OLAADEGBU:


If you really used your brain you will copy that £1,000 would be useless to you because their will be nowhere to spend it and you would have died of thirst. Do you now see why the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom?

I would have bought water from the total amount and be left with change. How can you not get that?

I am happy that the fear of God gives me that sense of responsibility and accountability before the Final Judge. Since all absolute morality comes from God what is the basis of your morality since you feel you are not accountable to anyone anywhere? What stops you from being a rapist when the condition is "right"?

I have a sense of responsibility bro. I don't need god to tell me what is right or wrong. I ain't that stupid

orisa37:
Nothing is an athiest and so it is hopeless. Something is a Thiest. A Thiest has Hope to inherit something that he is at the beginning.

Your "hope" is nothing but wishful thinking. Just like a kid will expect sweets for completing his chores

Please cut off the play of words. I said The Thiest has "Something" but not "nothing". That Something may be Dreams which are concrete but not wishful. Play on Something, some stuffs. Be sure you don't go in circle, 360 degrees, for that too is a word of God and is God..

hahn:


I would have bought water from the total amount and be left with change. How can you not get that?

How and where will you buy the water knowing that you were crawling in an arid desert?

hahn:


I have a sense of responsibility bro. I don't need god to tell me what is right or wrong. I ain't that stupid

You got the scenario I gave wrong how much more of your life's journey?

OLAADEGBU:
Since all absolute morality comes from God what is the basis of your morality since you feel you are not accountable to anyone anywhere? What stops you from being a rapist when the condition is "right"?

So you feel people can't be good without religion or God? smh...don't be such a slowpoke, condemning atheists to be void of morals and theists to be automatically morally righteous . From the top, our corrupt politicians to the common masses, the market women cheating us with prices and measurements, they are all claiming to be Christians. They will all pay their tithes from the money they got through dishonest means. So my dear, being immoral is not because God exists or not, it's a personal thing that both theists and atheists can be guilty of. How many true Christians do we really have? Going to church doesn't make you a Christian as much as standing in a garage doesn't make you a car. You have no right to question the morals of a person simply because he/ she is an atheist.

JustTara:


So you feel people can't be good without religion or God? smh...don't be such a slowpoke, condemning atheists to be void of morals and theists to be automatically morally righteous . From the top, our corrupt politicians to the common masses, the market women cheating us with prices and measurements, they are all claiming to be Christians. They will all pay their tithes from the money they got through dishonest means. So my dear, being immoral is not because God exists or not, it's a personal thing that both theists and atheists can be guilty of. How many true Christians do we really have? Going to church doesn't make you a Christian as much as standing in a garage doesn't make you a car. You have no right to question the morals of a person simply because he/ she is an atheist.

All our morality comes from God who has the absolute morality. Ours is stained by sin but the difference between the theist and atheist is that the atheist is not consistent with their beliefs. Christians can account for the laws of morality, nature and logic but the atheists cannot even though they use these laws.

OLAADEGBU:


All our morality comes from God who has the absolute morality. Ours is stained by sin but the difference between the theist and atheist is that the atheist is not consistent with their beliefs. Christians can account for the laws of morality, nature and logic but the atheists cannot even though they use these laws.

You just proved that theists are only moral because it is a law, which means if it turns out there's no God tomorrow, they'll all turn bad right?. Atheists choose to be moral because they have the knowledge of what's right and what's wrong, and they have the choice of indoctrinating it into their lifestyle as they want. They are consistent because it is in built not read from a book, not a law they have to abide by. Remember, the atheist does not believe in the existence of God, so your claim that all our morality comes from God holds no ground as far as it concerns them. There have been religions before Christianity started, and they all taught the same “ don't steal, don't tell lies etcetera"

JustTara:


You just proved that theists are only moral because it is a law, which means if it turns out there's no God tomorrow, they'll all turn bad right?. Atheists choose to be moral because they have the knowledge of what's right and what's wrong, and they have the choice of indoctrinating it into their lifestyle as they want. They are consistent because it is in built not read from a book, not a law they have to abide by. Remember, the atheist does not believe in the existence of God, so your claim that all our morality comes from God holds no ground as far as it concerns them. There have been religions before Christianity started, and they all taught the same “ don't steal, don't tell lies etcetera"

Whether you believe in the existence of God or not one thing you cannot deny are the laws of morality, the laws of nature and the laws of logic. The laws of morality only make sense in the Christian worldview where God created human beings in His own image and thus has the bonafide right to set the law for our moral behaviour.

OLAADEGBU:


Whether you believe in the existence of God or not one thing you cannot deny are the laws of morality, the laws of nature and the laws of logic. The laws of morality only make sense in the Christian worldview where God created human beings in His own image and thus has the bonafide right to set the law for our moral behaviour.

unfortunately, there are so many theories to the beginning of life. A Christian will say God created all things....to the rest of the world, including people of other religions besides Christianity, there are so many other theories.

OLAADEGBU:


How and where will you buy the water knowing that you were crawling in an arid desert?

In your post you asked: If you were offered a handful of £1,000 notes or a glass of cool water, which would you choose?

Read my answer again

[s]You got the scenario I gave wrong how much more of your life's journey? [/s]

hahn:


In your post you asked: If you were offered a handful of £1,000 notes or a glass of cool water, which would you choose?

Read my answer again

[s]You got the scenario I gave wrong how much more of your life's journey? [/s]

Here is the scenario I gave:

Your priorities change according to your circumstances. Let me explain this by giving you another scenario. If you were offered a handful of £1,000 notes or a glass of cool water, which would you choose? The £1,000 notes, of course. Anyone in his or her right mind would make that choice. However, if you were crawling through a desert, dying of thirst, and you were offered a glass of water or a handful of £1,000 notes, which would you take? The water, of course, anyone in his or her right mind would. That's called "circumstantial priorities."

How do you read?

OLAADEGBU:


Here is the scenario I gave:



How do you read?

You can't even begin to imagine.

Let's get a clearer picture then. Is it the same person offering me the glass of water that is offering me the cash?

hahn:


You can't even begin to imagine.

Let's get a clearer picture then. Is it the same person offering me the glass of water that is offering me the cash?

Don't worry about the person making the offer, what will be your greatest need at that point in time? Cash or water?

OLAADEGBU:


Don't worry about the person making the offer, what will be your greatest need at that point in time? Cash or water?

That doesn't answer my question

hahn:


That doesn't answer my question

Let's assume its the same person(s).

OLAADEGBU:


Let's assume its the same person(s).

Fine. I'll take the GBP1k and buy the water from him for GBP100. That's a fair price for a glass of water, don't you think?

hahn:


Fine. I'll take the GBP1k and buy the water from him for GBP100. That's a fair price for a glass of water, don't you think?

A person in their right mind will choose to take the water because he is dying of thirst and that there is nowhere to buy water in the arid scotching desert. Getting your priorities wrong can cost you your life.

I think as homo-sapiens, we are all intelligent or possess near-limitless potential for perfection. If we are to believe or assume that we are made in God's image, should we not by corollary, expect God to be above the immaturity we evoke as his creation.. yet it seems even God is not above man's plague of the illogical and irresponsible, the puerile and the vain. why would an all-purpose GOD bet on the life of a man for no apparent reason, bicker and bitchh like a fussy prom queen and in sick fashion murder and bath in blood of innocent lives because he wants attention.. yet we call him Alpha and Omega.. we substitute stupidity for wisdom and yet we wonder why the world is like this... oooh. i forget.. it was foretold.

Dekatron:
This is RIDICULOUS




I hope you know an atheist doesn't reject God because he isn't scared, its because he doesn't exist.



How can I fear something I dnt believe??



When coming home after exams, I almost had an accident. People shouted JESUS!! GOD!! BLA BLA BLA BLA. . . . I was scared, by my instinct told me to cuddle up. . . . . In this case, I didnt BULGE. I was calm and calculating. So, I'd rather stay put that just SHOUT TO SOMETHING UNEXISTING





FU CK GOD!!

Hmmmmm........,
'When d wheels (prefer to) go contrary 2 d will/dictates of the steering'
#stalemate!!!

Ebony7:


Hmmmmm........,
'When d wheels (prefer to) go contrary 2 d will/dictates of the steering'
#stalemate!!!

Atheists are like wheels having a mind of their own.

OLAADEGBU:


What would you do if you were in that plane?

Walk to the cockpit to confirm that both pilot and co-pilot seats are empty. Reach under my seat for my parachute. Grab my hand luggage. Ask if anyone knows how to fly a plane. Radio for help, A million and one things to do before panic sets in....

JustTara:


unfortunately, there are so many theories to the beginning of life. A Christian will say God created all things....to the rest of the world, including people of other religions besides Christianity, there are so many other theories.

There may be many other theories but there is one truth. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. This can be proved scientifically.

voltron:


I think as homo-sapiens, we are all intelligent or possess near-limitless potential for perfection.

That should give you the clue that you were created by an Intelligent Being. The Bible claims that God is Omniscient, He is infinitely intelligent and you can recognise this by seeing His handiwork - intelligent human beings.

voltron:


If we are to believe or assume that we are made in God's image, should we not by corollary, expect God to be above the immaturity we evoke as his creation.. yet it seems even God is not above man's plague of the illogical and irresponsible, the puerile and the vain.

You are right by assuming God created us in His own image but that image has been marred because of sin. God also created the laws of logic that we fallen beings use. Why do you believe the laws of logic will be the same tomorrow as they do today, since we are not beyond time and have not experienced the future? Belief. If you atheists say that you don't believe you are not being consistent with your worldview.

voltron:


why would an all-purpose GOD bet on the life of a man for no apparent reason, bicker and bitchh like a fussy prom queen and in sick fashion murder and bath in blood of innocent lives because he wants attention.. yet we call him Alpha and Omega.. we substitute stupidity for wisdom and yet we wonder why the world is like this... oooh. i forget.. it was foretold.

God upholds the entire universe by His Power. He is beyond time and has promised to uphold the future as He has the past. Don't bring God down to your level.

soopamom:


Walk to the cockpit to confirm that both pilot and co-pilot seats are empty. Reach under my seat for my parachute. Grab my hand luggage. Ask if anyone knows how to fly a plane. Radio for help, A million and one things to do before panic sets in....

The parachute should be your priority in that circumstance, no?

OLAADEGBU:


There may be many other theories but there is one truth. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. This can be proved scientifically.

To a Christian, that is the truth. To the rest, theirs is the truth. Life is per head.

JustTara:


To a Christian, that is the truth. To the rest, theirs is the truth. Life is per head.

Why not put the so called "truths" or theories to scientific test and let's see what truth will stand?

OLAADEGBU:


Why not put the so called "truths" or theories to scientific test and let's see what truth will stand?

You guys sort that out within yourselves. Why rely on science? whatever happened to Faith being enough? because that's what I've always been told over and over again.

@OLAADEGBU.. I definitely lack the material to go on past 2 posts on this issue but here is what I can offer

OLAADEGBU:

That should give you the clue that you were created by an Intelligent Being. The Bible claims that God is Omniscient, He is infinitely intelligent and you can recognize this by seeing His handiwork - intelligent human beings.

Indeed we are an excellent specimen from the surface to the infinitely tiny cells in our being. I don't have an atheist answer to that or better yet, I don't agree with the atheist answer. I don't agree with Religion's answer either (see why below)

OLAADEGBU:

You are right by assuming God created us in His own image but that image has been marred because of sin. God also created the laws of logic that we fallen beings use. Why do you believe the laws of logic will be the same tomorrow as they do today, since we are not beyond time and have not experienced the future? Belief. If you atheists say that you don't believe you are not being consistent with your worldview.

It goes beyond question that design of the living (and dead) world around and within us is ordered; the issue here is whether such order arose from "the" intelligent being you call GOD or something far less puerile. Thank Jesus you put in laws of logic into the equation, not that it impacts on the end-game. but to hold onto faith denies your ability to reason logically as you continue to do in several of your posts. it is a human failing I know..(to hold to opposing views as one unified belief) so summing up your opinions with a tincture of Faith does not provide closure neither does it answer the question. If we are of God, then should his actions and purposes not be beyond our "limited" machinations.? we know there are numerous cases where the contrary is the norm.

OLAADEGBU:

God upholds the entire universe by His Power. He is beyond time and has promised to uphold the future as He has the past. Don't bring God down to your level.

I am incapable of bringing God down to my level and it would be foolhardy to even hazard the thought. however within the constructs of my limited machinations, i can tell when his is a jack-ass cos there are rules that govern jack-ass behavior e.g placing a bet (with Fatal results) with Satan on your loyal servant just to test his Faith. You see.. it is possible for God to come down to my level from where i can tell whether he is of reasonable sanity or not.. all within our common sphere of understanding

JustTara:
You guys sort that out within yourselves. Why rely on science? whatever happened to Faith being enough? because that's what I've always been told over and over again.

if you wait long enough, circumstances will ultimately fall in place to validate your faith.. try it under lab conditions and see how what created the world crumbles to dust

JustTara:


You guys sort that out within yourselves. Why rely on science? whatever happened to Faith being enough? because that's what I've always been told over and over again.

Because science confirms the creation account as recorded in the Bible. Science supports the Bible. The beginning of the universe, the origin of life all have their source in the Bible. Biblical prophecy is another reason to confirm that the Bible is true.

voltron:


@OLAADEGBU.. I definitely lack the material to go on past 2 posts on this issue but here is what I can offer

That's fair enough.

voltron:


Indeed we are an excellent specimen from the surface to the infinitely tiny cells in our being. I don't have an atheist answer to that or better yet, I don't agree with the atheist answer. I don't agree with Religion's answer either (see why below)

The Bible answers the questions of the origin of the universe, earth and life. Science are only playing catch up.

voltron:


It goes beyond question that design of the living (and dead) world around and within us is ordered; the issue here is whether such order arose from "the" intelligent being you call GOD or something far less puerile. Thank Jesus you put in laws of logic into the equation, not that it impacts on the end-game. but to hold onto faith denies your ability to reason logically as you continue to do in several of your posts. it is a human failing I know..(to hold to opposing views as one unified belief) so summing up your opinions with a tincture of Faith does not provide closure neither does it answer the question. If we are of God, then should his actions and purposes not be beyond our "limited" machinations.? we know there are numerous cases where the contrary is the norm.

Reason is not opposed to faith because our faith is based on solid evidence that can be revealed by science. God who put the laws of logic, nature and morality in place is above His laws. Fallen human beings can only discover what God has originated so as to be more like the God that has absolute morality. You can only understand God's purpose when you discover the purpose for your living.

voltron:


I am incapable of bringing God down to my level and it would be foolhardy to even hazard the thought. however within the constructs of my limited machinations, i can tell when his is a jack-ass cos there are rules that govern jack-ass behavior e.g placing a bet (with Fatal results) with Satan on your loyal servant just to test his Faith. You see.. it is possible for God to come down to my level from where i can tell whether he is of reasonable sanity or not.. all within our common sphere of understanding

You are wrong again because God does not play dice. The moment you discover the purpose God created you then will you be able to discern the reason why different objects in the universe obey the same laws of nature.

OLAADEGBU:


Because science confirms the creation account as recorded in the Bible. Science supports the Bible. The beginning of the universe, the origin of life all have their source in the Bible. Biblical prophecy is another reason to confirm that the Bible is true.

The same science disproves the whole religion Bible stuff. It's a two way street. About biblical prophecies, you know you aren't supposed to interpret those literally right?