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Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by BERNIMOORE: 9:21pm On Oct 24, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff:one by one let me start by this very opening post, Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? Malachi 3:6: “For I am the Lord, I do not change.” Romans 3:4: “Indeed, let God be true but every man a liar.” sir, can God be a liar, or even lie, when he(in an event eventually pulled on a human skin) and as such under a perceived limited circumstancies of human limitation (so to say) that is because he is said to be limited by human nature or command...he eventually lie/lied/ became a liar, i need a simple answer to harmonise these below as truly what you really mean; that God will be,whatever God will be. (i.e a liar) in an event that he eventually pulled on a human skin God will be, whatever God needs to be.(i.e a liar) in an event that he eventually pulled on a human skin God will be, whatever God wants be.(i.e a liar) in an event that he eventually pulled on a human skin God will be, whatever God can be.(i.e a liar) in an event that he eventually pulled on a human skin God will be, whatever God has to be.(i.e a liar) in an event that he eventually pulled on a human skin My defination of a liar is already alluded to in Numbers 23:19 that is ''God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it'' |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by MuttleyLaff: 10:00pm On Oct 24, 2015 |
BERNIMOORE: ![]() Be careful in responding back Stop being petty Why would God need to, want to or have to lie bro? Whats all this straw man approach about?. What you driving at, hmm? Do you really follow and understood the context of that verse (i.e. Numbers 23:19) Did you at all grasp what both ''God is not a man'' and ''neither the son of man'' means? Did you notice there is a sharp distinction in ''the son of man'' and ''Son of man''? |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by BERNIMOORE: 10:27pm On Oct 24, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff:one thing i dont like is to stylishly withdraw statements or play down on statements expecially when answers are needed: you actually said this below in affirmation without giving conditions; God will be,whatever God will be. God will be, whatever God needs to be. God will be, whatever God wants be. God will be, whatever God can be. God will be, whatever God has to be. then i only help you to apply the human nature 'not just as something to be pulled on and off' but what bible says about it in Romans 3:4: “Indeed, let God be true but every man a liar.” should be taken seriously and not be sidelined in its applications when needed most hence God will be,whatever God will be. (i.e a liar) in an event that he eventually pulled on a human skin God will be, whatever God needs to be.(i.e a liar) in an event that he eventually pulled on a human skin God will be, whatever God wants be.(i.e a liar) in an event that he eventually pulled on a human skin God will be, whatever God can be[b].(i.e a liar[/b]) in an event that he eventually pulled on a human skin God will be, whatever God has to be.(i.e a liar) in an event that he eventually pulled on a human skin this is not a question of 'why would God need to lie,okay! so can you answer pls? |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by BERNIMOORE: 10:42pm On Oct 24, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff: MuttleyLaff: maybe you need to also know that the issue here is not about the distinction in ''the son of man'' and ''Son of man''(diversion from topic ) i think But the distinction between the nature of God who is the father whose nature cannot lie(not need to lie or whatever) allegedly said to transform to a nature whom every person in that nature is by defaulf 'a liar' and 'a sinner' Romans 3:23 "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (so as to suit a pre-conceived idea that suggest that God the father was the same person in human nature 'a liar by default' or need to be a liar, (by your analogy) read again Romans 3:4: “Indeed, let God be true but every man a liar.” |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by MuttleyLaff: 11:08pm On Oct 24, 2015 |
BERNIMOORE:SMH, I want to know who's being stylishly withdrawing statements or playing down on statements You dont want answers, you are nitpicking BERNIMOORE:Yes and I stand by it You ought to know, it was said within the nature and character of God BERNIMOORE:That is help which is unneccesary Do you know the origin of Romans 3:4? Do you know where Paul pulled that remark from? Do you know the context and circumstances behind that remark originally said by King David? Trust me, I am watching you and watching every move you make or about to make Now, for comprehension sake and to save you a lot of bother, this is how Numbers 23:19 should be or can be read God is not a ''human being'' that He will lie, neither a ''human offspring'' that He will change His mind - that verse is just confirming that God is not of an Adam material or make-up |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 11:19pm On Oct 24, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff does not believe the Bible, and teaches the opposite off it. MuttleyLaff: Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? Heb 1:13 But to which of the Angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Muttleylaff does teach the opposite to the Bible. His quote opposing Bible verses, and in fact saying the exact opposite to the Bible verses, has been posted many times, and he still cannot admit it. |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 11:21pm On Oct 24, 2015 |
God the Word-the Lord Jesus Christ, created everything that was created Joh 1:1 ....and the Word was God. Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. God is the creator Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. [size=14pt]An Angel has never created anything[/size] |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by MuttleyLaff: 11:25pm On Oct 24, 2015 |
BERNIMOORE:Hmm, I see you're going to make a right meal of this. Can you please reload and reflect on the below remark (i.e. earlier statement) as it seems it flew over your head note that Adam (i.e. as in, Man or human beings) is a product of, necessity is the mother of invention And also note that, a need and/or problem(s) encourages creative efforts to meet the need and/or solve the problem(s) God will be anything necessary or will do anything necessary, and that's anything necessary within the rule to meet a need(s) and/or solve a problem(s) For our sake, God made Him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God. Now grab the following ''ogbona feli-feli, bi amala to jina''. God the Son, did not come from Adam God the Son is the second or last Adam (i.e. He is a another or different template) God the Son, is not a human being offspring God the Son, hasnt inherited any of Adam's nature God had a human body but no sin was found in Him God the Son committed no sin, and no lie or deceit was found in His mouth SMH. Why? why? why? Why are taking after our bro friend now You're quoting bible verses out of context and/or misappropriating bible verses such as Romans 3:23 etcetera like our bro friend does |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by BERNIMOORE: 12:25am On Oct 25, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff: Then why is jesus alledgedly reffered to as 'God the Son' is ignorant of what his father God knows if truly he is equal with his father, take note of the verse below; Mark 13:32 “But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father . |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by MuttleyLaff: 5:42am On Oct 25, 2015 |
BERNIMOORE:You're making an indefensible assumption to say God the Son, is not one, as God the Father This I know, is what you're implying and/or trying hard to drive at The Jews too couldnt take it in or understand it too, so because of it, in John 10:31, picked up stones again to stone Him. Dont be like that or be like them bro, picking up stones, to stone God the Son Note that, God the Father ≥ or >= God the Son and that, God the Son ≤ or <= God the Father With the above arithmetic operators in mind, study John 10:30, John 17:21 and Deuteronomy 6:4 to let the pennies drop You definitely are ignorant of Philippians 2:5-8, so it isn't surprising, you asking question in such manner and trying hard to make a phantom point out of Mark 13:32 5You must have the same attitude that Christ Jesus had. 6Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to. 7Instead, he gave up his divine privileges, he took the humble position of a slave and was born as a human being. When he appeared in human form, 8he humbled himself in obedience to God - Philippians 2:5-8 NLT 5In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; 7rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. 8And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself - Philippians 2:5-8 NIV Remember, God will be, whatever God will be. God will be, whatever God needs to be. God will be, whatever God wants be. God will be, whatever God can be. God will be, whatever God has to be. and that this is a prerogative, us human beings, dont have? Well, God the Son, when and/or where necessary gave up priviledges such like this one Giving up this particular priviledge, is, as usual, in line with subjecting to God the Father's will and/or to the decision of God the Father who sent Him It's a matter of jurisdiction bro (i.e. the Father has the final say in that matter, not the Son) |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by BERNIMOORE: 7:23am On Oct 25, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff: It's a matter of jurisdiction bro (i.e. the Father has the final say in that matter, not the Son)you have not answered the question sir! you only dance and dance and dance around the issue and gave answer to a wrong question, for clarity sake here is the question again which is about 'having a knowledge of a particular future day and hour' which ''(1) no one knows, (2) not even the angels in heaven, nor (3)the Son, As you can see now its not a jurisdictional issue as you are trying to force on this issue but issue of a, God the son alledgedly jesus whom you said was 100 percent God even in human skin, which means that his knowledge remains 100 percent intact thus: b, Alledged God the Son, is not a human being offspring c, Alledged God the Son, hasnt inherited any of Adam's nature yet, you are yet to tell us the reason why only 'the father was the only entity that posses the knowledge of the day and hour' if jesus posses the knowledge he will tell us except you want to tell us that jesus lied. so here is the unanswered question again; Then why is Jesus alledgedly reffered to as 'God the Son' is ignorant of what his father God knows if truly he is equal with his father, and 100 per cent God in human's skin with no brain-short-circuit but full of same knowledge as the father, Mark 13:32 “But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father 1 Like |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by truthislight: 9:31am On Oct 25, 2015 |
@Muttleylaff You don't give answers to questions when directly given to you, what you do is play around the question and hope that the issue has been glossed over and you accuse the questioner of "nit picking". The above attititude does not encouraged assimilation and knowledge sharing. If you imagined that you can blind fold human, can God be blind folded? Stop dancing around questions and learn to allow the Bible to speak. That is, let all those plenty words of yours that cannot give life nor change the color of human hair be quoting directly from the word of God. You allow your playing with words which you do a lot to override seriousness on serious matters, which should not be, but priority should rather be given to the Word of God and not on your own words. Read your post here again and see which you projected the most: God's word or your own words. Prov. 3:5-7 Trust in Jehovahe with all your heart, And do not rely on your own understanding. 6 In all your ways take notice of him, And he will make your paths straight. 7 Do not become wise in your own eyes. Fear Jehovah and turn away from bad. ................................................................. |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by MuttleyLaff: 9:36am On Oct 25, 2015 |
BERNIMOORE:I have answered you sir! BERNIMOORE:You say I only dance and dance and dance around... sir, because I am not dancing to your tunes Who pays the piper calls the tune. Since you dont pay me, you cant call tunes and expect to see me dance to any of them. So far, I have been dancing, am dancing and will continue always to dance to God's tune. BERNIMOORE:I generously gave answer(s) to the original question this despite thinking that too much information can be bad to the health. I gave extra with the background and surrounding information Recall you were told, to note that, God the Father ≥ God the Son and that, God the Son ≤ God the Father? Remember the above arithmetic operators and about studying John 10:30, John 17:21 and Deuteronomy 6:4 to let the pennies drop? Also remember I said you are ignorant of Philippians 2:5-8? (i.e. ignorant particularly of Philippians 2:6) What more do you want? Blood, out of stone? BERNIMOORE:It is a jurisdictional issue! I have told you in many & different ways less one but you want someone to put the dots between two points, so you can draw the straight line. SMH. Sir, you're bright enough, not to be spoon fed. Without me having to put in the dots for you to trace through, just draw the frigging straight line sir! BERNIMOORE:This is a matter of not knowing how to stop worrying about something not fully understood I will take you back to Philippians 2:6, the verse unappreciated and undervalued by you. In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you - John 14:2 You do realise, the gloves have always been on? There you go, John 14:2 up there, is another verse that ought to bring this into perspective as in, why, apart from the giving up priviledges evidence in Philippians 2:6, God the Son doesnt know and why the Father is the only entity that possess the knowledge of the day and hour' Be careful handling John 14:2, as you will drop it because its flaming hot If after all these vital pieces of information, you still are unable to get matter together and wrapped up then I suggest you humbly just let it go bro |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by truthislight: 10:02am On Oct 25, 2015 |
Have a look at some words that you believe can address questions, they are words that are not found in the Bible. eg: =, >, <, "God the son". You have employed such none biblical words above as a tool to address a Bible based question, you best know the reason why. Is it for lack of sufficient words from the Bible I don't know, but you know. Why you expect us to take such kind of none biblical words you pulled from (you know where) Your head.... to the bank, beats my imagination. don't you think, if you want us to get Gods blessings, that we will be safer relying just on the word of God and not on those your "dancing tools"? how and why should we accept = <? Just because Muttleylaff said so? |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by MuttleyLaff: 10:36am On Oct 25, 2015 |
truthislight:You, my dear sir, know that you havent been fair with that allegation Please sir, tell, how many of my questions of mine, has the original poster and/or our common bro friend answered? I'll save you answering that. None! truthislight:The attitude of BERNIMOORE - the original poster, our common bro friend and possibly you, is that of a closed mindset The three of you, have a fixed mental attitude or disposition which prevents you from being receptive to information that otherwise gels or supports your stance You three and maybe et al, knowingly or unknowingly are ideologues truthislight:Ask the orignal poster that, not me truthislight: ![]() SMH. Which is better, wolfing down the whole cake or cut the cake up into pieces before eating Have you ever seen the birthday boy or girl wolf down the whole birthday cake? No, the cake is sliced up in bits, then passed around to be eaten This way, there's no danger of choking, smearing the face with cake etcetera You see, life, as it is, is complex already and enough, without needing complicating it further so the reason why certain basics and background info, need to be understood and mastered before delving into exploring and/or learning more complex things As a matter of fact, life is more of, knowing when and where to, crawl, stand up, stoop down, walk or run, but Sir, you, original poster and maybe et al are trying to run before even having ever to crawl and at the rate you all want me to set off and go about it, efrebor, efrebor, you all go wound ooo I had and have to slow down the pace, break things up, point out these missed, point out things not before noticed. throw some lights on shadowy matters, beam light on hidden subjects, bring about an appreciation Jewish idioms and/or familiarity to Jewish customs etcetera truthislight:This is answered immediately above but thank God you've noticed the uphill task and donkey work effort I had to put in Well, I take great delight in it because God is not unrighteous to forget the work and labour of love truthislight:SMH. You need getting understanding... as it seems you're unfamiliar with Proverbs 4:7 and Proverbs 25:2 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting, get understanding - Proverbs 4:7 It is the glory of God that hides the word, and the glory of the King that seeks for the word. - Proverbs 25:2 Aramaic version It is God's privilege to conceal things and the king's privilege to discover them - Proverbs 25:2 NLT |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by MuttleyLaff: 10:37am On Oct 25, 2015 |
truthislight:Bro, there are a lot of words, symbols, signs etcetera not in the Bible but are however, all true and are facts truthislight:Remember the cake picture above with explanations? truthislight:I get the ''...you pulled from (you know where)'' and thank you for sparing me the blushes truthislight:Trust me, nothing beats standing on the word Even with all the ''dancing tools'' in the world, I have the gumption to stand on the word and Word truthislight:No, not because Muttleylaff said so. Please dont spread any harboured ignorance and try not to encourage hating on Muttleylaff. Besides the truth and fact is that, we all, learn something new every day, so please boldly accept the ''≤'' status because the Bible says so |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by truthislight: 12:07pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
@Muttleylaff It is when you "take notice of Yahweh in all your ways" that is when one can be said to have "acquired wisdom" from the standpoint of Yahweh. Again, On your statement ton Satan fall before Adam fall is an issue we have not addressed yet due to your not answering questions directly, but prefer glossing over issues. I showed Rev. 12:9 to you and ask you if that Satan being casted out took place before Adam sinned, did you gave an Answer, no,you glossed over the question. Such has been your lot on issues here. are you will to take a stand on your statement now? I doubt. but still, if you wish, go ahead and provide verification to your statement on Satan haven fallen "from time immemorial". Turn a new leaf for once. Give a direct answer to question. |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by MuttleyLaff: 1:03pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
truthislight:Non-sequitur, as you dont know what wisdom is and/or what wisdom is about truthislight:You're are not yet ready for direct answer(s) because as I earlier said, you're knowingly or unknowingly an ideologue I do think, you're punching above your weight, that's the reason why you're struggling to keep up, and are bemused to the point of thinking, the labour of love is glossing over the question If you're currently choking and throwing up on pieces of information what do you think will happen when/if an whole information or direct answer is slung at you? The body will spasm violently from trying to shift the heavy or weighty information loads without help (i.e. without ''dancing about'' - a phrase you loaned from BERNIMOORE, the feet would buckle) Permit me to jolt your memory, from: https://www.nairaland.com/1491321/satan-default-angel-prove-it/5#39194204 I've nowhere on this thread made any insinuations about Rev 12:9 I havent yet made any reference to Rev 12:9 You brought up Rev 12:9, not me but since you want and are corralling me into Rev 12:9, would you now, please advise, what the action carried out by serpent/Satan in Genesis 3:1 is called Now the Shining One was more clever than any animal of the field that the LORD God had made. It asked the woman, "Did God actually say, 'You are not to eat from any tree of the garden'?" - Genesis 3:1 ISV Now the serpent was the most cunning of all the wild animals that the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You can't eat from any tree in the garden?" - Genesis 3:1 What is that kind of behaviour in the garden displayed by serpent/Satan called? Is that behaviour a sin or not? (i.e. as in, is it missing the mark or not? truthislight, please dont fall into the trap of playing eisegesis with Rev 12:9 What I would suggest, is to read the whole of Rev 12, to: #1 establish the dinstinction(s) between heaven and Heaven #2 establish what occurred in Rev 12:7 before Rev 12:9 came to pass |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by BERNIMOORE: 3:11pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
post coded (B*1) MuttleyLaff:now lets read them; Believers as part of the alledged 'oneness of (God,jesus, Believers + Holy spirit) John 17:21 = Trinity? could not be sustained John 10:30 (NKJV) 30 I and My Father are one.” lets see the same use of oneness below John 17:21 (NKJV) ''that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they(believers) also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me''. (Note that this verse imply that all believers are also part of the alledged 'oneness of (God,jesus and Believers + Holy spirit)= Trinity? ![]() ![]() ![]() Deuteronomy 6:4 (NKJV) “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one! MuttleyLaff:Really? ok lets see; Philippians 2:6 a and b; 6a, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, B*(1a) question; Mutleylaff, kindly Tell us 'in Affirmation' the Form/Nature of God in your reply, But in the Absence of that we shall consider Gods form/nature that he exist or known to be existing according to the Bible lets start with Nature of God God's supernatural Nature=jesus supernatural Nature = Angels supernatural Nature that is 'Existing in Flaming Fire' Form/Nature of God Hebrews 12:29 for our "God is a consuming fire." Deuteronomy 4:24 24 For the Lord your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God Form/Nature of jesus 2 Thessalonians 1:7 This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels Form/Nature of Angels Psalms 104:4 “Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:” lucifer himself is a cherub 'in flaming fire' Does Lucifer consider it 'robbery to be equal with God? Philippians 2:6 a and b; 6a, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, Isaiah 14: 14. “For thou hast said in thine heart, … I will be like the most High.” |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by MuttleyLaff: 3:23pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
BERNIMOORE:SMH. Remember am watching you, so you ought to be mindful how you tread, as I am seeing you already slip up there a few times to many. SMH you're living in a fool's paradise with all those grins and waving trinity at the wrong person BERNIMOORE:Good to know you believe that the LORD is one BERNIMOORE:I proffer Jeremiah 32:27 and Hebrew 1:3, ''Behold, I am the Lord, the God of all flesh; is anything too difficult for Me?'' - Jeremiah 32:27 His Son is the reflection of God's glory and the exact likeness of God's being. He holds everything together through his powerful words. After he had cleansed people from their sins, he received the highest position, the one next to the Father in heaven - Hebrew 1:3 BERNIMOORE:SMH at these immediate above. I am a patient person, so I am comfortable with just watching and waiting for you to finish and exhaust yourself. BERNIMOORE:You're so incorrigible, keep telling you that Isaiah 14: 14 and the other Ezekiel verses are about an earthly king and not about any celestial being. Let's hear you, who else apart from satan has been translated to be Lucifer? Do you know? Yes or No. |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by BERNIMOORE: 4:34pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
post (B*2) MuttleyLaff: It seems that you knew what jesus himself honestly deny having a knowledge about!(that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son) or you Mutleylaff wrongly calling jesus a Liar that he actually knew 'the day and hour' But was held back with respect to jurisdictional respect, and its unfair, very unfair to call jesus a liar. Again we read the verse and its clearly about (1)Not possesing a knowledge about a 'particular day and hour at all' (2) when the knowledge about a 'particular day and hour' was'nt there at all, we cannot be talking of jesus exercising respect in jurisdiction over NOTHING that he posses knowledge about.. let me worry jare dont care about my wory but to answer the question Mark 13:32 “But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father MuttleyLaff:- John 14:2 'jesus admit having knowledge of something' but it has no bearing or connected in anywaywhatsoever with Mark 13:32 where he outrightly deny knowledge and even ignorant like humans and angels on the issue of day and hour. May be you should feed me with spoon now or draw a straight line for me now ? ![]() Let me help you with a case where jesus exercised 'respect for jurisdiction to God his father' because he did not deny not having knowledge of a situation but caution and restrict himself to respect Gods Authority in apportioning a position Matthew 20:23 (NKJV) 23 So He said to them, “You will indeed drink My cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with; but to sit on My right hand and on My left is not Mine to give, but it is for those for whom it is prepared by My Father.” Question B*(2a): Can you come out to connect how these two verses(John 14:2,Mark 13:32) relate to the issue of not possesing knowledge of Day and hour? MuttleyLaff:i am surprised that you are still talking of limitations 'in knowledge again' when you have already said that 'jesus was 100percent God That is(God is Omni-Know-All. God is Omniscient) in human skin! with a resounding yes! https://www.nairaland.com/1491321/satan-default-angel-prove-it/4 Question B*(2b) kindly in your own words tell us priviledges evidence in Philippians 2:6 that jesus gave-up! |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by BERNIMOORE: 4:56pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
post (C*1) MuttleyLaff:Really! i think this is a childish way of evading question, i did not mention ezekiel and i am making a case for lucifer who was a cherub who also 'does not see equality with God as a robbery; read again if you have big lenses put them on now ![]() Again isaiah 14:12-14 Actually was talking About Lucifer ''fallen from heaven'' not from Earth 12 “How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer,son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations! 13 For you have said in your heart: ‘I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north; 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High. Let's hear you, who else apart from satan has been translated to be Lucifer?dont divert our topic to evade the point established here that 'Lucifer from heaven, did not see it as a roberry to be equal with God! you can create another thread for that topic(who else apart from satan has been translated to be Lucifer), so dont derail my thread with this as the point is already made |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by dolphinheart(m): 5:03pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
truthislight: I could not have replied better! Ive found out that the use of words is verry important when discussing scriptural issues, hence why I asked about "god the son " statement that has been coming up in the thread. But I was accused of "nit picking". |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by BERNIMOORE: 5:12pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
post (C*1a) MuttleyLaff:Of course the way believers/desciples are one part of the oneness, just exacly the way jesus rendered the phrase ''Father, are in Me, and I in You they also may be one in Us John 17:21 (NKJV) ''that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they (believers) also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me'' |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by BERNIMOORE: 5:47pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
Post (C*2) MuttleyLaff:Again you fail to tell us the very Nature/form of God, you actually ran-out of the idea ![]() yes we knew that God of all flesh, Nothing is too difficult for Him? is this an answer to my question that you should tell us the Form/Nature of God? and very funny you will say that you have supllied an answer which does NOT tell us the Nature of God! are you saying God is anything? ![]() ![]() Hebrew 1:3,yes! lets see That Nature of God called Gods glory; same with that of Angels=flaming Fire Exodus 24:17 And the sight of the glory of the LORD was like devouring fire on the top of the mount in the eyes of the children of Israel. psalm104:4 Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire: Even humans too share the 'image and Glory' of God 1 Corinthians 11:7 A man ought not to cover his head, since he(man) is the image and glory of God SMH at these immediate above. |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by MuttleyLaff: 8:24pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
BERNIMOORE:Please, please, please, get a grip of yourself. Please respect yourself by posting with decorum and stop twisting what I wrote Listen, if you abide by these few guidelines, you're on the road of gradually taking off the straitjacket and it won't be long before you really begin to understand mysteries of the Bible - remember the Holy Ghost 3-piece-suit & shoes picture I earlier shared on this thread #1) As a first port of call, always remember that God came to earth as a Jew #2) and as such all Jesus' preachings and teachings were done in Aramaic #3) that Jesus' preachings, teachings, story telling, parables etcetera were done from Jewish perspective #4) these preachings, teachings, story telling, parables etcetera also often are based on Jewish idioms, customs, practices etcetera #5) which is why it is vital to be familiar with them, recognise this and have in the back of the mind when reading, trying to understand or interpret the Bible #6) Though more, the former will for now do BERNIMOORE:Yes, and that is what the jurisdiction means or is all about. Knowing the ''particular day and hour'' is not within God the Son's mandate Who sent who? Will the Messenger know more than the Sender? Of course not BERNIMOORE:I have to care because you've just proven over and over again, especially with your recent posts, that, you truly are punching above your weight BERNIMOORE:It does. You dont know how to draw the line between John 14:2 and Mark 13:32 to see the bearing and connection, that's all BERNIMOORE:I might, if you promise you wouldnt dribble or drool over my hand BERNIMOORE:"mansions", this is a very interesting one. It actually has to do with a Jewish custom prevalent in just before, around and maybe a bit after Jesus' time, I am not sure if the practice is still done in Israel or still now continued with present Jews The groom is expected to prepare or build an extension in his father's estate, the extension (i.e. mansion) serves to accomodate the intended bride. The wedding does not take place until when the groom's father is satisfied with the progress and work done by the groom in preparing the extension or building the "mansion" It is not for the son to know the date fixed for the wedding. The father decides That is the correlation between John 14:2 and Mark 13:32 and there you have it, you've just now have learnt something new BERNIMOORE:You dont understand or dont know what ''≤'' means? Is that it? You will however need to apologise for deliberating misquoting me though. Whats your game? What are you up to with this twisting-what-I-originally-responded-to cheating? Reproduce where and what I did a ''a resounding yes!'' to Tell the truth and let the devil be a liar You ought and should be surprised because you've just said a porkie You asked: ''So when Jesus Died for Good three days, even at Death in those three days he is still God! Yes or No!'' to which, I replied ''Make that a resounding Yes!'' https://www.nairaland.com/1491321/satan-default-angel-prove-it/4#39121195 BERNIMOORE:This has already been addressed and answered to, above in Question B*(2a) Sons dont decide the day of wedding, the Father does. It is the Father's prerogative |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by MuttleyLaff: 8:25pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
BERNIMOORE:Yes, really. It's either that or you havent bothered following and reading all posts on ''your thread'' ''Your thread'' as you like to call it People learn from first-hand mistakes or from mistakes others have done BERNIMOORE:You think I didnt know, you did not mention Ezekiel? Somemone else, previously had, at which that notion was responded to and the bad idea corrected (i.e. it was Tjayjosh, but you too were quoted in my response to him) So, my dear bro, it actually was a mature way of stopping you in your track and preventing you from going down the proverbial rabbit hole BERNIMOORE:Everything in this remark (i.e. especially lucifer & cherub) is totally wrong and misappropiated If you have big lenses put them on now and catch up with what you missed below here: https://www.nairaland.com/1491321/satan-default-angel-prove-it/3#39113830 BERNIMOORE:This has previously been amply responded to. Both passages in Isaiah and Ezekiel are referring to & about earthly and human kings Look above for a more recent response on it. Pftt. SMH BERNIMOORE:The truth(s) got you nervous and fidgeting ? ROTBL, bro doesnt know that "Lucifer" (i.e. morning star) in Isaiah 14:12 isnt the Devil |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by MuttleyLaff: 8:25pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
dolphinheart:abeggy make we hear word jaare. Wetin? dolphinheart:Maybe you asked because due to legalism you were in a mood of bellicose jingoism and aiming to try to deny that Jesus is God? dolphinheart:If remarks of yours like: ''Not "god the son", that sentence does not exist in the scriptures'' over a tiny detail, isnt nitpicking, I wonder you you'll accept as nitpicking Afterall, isnt Jesus, God? Equal to God? Refer to below for more of your details https://www.nairaland.com/1491321/satan-default-angel-prove-it/3#39115805 |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by MuttleyLaff: 8:25pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
BERNIMOORE:No, not so fast Waston It means, there is one God. There is one Lord. The Lord is one You might have one family, however, there always is one BENIMOORE. Capisce! Comprende? |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by MuttleyLaff: 8:26pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
BERNIMOORE:I didnt run out of the idea or steam so wipe the smirk off your face If by now, you dont know the nature, features, character or qualities of God then I am praying with you, so God, via the Spirit of Truth, help you out. BERNIMOORE:Sorry, I can't take this and the above seriously. Dont worry, if not now or today, in the future, you will know willingly or by force of necessity the nature/form of God BERNIMOORE:Here we go again, understandably you ask sophomoric questions but I do feel like am walking on eggshells, filling in your information gaps BERNIMOORE:Please try to be serious, sincere and honest. Dont do eisegesis with Hebrew 1:3 and 1 Corinthians 11:7 Is the import in Hebrew 1:3, the same as that, in 1 Corinthians 11:7? No! Jesus is implied to be the exact nature of God in Hebrew 1:3 does 1 Corinthians 11:7 imply that humans too share the exact nature of God? No! Are humans the exact representation of God? The very character of God? The exact imprint of His nature? The express image of His Person? The exact expression of His nature? No, no, no, no and No, plus bonus extra of, give it a rest! |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by BERNIMOORE: 10:52pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff:Respect? i ![]() Listen, if you abide by these few guidelines,oh, you even turned to be an instructor? good for you! and it won't be long before you really begin to understand mysteries of the Bibleehn hen? aah! i cant wait ooo! - remember the Holy Ghost 3-piece-suit & shoes picture I earlier shared on this threadIt doesnt hold a drop of water because 'the concept is a self made concortion put together like ewedu and gbegiri plus Amala combination just meant to divert attention away from topic, while the concept itself is not found in and alien to the bible o ma seoo ![]() which God? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() #2) and as such all Jesus' preachings and teachings were done in AramaicE ku inawo Aramaic, aah, epelee! who ask you that information ![]() ehn hen, diversionary niyen i dont need that info, but pele funra re. so scriptures are not inpired again or God Breath again 2tim 3:16,but are based on Jewish idioms, customs, practices etcetera,Abi, maa soo lo jare ![]() #5) which is why it is vital to be familiar with them, recognise this and have in the back of the mind when reading, trying to understand or interpret the Bibleeee! okaare omo yi! ![]() ![]() #6) Though more, the former will for now doAh more now, are you tired? o ti su e ![]() ![]() Yes, and that is what the jurisdiction means or is all about.you lost this one! as you are trapped to supply further scriptural evidence to butress your point, you have often relied on your own straw analogy all this while! I have to care because you've just proven over and over again, especially with your recent posts, that, you truly are punching above your weightWow, ok let yourself loose on me, i mean show yourself, show me your swaga and let me see your superior weight, not this directionless posts that you are just spewing here! It does. You dont know how to draw the line between John 14:2 and Mark 13:32 to see the bearing and connection, that's alllets see how you will draw the line by using what is contained in the sacred scriptures I might, if you promise you wouldnt dribble or drool over my handyou are a disapointment even to jesus himself! where is this concortion/story you spew written in the whole holy scriptures?Nowhere! you see your life? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() You dont understand or dont know what ''≤'' means? Is that it?Again is that word (''≤'') 'less or equal to' a biblical or sacred scriptural word or an imposed concept? You will however need to apologise for deliberating misquoting me though.oh i apologise, are you okay with that! Whats your game? What are you up to with this twisting-what-I-originally-responded-to cheating?Are you denying that you said that even in Humans form that jesus 100 per cer omnicient God, it seems that you are hard pressed to prove it you now resort to trying to withdraw your statements. You asked: ''So when Jesus Died for Good three days, even at Death in those three days he is still God! Yes or No!''did jesus died as a spirit or as a human? you are hard pressed now to tell us the limitations in phil 2:7 you remembered that you have already commited your statements. This has already been addressed and answered to, above in Question B*(2a)you failed Badly, and i have to say that your analogy is unscriptural and unacceptable without justifiable basis, sorry about ![]() |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by truthislight: 10:55pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
@Muttleylaff This is not politics section, but rather, it is called RELIGIOUS SECTION for a reason. Here you don't speak to Fancy and desire a clap. Here you show evidence for all you say. What we should be debating here in religious section should be Scriptural application and meanings and not Hullabaloo. Enjoy! Peace. |
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