fratermathy:


That is the point, I never insulted the Igbo nation. Saying that their dressing/traditional system were modelled after the Edo system does not relegate their culture. It is an academic fact that the Edo empire had overarching influence in the whole of Southern Nigeria.

And that your academic fact is a big aberration

Just like they told us mungo park discovered river Niger


But the people of Onitsha and asaba has been fishing and fetching water in the same river even before Mr. Park was born ..that to you is an academic fact


These are loopholes

melzabull:
Its good they attacked your words, at least no one attacked your person

They identified faults in your opening posts and duely pointed it out. The TRUTH is that Igbo women dont dress like edo women, rather what you could have said at most was that Igbo women had similar dress style to edo women. This was the origin of the argument isn't? I insist you should have simply acknowledged your error, modified accordingly, and moved on.

It was not an error. It was a misconception of intent and message easily corrected or ignored. Correction could have been done calmly like this:

"Op, Igbos dont dress like Edos. Please correct yourself. "

and not:
"this is trash, bunkum, rubbish, etc etc"

Ihuomadinihu:

Lmao! Nobody owns any foreign coral beads! That is what we want you to understand. Igbo, Igala, efik, Edo etc traded with each other not borrowed beads.

Just simple but he won't see it from that simplistic view

fratermathy:


This too doesnt explain what I wrote earlier. All you are doing is to prove that Igbos made their own beads. Okay. Did they also invent kingship?

Then you don't know what you're looking for because all the research points to the beads being manufactured in Egypt, unless you've produced your own research and tests on the Igbo Ukwu findings which I believe you've not. The question about kingship is not really relevant, because we already know there were Eze before Oba, even though they had different roles and responsibilities. What we've established is that Western Igbo and some other towns borrowed elements of Edo kingship and then in the 20th century other Igbo towns borrowed that.

fratermathy:


It was not an error. It was a misconception of intent and message easily corrected or ignored. Correction could have been done calmly like this:

"Op, Igbos dont dress like Edos. Please correct yourself. "

and not:
"this is trash, bunkum, rubbish, etc etc"

You made so many mistakes and these loopholes was pointed out but you remained incorrigible

tonychristopher:


And that your academic fact is a big aberration

Just like they told us mungo park discovered river Niger


But the people of Onitsha and asaba has been fishing and fetching water in the same river even before Mr. Park was born ..that to you is an academic fact


These are loopholes

This is the root of our argument. It is no aberration that Edo kingdom has overarching influence in Southern Nigeria as much as Nigeria has overarching influence in West Africa. It is a law of politics and sociology. Even in small Warri there, there is a struggle of overarching influence by the Ijaws, Urhobos and Itsekiris of which the Itsekiris seem to have it for now. Urhobos have been influenced greatly by Edo nation so also with Ijaw, Itsekiri and IGBO!!! Accept it or not; it is a fact.

fratermathy:


This too doesnt explain what I wrote earlier. All you are doing is to prove that Igbos made their own beads. Okay. Did they also invent kingship?

No you invented kingship ....

Even animals like chimps and ants have leaders

fratermathy:


Abusive statements were not started by me. . I give back only what I am given. Nemo Dat Quod Non Habeat

I didnt abuse you did I? you called me tribalist, adamantly intrusive, intellectually bla....bla...but I kept my cool. and I didn't see anyone insult you either.

Anyway, hope you make your research less inciting next time and be willing to listen to critics rather than be unnecessarily on the defensive?

tonychristopher:


You made so many mistakes and these loopholes was pointed out but you remained incorrigible

There were no mistakes. There were only ethnically proud people who would rather engage in a verbal tournament than overlook simple things or at best, correct them in as academic a way as possible.

fratermathy:


Exactly! How it is used is your own matter. But what else could beads be used for except fashion? was it a spice used to eat Bitter Leaf Soup?

Lmao! Beads could be used for a lot of things which is not tied down to royalty. So get that off your mind!

fratermathy:


This is the root of our argument. It is no aberration that Edo kingdom has overarching influence in Southern Nigeria as much as Nigeria has overarching influence in West Africa. It is a law of politics and sociology. Even in small Warri there, there is a struggle of overarching influence by the Ijaws, Urhobos and Itsekiris of which the Itsekiris seem to have it for now. Urhobos have been influenced greatly by Edo nation so also with Ijaw, Itsekiri and IGBO!!! Accept it or not; it is a fact.

Oga stop detailing your thread and this argument

I am telling you loopholes in your submission

I am not an authority in ijaw matter
Just accept that you goofed in this Igbo report

tonychristopher:


Give me one Benin marchant town naaa...your just rigmarrolling oga

Gele Gele is linked to the Bight of Benin. Gele Gele was how Portuguese and Benin did trade... Also Agenebode has a little port too. Benin wasn't/isn't a seaport in the classical sense, but Gele Gele was an entry way for trade between Portuguese and Edos.

Ika are not Igbo. Igbo are found of copying others. This an Agbor Ika man.

melzabull:
I didnt abuse you did I? you called me tribalist, adamantly intrusive, intellectually bla....bla...but I kept my cool. and I didn't see anyone insult you either.

Anyway, hope you make your research less inciting next time and be willing to listen to critics rather than be unnecessarily on the defensive?

Please reread your comments from the start and see who started verbal vituperations. I do not have an aversion to insults. In fact, I dont believe I have even used any of my vocabulary terms that I consider as insultive. I listened to earlier critics. Has it not bothered you why I didnt listen to this particular set? It is not without purpose. I dont like chaos. I love order and directness of approach. Everyone is not the same but we have to be careful with how we tackle issues.

fratermathy:



There were no mistakes. There were only ethnically proud people who would rather engage in a verbal tournament than overlook simple things or at best, correct them in as academic a way as possible.

Why should that be overlooked.. Dont you have eyes for details ?

fratermathy:


This is the root of our argument. It is no aberration that Edo kingdom has overarching influence in Southern Nigeria as much as Nigeria has overarching influence in West Africa. It is a law of politics and sociology. Even in small Warri there, there is a struggle of overarching influence by the Ijaws, Urhobos and Itsekiris of which the Itsekiris seem to have it for now. Urhobos have been influenced greatly by Edo nation so also with Ijaw, Itsekiri and IGBO!!! Accept it or not; it is a fact.

Foreign bead is out of it. Igbos already had beads. Wrapper or whatever is out of it. What next? Nsala soup?

Ihuomadinihu:

Lmao! Beads could be used for a lot of things which is not tied down to royalty. So get that off your mind!

Oh Yes, the next time I buy a bead, I'd use it to barb my hair.

boskolin:
Ika are not Igbo. Igbo are found of copying others.

Onye kwa bu nka?

fratermathy:


It was not an error. It was a misconception of intent and message easily corrected or ignored. Correction could have been done calmly like this:

"Op, Igbos dont dress like Edos. Please correct yourself. "

and not:
"this is trash, bunkum, rubbish, etc etc"

In any case like I said moments ago, next time present your message and intent in a way that will elicit little or no misconception

Ihuomadinihu:

Foreign bead is out of it. Igbos already had beads. Wrapper or whatever is out of it. What next? Nsala soup?

Maybe the language itself. That will better engage you. in'nit?

Ihuomadinihu:

Foreign bead is out of it. Igbos already had beads. Wrapper or whatever is out of it. What next? Nsala soup?

Lol...he coukdbt Sven fathom the courage to say his tribe but prefer the cloak of delta

Lol

tonychristopher:



Why should that be overlooked.. Dont you have eyes for details ?

Oh Yes! I only speak when I am sure my perception does not affect facts and reality. A rat can be seen by another person, under proper conditions, as a rabbit.

tonychristopher:


Lol...he coukdbt Sven fathom the courage to say his tribe but prefer the cloak of delta

Lol

I said my tribe but you were to blind to see it. That is your problem. You see only what you want to see. Ask her and she'll tell you my tribe

aim5:


Gele Gele is linked to the Bight of Benin. Gele Gele was how Portuguese and Benin did trade... Also Agenebode has a little port too. Benin wasn't/isn't a seaport in the classical sense, but Gele Gele was an entry way for trade between Portuguese and Edos.

I lived in edo.. Which agenobode? Pls tell us

fratermathy:



Please reread your comments from the start and see who started verbal vituperations. I do not have an aversion to insults. In fact, I dont believe I have even used any of my vocabulary terms that I consider as insultive. I listened to earlier critics. Has it not bothered you why I didnt listen to this particular set? It is not without purpose. I dont like chaos. I love order and directness of approach. Everyone is not the same but we have to be careful with how we tackle issues.

you said I was being tribalistic, and I said you were being paranoid.

Who started the disparaging remark? you be the judge.

To start with, I wasn't guilty of what you accused me of or was I?

tonychristopher:


Oga stop detailing your thread and this argument

I am telling you loopholes in your submission

I am not an authority in ijaw matter
Just accept that you goofed in this Igbo report

Goofed concerning cultural hegemony. Oh Please! Get yourself a dog to goof with all day.

fratermathy:

Oh Yes, the next time I buy a bead, I'd use it to barb my hair.

Sure!

fratermathy:


I said my tribe but you were to blind to see it. That is your problem. You see only what you want to see. Ask her and she'll tell you my tribe

One thing is that I like your dexterity and intellect but you have to accept corrections that is the best way to learn


Now go back and make amendment to that submission of yours

melzabull:
you said I was being tribalistic, and I said you were being paranoid.

Who started the disparaging remark? you be the judge.

To start with, I wasn't guilty of what you accused me of or was I?

I assumed you were because you struck down my comments and entered "in media res" from a sided perspective. You were not in the center. You were opinionated. Striking out my comment amounted to the fact that I wrote rubbish.

tonychristopher:


One thing is that I like your dexterity and intellect but you have to accept corrections that is the best way to learn


Now go back and make amendment to that submission of yours

I admire your perseverance. I still stand my ground. Although, I'll acknowledge at this point that my earlier statement that Igbo system of leadership and dressing draws from Edo system maybe hyperbolic. Nonetheless, minute traces are there!

fratermathy:


I assumed you were because you struck down my comments and entered "in media res" from a sided perspective. You were not in the center. You were opinionated. Striking out my comment amounted to the fact that I wrote rubbish.

It was a sign of discontent rather.

Reason? you put word in her mouth. That is a legal cum moral offence