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Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by BERNIMOORE: 11:15pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
[quote author=MuttleyLaff post=39356354]Yes, really. It's either that or you havent bothered following and reading all posts on ''your thread''i actually followed, but thought i was nt concerned since it was not directed at my post! People learn from first-hand mistakes or from mistakes others have donethe only mistake i knew you did was that you actually went through the back to source for imformation that thwarted bibles concept recorded in isaiah about lucifer You think I didnt know, you did not mention Ezekiel?Again i dont think i need that Advice, sorry pelle ehn! Everything in this remark (i.e. especially lucifer & cherub) is totally wrong and misappropiatedthe concortion you spew up there when i read it was too childish, in a bid to show your inteligence you went off the rail totally! ah o ga o! again you need to flush out some virus off your system, its not helping at all! you just create your own story which nobody is interested ![]() |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by BERNIMOORE: 11:23pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff:again you are forcing another concept on a plain and direct bible verse ''that they all may be one, as You, [b]Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they (believers) also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me''[/b]. is this difficult to comprehend? ![]() |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by BERNIMOORE: 11:31pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff:what is the Nature /form of God? spirit? supernatural or flaming fire, Angels too share that, you are hard pressed to provide answer that special nature that angels dont share with God! you cannot say what you dont know, so relax ![]() ![]() |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by BERNIMOORE: 11:34pm On Oct 25, 2015 |
@Muttleylaff, please more and more of your response will be duly replied Asap, thanks |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by MuttleyLaff: 7:11am On Oct 26, 2015 |
BERNIMOORE:When one twists another's post, to get a leg up and gain some advantage, then that shows lack of respect BERNIMOORE:Things I do for Kingdom sake BERNIMOORE:Dont waste the faux enthusiasm on me BERNIMOORE:It isnt alien, not a self made concortion but it is reality. It like so many other concepts not found in the Bible is true BERNIMOORE:You want dolphinheart on my case, with another, there isnt anything like God the Son in the Bible BERNIMOORE:It was volunteered without being under duress BERNIMOORE:Actually you do need the info, so that next you're studying the Bible, you'll remember to do it with the mindset of a Jew and not from an English, Naija etcetera perspective or background BERNIMOORE:Whether you like or not like to hear it, 2 Tim 3:16 doesnt take away the fact and truth that all scriptures are based on Jewish idioms, customs, practices etcetera (i.e. scripture is not are based on English/Naija idioms, customs, practices etcetera) BERNIMOORE:Keep the hollow praise to yourself BERNIMOORE:Sarcasm doesnt get one anywhere BERNIMOORE:It's only the unlearned that doesnt know that in Jewish ancient customs or Jewish biblical times, it is when the groom’s father decides that the mansion is completed to his satisfaction that he sends his son to go and bring his new bride home BERNIMOORE:You arent ready, you're, as it is, already swamped with information you're not used to and/or overwhelmed with information you're unable to properly handle BERNIMOORE:Already done BERNIMOORE:My dear fella, if you have a better explanation on John 14:2, then put up, by kindly proffering an exegesis (i.e. what did it mean?) and also a hermeneutics (i.e. what does it mean for us?) on it, if not and/or until then, forever shut up on the matter BERNIMOORE:The substance is in the Bible so if's biblical or sacred scriptural word It is not an imposed concept, if you like take it as an epexegesis BERNIMOORE:Apology accepted, just dont fall into the habit of twisting other people's post in order to just score cheap points BERNIMOORE:''Ti ogun eni, ba dani loju, a ma fi gba ori''. I stand by all my posts 100% Jesus is 100% Omniscient, less knowing the time and hour of the day, as previously explained BERNIMOORE:It has been answered immediately above and elsewhere BERNIMOORE:Nothing to worry about. As you like it. |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by MuttleyLaff: 7:11am On Oct 26, 2015 |
truthislight:Up the ante, instead of RELIGIOUS, think RELATIONSHIP truthislight:It will be shallow-mindedness, to believe I speak or post here to receive ovation(s) truthislight:Where and when applicable, I provide biblical verses and/or disclose when it is a Jewish custom, tradition, practice or idiom truthislight:That's exactly why I keep asking what so-so and so means or what so-so and is all about. How can one apply things they dont know what it means, things they dont understand or things they dont know what it's all about truthislight:You're doing the hullabaloo, trying to shut me up out of nervousness and fear of not used to hearing these things truthislight:Ironically, you arent enjoying. Peace |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by MuttleyLaff: 7:12am On Oct 26, 2015 |
BERNIMOORE:Well you ought to have been concerned because both the Isaiah's (i.e. yours) and Ezekiel's (i.e. Tjayjosh's) verses were respectively referring to the Babylonian and Tyre kings and not Satan BERNIMOORE:Here we go again, dont be paranoid. Why would I need to go through the back to source for information, when the Bible categorically and bluntly mentions these two kings (i.e. Babylonian and Tyre) as the persons in the narration? BERNIMOORE:Thanks for the display of gratitude BERNIMOORE:Just admit you didnt know Lucifer is a double entendre Morning star, which is what Lucifer is translated from, is used for Jesus and persons deemed evil or self-conceited and really hasnt anything to do with Satan or the Devil BERNIMOORE:The seed has been sown, it's now a matter of maturity and time before the interest kicks in |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by MuttleyLaff: 7:13am On Oct 26, 2015 |
BERNIMOORE:It doesnt take away the truth and fact that there is one God The crux of your problem is, you cant see that, it is possible for God to be in more than one place simultaneously (i.e. God be in more than one place, at the same time) BERNIMOORE:You and your sophomoric questions Without you trying to twist these or take it out of context: Angels dont create, angels dont know all, angels arent God, no angels died for man |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by MuttleyLaff: 7:14am On Oct 26, 2015 |
BERNIMOORE:Dont bother because so far, you've impressively and repeatedly missed so many points on the thread. You're ignorant of or clueless about most of the simplest information given on the thread and so this has now removed the pleasure you previously had, of me addressing or responding you back. Sayonara. |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by truthislight: 6:23pm On Oct 26, 2015 |
Actually, this should have red: truthislight: Yeah! romance section instead of "political" section is best for what has been happening thus far. |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by plappville(f): 3:01pm On Oct 29, 2015 |
truthislight: Ma broda, longest time. I can see you still active in NL. Greetings. ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by plappville(f): 3:05pm On Oct 29, 2015 |
Another interesting topic. Just reading. ... ![]() |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by truthislight: 10:18pm On Oct 29, 2015 |
plappville: Plap Plap. Good day. Good to hear from you. long time. Yea! I still do show up on NL. Thanks. Peace. |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by Anas09: 2:12pm On Oct 30, 2015 |
@Muttleylaff. I have read from the beginning of this thread till now. I must say, you know your Onions. You Really have studies to show urself aproved to God, a workman... But I lost you at the point u said, Jesus was an Angel? The Jw imply that because Angels are messangers and God sent Jesus, that makes them all Angels. No bro. You, right now is God's messanger, by virtue of this gospel you are propagating, but that doesn't make U an angel(celestial). Although, I can give you an angelic attributes depending on the role u play in my life. E.g. A security guard in a bank, saved me from walking into the trap of armed rubbers cascading as Taxi driver and passengers. (ONE CHANCE). He recognised them, I didn't. He was my angel that day. You get me? You are far more vast in this than I, but I know u understand what am saying. @JohnW. you are my guy too, pls let it go. Go on with what you have been doing, you also kept me on this thread. The JW in the house. Bernimoore Jessics Truthislife Dolphinheart. etc. I just have one question. Why do u guys ignore clear scriptures abt God not calling any angel any day his Son, but rather pull out suggestive scriptures that implies and surggests that Jesus was an Angel? Johnw has been posting those scriptures from the beginning of this thread, but none of you have touched it, why? Instead of trying to convince us that what Heb 1:5-8, 13, is saying is not actually what it means, you guys just total ignore it. What I see you guys doing here is, 'Post Hoc, 'Ergo Proper Hoc'. By saying, 'since Angels are messangers, and God sent Jesus with a message that invariably makes Jesus an Angel'. With all the glaring scriptures that says otherwise. This point was where I fell out from JW. I wasn't really one anywahere, I just was at the treshhold, when I discovered they have an ish with the deity, Godhead, and divinity of Christ. I turned back from the door. @Truthislife, you kept saying let scriptures lead us, but you ignore the ones staring you in the face. What with u guys? |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by dolphinheart(m): 4:25pm On Oct 30, 2015 |
Anas09: Can you tell us who an angel is? Are angels messengers? Are they spirit creatures? Does jesus fufill the answers to the two questions mentioned above.? @JohnW. you are my guy too, pls let it go. Go on with what you have been doing, you also kept me on this thread.Do you support his quotes on 1Tim 3:16 and john 5:7 ? The JW in the house.Which scripture did god say clearly that he did not call any angel any day his son . Johnw has been posting those scriptures from the beginning of this thread, but none of you have touched it, why?I did ask him some questions on the scriptures he quoted, but he refuses to answer. Maybe ill ask you to help me ask him if you are interested. Instead of trying to convince us that what Heb 1:5-8, 13, is saying is not actually what it means, you guys just total ignore it.They taught you using the scriptures that jesus is not almighty God, that he is still subjected to the one who gave him such authority. They taught you with the scriptures that jesus inherited a name, which means that at a time, he did not have that name but was giving to him by someone who has the right to give him such name. They taught you with the scriptures that jesus was set by his god above his companions and was Anointed by his god. Yet you decide to follow the philosophy of men and the man made doctrines that existed with pagans. You decided to understand and explain the scriptures in a way that supports your views . Jesus has said it , the only true God is the father. He sent jesus, jesus prays to him and tells us his life is by him, that the father is greater than him!. That when he even ascended to meet the father,his God, he was told to sit by his right side and not on the same throne god sits. I choose to Worship the God that sits on that throne, the one true God, the father, the god of jesus, the sovereign lord, The one who loves me so much to send someone to come give me an opportunity to gain life everlasting. [quote ]@Truthislife, you kept saying let scriptures lead us, but you ignore the ones staring you in the face. What with u guys?[/quote] 1 Like |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 11:26pm On Oct 30, 2015 |
dolphinheart: confusion always with you I did ask him some questions on the scriptures he quoted, but he refuses to answer. Maybe ill ask you to help me ask him if you are interested. when i discuss truth i don't discuss with those who call themselves Jehovahs Witnesses, but are not, and do lie, and are the church of satan. |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 11:48pm On Oct 30, 2015 |
dolphinheart: i havn't commented about those verses here but post the quotes and show yourself not to be lying yet again I did ask him some questions on the scriptures he quoted, but he refuses to answer. Maybe ill ask you to help me ask him if you are interested. you never did but post the quotes and show yourself not to be lying yet again and again |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 12:06am On Oct 31, 2015 |
Anas09: i don't agree with that about MuttleyLaff, he said that God called an angel His son, that God said to an Angel sit at my right hand going against verses i posted and saying the exact opposite Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? Heb 1:13 But to which of the Angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? and in his last post he agreed with my view: "Angels dont create, angels dont know all, angels arent God, no angels died for man" he changes what he says all over the place |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 12:58am On Oct 31, 2015 |
Dan 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, [size=14pt]one of[/size] the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia. Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is [size=14pt]the head of all[/size] principality and power: Michael is [size=14pt]one of[/size] the chief Princes Jesus Christ is [size=14pt]the head of all[/size] principality and power |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 1:50am On Oct 31, 2015 |
God the Word-the Lord Jesus Christ, created everything that was created Joh 1:1 ....and the Word was God. Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. God is the creator Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. [size=14pt]An Angel has never created anything[/size] |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by dolphinheart(m): 1:56pm On Oct 31, 2015 |
johnw74:The question is not for you, it was for Anas09 and I'm still waiting for a reply. The question is not confusing neither is it meant to create confusion, unless if you both feel that answering it might show the difference in ur understandings. when i discuss truth i don't discuss with those who call themselvesEveryone already knows your stand and what you say when you re about to be shown how wrong you are. 2 Likes |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by Jozzy4: 5:12pm On Oct 31, 2015 |
Let the scripture speak for themselves , 1 the 4:16 clearly reveal that the voice of the arch - angel will raise the dead in Christ , Will Jesus Rent the voice of an arch - angel and contradict his statement that the voice of Jesus himself will raise the dead ? The logical conclusion is that the voice is that of CHRIST . johnw74:None , because The Father regard Jesus as his " Angel " Mal 3:1 , and not a son . Thus the Fathers proclamation was made when Jesus was a man " this is my son" - matt 3:17 after his baptism.
Its A Question, Nd The Answer Is : His firstborn son and chief angelos,after proving faithful (heb 1:3b 2 Likes |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 11:28pm On Oct 31, 2015 |
of course i'm not going to reply to jw twisting of scripture just to say dolphin didn't refute his lying because he can not when jw speak a lie they are speaking naturally and twisting the scriptures goes hand in hand with lying 1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Jesus comes with all His Angels, that includes the archangel mentioned above who shouts the message of Jesus Christ's coming those who twist the scriptures say that because Jesus comes with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, means that Jesus is an archangel by that same reasoning, it could be said that because Jesus comes with the trumpet of God, that Jesus is a trumpet Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by MuttleyLaff: 11:52pm On Oct 31, 2015 |
johnw74:I am not going to bother uttering much, except say: You should by now know the distinction between angel(s) and Angel of the Lord and for the umpteenth timel ask you again: Now who is the Angel of the Lord? |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 11:57pm On Oct 31, 2015 |
one of the problems with sectarians is that they are not opened minded they believe what they are taught, and they keep reinforcing their beliefs with their changed bible, and with the twisting of scriptures that they have been taught, instead of believing the plain truth. jw teach that the Father created Michael and lucifer and then Michael created everything else however the Bible shows us that the Word created everything, that includes Michael and lucifer who are Angels |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 12:04am On Nov 01, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff: duh, you must think that is a hard question for the umpteenth time i don't get into discussions with jw and the likes why don't you tell the people if you think you have something to say then i might show you where you are wrong i don't mind doing that |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 12:09am On Nov 01, 2015 |
MuttleyLaff: while i'm at it, why were you saying: God did say to an Angel thou art my Son etc and then say: an Angel never created anything etc why all the contradictions? |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 3:36am On Nov 01, 2015 |
dolphinheart: not you or any so called jw has shown me to be wrong except in your own deluded minds, believing your changed and twisted scriptures yes, everyone knows i say Jesus Christ is God the Word, and other Christians know also and agree with me and yes, everyone knows i say jesus Christ was bodily resurrected etc etc etc, and other Christians know also and agree with me however antichrists, those who call themselves Jehovahs Witnesses, but are not, and do lie, and are the church of satan say Jesus Christ is Michael the archangel, even though God the Word, come Jesus Christ created all the angels once there was nothing at all except God, and God the Word created all there is, Angels, the Earth, people and so on. |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 4:01am On Nov 01, 2015 |
Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, [size=14pt]O God[/size], is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. Heb 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: Heb 1:11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; Heb 1:12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail. Heb 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Heb 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? these verses are clearly showing that Jesus Christ is not, and never has been an Angel and Father God called Jesus Christ "God", just like John 1:1 called the Word "God" but so called jw has been blinded through unbelief. |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by MuttleyLaff: 6:29am On Nov 01, 2015 |
johnw74:It certainly, from all symptoms seems to be a hard question for you, which up on to now and tomorrow, you're yet to boldly, confidently and unashamedly answer You've been avoiding answering that unterrifying question like its Ebola Looks like you're beginninng to realise and know something but fearing to admit and/or acknowledge it hence it becoming, a hard question for you to unashamedly respond to johnw74:We know about the ''I don't get into discussions with jw and the likes'' Get-Out-of-Jail-Free card Thats what they all say and use, especially, when caught stucked in uncomfortable, unmanoeuvrable and tight corner(s) johnw74: ![]() Pull the other leg - it's got bells on How are you intending to go about showing, when: #1 You havent answered the question, and #2 I am yet to show my hand You've got to bite the bullet, be brave, answer the question and put the devil to shame: Who is the Angel of God? |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by MuttleyLaff: 6:29am On Nov 01, 2015 |
BERNIMOORE:You and your sophomoric questions Without you trying to twist these or take it out of context: Angels dont create, angels dont know all, angels arent God, no angels died for man johnw74:The above is my original post on the angel(s) matter, in response to BERNIMOORE's Of course, first letter of a starting word in a sentence is capitalised (i.e. Angels) Context is king... I am consistent, there arent contradictions in my post Skilled readers use context to construct meaning from words, to understand as they are read but you obviously careless about context, and so instead, prefer to malign, fabricate and twist On top, you, still are yet to spot the distinction between angel(s) and Angel of the Lord in the context |
Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel by johnw74: 8:34am On Nov 01, 2015 |
^^^ above two posts what a load of bull mutt talks also these are contradictions: MuttleyLaff: muttleyLaff: in the first instance, the Bible verse you say the opposite too, is speaking off Jesus Christ you implied Jesus is an Angel and then in the second instance you say: "Angels don't create" well as the Word-Jesus Christ created everything He cannot be an Angel and that's just one instance where you contradict yourself again what a load of bull you talk |
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