afrodoc2:


You totally misunderstood my point. I am not Nihilist, i was in support of Coogar in terms of Scholes vs Lampard. Where i have always disagreed with Coogar is using stats as the sole arbiter.....i prefer to use the simple eye test first, then use stats if things remain close.

Leyqute:


Okay, well.

However eye sample or stats cannot totally guarantee if a new player will perform well or not. Apart from new signings, a good coach should rely on the academy to spurn out new talents who'll take over from the old legs. This process is getting extinct in the EPL and is the main reason why English players aren't as good as their European counterparts in recent time.

Nihilist:


That's not true. Lets look at the Champions of the main leagues last season.

How many Academy players start regularly for
1: Juve
2: PSG
3: Bayern
4: Barca

I'll hazard a guess you can't mention 5 for each club

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raumdeuter:


Bayern - Muller, lahm, Schweinsteiger(last season), Alaba. 4/11
Barca - Messi, Pique, Busquets, Iniesta 4/11
Dont know about Juve and PSG

But for Chelsea how many can we point to? or Man City that was second

If we go further and look atthe England team that played Lithuania yesterday, more than half of the 20 man squad have never played a CL game I am sure you cant find as many with France, germany, Spain or even Italy

BossKratos:


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raumdeuter:


Barca - Messi, Pique, Busquets, Iniesta 4/11

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raumdeuter:


Bayern - Muller, lahm, Schweinsteiger(last season), Alaba. 4/11
Barca - Messi, Pique, Busquets, Iniesta 4/11
Dont know about Juve and PSG

But for Chelsea how many can we point to? or Man City that was second

If we go further and look atthe England team that played Lithuania yesterday, more than half of the 20 man squad have never played a CL game I am sure you cant find as many with France, germany, Spain or even Italy

dopeJemi:


Those are Jada fire's boobs or maseratti's boobs

Mourinholic:

Where you born just to show me what extreme foolishness is??
Is Bastian marketable? 'Bastian is the captain of the world champions'

Has any world champ captain not playing for either RM,Barca,Bayern or United made top 5?
So Bastian jersey's get sold because he is the German captain? Are you using your head? The same Bastian that has never made top 20 is suddenly top 5 because he is the captain of the world champ....How many of these jerseys are for the National team?

How many did cannavaro sell in 2006 despite winning the balloon d'or + he was the captain... at least by your logic he should made top 15....

By this same Baba suwe logic, The captain of the UCL champ should make at least top 15....Keep digging for Iniesta's position....
Or lahm in 2013

Is Depay more marketable than Neymar??
'Depay satisfies all requirements'
When I told you that Messi and Ronaldo are special cases, you were moaning.... So tell us ,is Messi 11 or 12 years old? Or how does resale value aid jersey sales

Depay is 21 and 'highly skillful' and that why he is top 5......But Neymar is 66 and can hardly control a ball........

Did Depay ever dreamed of top 100 jersey sales before joining United? Maybe he was 50 years old at PSV and he is soo special that his age is reducing

He was young and skillfull at PSV,why didn't he make top 100? You said Bastian is top 5 by the virtue of his position in the NT,but Depay whose INT goals isn't up to Bastian's app as Germany's captain is ahead of him...Sense?

Hazard at 21 was in lille,did he make top 5?
Even Ozil at 21,did he make it?
Gotze at 21? Stop this Sudoku analysis

pamcode:
most of those guys you mentioned above made their debut not less than 4-5 seasons ago.Currently the way football is evolving it would be a survival of the luckiest not of the best.Dev of youngsters would come to lie solely on clubs that arent in the first-tier of top leagues or clubs from weaker leagues.Academies would just be to select the lucky ones and try incoporate the ones that manageto fly all hurldes.

Nihilist:


Yeeeeeee!!!!!

This one for don memorize mojo soundtrack.

I'm sure that's jada fire's own sha. Na she get over-inflated bobby and wide areola. Maserati's areola no wide at all

Nihilist:


Yeeeeeee!!!!!

This one for don memorize mojo soundtrack.

I'm sure that's jada fire's own sha. Na she get over-inflated bobby and wide areola. Maserati's areola no wide at all

Leyqute:


Okay, well.

However eye sample or stats cannot totally guarantee if a new player will perform well or not. Apart from new signings, a good coach should rely on the academy to spurn out new talents who'll take over from the old legs. This process is getting extinct in the EPL and is the main reason why English players aren't as good as their European counterparts in recent time.

pamcode:
most of those guys you mentioned above made their debut not less than 4-5 seasons ago.Currently the way football is evolving it would be a survival of the luckiest not of the best.Dev of youngsters would come to lie solely on clubs that arent in the first-tier of top leagues or clubs from weaker leagues.Academies would just be to select the lucky ones and try incoporate the ones that manageto fly all hurldes.

coogar:


the laws in the premier league put paid to that idea. united cannot poach any youngster that lives 90 mins away from carrington even if he's messi+ronaldo+suarez. this is why there's no prestigious academy in england like you would find in barca, bayern, ajax, etc

only local boys in manchester like welbeck can get into our academy. the FA made that law to protect the smaller clubs and by the time majority of these players become 18 when they can be sold, they have already been mismanaged in their parent clubs....they woulda developed some bad habits due to poor coaching....moreover, by then they would become more expensive and sometimes unaffordable.

trust me, it's a clusterfück!

raumdeuter:

Some clubs like Southampton still manage to do a good job of breeding youngsters.

I think its the coaches that are too lazy to develop players

raumdeuter:


There are some things that need stats and some that do not. Its a simple trained eye test would know

There is something called experience in football based on watching for many years and having the eye for the game

E.g completed passes of Mikel and Cleverly that are done in safe areas of the field vs those for Iniesta and Fabregas done in risky areas of the field would be different and would have to be viewed in the context

A striker thats a poacher is different than one who is responsible for hold up play

dopeJemi:


Those are Jada fire's boobs or maseratti's boobs

coogar:
what have southampton won at the top level? the hunger for success will not let any top club stick religiously to youth policy in the EPL. wenger tried it and won nothing for 8 seasons back to back.

the coaches are not lazy - they must work to the instructions of the club chairmen. the primary target is to survive in the premier league. not too many teams would cope if they stick strictly to their academy graduates.

Chelseafan1:


Why don't u take this into account when arguing Hazard/Neymar/Muller when u know their roles are different.

raumdeuter:


Maybe you should say some coaches are lazy and cant develop anymore

Barcelona was already a top team before Busquets, Pedro and Pique broke into the team

Bayern got Alaba into the first team in 2010

Some coaches give youngsters chances while some dont. A LvG wont mind benching an established player and play a promising teenager while a Mourinho would rather buy Etoo Falcao or even a retired footballer than give a youngster opportunities

Despite man Utd having RvP, Rooney, Falcao last season, James Wilson still got 17 caps. If he had delivered in those games, he might be the starter for Man utd right now, while some coach no even wan see you at all even if you can shoot like thinder Balogun

Nihilist:


Pique, Fabregas, and Jordi Alba actually had to leave Barca because there was no road to the first team from academy. They had to go and find their way first before being brought back.

None of the top clubs today really has the time time for bringing up youngsters anymore.

pamcode:
exactly my point.
And pls who knows what has become of Kramaric or kramer.
The guy who rejected chelsea for leicester or so,his father claimed chelsea would damage his son's career if he moved there.
I hope he is moving weights there sha, that saga annoyed me to be sincere the man made chelsea look like withces that eat young children and suck their blood.Mtchew.

dopeJemi:


Yes na, are you guys not career killers?

pamcode:
exactly my point.
And pls who knows what has become of Kramaric or kramer.
The guy who rejected chelsea for leicester or so,his father claimed chelsea would damage his son's career if he moved there.
I hope he is moving weights there sha, that saga annoyed me to be sincere the man made chelsea look like withces that eat young children and suck their blood.Mtchew.

pamcode:
exactly my point.
And pls who knows what has become of Kramaric or kramer.
The guy who rejected chelsea for leicester or so,his father claimed chelsea would damage his son's career if he moved there.
I hope he is moving weights there sha, that saga annoyed me to be sincere the man made chelsea look like withces that eat young children and suck their blood.Mtchew.

pamcode:
career killer i dont understand you.If we are to go deep down no club is inncoent of 'career killing'