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Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 11:54pm On Oct 20, 2015 |
those legion that hate the truth(like what is in the last 2 posts), falsely accuse others of hating the truth Jessicha: those who are called Jehovahs Witnesses, but are not, and do lie, are the church of satan Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by MuttleyLaff: 8:25am On Oct 21, 2015 |
BERNIMOORE:Though I first said, suit yourself, but actuaaly hoped you'd obliged, as your feedback, possibly would have led to giving you something to really worry a bit about BERNIMOORE:I said: Why not? Is it impossible for God to pull something like this off? Yes OR No! Am still waiting for responses to this |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by MuttleyLaff: 8:25am On Oct 21, 2015 |
truthislight:I've nowhere on this thread made any insinuations about Rev 12:9 I havent yet made any reference to Rev 12:9 You brought up Rev 12:9, not me but since you want and are corralling me into Rev 12:9, would you now, please advise, what the action carried out by serpent/Satan in Genesis 3:1 is called Now the Shining One was more clever than any animal of the field that the LORD God had made. It asked the woman, "Did God actually say, 'You are not to eat from any tree of the garden'?" - Genesis 3:1 ISV Now the serpent was the most cunning of all the wild animals that the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You can't eat from any tree in the garden?" - Genesis 3:1 What is that kind of behaviour in the garden displayed by serpent/Satan called? Is that behaviour a sin or not? (i.e. as in, is it missing the mark or not?) truthislight:truthislight, please dont fall into the trap of playing eisegesis with Rev 12:9 What I would suggest, is to read the whole of Rev 12, to: #1 establish the dinstinction(s) between heaven and Heaven #2 establish what occurred in Rev 12:7 before Rev 12:9 came to pass |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by MuttleyLaff: 8:26am On Oct 21, 2015 |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by MuttleyLaff: 8:28am On Oct 21, 2015 |
johnw74:This much is certain Satan is an invisible or celestial being Another certainty is, Satan at one time would have been an angel or be an Arch-angel (i.e. a step above an angel) Satan right now, no more is God's angel. Satan is now ''his own man or own person'' Bottom line, albeit in an inverted manner, Satan is a ''man of his own invention'' - Satan found some unique thought(s) within self, stirring up the thought(s) or acting upon them was unsuccessful and led Satan to become a persona non grata, which Satan now is johnw74:All of the descriptions in that passage and the previous chapters are about the king mentioned in it That earthly Tyre king wasnt in that literal ''Eden'' but was in this Eden mentioned in ''A Lament for Tyre'' in Ezekiel 27:21-23: 21The Arabians and the princes of Kedar sent merchants to trade lambs and rams and male goats in exchange for your goods. 22The merchants of Sheba and Raamah came with all kinds of spices, jewels, and gold in exchange for your wares. 23“Haran, Canneh, EDEN, Sheba, Asshur, and Kilmad came with their merchandise, too - Ezekiel 27:21-23 The reason Ezekiel, was suggesting the King was in Eden, the garden of God, was because the King was so blessed by God, that the blessing, knowledge, might etcetera was virtually the same as like being in Eden, the garden of God The king in essence, was on par with Adam and all Adam had, before Adam's fall from grace. For what you havent known yet, is, he, the King of Tyre and not satan, is the object of discussion in those verses you quoted. Further to the bit explained above, it is the King of Tyre and NOT satan, who was compared to and/or called a cherub Satan is more of a seraphim than being a cherub or cherubim johnw74:Here, you're falling into the trap of playing eisegesis with Rev 12:9 |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by MuttleyLaff: 8:29am On Oct 21, 2015 |
johnw74:Yes Jesus Christ was an Angel and a bona fide one sent by God for that matter too johnw74:You need know the distinction between the Angel of the Lord and ordinary angels of low rank status bro johnw74:Yes, He, God the Father has called an Angel ''His Son'' johnw74:Yes, He, God the Father, has/had said to an Angel ''sit at my right hand'' |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by Earthkumy(m): 8:56am On Oct 21, 2015 |
Jozzy4:his point is very clear. the creator of heaven and Earth is indescribable or say ominimious |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 9:18am On Oct 21, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff: and yet you adressed two more posts to me after this one take your demonic lies and insults with you legion "legion" that's what your allies from anomymous call themselves you and jw are led by the same demons-legion is why you support one another demon, i am definitely not your bro, you must be deluded |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 9:49am On Oct 21, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff does not believe the Bible, and teaches the opposite off it. MuttleyLaff: Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? Heb 1:13 But to which of the Angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Muttleylaff does teach the opposite to the Bible. |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by BERNIMOORE: 2:20pm On Oct 21, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff: @ MuttleyLaff: sorry i could nt continue, but i will be back, i was too busy for now but expect my reply soon, thanks. |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by MuttleyLaff: 5:45pm On Oct 21, 2015 |
johnw74:I don't do insults, you've mistaken me for someone else You've mistaken an honest observation to be insults johnw74:The only allies I know and have are those of the body of Christ. Don't know what you're talking about there johnw74:Truth is hard to face at times, I admit it can be a bitter pill to swallow at times too. I feel you bro. johnw74: Get used to the bro endearment, johnw74: I call you bro, as we are on the same train going on journey to a common destination, The obvious fact and truth is, you just are few carriages behind that's all... No delusions |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by MuttleyLaff: 8:52pm On Oct 21, 2015 |
BERNIMOORE:Okeydokes |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by Boomark(m): 9:37pm On Oct 21, 2015 |
Emusan: I don't want to waste time on you because you started in error. May be all you know are errors. So you need to start afresh, I mean, start by receiving Christ again and desiring to know him well by studying honestly. Number 1, dishonesty always come in answering questions not in the asking. There is always an answer to every right or wrong question. It is only when one does not have answers or is confused by a question that one will start thinking a simple question is dishonest. How can? Smh for u small. Now "'Behold, I send My messenge, and he will prepare the way before Me.(Read Mt 11:10 for better understanding) And the Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple, even the Messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight (after clearing the way, the Lord..., even the messenger of the new covenant is not John). Behold, He is coming,' says the LORD of hosts" ( Malachi 3:1). (the Is what Jehovah has said) You FAILED again with your definition of Delusion, I wonder if it is what they taught you in school Besides your definition of delusion(no matter how sweet or chocolatey you want to make it look) is not the answer to my question. I asked a straightforward question. If you don't know it, say 'no idea.' |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by Boomark(m): 9:50pm On Oct 21, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff: Bros I saw your replies. This Jehovah witness johnw74 don give you plenty plenty names. Na wa o. |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by truthislight: 11:40pm On Oct 21, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff: The above statement is one of such that I find impossible to sweep under the carpet. honestly, an explanation wont be a bad idea. I mean! How can an imperfect offspring of Adam have had what Adam had? How would he have had perfection not to talk of having the prospect of eternal life that Adam was. Such statements is what we can do without. what Adam lost was great. |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 11:53pm On Oct 21, 2015 |
Boomark: "Jehovah witness johnw74", oh boy legion are completely deluded, ....of course |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 12:10am On Oct 22, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff: i can assure you once again, that i am not on the same journey and destination as those who don't believe the Bible, and teach the opposite to it. MuttleyLaff: Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? Heb 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by MuttleyLaff: 5:09am On Oct 22, 2015 |
johnw74:Yes, we know that much johnw74 Thank you God you agree and admit that the Angel of the Lord and ordinary Angels are all Angels (i.e. messengers) Now johnw74, who is the Angel of the Lord? johnw74:SMH. Wow take some deep breaths. Try having a chill pill because this your remark doesnt apply to the likes of moi who 110% believes the Bible and isnt afraid to say the Bible exactly as it is johnw74:Answer the question above, then I too will give you scripture(s) to ponder on or cut your teeth with |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by MuttleyLaff: 5:09am On Oct 22, 2015 |
Boomark:Dem plenty plenty names na occupational hazard bro. Comes with the territory, once you have a thick skin, the names will mean nothing. They're like water off a duck's back to me. It doesnt bother me |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by MuttleyLaff: 5:09am On Oct 22, 2015 |
truthislight:Ah, well spotted. Exactly. That right there, is the ''delusion of grandeur'' the King harboured about himself - the king was blessed, no doubt, but he let the blessings, wisdom, knowledge etcetera go to his head Ezekiel was narrating the king's conceitedness and God's disapproval towards the king over it. truthislight:Which, possibly, is why you've hardly got your feet wet, on matters of the sort or like, then truthislight:Get over it truthislight, the loss was inevitable, and that's the bad news part. The good news is, the loss is temporary and etcetera, anyway |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by MuttleyLaff: 5:10am On Oct 22, 2015 |
johnw74:Dont worry, its a matter of a combination of maturity and time (i.e. a future date) to later appreciate we actually are on the same train, and that you happened to have been in a middle or rear coach then johnw74:Answer the question asked earlier above about who is the Angel of the Lord then as previously said, I too will give you scripture(s) to ponder on or writhe at |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by BERNIMOORE: 9:14am On Oct 22, 2015 |
Boomark:@ boomark, how are you, the comment you quoted and replied has been removed from the original post by the Mods, as it violates a nairaland rule, so you can continue your meaninful contribution on the thread, i seem to be very busy but will be back on the thread. |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by BERNIMOORE: 11:27pm On Oct 22, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff:Can you tell us the character that is saying that 'my servant' who is also telling another character 'the servant' in the old testament isaiah 42:1 before jesus came to the earth isaiah 42:1 kjv Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. And why jesus fuffilled 'the servant' word for word according to the vision isaiah saw and recorded above in isaiah 42:1 Mathew 12:18 kjv Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles. are you saying that God is calling himself 'my servant' in anticipation before he obtain that human body and why did he not refer to ''my chosen; my beloved that shall shew judgment to the Gentiles. as God the son? but my servant? note again further assurrance from the God and father to his servant jesus before he came to the earth; isaiah 42:6 I the LORD have called you in righteousness, and will hold your hand, and will keep you, and give you for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; your response is needed here sir |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 11:35pm On Oct 22, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff: @ bold and red and underlined, you can obviously fool yourself, and your fellow non believers but you cannot fool Christians you don't believe the bible and you preach the opposite to it: MuttleyLaff: Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? Heb 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by MuttleyLaff: 7:49am On Oct 23, 2015 |
johnw74:Let God and posterity be the judge of whether or not I believe the bible and preach the opposite to it johnw74:You're becoming like a broken record, instead of answering the question, you're unnecessarily repeating yourself All these efforts of yours to squirm out of responding to the question is useless so just answer the question asked earlier above about who is the Angel of the Lord then as previously said, I too will give you 1 Like |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by MuttleyLaff: 7:50am On Oct 23, 2015 |
BERNIMOORE:God will be, whatever God will be. God will be, whatever God needs to be. God will be, whatever God wants be. God will be, whatever God can be. God will be, whatever God has to be. The character is God, who says: I AM, THAT, I AM BERNIMOORE:Of course I am. Why not? Its enough to say, God is Omni-Know-All. God is Omniscient At this juncture, am however sorry to say this, but you really are being unnecessarily fussy over nothing and being myopic about this info about the need of a body bro. You must be able to see it by now. You must be able to know it by now, be able to note that Adam (i.e. as in, Man or human beings) is a product of, necessity is the mother of invention And also note that, a need and/or problem(s) encourages creative efforts to meet the need and/or solve the problem(s) God will be anything necessary or will do anything necessary, and that's anything necessary within the rule to meet a need(s) and/or solve a problem(s) Anyway, back to the original matter. What does it matter? (i.e. ...God the son? ...my servant?) Dont your Dad/Mum/Brother/Sister/Son/Daughter/waiter/house-servant/etcetera minister to you or serve you? BERNIMOORE:Again, God will be, whatever God will be. God will be, whatever God needs to be. God will be, whatever God wants be. God will be, whatever God can be. God will be, whatever God has to be. This is a prerogative, us human beings, dont have Now allow to be appeased with this instructive ''draw-a-straight-line-between-these-two-points'' Matthew 20:26-28 26But among you it will be different. Whoever wants to be a leader among you must be your servant, 27and whoever wants to be first among you must become your slave. 28For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve others and to give his life as a ransom for many.” - Matthew 20:26-28 NLT 26But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister; 27And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant: 28Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many - Matthew 20:26-28 KJV BERNIMOORE:BERNIMOORE, in addition to all above if, and especially DIY, if God came to serve us and not be served Arent we blessed that, even as we now speak, God is still performing and serving all Sir, now, permit me to remind you of some responses you ought to have attended to, but for reasons best known to you, you've chosen to leap-frog over and leave outstanding: #1 BERNIMOORE and Jozzy4 What is your understanding of what the word God means and/or what the word, God is all about? https://www.nairaland.com/1491321/satan-default-angel-prove-it#38808844 #2 Maybe if you explain what a liberal Trinitarian is and what a liberal Trinitarian is about, I might be able to confirm whether you're correct or not that am a liberal Trinitarian https://www.nairaland.com/1491321/satan-default-angel-prove-it/4#39120364 #3 I said: Why not? Is it impossible for God to pull something like this off? Yes OR No! https://www.nairaland.com/1491321/satan-default-angel-prove-it/5#39194185 |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 11:12pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff: how you think i would want to have a discussion with you with all your bad mouthing is amazing you said the opposite to scripture and you have been avoiding it since, and you accuse me of what you are doing, squirming away from it MuttleyLaff: Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? Heb 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 11:27pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
johnw74: who is that liar and accuser that you take after Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by MuttleyLaff: 8:11am On Oct 24, 2015 |
johnw74:Non sequitur |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by MuttleyLaff: 8:11am On Oct 24, 2015 |
johnw74:All I simply need from you, is to just honestly answer an easy and straightforward question or two I am not necessarily after a discussion with you bro and it really is amazing how you're try to pull off this ''a-tete-mu-ole-ole-mu-oloko'' fast one bad mouthing allegation As said earlier, I am not into insults or bad mouthing. I am 100% sure there is no evidence or proof anyone on this thread insulting or bad mouthing you however there are ample evidences and quotes of you doing this to others johnw74:Unlike some, I know, who avoid questioning or are shy of probing, I have never had cause to worry or be uncomfortable about how I stand on the word and/or scripture, My conscience is clear, that I study to present myself to God as a proven worker, one who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. johnw74:Bro are you trying hard to be annoying or what? You'll have to try harder, if you're trying to be annoying with this ploy of yours as I have the grace to soak them all up But really, what is with you continually repeating these verses, over and over again? Dont you know the answer? Is that why you're repeating those two verses without responding to the question? Those verses have been responded to and you simply are expected to answer the question asked earlier above about them: Who is the Angel of the Lord? |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by Boomark(m): 6:06pm On Oct 24, 2015 |
johnw74: This is not the answer to the questions I asked u. Besides the true witness, witness for Jehovah. If u are not on this side then you are witnessing for the devil or may be you don't exactly understand what you are doing. |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by Boomark(m): 6:19pm On Oct 24, 2015 |
BERNIMOORE: Boomark: My brother am good and you? I wonder when the dodgers of questions...Emusan, Johnw74 and co will understand that we are here to get the truth and not to defend any denomination with what we do not understand. |
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