johnw74:


you are so confused, being a messenger doesn't necessarily make one an angel
and you don't believe the verses posted showing that Jesus Christ was not an angel
and you don't believe scriptures showing that Jesus Christ is God, but change those scriptures, at your-jw's grave peril



pharacee hypercrite

You dont discuss with witnesses, yet you reply there comments and follow their thread wherever it is found, even discussing with them. Even before I see a thread/comments by JW's here, you are already there commenting. That is pharisaic 'trupocrites', shey?

Just so that you can escape being proved wrong, when questioned, you divert to your default reply, 'i dont discuss with JW', you follow there thread, quote and comment on there comment etc. just a tartuffe.

johnw74:



from ridiculously ill ^^^



to demonically accusing vvv






showing the spirit that's in jw

Well, I did show to you your lies.
That it annoyed you is not my fault.

JMAN05:


You dont discuss with witnesses, yet you reply there comments and follow their thread wherever it is found, even discussing with them. Even before I see a thread/comments by JW's here, you are already there commenting. That is pharisaic 'trupocrites', shey?

Just so that you can escape being proved wrong, when questioned, you divert to your default reply, 'i dont discuss with JW', you follow there thread, quote and comment on there comment etc. just a tartuffe.

more typical jw confusion, which is to be expected from a sect that say's the Word Jesus Christ is an Angel
and who have been giving false prophecies of the Kingdom coming for decades
they believe everything watch tower tells them but don't believe the Bible
except their corrupted changed version.

Deu 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Those verses are more proof of their disbelief and being led by satan.

truthislight:


Well, I did show to you your lies.

That it annoyed you is not my fault.

when jw cannot understand he cries
lies lies lies lies lies

the satanic accusing spirit in you

truthislight:


Angel = Messenger, Messenger= Angel.

Someone insist still that a messenger is not an Angel

Hehehehe. lol.

I laugh in Chinese language.

Messenger is not An Angel.

truthislight:


This man you can lie o.

Lol. you can lie o.




Mr man, stop lying




you spew anything that enters your head

Please, stop lying.



Peace.

however I must say that lying comes naturally to jw

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

you make it very clear who is your father

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@johnw74

I could nt reply you within the week, but was only able to respond to Muttleylaf, i read every post and was moved to reply thus;
1, That in our(myself and you john74) course of discussion on this thread, shall aknowledge and accord respect to our individual beliefs, particularly ...My fundamentals of Human right under the Nigerian constitution as a citizen of Nigeria which granted me ;the freedom of personal liberty expecially of in the area of 'choice' of what i chose to believe ...is my personal right and should be respected vis a vis. which hereinafter means that it will be wrong to force a concept on me outside my submissions or insinuate that i was forced to believe anything. so i want to state expressly in affirmation that; i chose to believe some bible concept based on strong proofs that appealed to me personally, and i am still open to new ideas and responsible for anything i believe.
And i will not force you to believe my concept as you dont need to agree with my personal assertions everybody to his her own opinion, but rather to prove your concepts or belief with strong evidences to compare and show the strongest of proofs in a particular topic of which i have the right to make a reply, but then you and i are free to held on to our different opinions without derailing the thread.

2, That the Topic the OP is all about is to prove where the bible/sacred scriptures DIRECTLY says that satan is an angel WITHOUT 'juxtaposing scriptural verses but rather a single verse that says that ''satan is/was an Angel

your reply Fail to address that; lets see the scriptures you quoted in your juxtapose,

a, Ezekiel 28:13, 15
b, Ezekiel 28:14
c, Ephesians 3:9
d, Psalms 99:1
e, Isaiah 14:13, 14.
f, John 8:44

g, Revelation 12:3,4
h Revelation 12:7-9

a-f .....did not mention that Lucifer was Satan while;
'g' and 'H' ...did not Mention lucifer at all among names that satan was called in 'h' neither was satan called an angel in the passage
so your proof lacks the substance that is.... to prove where the bible/sacred scriptures DIRECTLY says that satan is/was an angel

johnw74:

Where in the Bible does it say Satan was once a glorious angel in Heaven?

“Thou wast created.” Ezekiel 28:13, 15. “Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth.” Ezekiel 28:14. “Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty … every precious stone was thy covering … the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. … Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.” Ezekiel 28:12-15.

Lucifer was created by God, as were all the other angels (Ephesians 3:9). Lucifer was a “covering” cherub. There was one great angel that stands on the left side of God’s throne and another on the right (Psalms 99:1). Lucifer was one of those highly exalted angel leaders. His beauty was flawless and breathtaking. His wisdom was perfect. His brightness was awe-inspiring. Ezekiel 28:13 seems to indicate that his throat was specially prepared to make him an outstanding musician.

But pride, jealousy, discontent, and self-exaltation arose in his heart. And he decided to attempt to unseat God and then demand that all worship him.”Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness.” Ezekiel 28:17. “For thou hast said in thine heart, … I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: … I will be like the most High.” Isaiah 14:13, 14.

Then, “there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.” Revelation 12:7-9.

Lucifer won the support of one-third of the angels (Revelation 12:3, 4) and caused an insurrection in heaven. God had no choice but to oust Lucifer and his followers. This was the greatest battle, by far, ever fought. Lucifer’s aim was to usurp God’s throne, even if it might eventually lead to murder (John 8:44). After his expulsion from heaven, Lucifer was called Satan (adversary) and devil (slanderer), and his angels were called demons.

http://proof.directory/where-in-the-bible-does-it-say-satan-was-once-a-glorious-angel-in-heaven/

below are all the contents of bible verses that you quoted which all failed to call satan an angel!



Ezekiel 28:13,14 and 15

13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

Ephesians 3:9King James Version (KJV)

9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:


Psalm 99:1King James Version (KJV)

The Lord reigneth; let the people tremble: he sitteth between the cherubims; let the earth be moved.

Isaiah 14:13King James Version (KJV)

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north

Revelation 12:3,4,7-9
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

BERNIMOORE:

accord respect to our individual beliefs

That leave me out, I will never respect jw satanic, sectarian beliefs.

BERNIMOORE:

2, That the Topic the OP is all about is to prove where the bible/sacred scriptures DIRECTLY says that satan is an angel WITHOUT 'juxtaposing scriptural verses but rather a single verse that says that ''satan is/was an Angel

your reply Fail to address that;

I don't agree with you, and I'm not really too interisted in whether satan was an angel or not,
I know that he was.
but I do conceed that you know satan better than I.

jw doesn't believe the Bible where it shows that Jesus Christ was not an angel.

jw, don't believe the Bible that say's:
Father God has never called an Angel "His Son".

jw, don't believe the Bible that say's:
Father God has never said to an Angel "sit at my right hand"

Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Heb 1:13 But to which of the Angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?


By the way the original Greek for Hebrews 1:8 is properly translated "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever"
Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

The corrupted watchtower jw bible changes it too:
"God is your throne forever and ever"

Talk about satanic verses.

johnw74:


when jw cannot understand he cries
lies lies lies lies lies

the satanic accusing spirit in you








however I must say that lying comes naturally to jw

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

you make it very clear who is your father

Guy, go see a doctor, you need one.

Peace.

truthislight:


Guy, go see a doctor, you need one.

Peace.

What else can you say

you know you had no understanding of what I said, and so called lies lies lies lies lies, instead of inquiring

johnw74:


when jw cannot understand he cries
lies lies lies lies lies

the satanic accusing spirit in you








however I must say that lying comes naturally to jw

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

you make it very clear who is your father

another might have replied "I don't understand"
but it's much nicer for a jw wrong spirit to cry lies lies lies lies lies,
isn't it

The spirit in truthislight,
all his comments are adressing truthful matters

truthislight:

you can run along now

Keep deceiving your self

you cajole and compel people to belief a lie

You really need to free yourself

in your confused state

you really need to cool down

you don't learn very fast

your not learning easily

relaxed, chill

Your lack of proper comprehension

I laugh in Chinese language

This man you can lie o

Lol. you can lie o.

Mr man, stop lying

Please, stop lying

Continue in your ignorance, it is bliss

lawless person that you are

I don't wish to join you in your lawlessness

you failed on that

your frustration is understandable

Keep believing that the undeserved kindness/grace of God is an excuse for loose conduct.

Guy, go see a doctor, you need one

johnw74:

being a messenger doesn't necessarily make one an angel

truthislight reply:

truthislight:

SMH. you really need to cool down

and then later:

truthislight:


This man you can lie o.

Lol. you can lie o.






Mr man, stop lying,


Lol
you spew anything that enters your head

Please, stop lying.

SMH.

Peace.

truthislight says "you really need to calm down", "relex, chill", when it's him that is irritated, nervous, and hot under the collar
In other words lying and accusing is natural for jw

I have said some things to til also, the difference is, I no longer lie.

Thread Title:

Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? [size=14pt]Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel[/size]




Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Heb 1:13 But to which of the Angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?



Father God has never called an Angel "His Son".


Father God has never said to an Angel "sit at my right hand"

BERNIMOORE:

2, That the Topic the OP is all about is to prove where the bible/sacred scriptures DIRECTLY says that satan is an angel WITHOUT 'juxtaposing scriptural verses but rather a single verse that says that ''satan is/was an Angel

ha ha, that's not what the thread title says
now you want to be shown a verse that says exactly that satan is an angel

because verses posted showing that satan is an angel do not say exactly "SATAN IS AN Angel"
you don't want to be shown that satan is an angel at all, you don't want the truth

but another truth is that watchtower wrongly taught that God in the beginning created two Angels, Michael and lucifer, and Michael created all else
and now BERNIMOORE is arguing against watchtower in his quest for satan not being an angel.

jw is wrong and they change a wrong for another wrong
that's what the wrong spirit does to you

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

BERNIMOORE:
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^^^
more jw weirdo

By the way the original Greek for Hebrews 1:8 is properly translated "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever"
Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

The corrupted watchtower jw bible changes it too:
"God is your throne forever and ever"

Talk about satanic verses.

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johnw74:



That leave me out, I will never respect jw satanic, sectarian beliefs.

who told you that i am a jehovahs witness? if i may ask you, i dont go to any church i practice my faith alone. i am not one of jehovahs witness and i think that you should have ask me earlier. i know nothing about watchtower and so spare me that attack.

i am still in surprise that despite the fact that this i have not engaged you in any serious discussion you are directing wrong accusation on me without confirming who i am. i give you the benefit of doubt and expect your apology for your action anyway.

you even call me a devil when i have not even offended you i think you need to watch it,

but another truth is that watchtower wrongly taught that God in the beginning created two Angels, Michael and lucifer, and Michael created all else
and now BERNIMOORE is arguing against watchtower in his quest for satan not being an angel.


jw is wrong and they change a wrong for another wrong
that's what the wrong spirit does to you

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

friend, i think you have wronged me and its just very funny. Mutleylaff left this thread satisfied with my explanations, he was never a jw neither was i, but he believed that jesus was an arch angel who run errands for God. you dont need to agree with me or allign me with watchtower for God sake.
i repeat i am not a jw and if you continue your attack on my thread i will be out of here, and willbe back later.

TOPIC...Re: (A)Was Satan By Default An Angel? (B)Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel

your reply Fail to address (A)in the very Topic, that is; lets see the scriptures you quoted in your juxtapose,

a, Ezekiel 28:13, 15
b, Ezekiel 28:14
c, Ephesians 3:9
d, Psalms 99:1
e, Isaiah 14:13, 14.
f, John 8:44

g, Revelation 12:3,4
h Revelation 12:7-9

a-f .....did not mention that Lucifer was Satan while;
'g' and 'H' ...did not Mention lucifer at all among names that satan was called in 'h' neither was satan called an angel in the passage
so your proof lacks the substance that is.... to prove where the bible/sacred scriptures DIRECTLY says that satan is/was an angel

The funny aspect is that your knowledge of the Bible is highly limited, meanwhile, see the noise you are making.

At this rate of making spurious statements, you risk compromising your reputation.

Anyway, I had already told you what to do: see a doctor.

See you blundering out of ignorance below on red:

johnw74:
Thread Title:

Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? [size=14pt]Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel[/size]




Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Heb 1:13 But to which of the Angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?



Father God has never called an Angel "His Son".


Father God has never said to an Angel "sit at my right hand"

The above is a misrepresentation of Yahweh and a lie, it is also an error against the Bible.

Such shows why every Tom Dick and Harry should not open a church and teach people out of ignorance.

The Bible says that, if a blind man leads a blind man, that the two will fall into a pit.

See below and learn:

Job 38:4-7

Where were you when I founded the earth?
Tell me, if you think you understand.
 5 Who set its measurements, in case you know,
Or who stretched a measuring line across it?
 6 Into what were its pedestals sunk,
Or who laid its cornerstone,
 7 When the morning stars joyfully cried out together,
And all the sons of God began shouting in applause?
..................................................

^^

There you have it.

in the Bible, Angels are called morning stars, hence, the plural- Stars and plural- Sons of God.

They all "Cried out together".

And they all "shouted in applause ", after the creation of planet earth.
...................................................................


So, it is obvious that Yahweh calls Angels "SONS". Though you came here to lie against Yahweh.

you can also read Genesis 6:4:

The Nephʹi·lim were on the earth in those days and afterward. During that time the sons of the true God continued to have relations with the daughters of men, and these bore sons to them. They were the mighty ones of old times, the men of fame.
.........................................................

So, again I say, STOP LYING!

For the blind following a blind man, I say, SORRY!

People should go and study the Bible and stop following self appointed "men of God ".

If you have reservations on what I have posted up there^, ask questions, let the Bible clear all your doubts.

later, I will show you that Jesus is also one of the " Morning stars"

Peace.

BERNIMOORE:
TOPIC...Re: (A)Was Satan By Default An Angel? (B)Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel

your reply Fail to address (A)in the very Topic, that is; lets see the scriptures you quoted in your juxtapose,

a, Ezekiel 28:13, 15
b, Ezekiel 28:14
c, Ephesians 3:9
d, Psalms 99:1
e, Isaiah 14:13, 14.
f, John 8:44

g, Revelation 12:3,4
h Revelation 12:7-9

a-f .....did not mention that Lucifer was Satan while;
'g' and 'H' ...did not Mention lucifer at all among names that satan was called in 'h' neither was satan called an angel in the passage
so your proof lacks the substance that is.... to prove where the bible/sacred scriptures DIRECTLY says that satan is/was an angel

What are cherubs/seraphs, are they angels?

^^^^

The thread is demanding where a clear reference was made that Satan is an Angel and not based on deductions of facts and evidence.

The OP is not saying that he denies or does not know the evidences available showing that Satan was an Angel, but he is showing that there is no direct reference to Satan as such in the Bible, but rather, from deductions only, that conclusion can be drawn that Satan was an Angel.

Samething with Jesus being referred to as an Angel. No direct reference.

If it is wrong for such deductions to be made for Jesus, why is such deductions allowed for Satan ?? ?? ??.

BERNIMOORE:
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who told you that i am a jehovahs witness? if i may ask you, i dont go to any church i practice my faith alone. i am not one of jehovahs witness and i think that you should have ask me earlier. i know nothing about watchtower and so spare me that attack.

i am still in surprise that despite the fact that this i have not engaged you in any serious discussion you are directing wrong accusation on me without confirming who i am. i give you the benefit of doubt and expect your apology for your action anyway.

you even call me a devil when i have not even offended you i think you need to watch it,



friend, i think you have wronged me and its just very funny. Mutleylaff left this thread satisfied with my explanations, he was never a jw neither was i, but he believed that jesus was an arch angel who run errands for God. you dont need to agree with me or allign me with watchtower for God sake.
i repeat i am not a jw and if you continue your attack on my thread[b] i will be out of here, and willbe back later[/b].

like jw you deny God, saying He is an Angel(red)
your threats don't worry me(blue), you sound like a girlie
your talk is confused like jw(green)

Jesus Christ is not an Angel(red):

johnw74:
Thread Title:

Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? [size=14pt]Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel[/size]




Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Heb 1:13 But to which of the Angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?



Father God has never called an Angel "His Son".


Father God has never said to an Angel "sit at my right hand"

. . ^^^^^^^

This is a case. Lol. SMH. I no fit laugh. Does he really understood the Msg that @Bernimoore was passing? I doubt. SMH.

BERNIMOORE:
TOPIC...Re: (A)Was Satan By Default An Angel? (B)Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel

your reply Fail to address (A)in the very Topic, that is; lets see the scriptures you quoted in your juxtapose,

a, Ezekiel 28:13, 15
b, Ezekiel 28:14
c, Ephesians 3:9
d, Psalms 99:1
e, Isaiah 14:13, 14.
f, John 8:44

g, Revelation 12:3,4
h Revelation 12:7-9

a-f .....did not mention that Lucifer was Satan while;
'g' and 'H' ...did not Mention lucifer at all among names that satan was called in 'h' neither was satan called an angel in the passage
so your proof lacks the substance that is.... to prove where the bible/sacred scriptures DIRECTLY says that satan is/was an angel

I don't agree with you, and I'm not really too interisted in whether satan was an angel or not,
I know that he was.
but I do conceed that you know satan better than I.

For more on that look back at my posts.

BERNIMOORE:
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^^^
more weirdo

truthislight:
The funny aspect is that your knowledge of the Bible is highly limited, meanwhile, see the noise you are making.

At this rate of making spurious statements, you risk compromising your reputation.

Anyway, I had already told you what to do: see a doctor.

See you blundering out of ignorance below on red:



The above is a misrepresentation of Yahweh and a lie, it is also an error against the Bible.

Such shows why every Tom Dick and Harry should not open a church and teach people out of ignorance.

The Bible says that, if a blind man leads a blind man, that the two will fall into a pit.

See below and learn:

Job 38:4-7

Where were you when I founded the earth?
Tell me, if you think you understand.
 5 Who set its measurements, in case you know,
Or who stretched a measuring line across it?
 6 Into what were its pedestals sunk,
Or who laid its cornerstone,
 7 When the morning stars joyfully cried out together,
And all the sons of God began shouting in applause?
..................................................

^^

There you have it.

in the Bible, Angels are called morning stars, hence, the plural- Stars and plural- Sons of God.

They all "Cried out together".

And they all "shouted in applause ", after the creation of planet earth.
...................................................................


So, it is obvious that Yahweh calls Angels "SONS". [size=14pt]Though you came here to lie against Yahweh[/size].

you can also read Genesis 6:4:

The Nephʹi·lim were on the earth in those days and afterward. During that time the sons of the true God continued to have relations with the daughters of men, and these bore sons to them. They were the mighty ones of old times, the men of fame.
.........................................................

So, again I say, STOP LYING!

For the blind following a blind man, I say, SORRY!

People should go and study the Bible and stop following self appointed "men of God ".

If you have reservations on what I have posted up there^, ask questions, let the Bible clear all your doubts.

later, I will show you that Jesus is also one of the " Morning stars"

Peace.

I know you don't believe the bible and you keep showing that to be true over and over again


The sentence you went satanic over
vvv
Father God has never called an Angel "His Son".

Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

and again you don't believe that verse you don't believe the Bible

Angels are called sons of God because God the Word created the Angels
Father God has never called an angel "my Son" as the verse above which is true tells

other verses show also that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God,
father God calls Jesus "my Son" but never did to an Angel ,as the verse above shows, which you don't believe

[size=14pt]yours @red, the jw tongue is evil indeed.[/size]

truthislight:
^^^^

The thread is demanding where a clear reference was made that Satan is an Angel and not based on deductions of facts and evidence.

The OP is not saying that he denies or does not know the evidences available showing that Satan was an Angel, but he is showing that there is no direct reference to Satan as such in the Bible, but rather, from deductions only, that conclusion can be drawn that Satan was an Angel.

Samething with Jesus being referred to as an Angel. No direct reference.

If it is wrong for such deductions to be made for Jesus, why is such deductions allowed for Satan ?? ?? ??.

i think you should let please let me be responsible for my statement and if you can allow me to respond directly at john74 and stop insulting each other for now, i dont really have the time but will treat the issue well.

truthislight:
. . ^^^^^^^

This is a case. Lol. SMH. I no fit laugh. Does he really understood the Msg that @Bernimoore was passing? I doubt. SMH.

I doubt you understand anything

@blue, that's the first true thing I have seen you post.

johnw74:


I don't agree with you, and I'm not really too interisted in whether satan was an angel or not,
I know that he was.

Then you are on the wrong thread! you knew satan was an Angel but was too shy to prove it here so that others can gain, maybe you have just realised that your proof is very weak.

Again The TOPIC...Re: (A)Was Satan By Default An Angel? (B)Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel

your reply Fail to address (A)in the very Topic, because you have no proof at all yet you want me to swallow your juxtapose that does not mention lucifer as satan wholesale, can you see your mistake? and instead of you to adress that you are diverting insults meant for jw to the wrong person(myself) maybe to evade the answer that you can present

For more on that look back at my posts.

Again your post contain no mention of 1, lucifer as satan 2,or satan as angel and funny enough its not even your work, you copied and paste another person's defective work as mutleylaff exposed. you are yet to prove anything

i am still waiting for you to adress the (a) part of the topic.

Tjayjosh:

What are cherubs/seraphs, are they angels?

did the bible says that satan was a cherub? show me word for word
did the bible say that satan was an angel word for word show me.

BERNIMOORE:
i think you should let please let me be responsible for my statement and if you can allow me to respond directly at john74 and stop insulting each other for now, i dont really have the time but will treat the issue well.

If you are going to come back with a long study for me
don't waste your time, I won't read it

I know satan is an angle

I know Jesus Christ is not an Angel

I don't care what you think on it
or what jw pharacees think

JMAN05:


You dont discuss with witnesses, yet you reply there comments and follow their thread wherever it is found, even discussing with them. Even before I see a thread/comments by JW's here, you are already there commenting. That is pharisaic 'trupocrites', shey?

Just so that you can escape being proved wrong, when questioned, you divert to your default reply, 'i dont discuss with JW', you follow there thread, quote and comment on there comment etc. just a tartuffe.

Yet you came here to post to me
not I to you

pharacee hypercrite

johnw74:



I know you don't believe the bible and you keep showing that to be true over and over again


The sentence you went satanic over
vvv
Father God has never called an Angel "His Son".

Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

and again you don't believe that verse you don't believe the Bible

Angels are called sons of God because God the Word created the Angels
Father God has never called an angel "my Son" as the verse above which is true tells

other verses show also that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God,
father God calls Jesus "my Son" but never did to an Angel ,as the verse above shows, which you don't believe

[size=14pt]yours @red, the jw tongue is evil indeed.[/size]

Lol.

This teaching exercise is taking longer than I had imagined.

Next, I will show you that Jesus is also called "Morning star" Just like the other Angels.

Yes, that is what the Bible says, even though your belief will give you more heart ache, that is not my fault.

Your silly excusses above after lying against Yahweh is very very appalling, since I already know you are a good liar, I won't bother myself to complaining much, but rather, poor the truth on your head until.......... Yes, that is what that will be done.

Take note, Jesus is also a morning Star. all sons of Yahweh are called Morning stars.

They all go on errands for Yahweh, hence they are also called messengers = Angel. Yes, by default, all messengers are Angel, and are morning Stars.

Peace.

BERNIMOORE:

Then you are on the wrong thread! you knew satan was an Angel but was too shy to prove it here so that others can gain, maybe you have just realised that your proof is very weak.

I showed it, you can go look for it, then you changed your title saying you wanted an exact verse saying satan is an angel

you are just like jw, weak

Again The TOPIC...Re: (A)Was Satan By Default An Angel? (B)Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel

your reply Fail to address (A)in the very Topic, because you have no proof at all yet you want me to swallow your juxtapose that does not mention lucifer as satan wholesale, can you see your mistake? and instead of you to adress that you are diverting insults meant for jw to the wrong person(myself) maybe to evade the answer that you can present

it's easy to mistake you for jw, you just like him
I proved both, but you lie like jw
go back and look

Again your post contain no mention of 1, lucifer as satan 2,or satan as angel and funny enough its not even your work, you copied and paste another person's defective work as mutleylaff exposed. you are yet to prove anything

you keep saying the same lie over and over

i am still waiting for you to adress the (a) part of the topic.

stop lying like jw and go back and read my posts again

no wonder I thought you were jw
you are just like them
especially in the lie department.

truthislight:


Lol.

This teaching exercise is taking longer than I had imagined.

Next, I will show you that Jesus is also called "Morning star" Just like the other Angels.

Yes, that is what the Bible says, even though your belief will give you more heart ache, that is not my fault.

Your silly excusses above after lying against Yahweh is very very appalling, since I already know you are a good liar, I won't bother myself to complaining much, but rather, poor the truth on your head until.......... Yes, that is what that will be done.

Take note, Jesus is also a morning Star. all sons of Yahweh are called Morning stars.

They all go on errands for Yahweh, hence they are also called messengers = Angel. Yes, by default, all messengers are Angel, and are morning Stars.

Peace.

You were shown that Father God never called an angel "my Son'


you reject the scriptures
you stick with your lie
and you think God doesn't see

johnw74:



I know you don't believe the bible and you keep showing that to be true over and over again


The sentence you went satanic over
vvv
Father God has never called an Angel "His Son".

Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

and again you don't believe that verse you don't believe the Bible

Angels are called sons of God because God the Word created the Angels
Father God has never called an angel "my Son" as the verse above which is true tells

other verses show also that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God,
father God calls Jesus "my Son" but never did to an Angel ,as the verse above shows, which you don't believe

[size=14pt]yours @red, the jw tongue is evil indeed.[/size]

truthislight:




[size=14pt]Though you came here to lie against Yahweh.[/size]

satan does not have a conscience either
he accuses Christians of lying against God

Rev_12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.


you are just like him

johnw74:


You were shown that Father God never called an angel "my Son'


you reject the scriptures
you stick with your lie
and you think God doesn't see

Well, its like you agree that Jesus is also called morning Star like the other sons of God. Since you agree by your silence and silence is consent, I may not have to show it to you again unless otherwise stated.

Peace.