jaycee687:
I just can't work in Nigeria as a doctor.

Go to ghana and work.

Damayor12:
Thank God this made front page, you see a federal hospital take just 3-5 interns in some departments, when at least 50something pple are applying for this position.

We thank God things changed a bit this year probably because of Buhari, Luth took over 15-20 physiotherapist interns.. ..

So why the leap this year? You know how much salaries have been pocketed those times they admitted 3people?!

Federal and state hospitals have to increase the numbers of interns/house officers they admit, and let the process be transparent to some extent so medical graduates do not have to spend 1 or 2 years hunting for internships, wasting their lives away

Who cares.

The federal govt. needs to declear a state of emergency in the health sector.The heads of various health institutions need to be probed by anti-graft agencies for vario us malpractices and shady deals done over the years.....

jaycee687:
Yes,I did

Who cares

trigar12:
I finished ND last year and the last 9 months has been like a punishment to me. Internship placement is so hard to get. I personally feel I ve wasted a year. It's just a way to start learning a trade or so cos 95% of students on IT stay at home doing nothing. It the schools can not post us to companies den I think diz shit should be stopped. At the end of the day when u start looking for job, d companies will start discriminating poly graduates, its shit!!!!!!!

Dats exactly d same situation m in now,finished ND last year too,doing IT at home,its really annonying

eleojo23:


Internship program is not supposed to be a job search. It is part of the medical graduates program necessary for full licence to practice and that is why there are specified approved centres/institutions.
Internship placement should not be something they should struggle to get.
As for the job search, many of them still enter the labour market in search of jobs like other graduates after internship and NYSC so you don't need to worry about them being spoon-fed.
There are currently many medical professionals looking for jobs.

Gbam. In organised places, most post-grad compulsory training are structured. They are just part of training leading to full-registration with the relevant regulatory bodies.

It is in public interest that young professionals get this early training and supervision. It plays a very great part in their professional development. Before they are unleashed on the public. Any serious frustration getting this training can spill over to poor commitment/ethusiam in some people. Even ditching these critical professions for banking & oil/gas jobs.

Understandably, it's difficult in Nigeria because we have no free healthcare system.

A free healthcare system would expand the sector to accommodate thousands more graduate trainees.

This is an area the government should look at seriously.

The never ending acrimonious war between doctors and the paramedics in govt hospitals have many unintended consequences and this is one of them.

Strikes and counter strikes have resulted in a situation where these health personnel through their leverage on govt rather than market forces determine their take home. House officers being doctors even though in training have to be appropriately remunerated. So, you find a hospital that can conveniently take 120 interns accepting no more than 30 for example bc they cannot afford to pay more.

So next time doctors go on strike and house officers are co-opted even though they might get that pay rise, they have made things significantly worse for those coming in.

I feel disappointed that when doctors make a case for a pay rise they compare their salaries with those in England and the US. Exactly on what basis might I ask? Why don't they compare take homes with other third world countries like Pakistan, India, Philippines or Ghana that they earn more than.

No one in Govt is interested in asking these questions bc they want an illusion of peace and stability so they can loot for themselves and disappear when it's time leaving behind even entrenching old problems

House officers occupy a key position in these endless politics of strike and counter strike. Like consultants govt should make their strike illegal forth with and let's see how effective the next call for strike will be.

Also govt should take steps to address the absurdity of consultant matron, consultant pharmacists consultant optometrists etc. When u choose to adopt structures from other countries u don't pick and chose what suits you but what is practicable, justifiable and relevant.

Pwettyella:

Dats exactly d same situation m in now,finished ND last year too,doing IT at home,its really annonying

Exactly, polytechnic life is too stressful. To me I just wasted one year of academic life mehn.it is well

vivalavida:
well said. my kid bro will soon start looking for an internship place. hope this mess is sorted out before then. nice recommendations

Your 'KID BRO'.... U cld have just said your 'bro'.

Kcinho:

Of course the hospital has some slots available( about 12, which made the hospital call for interview. Maybe they were disappointed cos of the 6 people present for the interview only 1 was from the north, others were Igbo. So only the northern guy got the job.
There are spaces in the northeast but they rather remain short of staff than give "nyamiri".
A lot of tribalism, nepotism and fraud going on in this internship stuff.

You don't know for a fact that they were not engaged because they were not from there. Even if they see it that way, it doesn't make it true. Maybe the one from there played his politics right and got it despite the hospital not wanting to give any of them. Please we don't need this right now.
They may have also considered the language as many of the patients may not be able to speak English.

GreenWhiteGreen:
None of my biz but will comment after watching this movie.

Me too

chyka33:
The federal govt. needs to declear a state
of emergency in the health sector.The
heads of various health institutions need to
be probed by anti-graft agencies for vario
us malpractices and shady deals done over
the years.....

Keep quiet jor

State of emergency kor, state of pandemonium ni


What change have we seen from the ones they've been declaring since 1960

Biosahal:

Go back to school.

I don't understand your quotes but I hope you are not an educated illiterate. None of your comments made any sense.

Kcinho:

Bros chill cos it's obvious you know nothing about medical internship/housemanship.
It is compulsory just like law school before you go for your NYSC. And there are designated hospitals licensed for the internship.
For doctors, if you don't get a place within a stipulated time your license expires and you pay for another license before you can start hunting again. So it's not same with normal hustle for job which every doctor will still do after NYSC.
No housemanship, no NYSC.

I also searched for Internship placements during my time. I applied at National Orthopaedic Hospital, Enugu; NAFDAC, Lagos; Nnamdi Azikiwe Teaching Hospital, Nnewi; and even the National Orthopaedic Hospital at Igbobi. The search took me some months but I eventually got that of Nnewi. So I guess I should know something about internship

The real reason why medical graduates waste time before getting an internship placement is because he or she prefers to do his or her internship in a preferred location (maybe for proximity or security reasons) and with a preferred institution (maybe for pecuniary or familiarity reasons).

And there's nothing wrong with that. However something has to give. If you want a perfect place, then time has to give. But if you want a perfect time, then place had to give.......that's just the heisenberg principle of life.

bulldoza:

Keep quiet jor

State of emergency kor, state of pandemonium ni


What change have we seen from the ones they've been declaring since 1960

did he say anything wrong? why are you politicizing everything? pls grow up troll

justirich:

did he say anything wrong? why are you politicizing everything? pls grow up troll

Fùck off morôn

Biosahal:

Who cares.

I've being following your comments on this thread and wonder if you even read the posts. Obviously you need a mental evaluation or else your parents just wasted time and money on you.

justirich:

I don't understand your quotes but I hope you are not an educated illiterate. None of your comments made any sense.

Quote me anywhere. You will experience what other guys are experiencing. Mind you I had many contact with a lot of medical practitioners. Egocentric wailer.

Pennywise:
The never ending acrimonious war between doctors and the paramedics in govt hospitals have many unintended consequences and this is one of them.

Strikes and counter strikes have resulted in a situation where these health personnel through their leverage on govt rather than market forces determine their take home. House officers being doctors even though in training have to be appropriately remunerated. So, you find a hospital that can conveniently take 120 interns accepting no more than 30 for example bc they cannot afford to pay more.

So next time doctors go on strike and house officers are co-opted even though they might get that pay rise, they have made things significantly worse for those coming in.

I feel disappointed that when doctors make a case for a pay rise they compare their salaries with those in England and the US. Exactly on what basis might I ask? Why don't they compare take homes with other third world countries like Pakistan, India, Philippines or Ghana that they earn more than.

No one in Govt is interested in asking these questions bc they want an illusion of peace and stability so they can loot for themselves and disappear when it's time leaving behind even entrenching old problems

House officers occupy a key position in these endless politics of strike and counter strike. Like consultants govt should make their strike illegal forth with and let's see how effective the next call for strike will be.

Also govt should take steps to address the absurdity of consultant matron, consultant pharmacists consultant optometrists etc. When u choose to adopt structures from other countries u don't pick and chose what suits you but what is practicable, justifiable and relevant.

don't derail this thread. open another one for your ideas

Chartey:


Haba Obinoscopy! If house job is like admission then why is the license after graduation temporary with a time frame attached in which one must complete house job? Spots for internship were never meant to be contested.

UTME and Post-UTME results also have a time frame........one year.

If jambites who are still down the academic ladder contests for admission into the university, why shouldn't the doctors contest? I will never be in support of pampering medical students. The system has even tried by providing many spots for internship placement (both private and public) thus it's left for the medical graduates to fight for those spots.

eleojo23:


You shouln't place getting admission and internship on the same level. There are two different things.

Internship is an extension of the medical program.
There are already approved centres with enough slots to go round but corruption and a lot of irregularities has made it difficult for these graduates to get these slots.

Look at the NYSC program for instance. It is almost mandatory for every graduate to serve before seeking employment. Does anyone struggle to get NYSC posting?

So, in the same way, we are saying that the regulatory bodies of these medical professions should adopt the practice of posting graduates to these approved centres. That way, it will be mandatory for these centres to take in the graduates.

I have one very simple question for you. If you were "posted" to University of Maiduguri Teaching Hospital would you honour it?

Obinoscopy:
I also searched for Internship placements during my time. I applied at National Orthopaedic Hospital, Enugu; NAFDAC, Lagos; Nnamdi Azikiwe Teaching Hospital, Nnewi; and even the National Orthopaedic Hospital at Igbobi. The search took me some months but I eventually got that of Nnewi. So I guess I should know something about internship

The real reason why medical graduates waste time before getting an internship placement is because he or she prefers to do his or her internship in a preferred location (maybe for proximity or security reasons) and with a preferred institution (maybe for pecuniary or familiarity reasons).

And there's nothing wrong with that. However something has to give. If you want a perfect place, then time has to give. But if you want a perfect time, then place had to give.......that's just the heisenberg principle of life.

it depends on your time period for you. nowadays you have over 600-700 attending interview in Nauth and Unth each during their last interviews. for just less than or a little above 100slots. then just this week, fmc umuahia had over 500 candidates for interview for slots under 50. ask your junior colleagues. Besides internship as your earlier comments suggested is not a labour market. there is a clear difference. just like comparing law school to job search. Infact both are same, law school for lawyers and internship for medical professionals.

bulldoza:

Fùck off morôn

we have your cases in our institutions. pitiful because you are the one taking drugs. I pray you don't become a lamar odom. smh

Biosahal:

Quote me anywhere. You will experience what other guys are experiencing. Mind you I had many contact with a lot of medical practitioners. Egocentric wailer.

your replies are quite eccentric. I wonder if you read the topic. did you even comprehend the post? cos if you did, then this scenario won't be playing out now.

Obinoscopy:
I also searched for Internship placements during my time. I applied at National Orthopaedic Hospital, Enugu; NAFDAC, Lagos; Nnamdi Azikiwe Teaching Hospital, Nnewi; and even the National Orthopaedic Hospital at Igbobi. The search took me some months but I eventually got that of Nnewi. So I guess I should know something about internship

The real reason why medical graduates waste time before getting an internship placement is because he or she prefers to do his or her internship in a preferred location (maybe for proximity or security reasons) and with a preferred institution (maybe for pecuniary or familiarity reasons).

And there's nothing wrong with that. However something has to give. If you want a perfectnnewi place, then time has to give. But if you want a perfect time, then place had to give.......that's just the heisenberg principle of life.

Same thing the older generation will tell you about how they didn't sweat to get one. Those that went to Maiduguri in search of a placement and came back disappointed after a month there plus the humanitarian services rendered were also considering proximity and security Abi. Things have changed. The same nnewi you did your internship is now a no go area if you don't have the connection or two hundred thousand or more especially for non-indigenes.
Ask your younger colleagues from 2013 till date.

Kcinho:

Same thing the older generation will tell you about how they didn't sweat to get one. Those that went to Maiduguri in search of a placement and came back disappointed after a month there plus the humanitarian services rendered were also considering proximity and security Abi. Things have changed. The same nnewi you did your internship is now a no go area if you don't have the connection or two hundred thousand or more especially for non-indigenes.
Ask your younger colleagues from 2013 till date.

thank you sir. well articulated

justirich:

it depends on your time period for you. nowadays you have over 600-700 attending interview in Nauth and Unth each during their last interviews. for just less than or a little above 100slots. then just this week, fmc umuahia had over 500 candidates for interview for slots under 50. ask your junior colleagues. Besides internship as your earlier comments suggested is not a labour market. there is a clear difference. just like comparing law school to job search. Infact both are same, law school for lawyers and internship for medical professionals.

Why must it be NAUTH or UNTH? Why not Federal Medical Centre, Kebbi or the one in Makurdi? Why not the Teaching Hospital in Ebonyi or the State Hospital at Parklane? If time is of essence why not spread your search?

In law school, the law graduates are not paid salary by the government thus they can afford to accept many of them. For medical students, they are paid (they even earn more than some full time staff of the institution) thus the slots would be smaller. You can't just compare the two in terms competitiveness.

Obinoscopy:
I have one very simple question for you. If you were "posted" to University of Maiduguri Teaching Hospital would you honour it?

I will reply you with a question followed by an answer.
Using NYSC as an example, what options are there for anyone posted to highly insecure states like Borno and Bauchi? The answer is, the person can decide to go there or apply for redeployment. Such options should also be available for internship if the practice of posting is adopted.

As for me, the later is what I would do.

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justirich:

we have your cases in our institutions. pitiful because you are the one taking drugs. I pray you don't become a lamar odom. smh

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Ode

Kcinho:

Same thing the older generation will tell you about how they didn't sweat to get one. Those that went to Maiduguri in search of a placement and came back disappointed after a month there plus the humanitarian services rendered were also considering proximity and security Abi. Things have changed. The same nnewi you did your internship is now a no go area if you don't have the connection or two hundred thousand or more especially for non-indigenes.
Ask your younger colleagues from 2013 till date.

It seems you didn't get me. Less than 20% of us who applied for NAUTH got it. In that of Orthopaedic Hospital, Enugu that I didn't get, only 5% of those who applied got it. That of FMC Owerri was worse (although I didn't go because I was oblivious of the interview but was told by my colleagues that went).

It took some of my colleagues over a year to get a placement. It took me close to 3 months or thereabout. So don't think that your generation is being maltreated. My sister is an intern at the moment so I'm in tune with you guys. You are not alone

I still maintain that something has to give. Place or Time. If Time is of priority to you, then spread your search to all the geopolitical zones within the country,

Obinoscopy:
Why must it be NAUTH or UNTH? Why not Federal Medical Centre, Kebbi or the one in Makurdi? Why not the Teaching Hospital in Ebonyi or the State Hospital at Parklane? If time is of essence why not spread your search?

In law school, the law graduates not paid salary by the government thus they can afford to accept many of them. For medical students, they are paid (they even earn more than some full time staff of the institution) thus the slots would be smaller. You can't just compare the two in terms competitiveness.

ok I get your point better now

bulldoza:
Ode

it's not too late for rehab