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THERE IS GOING TO BE A RESURRECTION. John 5:28-29

paxonel:
one big benefit to believe that there is another life again here on earth for you, after you die is, you will feel relaxed and focus on your day to day duty here on earth, and not be afraid of what will happen next when you die.
To have this state of happiness, you must believe that an external God who is alive is capable of giving you life again when you die

krattoss:
but then does it change the truth?

krattoss:
but then does it change the truth?

paxonel:

whether it is true or not that there is no resurrection nobody can detect it by science.
All human are blind in that aspect.
But if there is a recorded promise of the bible that there is resurrection, and we see the sense behind it.
Our best wisdom as humans is to wish that it is true so that we will relax and remain happy(remember, happiness at all times is the key to a better living ) and forget what will happen after death in the main time while we are alive
As denying it will always make you sad when ever you remember that someday you will die and go away.
Imagin, you were born into this earth, you grow and struggle hard to accumulate all your wealth, only for you to die and leave everything for someone else.
Then, what is your gain?

johnydon22:
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The thing is like he said people tend to find comfort in that whole concept of passing away and transcending into another life instead of simply dying.

People need such flimsy wishful hopes to cling to because many are not ready to accept the absoluteness of death.

Death simply means inexistence (stop existing). we have not been existing long before this biological machines called body, i wonder how people still in their greed and selfishness think something will still exist after this body... why was that thing not existing before this body?

It is not difficult to understand why we make up these stories for ourselves owing to the fact that we are probably the only specie on this planet that know at a very young age that we are going to die.

Other species just live in the moment, i doubt the dogs and elephants out there are fretting about an afterlife or greedily hoping for another after this one or performing rituals to earn a place.

No they just live in this brief one as they see it

That knowledge of the inevitable end of our being is somewhat of a burden to us and with that comes a need for a hope to cling on even if it is a wishful shadow, even if it is a greedy one.

It has made many people to get lost in the euphoria of their wishful delusion, cus they have not finished living in this one or ever having learnt to live in this one greedily chasing after another and end up having not lived any at all.

So why not we all forget dwelling in these fantasies and focus on where we are now and what we have right now which is here and now.

Giving up this earth to chase after afterlife is life giving up a known substance to chase after a wishful shadow...[/b]

doneee:
This has really been bothering me lately.

So one day, we'll have to die?
where are we going? or we just die and it's over?

lalasticlala

Kreysik:

So we should reason and understand like the dog and elephant and simply abscond this fact
And also behave like them "believing that life doesn't go beyond mundane and transient desires like feeding,shelter and satisfaction of all type of whimsical and carnal pleasures

Good you've pointed out that the human recognized in an early stage that he was going to die and also believe that there Is life after death.now my question

Isn't thirst a prove of the existence of water?

If so,isn't our innate yearning for eternity a proof of its existence?

johnydon22:


Living happy is not dependent on clutching on to wishful hopes of an afterlife in this one.

One who has not finished living this one busy in a vainful greedy chase is busy chasing after another will end up having not lived this one at all.

It is better we don't delude ourselves with such wishful hopes and focus on where we are and what we have.

A tree lives and dies
A lion does same
An elephant same thing
A human goes through that same biological metabolical breakdown.

what is the gain you ask? The gain is every thing.

-Having lived at all is the gain...

Let one not throw their chances of ever having lived by dwelling in a fantasy of getting another...

johnydon22:

First you think yourself far more special than every other life form on earth, you think yourself to be more intelligent which is according to your own perception of intelligence.

The same metabolisms that keeps you alive also keeps a dog alive or a rat out there, you are a biological entity alongside all others.


Lmao... its amazing how many think.... Thirst is not proof of water but rather water itself is proof of water.

My desire for 1billion naira is proof of 1billion in my account?... Wrong analogy try harder..


Actually your yearning to get another life is proof of GREED not the existence of eternity and it is not an innate human quality some people don't even have the slightest clue of such concepts because they have never been told.

More so my yearning to ride a flying diamond pink unicorn is proof of it's existence... You all should review what you post before posting them..

Kreysik:
well weather you accept is or not humans are far more intelligent that other animal that's why they can explore space,make constructive arts,write books and read,design this medium that I'm using to communicate to you et al..all this are signs of mans reasoning and superiority over other creatures...it will be unwise to think your self or compare your self to animals and in so doing behave likewise believing that life doesn't go beyond fleeting desires

You call it GREED? Well its not,its gives you a sense of responsibility,knowing that death is just a passage to another realm and that this world is a place for cultivation and the other world a place of harvest this actually is the opposite of GREED...isn't it amazing that does who call themselves athiest are actually the most GREEDY people? Why? This is because the see themselves not more than an animal

And finally you get the logic wrong "the feeling of thirst a prove of the existence of water doesn't necessary mean you have access to the water" likewise "the yearning for 1billion is a proof of the existence of money and doesn't necessary mean you have the money in your account" so also the desire for eternity is a proof of its existence

Also I'll like to add that human nature is designed I'm such a manner that it
doesn't desire something that that doesn't exist...

also imagination andcreativity are gifts given to the human being the first plane,car,phone et al were the result of these,

so imagining something that is not existent isn't a crime its
only a sign of innate imagination and creativity and this is different from the
term desire or yearning

johnydon22:


Intelligence according to you is to judge it according to human perception of what intelligence is.

Humans have a highly developed brain that gives them a highly cognitive and reasoning ability and also gives them a highly imaginative ability.

Our intelligence or any of these abilities you think is outstanding doesn't make us superior to other animals..


-Pegerine falcons can fly at a neck breaking distance of 387km/h does this ability make it superior to man?

- A cheetah can spot a prey 5km away, elephant can communicate in ultrasonic methods, platypus possess electro perceptive abilities, or a spider that can see on infrared mode ... You can not do any of these, but these abilities does not make them superior.

We are all natural inhabitants of this planet and natural manifestation is diverse.... We all are neighbouring life forms sharing this world..




Clamoring for another life gives you a sense of responsibility? ..lol..

This can only be asserted by one who lack independent basis for human ethical interactions.

The greed of another life is greed in every sense, it makes one pay little mind to what he has in a wishful clamor for another.
A child who has not finished eating a biscuit and asking for more that is not there is a greedy one.

Your greedy chase of another life can only diminish your ability to live this one and you end up having not lived any at all...



..LOL.. Proof of water is water itself, Proof of money is money itself.

Proof of a flying pink diamond unicorn is the unicorn itself... not my yearn to ride one.

All the things you know exists is because you have seen them exists, you wouldn't be yearning for money if nobody ever told you there was.

You yearn for another life is because someone told you there is and not an innate human quality and this clamor to get another life is proof of your GREEDY chase of more life when you have not finished living the one you have.

There was no You before this body, what ever makes you think there will still be a you after it, i must say really got you swimming hard in wishful hopes.

Kreysik:

I assume it will also be greed for a student to prepare for his exams before the day of the exam..it will actually be stupid to wait till a day before the exam or till the day of the exam .this is the logic of one who yearns for the after life and this is want I mean by a sense of responsibility
why are humans created with the sense of thirst if this was not suppose to b a proof of its existence for behind every cause there is an effect..and mind you the yearning for eternity is innate in man.... who told the first man that there is something called eternity?

Kreysik:

I assume it will also be greed for a student to prepare for his exams before the day of the exam..it will actually be stupid to wait till a day before the exam or till the day of the exam .this is the logic of one who yearns for the after life and this is want I mean by a sense of responsibility

why are humans created with the sense of thirst if this was not suppose to b a proof of its existence for behind every cause there is an effect..and mind you the yearning for eternity is innate in man....who told the first man that there is something called eternity?

Actually religiosity in man developed over time and was not something derived as an innate characteristics.

Yearning for any form of eternity is not in anyway innate in man for crying out loud, it is a greedy construct conceived to derive wishful hopes in the face of our inevitable end.

If nobody told you that there is anything like Afterlife, you wouldn't have been here yapping about it because you wouldn't think there is.

That you are clamoring for it is because you have an inclined on the concept just like i cannot say my yearn for bending abilities is an innate human quality.

First man what first man?? which first man?

johnydon22:
Here we go...
Yearning for afterlife means you want another life after this one, that is compound greed and in no way reconciles with the student analogy.

You are only sure of this life what ever wishful concepts derived from your perception of this one in order to sate your humongous greed to boycott the inevitable is nothing more than wishful thinking..




Actually religiosity in man developed over time and was not something derived as an innate characteristics.

Yearning for any form of eternity is not in anyway innate in man for crying out loud, it is a greedy construct conceived to derive wishful hopes in the face of our inevitable end.

If nobody told you that there is anything like Afterlife, you wouldn't have been here yapping about it because you wouldn't think there is.

That you are clamoring for it is because you have an inclined on the concept just like i cannot say my yearn for bending abilities is an innate human quality.

First man what first man?? which first man?

Kreysik:
indeed the greatest enemy of knowledge isn't ignorance but the illusion of knowledge

Exactly the point.... Thats why who ever thinks they know what will happen after a human is dead is either stupi_d or lying.

I'd say both because they don't know only swimming in delusion of knowing

CAPTIVATOR:


Actually the first man would have lived forever if he obeyed , since he didnt he was sentenced to death . ( he cnt live forever anymore)

- Did Adam exist before he was created ?

Pls answer . And tell me why you think death cant return him to his former condition .

johnydon22:

Exactly the point.... Thats why who ever thinks they know what will happen after a human is dead is either stupi_d or lying.

I'd say both because they don't know only swimming in delusion of knowing

Kreysik:

The you believe blackholes exist and why?

that you don't know what happens after death isn't prove of it non existence is it? Remember the case of galileo and the catholic church

johnydon22:

Now he wants to compare a natural occurring phenomena with spirity mumbo jumbo... desperate that is..

-What is a blackhole?

Exactly the point.

You do not know what happened before birth and i don't see you assuming you were somewhere before you were born.

Since you don't know what happens after you are dead just like you don't what happened before you were born.. What then is the need to assume up some unfounded claims..

I don't know if there is a giant teapot with a diamond water orbiting Pluto now and since i don't there is absolutely no need for me to assume there is ... It is either j am lying or plain stupi_d

johnydon22:

Now he wants to compare a natural occurring phenomena with spirity mumbo jumbo... desperate that is..

-What is a blackhole?

hahn:


Theists even go as far as comparing their god to the wind

Kreysik:

Lol!! Galileo proposed that the earth moves and is not standstill.because this was contrary to what the knew the catholics actually penalized him for such believes..yeah you should be familiar with the statement "galileo repentance will not make the earth stand still" although the catholics believed that d earth was still and don't perceive that it was actually in motion isn't a proof that it is

You should also believe in black hole wich most likely you haven't come across...why? Because some scientist proofs to your that it existed and you also feel light cannot pass through it because he said so

Yes we believe in eternity because 1 it is innate in our being and 2 we believe in a God..and like that scientist our God also tells us that there is life after death

Kreysik:

Sometimes you have to come down to people level of reasoning to explain a phenomena to them
And if some one reason like a child you explain to him like a child
This is not even a comparism to start with but just a question are you that blind?

hahn:


Theists even go as far as comparing their god to the wind

..LOL.. And it makes absolutely no sense to be singing to the wind or bowing to it...

Kreysik:

what's this one saying