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Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 11:59am On Oct 18, 2015 |
truthislight: your dishonesty is severe, you don't adress the subject, but change it because you cannot admit you are wrong johnw74: |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 12:06pm On Oct 18, 2015 |
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Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by MuttleyLaff: 12:16pm On Oct 18, 2015 |
BERNIMOORE:I had previously gone through almost all your threads/posts if not all, and already came to realise you're in the ''Satan was an angel'' camp Thats how I got to quote part of your previous thread which is relevant to this present one BERNIMOORE:Trinity or trinitarians, ah, a topic not good for the faint-hearted and/or religious bigot BERNIMOORE:I want to thank you too, as you come across as level-headed. Your postings are calm and sensible, you seem not afraid to get your feet wet feet, nor dont mind delving further into deep waters, I dont know why you dont mind the deep end, maybe its because you know how to swim out or maybe it's due to the life-jacket you've strapped on BERNIMOORE:Let start with this first, do you agree that, first and foremost, satan is a celestial being Satan, before angel or Arch-angel (i.e. which a step above an angel) comes into the picture, fundamentally, is an invisible being. Secondly, its vital to agree that, not all celestial beings or invisible beings are angels, however all angels are celestial or invisible beings Some celestial or invisible beings are stationed or have offices and dont go on errands Some celestial or invisible beings, are stationed or have offices and combinedly, do go on errands BERNIMOORE:This cant be adequately and satisfactorily addressed, until, what the word ''God'' means and/or what the word, ''God'', is all about, is expressed or put into words according to your understanding. |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by BERNIMOORE: 12:16pm On Oct 18, 2015 |
johnw74:so satan is an angle, angle 90' 180' or 360'? ![]() ![]() you dont care what i think but you want me to care about what you think! you still dont get it, i dont need to beg you with what i believe, i only responded because you 'came on my thread' only to realise that you had already concluded in your mind to fight whoever tried to ask of proof that satan was an angel. john74 you are NOT fair to me at all, are you saying that i dont have the right to my own opinion? when you have your own right? its very funny anyway. 1 Like |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 12:51pm On Oct 18, 2015 |
BERNIMOORE: yeah i spelt a word wrong, i must have bad concentration, duh you dont care what i think but you want me to care about what you think! you like jw assume wrongly you still dont get it, i dont need to beg you with what i believe, i only responded because you 'came on my thread' only to realise that you had already concluded in your mind to fight whoever tried to ask of proof that satan was an angel. you posted to me not i to you like jmaho5 you stuck your nose in where it wasn't wanted they are wrong as you are you and they have rejected scriptures i have posted am i going to post them again to show you, no go back and look for them. john74 you are NOT fair to me at all, are you saying that i dont have the right to my own opinion? when you have your own right? then start laughing instead of crying-winging |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by BERNIMOORE: 12:53pm On Oct 18, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff:Thank you sir, i just realised that the time we put on arguments at times may worth it and at times not even worth it, Trinity issue will continue till the God knows when, because its a mind set, most of the believers are not ready to come out of their comfort zone(what they are persuaded to believe) and honestly test their convinction because of fear of failure so they hung to their 'untested beliefs' with a 'made up mind' yet they get irritated when you prove your own convinction. thats just the case of one john74 on this thread who never knew me from adam and yet not interested in my topic yet calling me names its funny anyway because since he has got no proof tangible i dont think i will have his time. Anyway like i said i am open to new ideas. Let start with this first,Of course yes, i agree that satan was a celestial beign and invincible beign. Secondly, its vital to agree that, not all celestial beings or invisible beings are angels, however all angels are celestial or invisible beingsi agree with that, expecially those reffered to as the 24 elders |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 1:02pm On Oct 18, 2015 |
BERNIMOORE:lies like jw and just like bad spirited jw, he cannot help stirring even in others posts. |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by BERNIMOORE: 1:12pm On Oct 18, 2015 |
johnw74:Thats the effect of getting yourself annoyed unduly, i dont know your age but you still behave like someone not matured to handle issues in a matured way. you posted to mewhere did i post to you? is it on this thread? i think you should go back to page 0, you were the very first person to quote my p[ost and comment. you and they have rejected scriptures i have postedwhich scripture? the scripture you posted did not prove anything, i have treated it in my coded post (A#1) you were afraid to show further proofs when the ones you relied on in the passage failed to adress the issue here was my reply because it seems you want us to go round the tables thats why i coded my replies post (A#1) below are all the contents of bible verses that you quoted which all failed to call satan an angel! Ezekiel 28:13,14 and 15 13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. 14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. 15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. 17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. Ephesians 3:9King James Version (KJV) 9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: Psalm 99:1King James Version (KJV) The Lord reigneth; let the people tremble: he sitteth between the cherubims; let the earth be moved. Isaiah 14:13King James Version (KJV) 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north Revelation 12:3,4,7-9 3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. your reply Fail to address (A)in the very Topic, that is; lets see the scriptures you quoted in your juxtapose, a, Ezekiel 28:13, 15 b, Ezekiel 28:14 c, Ephesians 3:9 d, Psalms 99:1 e, Isaiah 14:13, 14. f, John 8:44 g, Revelation 12:3,4 h Revelation 12:7-9 a-f .....did not mention that Lucifer was Satan while; 'g' and 'H' ...did not Mention lucifer at all among names that satan was called in 'h' neither was satan called an angel in the passage so your proof lacks the substance that is.... to prove where the bible/sacred scriptures DIRECTLY says that satan is/was an angel |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 1:36pm On Oct 18, 2015 |
BERNIMOORE: why dont you answer him instead of avoiding like jw does and asking other questions |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 1:48pm On Oct 18, 2015 |
BERNIMOORE: @red, you lie as much as any jw here and you sound just like them |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 1:51pm On Oct 18, 2015 |
johnw74: truthislight replied to that post: truthislight: so according to truthislight, because i said "Father God has never called an Angel "His Son". then i have come here to lie against Yahweh however i said what the verse said: Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? johnw74: Then this is truthislight next reply to the fact that Father God never called an Angel "my Son" truthislight: 1 Like |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 2:18pm On Oct 18, 2015 |
@berniemoore jw johnw74: |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by Tjayjosh(m): 3:13pm On Oct 18, 2015 |
BERNIMOORE:You asked two questions. The answer is Yes for both. Trying to understand the scriptures deductively, may never give you the answers you truly need. "You may frequently be like a blind man grooming in a dark room for a black cat which is not there". Most words as used in the Bible are metaphorical in nature. As you cannot seperate fish from water, you cannot seperate metaphor with the writen word of God. And the disciples came and said unto him, why speakest thou unto them in parables? He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mystries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given (Matthew 13:10-11). Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said this is an hard saying; who can understand it? When jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you? What if ye shall see the son of man ascend up where he was before? It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that i speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life (John 6:60-63). You need the spirit of God in you before you can fully understand and interpret His word. prophecy in Ezekiel 28:11-19 talked about the king of tyre. However, some of the descriptions in this bible passage go beyond any mere human king. In no sense could an earthly king claim to be “in Eden” or to be “the anointed cherub who covers” or to be “on the holy mountain of God.” Ezekiel 28:11–19 is a dual prophecy, comparing the pride of the king of Tyre to the pride of Satan as described in Isaiah 14:12-14. This exceptional long prophecy against Tyre shows a veiled description of satan (28:11-19) as the real power behind the king of Tyre. Satan was not directly called an angel in the bible. For what we know, he was called "a cherub." A cherub/cherubim is an angel. A tiger may not be called a cat, but it is still a cat. 2 Likes |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by Nobody: 3:41pm On Oct 18, 2015 |
johnw74: Phony are u ready for discussion or u will soon revert to default reply? And what make me laugh at empty heads like u cos u think that kjv translated what John wrote in revelation word for word. Now did KJV add? Just shmh for u. |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by BERNIMOORE: 4:07pm On Oct 18, 2015 |
Tjayjosh:The bolded is honest answer that i need from you! as you did not shy away from expressing your understanding in a logical way For what we know, he was called "a cherub."Again satan was not directly called a cherub! it was lucifer that was called 'a cherub' and the missing link here is that 'lucifer was never called satan' but then you arrived at that conclusion in your own logical way or through a secondary 'evidence of proof' or opinion below ..that; Tjayjosh:Your opinion above seem to be in conflict with what you said about 'a cherub' and the 'Garden of Eden' Gen 3:24 shows that we have more than one cherub(Cherubims) who also were at the Eden; and these cherubims were sent by God himself Genesis 3:24 KJV So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life. can you give further explanations to butress your point beyond reasonable doubt? that lucifer was which of the cherub in Eden? even though we had more than one Cherub in Eden! thanks |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by MuttleyLaff: 4:12pm On Oct 18, 2015 |
BERNIMOORE: BERNIMOORE:johnw74 knows what he is doing, the jw name calling is a cunning plan designed to turn the state of affairs to his own advantage Every time jw is typed, regardless of you saying you arent jw, it's used to try to drown you out or done to try and emasculate you BERNIMOORE:Is the bold meant to be a past tense (i.e. ''was'') or present tense (i.e. ''is'')? 1 Like |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by BERNIMOORE: 4:28pm On Oct 18, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff:lets leave the guy out before he attacks you so that we can have a meaningful discussion, He is reduced to one Dimensional ![]() Is the bold meant to be a past tense (i.e. ''was'') or present tense (i.e. ''is'')? i think both(''is'' and ''was'') in my own context fits the fact that satan still remains celestial and invincible! |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by MuttleyLaff: 4:47pm On Oct 18, 2015 |
BERNIMOORE:I hear you, loud and clear BERNIMOORE:Hmm BERNIMOORE:Haba Chief, you can't have your cake and eat it (too) Wetin be ''i think both ''is'' and ''was''?'' It's either satan is a celestial being and due to the limitations of human beings' vision, is invisible to human beings' korokoro eyes and satan, as up to now, remains still being a celestial being and invisible (i.e. satan had not for a fraction of a second, EVER stopped to be a celestial being or at any time stopped being invisible to human beings) No one, no human being, bible recorded or not, has ever seen satan before, so what's with ''i think both (''is'' and ''was'') in my own context''? What's that all about? |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by Boomark(m): 4:58pm On Oct 18, 2015 |
johnw74: Please answer these questions honestly. 1. Do you agree that Jesus is a Messenger of God? E.g. "'Behold, I send My messenger,... And the Lord, whom you seek,... the Messenger of the covenant,... says the LORD of hosts" (full details at Malachi 3:1). Rev 1:1, God gave him a message to deliver to us of things to come(this is true no matter who finally deliver the message to us). 2. Do you agree that Angels are messengers of God? 3. Do you agree that in 1 and 2, Jesus and the Angels are messengers of God, doing similar work for God at different levels? Use a Yes or No answer before adding your reasons. A 'Yes and No' answer is not allowed. Do not start by telling us how Jesus christ is God, use bible verses about messenger and, or Angels to support your submission. Would like to hear from MuttleyLaff too. 1 Like |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by dolphinheart(m): 5:28pm On Oct 18, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff: I think one issue should be cleared , are all invisible beings celestial? |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by BERNIMOORE: 7:01pm On Oct 18, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff:ok, satan ''is'' a celestial being, are you ok with that now ![]() ![]() But you know that satan Has no place among other celestials in heaven anymore! he has already fall out of Gods arrangements. Rev 12:8 and 9 8 but they (Devil and his angels) did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by MuttleyLaff: 7:16pm On Oct 18, 2015 |
BERNIMOORE: Tjayjosh:#1 The bible doesnt and did not say that satan was a cherub #2 The bible doesnt and did not say that satan was an angel but from deductive and inductive reasonings based on scriptures like Jude 1:9, Revelation 12:7 it is evident that satan, at least, is a Seraphim and an ex-Arch-angel (i.e. woldnt be an average typical or ordinary angel but would have possibly been a Chief/Arch angel; one of the princes in God's court) Demons as a matter of fact are fallen angels, who instead of being God's angels, are now are satan's angels (i.e. satan's messengers) Tjayjosh:If you believe this, then, looks like you arent familiar with Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, But the glory of kings is to search out a matter. - Proverbs 25:2 Deductive reasoning with the guidance of the Helper, the Holy Spirit, are a perfect match to understanding the scriptures bro. Tjayjosh: Tjayjosh:Tut-tut-tut, ah that famous ''You need the spirit of God in you before you can fully understand and interpret His word'' cliche Most, already have the spirit of God on but the thing is, most havent grown out to fill the spirit of God they have on Most need to ''bulk up'' to fill into the Spirit of God issued out ![]() The spirit of God is like the shoes and clothes put on in the above picture For some of us it is dangling on us because we havent grown to fill and fit into the shoes and suit hence there would be issues with mobility due to this not bulking up Progressing or moving from one truth to another will be impeded by the hanging and loosely fitting spirit of God Tjayjosh:All of the descriptions in that passage and the previous chapters are about the king mentioned in it Tjayjosh:That earthly Tyre king wasnt in that literal ''Eden'' but was in this Eden mentioned in ''A Lament for Tyre'' in Ezekiel 27:21-23: 21The Arabians and the princes of Kedar sent merchants to trade lambs and rams and male goats in exchange for your goods. 22The merchants of Sheba and Raamah came with all kinds of spices, jewels, and gold in exchange for your wares. 23“Haran, Canneh, EDEN, Sheba, Asshur, and Kilmad came with their merchandise, too - Ezekiel 27:21-23 The reason Ezekiel, was suggesting the King was in Eden, the garden of God, was because the King was so blessed by God, that the blessing, knowledge, might etcetera was virtually the same as like being in Eden, the garden of God The king in essence, was on par with Adam and all Adam had, before Adam's fall from grace. Tjayjosh:For what you havent known is, he, the King of Tyre and not satan, is the object of discussion in those verses. Further to the bit explained above, it is the King of Tyre and NOT satan, who was compared to and/or called a cherub Satan is more of a seraphim than being a cherub or cherubim |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by MuttleyLaff: 7:17pm On Oct 18, 2015 |
Boomark:Yes, the word used in Malachi 3:1 is the Hebrew word ''Malaika'' which if in Greek ''Angelos'' would have been used. Whether in Hebrew, Greek or English, angel means messenger or someone sent on errands - a short journey undertaken in order to deliver a message, collect or do something, often on another's behalf. Few examples could be: Angels that after death, carried Lazarus to be at Abraham's side (i.e. Luke 16:22) Angel from heaven, appearing at the Mount of Olives to strengthen God the Son before the crucifixion (i.e. Luke 22:43) An angel sent to protect the Israelites on journey to the promised land and lead them safely to this place God prepared for them (i.e. Exodus 23:20) Boomark:Affirmatively, Psalm 103:20 Praise the LORD, you angels, you mighty ones who carry out his plans, listening for each of his commands. - Psalm 103:20 Boomark:Affirmatively, Malachi 3:1, Luke 16:22, Luke 22:43, Exodus 23:20 etcetera are instructive |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by MuttleyLaff: 7:18pm On Oct 18, 2015 |
dolphinheart: ![]() Clearing this will depend on what ones understanding of what celestial is or what celestial means You used to live in sin, just like the rest of the world, obeying the devil --the commander of the powers in the unseen world. He is the spirit at work in the hearts of those who refuse to obey God - Ephesians 2:2 The earth was redeveloped/re-created for human beings (i.e. man) and as such the only beings legally allowed to operated on earth are human beings (i.e. beings with a BODY made from earth) All celestial or invisible beings know this They all understand that a body is needed in order to be legally living and operating on earth - if any interested, can expatiate and give examples about this This is how serious this is, even, God, Himself abided by this decree and didnt make Himself an exception to it God obtained a body in the person of Jesus, God the Son, to legally operate on earth |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by MuttleyLaff: 7:39pm On Oct 18, 2015 |
BERNIMOORE:Am not saying, you tried pulling a fast one on us there, but only wanted to see how you stood, on whether satan is a celestial being or not a celestial being anymore - one cant, on a matter like this, sit on the fence, like you first tried to do bro BERNIMOORE:Yes, Satan, from time immemorial, has always been an ex-Heaven resident and long gone lost favour with God |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by Emusan(m): 7:54pm On Oct 18, 2015 |
Boomark: But you're dishonest in asking this question. 1. Do you agree that Jesus is a Messenger of God? E.g. "'Behold, I send My messenger,... And the Lord, whom you seek,... the Messenger of the covenant,... says the LORD of hosts" (full details at Malachi 3:1). Rev 1:1, God gave him a message to deliver to us of things to come(this is true no matter who finally deliver the message to us). The messenger here is talking about John the Baptist not Jesus Christ. Is John the Baptist an Angel? Let me start with this: Who is talking in this verse? It's Yahweh! Then notice the wording "...my messenger, and he shall prepare the way BEFORE ME..." Here the Speaker said the messenger will prepare the way for HIM not for another person. Then who did John prepare way for? Jesus Christ! Going with this verse, Yahweh has come in the flesh in the person of Jesus Christ fulfilling this promise. 2. Do you agree that Angels are messengers of God? Yes! But being a messenger of God does not make all the messengers of God an Angel. Some human being are also God's messengers. 3. Do you agree that in 1 and 2, Jesus and the Angels are messengers of God, doing similar work for God at different levels? Let me answer this with this statement. What is delusion? Delusion is to believe that Jehovah FIRST CREATED Jesus Christ EVEN WHEN HEAVEN and ALL ITS Hosts are not yet created and Jesus Christ who enjoyed millions of years with His Father before heaven itself where ANGELS dwell was created later used to create ALL THE ANGELS (which Michael was actually included) and can still be part of what He Himself created. Lastly, do you believe that Jesus Christ in His prehuman was created before heaven itself? Let me give you clue so that you'll know where I'm going. All creations by default need SPACE to occupy that's why God has to create Heaven for Angels to dwell and Earth for man and only God occupies/dwells in ETERNITY. |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by truthislight: 8:01pm On Oct 18, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff: On the red, not so first. can we have some particulars ? what evidence do you have for the statement on red? I am keenly interested. when did that "time immemorial" started. and the evidences for that statement. peace. |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by MuttleyLaff: 8:24pm On Oct 18, 2015 |
truthislight:You forgot to add Watson at the end truthislight:Permit me to qualify the statement on red with this: Satan, from time immemorial, has truthislight:Please dont start asking a, how long is a piece of string, question. Peace, love & hair grease. |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by dolphinheart(m): 8:24pm On Oct 18, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff: Yep, that I'm waiting for too. You used to live in sin, just like the rest of the world, obeying the devilNeed scriptural proof of the bold above. and as such the only beings legally allowed to operated on earth are human beings Numbers 22:20-34 says otherwise . The angel that guarded the isrealites on earth did not always take on a physical human body when he guided the isrealites. The holy spirit did not take up human body when operating on earth. At bold, God obtained a body for jesus, the angel told Mary that the son she will bear will be called "gods son" Not "god the son", that sentence does not exist in the scriptures . |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by truthislight: 8:28pm On Oct 18, 2015 |
A situation where Bible evidence are not sufficient to use in answering questions, that spells confusion. Any body that has no Bible portion to use in answering a question should better hold his post and exercise self control by not posting. If Bible authority is not sufficient for any person here to use, he or she should proceed to Islam for Muslim section ASAP. There, they have alternative Scripture. Imagine! Human Imagination cannot give any person everlasting life, but only God can, hence, we should start and end our answers with the word of God. Thank you. |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by MuttleyLaff: 8:38pm On Oct 18, 2015 |
dolphinheart:What are you waiting for then? C'mon, spill the beans, share with all your understanding of what a celestial being is and/or what celestial being means dolphinheart:What!? You must be having a laugh. That is Bible 101... Go to Genesis Chapters 1 and 2 to start with for scriptural proof. That much would do dolphinheart:SMH, I marvel at this your nitpicking legalistic exercise dolphinheart:SMH, here we go again dolphinheart:Seriously step your game up bro Bulk up, to fill into the, at the moment, oversized Holy Spirit shoes and suit |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by truthislight: 8:59pm On Oct 18, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff: Actually, why I am asking is because I have heard some people insinuating that Satan fell before the fall of man(whatever that means). So, now that you came up with similar statement, I had no other option than to ask for evidence. Well, if you don't provide evidence for the claim, taking it with a pinch of salt then is an over statement. |
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