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Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by mubarakopeyemi(m): 10:46am On Oct 23, 2015 |
Well, I think I need answers why Yahweh forsook jesus and allow him to suffer in the hands of his enemies to the extent that he (Jesus) had to cry out in Mathew 27:46 NIV About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" (which means "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?). which brings out the following questions 1- If God was Jesus who came in Human flesh to the world, was God crying to himself asking him why he himself forsook himself? And why would God come and suffer himself in Human form before he could just forgive since he's the mightiest. Christians say Jesus is God who came down in a Humanly form, I.e he paired himself and had to come and suffer himself on earth just to forgive sins of men. Does it even sound Godly? That God had to come down in human form and get a merciless beating from those he created? ![]() ![]() 2- if Jesus is then not God and he's son of God, shall we say God intentionally left his son for suffer since the way Jesus cried there was that of disappointment and sorrow which depicts that he had expected God to save him rather than forsake him by asking him; "why have you forsaken me" Is it really necesary for God to make his son suffer and die in the hands of his enemy just because he want to forgive. was the death of Jesus planned or Jesus was unfortunate because if it was planned and he knew he shall die for the sins of men he won't have to ask why God has forsaken him. which means he expects that he'd be saved but he wasn't by God. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by ad84ada(m): 11:09am On Oct 23, 2015 |
At that moment our sins were all on him. God detest sin. Bro look for Jesus and thank Him for the rest of your life. I will do same too Cheers 2 Likes |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by iliyande(m): 11:25am On Oct 23, 2015 |
In the opening lines of the Gospel book written by John the apostle, we read: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made.... And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by Nobody: 11:26am On Oct 23, 2015 |
ad84ada: Don't tell me you meant that ![]() |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by elderhimself(m): 11:33am On Oct 23, 2015 |
God did not forsake Jesus, everything was just playing according to plan. Jesus was 100% human at that time which means he felt all that pain. Every human is afraid of pain and so was jesus. If God the father had intervened, then his mission wldnt hav been completed. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by hahn(m): 11:40am On Oct 23, 2015 |
That awkward moment when Jesus realised god's incompetence ![]() 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by mubarakopeyemi(m): 12:00pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
ad84ada: does this answer my questions? ![]() |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by mubarakopeyemi(m): 12:01pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
iliyande: Your point exactly?? coz you're just telling me stories here. |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by malvisguy212: 12:02pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
mubarakopeyemi:When the Old Testament prophet Isaiah predicted the suffering of Messiah he said, “But the Lord was pleased to crush Him, putting Him to grief” (53:10). Why? Why would God the Father be pleased to kill His only begotten Son? The verse goes on to answer that question, “If He would render Himself as a guilt offering.” God was pleased with the obedience of Jesus and the price He willingly paid for the guilt of our sin. Isn't it wonderful that God first love us that why He send His son to pay the guilt of our sin? Unlike Allah who hate unbelievers. Can you provide a single verse in the quran were it say allah love both sinners and believers? |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by mubarakopeyemi(m): 12:07pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
elderhimself: so Jesus is Human and not God? ![]() well I have gotten a point from you that Jesus is Human and not God! why do your brothers then call him God? 2 Likes |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by malvisguy212: 12:09pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
ifeness: hahn:atheists,muslims and satanic have ONE meeting point. Hardly you see this atheists criticized islam because they are being control by the same spirit. I create a thread title "did muhammed curse muslims" all atheists run away from the thread, are you guys afraid of the muslims? 2 Likes |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by iliyande(m): 12:11pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
mubarakopeyemi: to you as a muslim, it is a story, but to those who are in Christ, it make sense to them one think a notice with muslims is that, they can argue to death for the sake of muhammedu. |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by malvisguy212: 12:12pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
mubarakopeyemi:yes, Jesus is FULLY human and FULLY God. |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by mubarakopeyemi(m): 12:20pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
malvisguy212: in anyway here have you justify why God still has to suffer his son just to simply forgive. he should be self sufficient enough to look away from the sins. which means God has to take something like a sacrifice before he can forgive and Jesus was the sacrifice yeah? ![]() But is Jesus not God shey? ![]() back to your delusional last statement Allah the Gracious, the Merciful. Quran 40:1-3 1. Ha-Mim. 2. The revelation of the Book (this Qur'an) is from Allah the All-Mighty, the All-Knower. 3. The Forgiver of sin, the Acceptor of repentance, the Severe in punishment, the Bestower (of favours), La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), to Him is the final return. Allah will forgive disbelievers if the repent and desist from evil. Allah's legacy and evil people or disbelievers or wrongdoers are not the same. evil and good aint the same. Good definitely will not like evil. Not a convincing argument. You know. Allah (swt) extends his love to everyone, and only those who cast aside Gods love are those who God does not love. So rather, God loves everyone, except those who decide to dismiss or reject his love. Satan would be the perfect example. God extended his love for satan when he was in heaven with the angels, but when Satan challenged and disobeyed God did God not love Satan. Another quick point I had to make is that even the bible shows that God did not love everyone. Romans 9:13, Psalms 5, etc... are good examples showing God hating not only the sin but the sinners. So here is a question for you, Did Yahweh Love EVERYONE? Romans 9:13 Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated." Psalm 5 1 Listen to my words, Lord, consider my lament. 2 Hear my cry for help, my King and my God, for to you I pray. 3 In the morning, Lord, you hear my voice; in the morning I lay my requests before you and wait expectantly. 4 For you are not a God who is pleased with wickedness; with you, evil people are not welcome. 5 The arrogant cannot stand in your presence. You hate all who do wrong; 6 you destroy those who tell lies. The bloodthirsty and deceitful you, Lord, detest. 7 But I, by your great love, can come into your house; in reverence I bow down toward your holy temple. 8 Lead me, Lord, in your righteousness because of my enemies— make your way straight before me. 9 Not a word from their mouth can be trusted; their heart is filled with malice. Their throat is an open grave; with their tongues they tell lies. 10 Declare them guilty, O God! let their intrigues be their downfall. Banish them for their many sins, for they have rebelled against you. Work on that. Thanks. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by mubarakopeyemi(m): 12:23pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
malvisguy212: ![]() Your Jesus who's God had to receive several kobokos from those he created. God was beaten Blue black and even nailed on the cross?? ![]() you keep showing your blindness gratefully without you even knowing it. How can Jesus be God, and son of Himself (God) and also a Human being. hmmmmm. Lwkmd. rilwayne001 demmzy15 come see ur pal ![]() 3 Likes |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by mubarakopeyemi(m): 12:25pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
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Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by hahn(m): 12:27pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
malvisguy212: What's the link to the thread? Just so you know, whatever I have against Christianity applies to all religions and "beliefs" that are against the use of common sense. The only reason why it would seem like we are all up in Christians business is because Islam and Christianity are the major religions in Nigeria and the Islamic section is locked by a code. In all fairness, Christians are more modern than Muslims. After all, only Christians can bind the devil with an ipad ![]() 6 Likes |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by mubarakopeyemi(m): 12:33pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
iliyande: Logic and Reason. A simple gift of life. Make use of them and see beyond Delusions. 1 Like |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by iliyande(m): 12:48pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
mubarakopeyemi: you may not like what you here for now, but thank God you have heard. |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by malvisguy212: 12:52pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
mubarakopeyemi:you will NEVER understand this teaching , even muhammed did not have a teachable spirit. 1 Like |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by mubarakopeyemi(m): 1:03pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Why do God have to come down as man and take beating thereby making himself a sacrifice to himself before he can just forgive. Can't he forgive without someone suffering for it ![]() Stop fibbing ![]() 3 Likes |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by mubarakopeyemi(m): 1:04pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
iliyande: ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by iliyande(m): 1:07pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
mubarakopeyemi: read my first post with better understanding without muhamadia mind of thinking |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by mubarakopeyemi(m): 1:14pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
iliyande: if that's your solution still.... take a rest. Thanks. 1 Like |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by iliyande(m): 1:15pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
mubarakopeyemi: 2:65 Allah transforms disobedient Jews into apes “And well you know there were those among you [Jews] that transgressed the Sabbath, and We said to them, ‘Be you apes, miserably slinking!’ 2:89 Unbelievers, particularly Jews, are accursed “When there came to them [Jews] a Book from Allah, confirming what was with them — and they aforetimes prayed for victory over the unbelievers — when there came to them that they recognized, they disbelieved in it; and the curse of Allah is on the unbelievers. 2:191-193 Fight and kill unbelievers until “religion is Allah’s,” i.e. Islamic law rules all societies “And slay them wherever you come upon them, and expel them from where they expelled you; persecution is more grievous than slaying. But fight them not by the Holy Mosque until they should fight you there; then, if they fight you, slay them — such is the recompense of unbelievers, but if they give over, surely Allah is All-forgiving, All-compassionate. Fight them, till there is no persecution and the religion is Allah’s; then if they give over, there shall be no enmity save for evildoers.” 3:28 Don’t take unbelievers as friends and allies, unless it is for “fear of them,” i.e. deceptively for protection of oneself or of Islam “Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends, rather than the believers — for whoso does that belongs not to Allah in anything — unless you have a fear of them. Allah warns you that You beware of Him, and unto Allah is the homecoming.” 3:110-112 Muslims are the best of people, Jews have earned Allah’s anger |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by iliyande(m): 1:15pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
3:151 Allah will cast terror into the unbelievers’ hearts “We will cast into the hearts of the unbelievers terror, for that they have associated with Allah that for which He sent down never authority; their lodging shall be the Fire; evil is the lodging of the evildoers.” 3:181 Jews are bound for hell “Allah has heard the saying of those who said, ‘Surely Allah is poor, and we are rich.’ We shall write down what they have said, and their slaying the Prophets without right, and We shall say, ‘Taste the chastisement of the burning.’” 4:34 Beat disobedient women |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by iliyande(m): 1:15pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
4:160 Jews do evil, turn people away from Allah “And for the evildoing of those of Jewry, We have forbidden them certain good things that were permitted to them, and for their barring from Allah’s way many…” 5:33 Crucify or amputate the hands and feet of those who make war against Allah and Muhammad |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by iliyande(m): 1:18pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
“Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those who are with him are hard against the unbelievers, merciful one to another.” 62:6 Jews should long for death “Say: ‘You of Jewry, if you assert that you are the friends of Allah, apart from other men, then do you long for death, if you speak truly.’” |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by iliyande(m): 1:21pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
Who is mohammed, as you call him a prophet, please what prophecy qualified him as a prophet. who is allah? |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by mubarakopeyemi(m): 1:23pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
iliyande: blind goat. ![]() I have not the time now to Start with this love part. Let's finish the one at hand and we can see to that later. 1 Like |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by mubarakopeyemi(m): 1:27pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
iliyande: Allah is God, and Muhammed is his messenger. now can u provide a solution to the matter at hand or u still want to digress from it? 1 Like |
Re: Why Did God Forsake Jesus And Leave Him to Suffer. by iliyande(m): 1:29pm On Oct 23, 2015 |
![]() mubarakopeyemi: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() as your mind is already destined for argument you will not change except by His grace. take care brother. remember mohammed is never a prophet. he is just like hitler and co 1 Like 1 Share |
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