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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Chestar5(f): 8:58am On Oct 19, 2015
Leyqute:


Yes, we won ooo . Thank God for defensive mistakes Costa & Willian

undecided, get thee behind me apostate cheesy
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Mourinholic(m): 9:13am On Oct 19, 2015
PietroRico:
Good to see the scales finally falling out of their eyes as regards hidden grin

Ramudeen did a very good job in throwing off that high horse that you guys placed him on...

Some now even have no problem with him fûcking offoff grin

Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Leyqute(m): 9:22am On Oct 19, 2015
Chestar5:


undecided, get thee behind me apostate cheesy

grin Yeye apostatetress .
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Leyqute(m): 9:26am On Oct 19, 2015
Nihilist:
I'm so confident about this game though

I'm also confident we'll beat Westham. We have Ivanovic, Baba Rahman and Ikebe Super Razad...
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Griffon(m): 9:36am On Oct 19, 2015
Mourinholic:

You don't need your wingers to defend in a counter attack system.....There is a diff between the bus and counter......
Madrid,Dortmund, Tottenham..... Those are counter attacking teams,you don't see Bale playing 'stand-in Right back',do u?

Wrong thinking mate. You need every breathing human in your team to defend in a counter-attacking setup and please Madrid aren't into counter-attacking, don't express that view off NL.

Defining the concept, It is simply a direct transition out of defense into attack. A system that is reliant on a solid defensive foundation that is meant to sit back, absorb pressure and attack the opposition when they least expect it.

Most of the time, that transition is carried out by the wingers who are also heavily involved in the defending and this is where Eden comes in.

One of the reasons our defense have been exposed beyond limits this term is because the backline isn't getting overloaded like before. The CMs and wingers failure to track back and reject space in our own half has really been one of our major undoing.

So Jose has a point.

Mourinholic:
I think Mourinho was just looking for an excuse to deal with hazard.... That guy doesn't really have a winner's mentality.... He resumes for pre season overweight every year......
The last time he criticized him,he stood up and won us the league.....
Forget all these pre season,Oscar,fabregas and Matic talks...... If Hazard has been hazard,we would be top 4 by now....

Now this is just a conjecture.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Griffon(m): 9:44am On Oct 19, 2015
Mourinholic this might help you understand the concept better.

See where the wingers are?

It's a strategy that demands tremendous individual and team discipline because you're expected to cover large amount of space in little time.

Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Mourinholic(m): 10:05am On Oct 19, 2015
Griffon:


Wrong thinking mate. You need every breathing human in your team to defend in a counter-attacking setup and please Madrid aren't into counter-attacking, don't express that view off NL.

Defining the concept, It is simply a direct transition out of defense into attack. A system that is reliant on a solid defensive foundation that is meant to sit back, absorb pressure and attack the opposition when they least expect it.

Most of the time, that transition is carried out by the wingers who are also heavily involved in the defending and this is where Eden comes in.

One of the reasons our defense have been exposed beyond limits this term is because the backline isn't getting overloaded like before. The CMs and wingers failure to track back and reject space in our own half has really been one of our major undoing.

So Jose has a point.



Now this is just a conjecture.
Madrid aren't into counter?? Lol.
There is a difference between a defensive side and a counter attacking side......
Counter attack-You press,You get the ball and immediately attack a disorganized defence.....

The reasons we have been conceding isn't solely because of the style,we played the same way last year....Hazard haven't neglected his defensive duties, the reasons we are conceding is because of a lot of reasons....Matic isn't Matic,Iva is dying, Fabregas is week.......
I know of a team that has ozil,play Ramsey as RW ,Carzola as CM and still keep clean sheets...
Kdb and Silva must have been helping Kolarov and Sagna out.....
If we can't keep clean sheets at home against Villa,Palace and Soton unless we go ultra defensive, you might as well sell Hazard and buy Bertrand back and play him as a LW......


The game against United at the bridge,will you call that a counter attacking style??
The 6-0 against Arsenal,now that's a counter attacking style
Dortmund under Klopp......Madrid under Mourinho and Ancelloti, Pochettino currently with Tottenham.......

Simeone at Madrid? Now that's defensive
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Mourinholic(m): 10:10am On Oct 19, 2015
Griffon:
Mourinholic this might help you understand the concept better.

See where the wingers are?

It's a strategy that demands tremendous individual and team discipline because you're expected to cover large amount of space in little time.
This is defensive man.....This is no counter attacking strategy........ If this is what mourinho wants every game then Bleep him
Against Barca Or Madrid,I understand......
But against Aston fucking Villa,you can't give Hazard the freedom he needs then thats rubbish.....If our defence together with Matic and Ramirez can keep their attackers quiet, we better pull out of UCL now

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Mourinholic(m): 10:48am On Oct 19, 2015
Baker and solanke both scored yesterday......
Baker with a Free kick,Solanke from the spot....
Pasalic scored a header for Monaco against Lyon on Friday.........


Baker and Solanke - 3 goals each
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donjazet(m): 11:52am On Oct 19, 2015
Oscar! grin grin

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 1:06pm On Oct 19, 2015
Fat Shîtty Rooney has two goals in the league. Pls wen ll "the league's best player" score his first of the season??
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by lalaboi(m): 3:09pm On Oct 19, 2015
AdeLaNa1:
Fat Shîtty Rooney has two goals in the league. Pls wen ll "the league's best player" score his first of the season??

When will you stop displaying your joblessness? Its mid day monday and this is what you result to? You have absolutely nothing do ? Money to make? investment to involve in?

O ma se o!

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 3:14pm On Oct 19, 2015
Mourinholic, Chelseafan1, hesben

When I came here to criticize Hidden Ikedia last season

The consensus was that I was a hater. Now that Mourinho his coach has criticised and even dropped him to the bench what do you have to say?

Is Mourinho also a hater?

WHen I tell you something, Take it as Gospel. Same thing when I told folks here, Kompany, Yaya and Terry were crap and Botank is a god to them

They first laughed it off until its now unravelling before their eyes

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 3:37pm On Oct 19, 2015
raumdeuter:
Mourinholic, Chelseafan1, hesben

When I came here to criticize Hidden Ikedia last season

The consensus was that I was a hater. Now that Mourinho his coach has criticised and even dropped him to the bench what do you have to say?

Is Mourinho also a hater?

WHen I tell you something, Take it as Gospel. Same thing when I told folks here, Kompany, Yaya and Terry were crap and Botank is a god to them

They first laughed it off until its now unravelling before their eyes

What exactly is unravelling before our eyes?

Hazard is suffering from a lack of fitness. He's clearly put a lot of weight on, doesn't seem to have that burst of pace to accelerate past defenders that he had previously.

Because I'm not exactly sure what your point is...
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Bimffo(m): 3:53pm On Oct 19, 2015
raumdeuter:
Mourinh*lic, Chelseaf*n1, he*ben

When I came here to criticize Hidden Ikedia last season

The consensus was that I was a hater. Now that Mourinho his coach has criticised and even dropped him to the bench what do you have to say?

Is Mourinho also a hater?

WHen I tell you something, Take it as Gospel. Same thing when I told folks here, Kompany, Yaya and Terry were crap and Botank is a god to them

They first laughed it off until its now unravelling before their eyes

Is this the 1st time Jose is coming Out to criticize Hazard?

What about having Douglas Costa and Hazard as your Wingers at Bayern.? cool Think about that.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 4:13pm On Oct 19, 2015
Back to the issue of Ivanovic

In football the winger, the right back and the central midfielders all work together. If everyone wants to play like the winger you attack the full back defend, both would end up being useless in the game

On the wings overloads are very important e.g Pedro is on the right when making a move, His full back should make a run down the line to give him a passing option and remove the double team effect. At that moment, on of the central midfielders tuck into the right back position to break up any counter attack

Also when defending the same happens.

In Chelsea currently the central midfielders are just too weak this season which is why the defence gets exposed more. That means the midfielders are not doing their job. That is why teams who barely had 4 shots last season are now having double digits

Actually I wrote an epistle which I had to delete so I dont veer off point
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 4:19pm On Oct 19, 2015
Nihilist:
What exactly is unravelling before our eyes?

Hazard is suffering from a lack of fitness. He's clearly put a lot of weight on, doesn't seem to have that burst of pace to accelerate past defenders that he had previously.

Because I'm not exactly sure what your point is...

WHat is unravelling is that Hazard is not as good as many thought here. Many here put him on the level of Messi and Ronaldo and others put him at just a level below those.

I said he has the talent but he cant be compared to those people. I dont think he has lost anything, He has little in his arsenal and would easily be found out. I have seen many players like that and I have seen how it usually ends

He needs a football re-education. else he would be known just as a trickster and a player with potential who never achieved anything

There are lots of them in recent football history

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Griffon(m): 4:21pm On Oct 19, 2015
Mourinholic:

Madrid aren't into counter?? Lol.
There is a difference between a defensive side and a counter attacking side......
Counter attack-You press,You get the ball and immediately attack a disorganized defence.....

The reasons we have been conceding isn't solely because of the style,we played the same way last year....Hazard haven't neglected his defensive duties, the reasons we are conceding is because of a lot of reasons....Matic isn't Matic,Iva is dying, Fabregas is week.......
I know of a team that has ozil,play Ramsey as RW ,Carzola as CM and still keep clean sheets...
Kdb and Silva must have been helping Kolarov and Sagna out.....
If we can't keep clean sheets at home against Villa,Palace and Soton unless we go ultra defensive, you might as well sell Hazard and buy Bertrand back and play him as a LW......


The game against United at the bridge,will you call that a counter attacking style??
The 6-0 against Arsenal,now that's a counter attacking style
Dortmund under Klopp......Madrid under Mourinho and Ancelloti, Pochettino currently with Tottenham.......

Simeone at Madrid? Now that's defensive

Pal which Real are you talking about? PES or EASports?

You're even shooting yourself on the foot by claiming that a team that counter-attacks have to press, that's a bold lie. When you see a team throwing too many bodies behind the ball, surrendering possession to only absorb the opposition's pressure, then switching from a defensive position to an attacking position, they are simply counter-attacking. Real don't do that.

Thus far, Real has scored 14 goals from open play, 2 from set-plays and just 1 goal from counter-attack. Is that a team into counters?

They've completed an amazing 521 short passes and 59 long passes. Is that a team into counters?

Their 88% pass success simply means they're into possession football, a message I've been trying to deliver to you since morning.

Here's what Rafa had to say on the day he got unveiled:

Our style of play will be based on playing attacking football, having possession of the ball whenever we can, attacking by moving the ball quickly, looking not to lose balance between attack and defence, showing a positive sort of aggression and adapting to a range of formations if necessary. We'll try to impose our brand of football, but we have to be able to deal with other alternatives if required. That's the difference between style of play, basically an attacking one in our case, and formation, which will be the players' position on the pitch.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 4:24pm On Oct 19, 2015
Bimffo:
Is this the 1st time Jose is coming Out to criticize Hazard?

What about having Douglas Costa and Hazard as your Wingers at Bayern.? cool Think about that.

Hazard has potential I have never refuted that, but he would need to be re-educated at Bayern and we have done that to a lot of players on the wrong path before

Players Like Boatank, Robben and even Ribery were re-educated to where they are now. All talented but they got to new height with Bayern

Hazard can do it but he needs to first forget he is a star and relearn. He is almost 25.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 4:37pm On Oct 19, 2015
Nihilist o ti daran leni. I don come report you

Mourinholic, Chelseafan1, Hesben see wetin he write about Ikedia

Nihilist:


Hazard is a burden that can be carried so long as he's providing attacking input. [size=16pt]Once that input is gone, then he is a liability[/size].

Oya unleash all your aggro on him
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 4:48pm On Oct 19, 2015
lalaboi:


When will you stop displaying your joblessness? Its mid day monday and this is what you result to? You have absolutely nothing do ? Money to make? investment to involve in?

O ma se o!
My posts are annoying u?? Fine. Just go to the nearest store in ur neighbourhood. Get a rope. Go home and tie it to ur ceiling fan. The rest is pretty straightforward.....

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by SIRcumalot: 4:57pm On Oct 19, 2015
raumdeuter:


Hazard has potential I have never refuted that, but he would need to be re-educated at Bayern and we have done that to a lot of players on the wrong path before

Players Like Boatank, Robben and even Ribery were re-educated to where they are now. All talented but they got to new height with Bayern

Hazard can do it but he needs to first forget he is a star and relearn. He is almost 25.
Would've love to see how you changed from bashing boateng to his number 1 supporter.
That is why I get hope for this hazard situation.
Reducation LMAO!
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Spy360(m): 4:57pm On Oct 19, 2015
Has Falcao scored any goal so far this season?
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 4:59pm On Oct 19, 2015
Spy360:
Has Falcao scored any goal so far this season?

Yes vs Crystal Palace
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 5:01pm On Oct 19, 2015
SIRcumalot:

Would've love to see how you changed from bashing boateng to his number 1 supporter.
That is why I get hope for this hazard situation.
Reducation LMAO!

Hazard is talented but talent alone doesnt cut it, You need to see How Robben and Ribery all changed their football approach after proper coaching
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 5:02pm On Oct 19, 2015
Spy360:
Has Falcao scored any goal so far this season?
They said Mourinho ll revive Falcao's career.....

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Spy360(m): 5:05pm On Oct 19, 2015
AdeLaNa1:
Fat Shîtty Rooney has two goals in the league. Pls wen ll "the league's best player" score his first of the season??
When thy kingdom comes...
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by SIRcumalot: 5:07pm On Oct 19, 2015
raumdeuter:


Hazard is talented but talent alone doesnt cut it, You need to see How Robben and Ribery all changed their football approach after proper coaching
I can see it already,
Say hazard joins he'll keep doing the same thing he has always done then you'll mention "reducation"
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 5:13pm On Oct 19, 2015
Spy360:
When thy kingdom comes...

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Spy360(m): 5:22pm On Oct 19, 2015
raumdeuter:

Yes vs Crystal Palace
OK at Stamford Bridge, Chelsea 1-2 C Palace.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 5:27pm On Oct 19, 2015
raumdeuter:


Hazard has potential I have never refuted that, but he would need to be re-educated at Bayern and we have done that to a lot of players on the wrong path before

Players Like Boatank, Robben and even Ribery were re-educated to where they are now. All talented but they got to new height with Bayern

Hazard can do it but he needs to first forget he is a star and relearn. He is almost 25.

I'm just about to close my laptop and go home.

I will be back for this in a few hours time
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Chelseafan1: 6:37pm On Oct 19, 2015
raumdeuter:
Nihilist o ti daran leni. I don come report you

Mourinholic, Chelseafan1, Hesben see wetin he write about Ikedia



Oya unleash all your aggro on him

Actually, Nihilist is right, when an attacker can't deliver well, create chances, create assists or score goals, he's nothing but a liability.

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