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Quran.. Verse Of The Sword... Most Notably Use By ISIS And Boko Haram Wrongly by madjnr: 12:17pm On Oct 18, 2015
When the Inviolable Months have passed
away, kill the polytheists wherever you
find them. Seize them, besiege them, and
wait for them at every place of
observation. If they repent, observe
prayer, and pay the obligatory alms then
let them go their way. Allah is forgiving,
merciful. (9.5)

The significance of these reports is the nature
of the alleged abrogated verses. The latter
include numerous verses that call on the
Muslims to be tolerant, forgiving, and patient,
and to display such positive attributes toward
non-Muslims that allowed Muslims to live
peacefully with various religious groups for
1,400 years. Although the alleged abrogating
function of verse 9.5 has been dismissed by
most scholars, it has become very popular
among Muslim terrorist groups and individuals
who use it to justify their atrocities.
There are a number of fundamental problems
with this abrogation claim, which I will
summarize here. For those who are interested
in a more detailed analysis of this issue with
references to primary sources and other
works, there is a dedicated chapter in my
book Abrogation in the Qur’an and Islamic
Law .

First, only by taking 9.5 completely out of
context it maybe be claimed that it has
abrogated verses that command the Muslims
to show tolerance to non-Muslims. To see
how blatant that distortion is, I have quoted
9.5 with the verses that surround it:

A proclamation from Allah and His
Messenger to people on the day of
Greater Pilgrimage that Allah is clear of
the polytheists, as is His Messenger. If
you repent that is better for you but if
you turn away then know that you are
not beyond the power of Allah. And give
[O Muhammad!] glad tidings of a painful
chastisement to the disbelievers. (9.3)
Except those of the polytheists with whom
you have a treaty and they did not
break its terms or aid someone against
you, so abide by their treaty until their
term. Allah loves the pious. (9.4) When
the Inviolable Months have passed away,
kill the polytheists wherever you find
them. Seize them, besiege them, and wait
for them at every place of observation.
If they repent, observe prayer, and pay
the obligatory alms then let them go their
way. Allah is forgiving, merciful. (9.5) If
anyone of the polytheists seeks your
protection [O Muhammad!], then protect
him so that he may hear the Word of
Allah, and escort him to his place of
safety. That is because they are a people
who do not know. (9.6) How can there
be a treaty with Allah and with His
Messenger for the polytheists, save those
with whom you [O you who believe!]
made a treaty at the Inviolable Mosque?
So long as they are true to you, be
true to them. Surely, Allah loves the
pious. (9.7) How [can there be any
treaty for the others] when if they
would get an advantage over you they
would not honor any relation or treaty
with you? They satisfy you with their
mouths while their hearts refuse. Most of
them are backsliders. (9.cool They have
purchased with the verses of Allah a little
gain, so they have turned away from His
way. Surely, evil is what they do. (9.9)
They do not honor any relation or treaty
with a believer; these are the
transgressors. (9.10) But if they repent,
observe prayer, and pay the obligatory
alms, then they are your brethren in
religion. We detail Our verses for the
people of knowledge. (9.11) If they break
their oaths after their treaty and assail
your religion, then fight the heads of
disbelief. Surely, they have no binding
oaths, so that they may desist. (9.12)
Will you not fight a people who broke
their oaths, set out to drive out the
Messenger, and attacked you first? Do
you fear them? Allah is more worthy of
your fear, if you are believers. (9.13)


I have analysed these verses in my book
Jihad in the Qur’an . The verse immediately
before 9.5 commands the Muslims to honor
any peace treaty they had with disbelievers.
Then verse 9.6 shows that Islam does not
consider a peaceful disbeliever an enemy. The
Qur’an even commanded the Prophet to give
protection to any polytheist who sought his
help.

Verse 9.7 commands the Muslims to honor
their treaty with the polytheists as long as
the latter honored it. God considers this to
be an act of piety: “Allah loves the pious .”
He reminds the Muslims in verses 9.8-10 that
the polytheists used to break their peace
treaties whenever they felt they had the
upper hand and that they showed a similar
disregard for their relations with the Muslims.

He explains that the polytheists made peace
with their mouths but did not embrace it with
their hearts.

Muslims were commanded to forgive the
polytheists, live with them in peace if the
latter honored peace, and forgive and
consider them brothers if they convert to
Islam (9.11). God then emphasizes that the
aim of fighting the heads of disbelief is to
make them desist and establish peace (9.12).
Finally, verse 9.13 urges the Muslims to fight
aggression, reminding them of the background
of the conflict with the disbelievers. First, it
was the polytheists who broke the treaty they
had with the Muslims. Second, like the
Meccans who forced the Prophet to immigrate
to Medina, the polytheists were trying to
expel him from Medina. Third , it was the
polytheists who attacked the Muslims first.
Second , there are verses in other places in
the Qur’an commanding the Muslims to
establish peace with any party that wants
peace (e.g. 4.90, 8.72). The Qur’an even
has clear references to the Prophet continuing
to make peace with people who repeatedly
violated their peace treaties with the Muslims:

Surely, the worst of beasts in Allah’s
sight are those who are ungrateful as
they would not believe. (8.55) Those with
whom you [O Muhammad!] have made a
covenant yet they break their covenant
every time and do not act piously.
(8.56) Therefore, should you get hold of
them in war, make of them an example
that would disperse [the gathering army
of] those who are behind them that they
may be mindful. (8.57) If you fear
treachery from a people, then throw back
to them [their treaty] on equal terms.
Surely, Allah does not love the
treacherous. (8.58) Let not those who
disbelieve think that they can outstrip
[Us]. Surely, they are not impregnable.
(8.59) Prepare [O you who believe!] for
them what you can of force and horses
tethered, to frighten thereby Allah’s and
your enemy and others besides them
whom you do not know but Allah knows.
Whatever you spend in the way of Allah
will be paid back to you in full and you
shall not be wronged. (8.60) If they
incline to peace then incline [O
Muhammad!] to it, and rely on Allah.
Surely, He is the Hearing, the Knowing.
(8.61) If they intend to deceive you,
then surely Allah is sufficient for you. It
is He who supported you with His help
and with the believers. (8.62)
Third , verse 9.5 is claimed to have abrogated
even verses commanding the Muslims to be
patient in general, not specifically when dealing
with the polytheists or their enemies! This
shows the false nature of the claims of
abrogation involving this verse in general.
Fourth , those who argue that 9.5 has the
power to override other verses ignore the
fact that this verse targeted certain groups
of polytheists, as they apply it to all
idolaters. They make an even bigger mistake
by claiming that it applies to all non-Muslims,
including even the Jews and Christians. Yet
the verse talks about the “ mushrikīn ,”
which is the term the Qur’an applies to the
polytheists of Arabia, whereas the Qur’an
calls the Jews and Christians “ Ahl al-Kitāb ”
or the “People of the Book .” Even when
referring to Jews and Christians behaving like
“mushrikīn ,” the Qur’an still calls them
“Ahl al-Kitāb ,” as in verse 29 from the
same chapter as the verse of the sword.
Fifth, in addition to the fact that scholars
have disagreed on how many verses are
supposed to have been abrogated by 9.5, the
number of claims of abrogation by 9.5 grew
over time. This clearly shows that the claims
were based on the opinions of certain later
scholars rather than sources that go back to
the Prophet or even his Companions or the
Successors.
Sixth , if 9.5 really abrogated tolerance and
forgiveness for the disbelievers, it would have
abrogated all of the many verses that
promote such concepts. Yet even when
considering all the verses that are claimed to
have been abrogated by 9.5, there are still
many other verses that command the Muslims
to live peacefully with the disbelievers left
uncovered by abrogation claims.
It should now be clear that the claim that
verse 9.5 has abrogated other verses, let
alone such a large number of them, is
absurd. Even the title “the verse of the
sword” is a late invention. While “the verse
of alms” has been given this name by
scholars because it talks about almsgiving
and other verses have been given names
after words that occur in them, the
expression “the verse of the sword” is very
much a misnomer because the term “sword”
is not found in the verse. Even more telling
is the fact that this word does not exist
anywhere in the Qur’an!
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Re: Quran.. Verse Of The Sword... Most Notably Use By ISIS And Boko Haram Wrongly by pet4ril(f): 12:25pm On Oct 18, 2015
Hmmmmm lipsrsealed am short of words for now
Re: Quran.. Verse Of The Sword... Most Notably Use By ISIS And Boko Haram Wrongly by madjnr: 12:29pm On Oct 18, 2015
Whenever critics bring verses of the Quran to demonstrate that Islam is violent, that it sanctions Muslims to kill non-Muslims (as assumed by them), they do a cut and paste of a verse and try hide context of the passage. They don’t show the previous and the verses after, what it actually says. Take for example this passage, “So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them , and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them.” – Quran 9:5
Re: Quran.. Verse Of The Sword... Most Notably Use By ISIS And Boko Haram Wrongly by madjnr: 12:32pm On Oct 18, 2015
According to critics (especially hate-mongering Christian missionaries), they say, ‘this verse approves the killing of non-Muslims anywhere at any-time.’ We know this is a lie spread by Islamophobes in order to frighten people about Islam. This passage has always been quoted out of context, they never post other verses 9:1-14, for if they did, people would find out that it says opposite of what they have stated. Let’s read from 9:1 – 9:14, 9:1 [This is a declaration of] disassociation, from Allah and His Messenger, to those with whom you had made a treaty among the polytheists. 9:2 So travel freely, [O disbelievers], throughout the land [during] four months but know that you cannot cause failure to Allah and that Allah will disgrace the disbelievers. 9:3 And [it is] an announcement from Allah and His Messenger to the people on the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah is disassociated from the disbelievers, and [so is] His Messenger. So if you repent, that is best for you; but if you turn away – then know that you will not cause failure to Allah . And give tidings to those who disbelieve of a painful punishment. 9:4 Excepted are those with whom you made a treaty among the polytheists and then they have not been deficient toward you in anything or supported anyone against you; so complete for them their treaty until their term [has ended]. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him]. 9:5 And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful . 9:6 And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection , then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah. Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know. 9:7 How can there be for the polytheists a treaty in the sight of Allah and with His Messenger, except for those with whom you made a treaty at al-Masjid al- Haram? So as long as they are upright toward you, be upright toward them. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him]. 9:8 How [can there be a treaty] while, if they gain dominance over you, they do not observe concerning you any pact of kinship or covenant of protection? They satisfy you with their mouths, but their hearts refuse [compliance], and most of them are defiantly disobedient. 9:9 They have exchanged the signs of Allah for a small price and averted [people] from His way. Indeed, it was evil that they were doing. 9:10 They do not observe toward a believer any pact of kinship or covenant of protection. And it is they who are the transgressors. 9:11 But if they repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, then they are your brothers in religion; and We detail the verses for a people who know. 9:12 And if they break their oaths after their treaty and defame your religion, then fight the leaders of disbelief, for indeed, there are no oaths [sacred] to them; [fight them that] they might cease. 9:13 Would you not fight a people who broke their oaths and determined to expel the Messenger , and they had begun the attack upon you the first time? Do you fear them? But Allah has more right that you should fear Him, if you are [truly] believers. 9:14 Fight them; Allah will punish them by your hands and will disgrace them and give you victory over them and satisfy the breasts of a believing people. When we read from verse 1, it states that there was a treaty which the Pagan Arabs broke. Thus, Allah in the Quran says, that he gave them four months. Verse 9:4 states that Allah will punish those who broke the treaty, this verse is only aimed at those who broke the treaty, it did not affect those who abided by the treaty. When we read the passage (9:5), it is evident, it’s talking about a war with the pagan Arabs and Muslims. This was a historical event that happened in the lifetime of Prophet Muhammad (p). Furthermore, verse 9:13 provides proof that it was the Pagans who started this war, the verse states, “Would you not fight a people who broke their oaths and determined to expel the Messenger , and they had begun to attack you first?” This is proof that Prophet Muhammad (p) did not start this war, but it was those treacherous Pagan Arabs that started to expel and started fighting the Messenger. Two non-Muslim translations of the Quran on 9:13, John Medows Rodwell What! will ye not fight against those Meccans who have broken their oaths and aimed to expel your Apostle, and attacked you first? Will ye dread them? God is more worthy of your fear, if ye are believers! And N J Dawood Will you not fight against those who have broken their oaths and conspired to banish the Apostle? They were the first to attack you. Do you fear them? Surely God is more deserving of your fear, if you are true believers. Factors of breakers of the treaty ”Will you not fight people who A) broke their oaths B) determined to expel the Messenger C) attacked you first Do you fear them? But God has more right that you should fear him, if you are believers Surah 9:13 As it is shown, in that context, those pagans who violated their treaties and attacked the Muslims first, basically, the Muslims were allowed to fight back in self-defence. Why is it that Islamophobes never show 9:6? Let’s read: 9:6 And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah. Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know. The verse shows that if any of the pagans who broke the treaty and wanted protection, that they be granted protection and deliver him to his ‘place of safety’. This shows even when the pagan Arabs who broke the treaty and when they attacked the Muslims first, the Muslims were commanded by Allah to make peace if they asked. Hence, it’s evident reading the verses in its context that this was a war of self-defence against those pagan Arabs who broke the treaty and attacked the Muslims. Commentary on 9:5 by Muslim and non- Muslim scholars Ustadh Faraz A. Khan commenting on Quran 9:5 says, Context of the Verse of the Sword [9:5] …….the Verse of the Sword deals specifically with the situation of Meccan polytheists breaking peace treaties and openly declaring war on the Muslim polity . The verse, then, commands the Muslim state to take up arms and defend itself against those that breached their covenants and attacked out of treachery . This explanation is confirmed by the most reliable Imams of Qur’anic exegesis [tafsir], including Imam Razi, Imam Jamal, Imam Zamakhshari, Imam Baydawi, Imam Nasafi, Imam Biqa`i, and others. [Razi, Mafatih al-Ghayb; Jamal, Hashiyat al-Jalalayn; Zamakhshari, Kashshaf; Baydawi, Anwar al-Tanzil; Nasafi, Madarik al-Tanzil; Biqa`i, Nadhm al-Durar] The verse, therefore, can by no means be generalized to refer to all disbelievers. Such an interpretation is not confirmed by scholars of Qur’anic interpretation. It would be both contrary to the intent of the verses as well as disastrous for the security of both Muslim and non- Muslim citizens and nation-states. [1] Islamic Scholar Muhammad Asad commentary “5 Lit., ‘Until their term’. 6 According to a pre-Islamic custom prevalent in Arabia, the months of Muharram, Rajab, Dh’l-Qa’dah and Dhu’l-Hijjah were considered ‘sacred’ in the sense that all tribal warfare had to cease during those months. It was with a view to preserving these periods of truce and thus to promoting peace among the frequently warring tribes that the Qur’an did not revoke, but rather confirmed, this ancient custom. See also 2:194 and 217 7 Read in conjunction with the preceding verses, as well as with 2:190-194, the above verse relates to warfare already in progress with people who have become guilty obligations and of aggression . 8 I.e., ‘do everything that may be necessary and advisable in warfare’. The term marsad denotes ‘any place from which it is possible to perceive the enemy and to observe his movements (Manar x, 199). 9 As I have pointed out on more than one occasion, every verse of the Qur’an must be read and interpreted against the background of the Qur’an as a whole . The above verse, which speaks of a possible conversion to Islam on the part of ‘those who ascribe divinity to aught beside God’ with whom the believers are at war, must, therefore, be considered in conjunction with several fundamental Qur’anic ordinances. One of them, ‘There shall be no coercion in matters of faith’ (2:256) , lays down categorically that any attempt at a forcible conversion of unbelievers is prohibited-which precludes the possibility of the Muslims demanding or expecting that a defeated enemy should embrace Islam as the price of immunity. Secondly, Qur’an ordains ‘Fight in God’s cause against those who wage war against you; but do not commit aggression, for, verily, God does not love aggressors’ (2:190) ; and, ‘if they do not let you be, and do not offer you peace, and do not stay their hands, seize them and slay them whenever you come upon them: and it is against these that we have clearly empowered you [to make war]’ (4:91). Thus, war is permissible only in self-defence (see surah 2, notes 167 and 168, with the further proviso that ’if they desist- behold, God, God is much-forgiving, a dispenser of grace’ (2:192), and ‘if they desist, then all hostility shall cease’ (2:193) . Now the enemy’s conversion to Islam- expressed in the words, ‘if they repent, and take to prayer [lit., ‘establish prayer’] and render the purifying dues [zakah]’- is no more than one, and by no means the only, way of their ‘desisting from hostility’; and the reference to it in verses 5 and 11 of this surah certainly does not imply an alternative of ‘conversion or death’, as some unfriendly critics of Islam choose to assume. Verse 4 and 6 give a further elucidation of the attitude which the believers are enjoined to adopt towards such of the unbelievers are not hostile to them. (In this connection, see also 60:8-9).” [2]
Re: Quran.. Verse Of The Sword... Most Notably Use By ISIS And Boko Haram Wrongly by Annunaki(m): 1:45pm On Oct 18, 2015
Very long and boring attempt to obfuscate rthe real meaning of that verse to deceive kaffirs but what do you have to say about Quoran 8:39 which gives an open ended instruction to fight kaffirs until religion is only for allahh?



And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah . And if they cease - then indeed, Allah is Seeing of what they do Quoran 8:39

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Re: Quran.. Verse Of The Sword... Most Notably Use By ISIS And Boko Haram Wrongly by madjnr: 3:40pm On Oct 18, 2015
Annunaki:
Very long and boring attempt to obfuscate rthe real meaning of that verse to deceive kaffirs but what do you have to say about Quoran 8:39 which gives an open ended instruction to fight kaffirs until religion is only for allahh?



And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah . And if they cease - then indeed, Allah is Seeing of what they do Quoran 8:39

Guy... You go school at all why are you quoting the quran out of context.... even your Christian brethren are laughing at you now....
Re: Quran.. Verse Of The Sword... Most Notably Use By ISIS And Boko Haram Wrongly by madjnr: 3:43pm On Oct 18, 2015
Pls. Attack the message not the messenger.... If you can't find crack in my post.... It means i prevail in correcting a notion that those verses promote violence

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Re: Quran.. Verse Of The Sword... Most Notably Use By ISIS And Boko Haram Wrongly by abduljabbar4(m): 3:52pm On Oct 18, 2015
madjnr:
Pls. Attack the message not the messenger.... If you can't find crack in my post.... It means i prevail in correcting a notion that those verses promote violence
Nice piece though but those people have been taken over by the devil. They will never listen even if the truth is clear to them they will never accept. For example look at the post of annunaki the monkey.
Re: Quran.. Verse Of The Sword... Most Notably Use By ISIS And Boko Haram Wrongly by Annunaki(m): 4:10pm On Oct 18, 2015
madjnr:


Guy... You go school at all why are you quoting the quran out of context.... even your Christian brethren are laughing at you now....

I challenge you to explain the right context without using al taquiya. tongue
Re: Quran.. Verse Of The Sword... Most Notably Use By ISIS And Boko Haram Wrongly by Annunaki(m): 4:12pm On Oct 18, 2015
madjnr:
Pls. Attack the message not the messenger.... If you can't find crack in my post.... It means i prevail in correcting a notion that those verses promote violence

Take your al taquiya post to boko haram and isis, they are the ones that need it and not us you are trying to deceive.
Re: Quran.. Verse Of The Sword... Most Notably Use By ISIS And Boko Haram Wrongly by madjnr: 4:15pm On Oct 18, 2015
abduljabbar4:

Nice piece though but those people have been taken over by the devil. They will never listen even if the truth is clear to them they will never accept. For example look at the post of annunaki the monkey.

Thanks brother

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Re: Quran.. Verse Of The Sword... Most Notably Use By ISIS And Boko Haram Wrongly by abduljabbar4(m): 4:16pm On Oct 18, 2015
madjnr:


Thanks brother
Ur welcome
Re: Quran.. Verse Of The Sword... Most Notably Use By ISIS And Boko Haram Wrongly by madjnr: 4:19pm On Oct 18, 2015
Annunaki:


Take your al taquiya post to boko haram and isis, they are the ones that need it and not us you are trying to deceive.

Instead of attacking the message... You're attacking the messenger....
Re: Quran.. Verse Of The Sword... Most Notably Use By ISIS And Boko Haram Wrongly by Annunaki(m): 4:33pm On Oct 18, 2015
madjnr:


Instead of attacking the message... You're attacking the messenger....

The message is full of lies and you know it. According to the quoran mohamed is islam's best of mankind and muslims are encouraged to emulate him. Now tell me what isis and boko haram are doing that is not in emulation of what mohamed did or instructed. The pic below should freshen your memory. tongue

Re: Quran.. Verse Of The Sword... Most Notably Use By ISIS And Boko Haram Wrongly by madjnr: 5:34pm On Oct 18, 2015
This your lies is making you look stupid.... You're diverting us from the topic of the thread... According to literature ?? Which literature ?? You have no prove of that nonsense
Re: Quran.. Verse Of The Sword... Most Notably Use By ISIS And Boko Haram Wrongly by Annunaki(m): 6:46pm On Oct 18, 2015
madjnr:
This your lies is making you look stupid.... You're diverting us from the topic of the thread... According to literature ?? Which literature ?? You have no prove of that nonsense

Are you talking to me cause I didn't talk of any literature. undecided

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Re: Quran.. Verse Of The Sword... Most Notably Use By ISIS And Boko Haram Wrongly by dalaman2: 6:55pm On Oct 18, 2015
Seriously, why do muslims love copying and pasting very long epistles when debating with others? Why do you guys love doing that?
Re: Quran.. Verse Of The Sword... Most Notably Use By ISIS And Boko Haram Wrongly by Annunaki(m): 7:03pm On Oct 18, 2015
dalaman2:
Seriously, why do muslims love copying and pasting very long epistles when debating with others? Why do you guys love doing that?

And to make matters worse the long epistles never make any sense but only serve to obfuscate the real issues.

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Re: Quran.. Verse Of The Sword... Most Notably Use By ISIS And Boko Haram Wrongly by madjnr: 7:15pm On Oct 18, 2015
Typical bigots.... Instead of attacking the message... You're attacking the messenger.... What has copy and paste got to do with this now... ? The issue is the wrong use of some quranic verse... You're here ranting over inconsequential tins
Re: Quran.. Verse Of The Sword... Most Notably Use By ISIS And Boko Haram Wrongly by Demmzy15(m): 7:43pm On Oct 18, 2015
dalaman2:
[s]Seriously, why do muslims love copying and pasting very long epistles when debating with others? Why do you guys love doing that?[/s]
Are you seriously accusing us of that?! Muslims copy and paste epistles to defend? I think you're bias here!
Re: Quran.. Verse Of The Sword... Most Notably Use By ISIS And Boko Haram Wrongly by dalaman: 8:04pm On Oct 18, 2015
madjnr:
Typical bigots.... Instead of attacking the message... You're attacking the messenger.... What has copy and paste got to do with this now... ? The issue is the wrong use of some quranic verse... You're here ranting over inconsequential tins

A lot of muslims actually believe and take those war verses to mean what they say, but a lot of muslims can not keep fighting the non muslims because muslims are second class citizens in the world. Non muslims have all the biggest and best militaries in the world, they have the biggest and best economies in the world and have all the wealth, muslims nations have little coupled with the fact that about 80 percent of the world's population is non muslim, if muslims try fighting every body all the time they will all be killed and there will be no muslim left in the world. So muslims have to just look for ways to brush aside all the violent verses and give them their own meaning because they know very well that reality supersedes their religious beliefs.

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Re: Quran.. Verse Of The Sword... Most Notably Use By ISIS And Boko Haram Wrongly by madjnr: 8:47pm On Oct 18, 2015
dalaman:


A lot of muslims actually believe and take those war verses to mean what they say, but a lot of muslims can not keep fighting the non muslims because muslims are second class citizens in the world. Non muslims have all the biggest and best militaries in the world, they have the biggest and best economies in the world and have all the wealth, muslims nations have little coupled with the fact that about 80 percent of the world's population is non muslim, if muslims try fighting every body all the time they will all be killed and there will be no muslim left in the world. So muslims have to just look for ways to brush aside all the violent verses and give them their own meaning because they know very well that reality supersedes their religious beliefs.

You're talking OP... HOW'S that related to the topic here ?
Re: Quran.. Verse Of The Sword... Most Notably Use By ISIS And Boko Haram Wrongly by Nobody: 8:51pm On Oct 18, 2015
I'm tired of you guys trying to defend the Quaran and expect us to ignore the atrocities committed by your prophet at the same time.

He said it, he did it, he wrote it, and he inspired it.

What else do we need to take into context?

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Re: Quran.. Verse Of The Sword... Most Notably Use By ISIS And Boko Haram Wrongly by madjnr: 8:54pm On Oct 18, 2015
Pyrrho:
I'm tired of you guys trying to defend the Quaran and expect us to ignore the atrocities committed by your prophet at the same time.

He said it, he did it, he wrote it, and he inspired it.

What else do we need to take into context?

You're silly.. So the Muslim then shouldn't have defended 'em self when they were under attacked ? What a retard you're
Re: Quran.. Verse Of The Sword... Most Notably Use By ISIS And Boko Haram Wrongly by Nobody: 9:09pm On Oct 18, 2015
madjnr:


You're silly.. So the Muslim then shouldn't have defended 'em self when they were under attacked ? What a retard you're
No boy, you "fastpokes" are too quick to end lives over silly things.

Modified: I know other religions which in the face of death and death threats maintained non-violence as their core doctrine. I'll be out of my common sense to promote a violent religion.

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Re: Quran.. Verse Of The Sword... Most Notably Use By ISIS And Boko Haram Wrongly by madjnr: 10:40pm On Oct 18, 2015
Pyrrho:
No boy, you "fastpokes" are too quick to end lives over silly things.

Modified: I know other religions which in the face of death and death threats maintained non-violence as their core doctrine. I'll be out of my common sense to promote a violent religion.

Are you okay ?when has self defence become a crime ??
Re: Quran.. Verse Of The Sword... Most Notably Use By ISIS And Boko Haram Wrongly by Annunaki(m): 5:51am On Oct 19, 2015
Pyrrho:
I'm tired of you guys trying to defend the Quaran and expect us to ignore the atrocities committed by your prophet at the same time.

He said it, he did it, he wrote it, and he inspired it.

What else do we need to take into context?

Very well said, a million likes for this.
Re: Quran.. Verse Of The Sword... Most Notably Use By ISIS And Boko Haram Wrongly by Annunaki(m): 5:55am On Oct 19, 2015
madjnr:


You're silly.. So the Muslim then shouldn't have defended 'em self when they were under attacked ? What a retard you're
madjnr:

Are you okay ?when has self defence become a crime ??

Stop this al taquiya nonsense mohamed's battles were mostly offensive and not defensive. We all know what Jihad means and no amount of lies you post here can change this fact.

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Re: Quran.. Verse Of The Sword... Most Notably Use By ISIS And Boko Haram Wrongly by madjnr: 7:00am On Oct 19, 2015
Annunaki:



Stop this al taquiya nonsense mohamed's battles were mostly offensive and not defensive. We all know what Jihad means and no amount of lies you post here can change this fact.

Prove this your lies or remain quiet.... Remember Moses did the same thing too
Re: Quran.. Verse Of The Sword... Most Notably Use By ISIS And Boko Haram Wrongly by Annunaki(m): 7:06am On Oct 19, 2015
madjnr:


Prove this your lies or remain quiet.... Remember Moses did the same thing too

We both know who is lying. Does quoran 9:29 sound defensive to you
Re: Quran.. Verse Of The Sword... Most Notably Use By ISIS And Boko Haram Wrongly by basilico: 7:53am On Oct 19, 2015
An Al Aqsa preacher confirms that muslims will exterminate the Jews . To the last one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJyuTQ9kNCY&feature=youtu.be


Annunaki:


The message is full of lies and you know it. According to the quoran mohamed is islam's best of mankind and muslims are encouraged to emulate him. Now tell me what isis and boko haram are doing that is not in emulation of what mohamed did or instructed. The pic below should freshen your memory. tongue
Re: Quran.. Verse Of The Sword... Most Notably Use By ISIS And Boko Haram Wrongly by parisbookaddict(f): 3:47pm On Oct 19, 2015
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[size=18pt] OP u have posted long and boring lies.. islam is evil we all know it.. READ THIS

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“And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their
testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God.”-Revelation
20:4
https://www.nairaland.com/2142658/graphic-pictures-christians-
slaughtered-islamic
the usual standard muslim response that
those muslims who kill non muslims are:
1) Tiny minority
2) Misunderstaders of Islam
3) Not true muslims
4) Are zionist agents sponsored by the CIA to tarnish the image of Islam
5) They do not understand quran in 'original' arabic
6) The dont go to mosque regularly.
7) They have been radicalized
They dont represent the 1.5billion muslims.
9) They are marginalized by the govt.
10) It is the fault of the victims who offend the fragile sensibilty of
muslims
11) alllah know the best.
And other standardized excuses that islamic apologist give anytime their
foot-soldiers go on a killing spree.
People often wonder why a lot of Muslim riots and protests occur after
Friday prayers and why people like jihad john, Osama and other
terrorists are devout mosque attending Muslims.
Most moderate Muslims will use AL TAQIYYA or ignorance and quote this
non-compulsion of religion verse: Qu'ran2: 256
Sahih International
"There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right
course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in
Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold
with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing."
But they refuse to mention the other verses which compels their terrible
religion on others. Remember the quran is a book that is filled with
contractions and abrogations and even commands for Muslims to lie and
deceive infidels eg Kitman and al Taqiyya..
Here is a little sample of the over 100 quran verses Islamic terrorists
use to justify their acts of terror as commanded by Mohammed with
total disregard for the non-complusion of religion earlier stated ;
Qur’an 9:29—Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor
hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His
Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the
People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and
feel themselves subdued.
Qur’an 9:28—O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let
them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. And if
ye fear poverty, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty,
for Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.
Qur’an 9:30—The Jews call Uzair a son of God, and the Christians call
Christ the son of God. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they
but imitate what the Unbelievers of old used to say. Allah’s curse be on
them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!
Qur’an 9:31—They take their priests and their anchorites to be their
lords in derogation of Allah, and (they take as their Lord) Christ, the
son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One God: there is
no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the
partners they associate (with Him).
Qur’an 9:32—Fain would they extinguish Allah’s Light with their mouths,
but Allah will not allow but that His Light should be perfected, even
though the Unbelievers may detest (it).
Qur’an 9:33—It is He Who hath sent His Messenger with Guidance and
the Religion of Truth, to prevail it over all religion, even though the
Pagans may detest (it).
Qur’an 5:51—O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians
for friends; they are friends of each other.
Qur’an 9:73—O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the
hypocrites and be unyielding to them.
Qur’an 9:111—Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons and
their property for this, that they shall have the garden; they fight in
Allah's way, so they slay and are slain.
Qur’an 9:123—O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are
near to you and let them find in you hardness.
Qur’an 47:35—Be not weary and fainthearted, crying for peace, when
ye should be uppermost.
Qur’an 48:29—Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those who are
with him are severe against disbelievers, and merciful among
themselves.
"The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be
worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except
in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits
illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate)
and leaves the Muslims." (Bukhari, Book 83 Number 17)
Sahih Muslim 30—Muhammad said: “I have been commanded to fight
against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but
Allah.”
Sahih Muslim 4366—Muhammad said: “I will expel the Jews and
Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but
Muslims.”
Sunan An-Nasa’i 3099—The Prophet said: “Whoever dies without having
fought or having thought of fighting, he dies on one of the branches of
hypocrisy.”
Sunan Ibn Majah 2763—The Messenger of Allah said: “Whoever meets
Allah with no mark on him (as a result of fighting) in His cause, he will
meet Him with a deficiency.”
Sahih al-Bukhari 6922—Allah’s Messenger said, “If anyone changed his
Islamic religion, then kill him.”
Qur'an (4:74)-"Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of
this world for the other. Whoso FIGHTETH IN THE WAY OF Allah, BE HE
SLAIN or be he victorious, on him WE SHALL BESTOW A VAST REWARD"
Qur'an (9:111)-"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and
their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they
fight in His cause, AND SLAY AND ARE SLAIN: a promise binding on Him
in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the
Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then
rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement
supreme."
Qur'an (2:207)-"And there is the type of man who GIVES HIS LIFE to
earn the pleasure of Allah..."
Qur'an (61:10-12)"O ye who believe! Shall I lead you to a bargain that
will save you from a grievous Penalty? That ye believe in Allah and His
Messenger, and that ye strive (your utmost) in the Cause of Allah, with
your property and your persons: That will be best for you, if ye but
knew! He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath
which Rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Gardens of Eternity:
that is indeed the Supreme Achievement."
This verse was given at the battle Uhud and uses the Arabic word, Jihad.
The dark-eyed virgins are mentioned in several places as well, including
verses 44:54 and 52:20.
For those who swing the other way, there are"perpetual
youth"verse6:17, otherwise known as"boys"verses52:24and76:19.
Qur'an (17:33)"And do not kill the soul which Allah has forbidden,
EXCEPT BY RIGHT"
Qur'an 3:151
Soon shall we cast TERROR into the hearts of the unbelievers, for that
they joined companion with Allah...
Bukhari (52:54)- The words of Muhammad:"I would love to be martyred
in Allah's Cause and then get resurrected and then get martyred, and
then get resurrected again and then get martyred and then get
resurrected again and then get martyred." This is why modern-day
Jihadists often say that they love death.
Qur'an (5:51)-"O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the
Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever
amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them;
surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."
Qur'an (5:80)-"You will see many of them befriending those who
disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for
them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall
they abide." Those Muslims who befriend unbelievers will abide in hell.
Qur'an (3:28)-"Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers
Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there
be help from Allah:except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard
yourselves from them..." This last part means that the Muslim is allowed
to feign friendship if it is of benefit.

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