Ultimatesammie:


actually didnt mention that read the posts well be4 quoting.
By the way i feel obito was the one that did most of the work seeing how his ability is hard to fight against.

UchihaItachi:


Wasted 600mb that I'll never get back...I would've probably liked it if I haven't seen the anime but it just looked like a joke compared to the real thing. The only part i liked was the last 15 mins or so when Eren went Titan, the rest was just average. Then again, it's just my personal opinion, you may find it to your liking

PRINCEZUKO1:
Obito did all the killings...Itachi only killed his parents.

hariorh:


Not to forget that this was more of an ambush than a full scale war. They caught the Uchiha clan unawares. Also, Itachi was the only one wielding the MS within the Uchiha at that point in time and he has arguably gotten all the info he needed while working as a double agent before carrying out the operation. This leaves the clan at a serious disadvantage.

And with Obito?

DIVIDE AND CONQUER!!!

PRINCEZUKO1:
Obito did all the killings...Itachi only killed his parents.

xarookqh:
Moreover, Itachi only had a fully developed three-tomoe sharingan before the massacre not the MS

It was only after the massacre he awakened the mangekyo

xarookqh:
Uchiha Shisui had the MS too, even before Itachi

Though he later entrusted both his eye to Itachi

hariorh:


Another baseless argument here

Kindly support with scans

hariorh:

Shisui died before the decimation of the uchiha

hariorh:


Wrong

He had it before the massacre after Shisui's death

xarookqh:
Don't tell me you don't know how an uchiha awakens the mangekyo

Csami:
You guys should stop justifying some plots jor! Obito can finish an entire clan but can't kill kakashi on a one on one combat?
Obito took out the uchiha police station by himself by de-materializing and materializing and yet the uchihas and their useless sharingans couldn't figure sh*t out while kakashi with a borrowed sharingan took one look at Obito and boom! He figured tons of sh*t out.

rapmike:


Here we go again. Please tell me how a mangekyo is awakened.

rapmike:


If you hate Naruto so much, please step out of the thread.
Its awkward that you are arguing like this.... The village had not faced a skilled Uchiha as a foe for some time and obito was very skilled.
Two, it was not with one look Kakashi got to know about Obito's techniques, it took a while before he could unlock things with his observations and it was even an accident that Obito's secret began to leak out.
Then of course if you can't see that Obito was not interested in killing Kakashi off, then I don't know what you want to see again.

Csami:


Oya come push me comot!

Knowing how strong the uchiha's sharingan is, one is expected to know that itachi and obito alone cannot, never defeat them except they are just a clan made of about 101persons minus the 2 that defeated them making them 98.

My point is simple, if it's the same uchihas that fought the senju before the inception of konoha that those 2 defeated, then that whole plot sucks big time.

Csami:


Oya come push me comot!

Knowing how strong the uchiha's sharingan is, one is expected to know that itachi and obito alone cannot, never defeat them except they are just a clan made of about 101persons minus the 2 that defeated them making them 98.

My point is simple, if it's the same uchihas that fought the senju before the inception of konoha that those 2 defeated, then that whole plot sucks big time.

rapmike:


Listen to your argument.
You even forget that in those times, there were special Uchihas and Senjus who were notches above the rest. You are here complaining about them not discovering Obito's technique, how long did Obito and Kakashi fight before Kakashi noticed anything? You make it look like Kakashi just looked at him and boom! All of Obito's techniques are known to him. The Uchiha, who were surprised with an ambush by the best of them is now expected to find out the technique within seconds. To make your argument worse, Kakashi could only counter Obito's attack because he was using Obito's Sharingan and therefore could access his dimension, could the other Uchihas do that?

Am not even mentioning Itachi sef.

hariorh:

Obviously it's not the same age grade as the previous uchiha who set up the hidden leaf. So what's your stress. Is it not the same 12 year old itachi that trounced 3 adult members of the uchiha police force in a close combat without breaking a sweat?
This is not even an argument sef.
What you should try and find out is
Where exactly were the uchiha clan members when the obito-controlled kyuubi was busy destroying the leaf village?
And what grudge did obito have against his clan?

Csami:



So you're telling me that there's no special person in the uchiha's clan except itachi and that rogue ninja? And yet they wanted to fight the whole village.

What happened to izanagi and izanami? Izanagi is used for surprised attacks or are you still going to tell me that only those two know about it?





Danzo convinced the third hokage to order them not to interfere.


My point is simple, the plot is silly or the uchihas are useless choose.

BTW, I love naruto!

hariorh:



Obviously it's not the same age grade as the previous uchiha who set up the hidden leaf. So what's your stress. Is it not the same 12 year old itachi that trounced 3 adult members of the uchiha police force in a close combat without breaking a sweat?


This is not even an argument sef.

What you should try and find out is

Where exactly were the uchiha clan members when the obito-controlled kyuubi was busy destroying the leaf village?

And what grudge did obito have against his clan?

hariorh:



Obviously it's not the same age grade as the previous uchiha who set up the hidden leaf. So what's your stress. Is it not the same 12 year old itachi that trounced 3 adult members of the uchiha police force in a close combat without breaking a sweat?


This is not even an argument sef.

What you should try and find out is

Where exactly were the uchiha clan members when the obito-controlled kyuubi was busy destroying the leaf village?

And what grudge did obito have against his clan?

rapmike:


How many Uchihas knew about Izanagi and Izanami? Those jutsus are forbidden and they involve the use of both Uchiha and Senju genes/bloodlines, which the Uchihas did not have.

See, if it was that they faced each other and fought, you may find faults(which will be hard, considering how troublesome teleportation jutsus are), but it was a surprise attack, an ambush. What do you want to talk about Minato's flying rajin jutsu(which is a similar jutsu with Obito's teleportation jutsu)?

rapmike:


Don't mind him ooo. Itachi who was already ANBU and was well trusted in the village. You think it was for nothing? The Uchihas who could not even notice the MS Itachi had will now be able to combat him?

We really have to think things over before we start complaining of plot-holes. Am not saying that Naruto does not have plot-holes, but its wrong just to start creating plot-holes when there is none.

Csami:


Ah ha! Uchiha and senju blood line? So itachi had senju genes when he activated izanami?

Why try to justify this plot? It's easy to accept that the plot sucks or uchihas are useless.

I've got nothing on minato or obito's technique.

Csami:


Keep on telling yourself that there's no plot holes.

rapmike:


You are the one creating plot-holes, that's why I did not accept them.

Well, I was wrong about the Uchiha/Senju bloodline thing but even without that hinderance, the Uchiha did not expect the attack. I don't know if you know sh*t about military tactics but if you do, you should know that those that use surprise attacks do so in order to catch the enemies unprepared. The key thing here is unprepared. If the Uchiha were prepared and were defeated, then its another case.

Csami:


This ain't military tactics we talking about ninjas. When has surprise attacks affected the uchihas? Their sharingan can see the attacks coming and they have izanagi to control attacks that they can escape. If someone as young as itachi knows and can use both izanami and izanagi, what about his elders? Are they that useless? It must be that they are that useless.

rapmike:


So because they can see attacks coming, they can't let down their guard? If they were that useless, the village would have engaged them in war and end it swiftly. Mind you, what Itachi and Obito did was what Danzo was thinking of doing with both ANBU teams.

If you can't see any reason with all these, then let's end the discussion here.

Csami:


Gladly. I know someone else will agree with me or convince me properly.