nateevs:


Ivanovic suffered abuse because he is a shit right back and has always been. He's been that way for many seasons. Some have just been blinded by the goals he scores. This season, he has been found out.

In contrast, Hazard was last season's player of the year and made WPOTY short list. EOS.

When Hazard ONLY is off form, then we will come out and say yes he is. But when Hazard is 'off form' and Fab is and Costa is and Matic is and JT is, then Off-form starts to become a loosely applied excuse for a more fundamental problem left unsolved.

Loosely applied only from your own point of view. It is possible for Barca to be off form yet Messi carries the team on his shoulders. Give him the ball and you are certain something is about to happen. Same cannot be said of Hazard. He is rubbish so far. EOD.

FBS:

Because he is having a rough start to the season?
So you think your Klopp is better? He suffered the same wahala with Dortmund. Got to UCL final but his team couldn't buy a win a few months after.

Sha.it happens.

We are talking of a defending champion oga FBS. Surely there should be a level one can plunge to. Rough season? Nothing rough about making poor decisions. All his decisions since winning the league has been terrible and he is paying for it.

nateevs:


Ivanovic suffered abuse because he is a shit right back and has always been. He's been that way for many seasons. Some have just been blinded by the goals he scores. This season, he has been found out.

In contrast, Hazard was last season's player of the year and made WPOTY short list. EOS.

When Hazard ONLY is off form, then we will come out and say yes he is. But when Hazard is 'off form' and Fab is and Costa is and Matic is and JT is, then Off-form starts to become a loosely applied excuse for a more fundamental problem left unsolved.

Can i hug u right now?

sephia:

We are talking of a defending champion oga FBS. Surely there should be a level one can plunge to. Rough season? Nothing rough about making poor decisions. All his decisions since winning the league has been terrible and he is paying for it.

Sister sephia, so defending champions can't have a bad period or season? You think he is happy with it? Juventus won last season yet lost AGAIN on Friday.

His decisions won the league some months ago. Let him do his job.

nateevs:
It's the simple tasks of finding a 5 yard pass and moving into space. Receiving the ball with your back to goal, under pressure yet still finding a team mate with a good pass. It's knowing when to press, when to speed the game up and essentially when not to run.

Having the energy to track back and the intelligence for positional defending. They help the attack and the defence at the same time.

Contrast that to when we attack and there is neither Ramires nor Mikel within 5 yards of Hazard to receive the ball and run into forward space.

Then you wonder at the same why Can and Lucas had little to do. Do you think Continho how was trying to attack all by himself?

I already said Can and Lucas did not do most of these things better than Mikel and Ramires in this game

Intelligence for positional defending = Interception, shebi?

Can and Lucas - 3 Interceptions

Mikel and Ramires - 3 interceptions.

Can and Lucas - 7/8 tackles won

Mikel alone - 7/8 tackles won

Can and Lucas - %83 pass accuracy

Mikel and Ramires - %84 pass accuracy

Which simple tasks did the Liverpool duo perform better in today's game?

sephia:




Hazard was Chelsea's best player last year and even early this year. How can a player decline so fast? We have to look at the deeper issue. We are seeing an unhappy player who probably has issues with the manager and it's affecting his game.
Hazard is a fantastic player and the whole world knows it except a few nairaland haters. ..lol
Contender for best player in the world...lol. Make una leave Hazard jor.

He was Chelsea's best player in the back end of last season and that was in the league. In Europe he was nowhere to be found as usual. The truth is he is a good player but when people started comparing him to the Ronaldo's, Mueller's and Neymar's is when his downfall began. He is way in over his head and cannot carry his team on his back like others we listed above. I don't care if he is being coached by satan himself. 0 goals in 16 games

Ibime:


Exception rather than the norm. Infact they won the game after Bayern had brought on the youngsters, besides Cazorla and Coquelin are not messing about in that midfield these days and Bayern midfield is regressing over the last 2 years sef.

My perception of the game is simple. The goal is in the centre of the pitch and that makes the spine of the team the most important section. Wingers play in an ancilliary position, there to help you stretch the game and create space for the central players to attack the goal. The minute you expect your winger to carry the game, you are setting unfair expectations.

My angle is that we cannot have lost this game to Ramires' and Mikel's ineptitude. Because their opponents - the ones they supposedly lost it to - are inept too.

nitlad:


I already said Can and Lucas did not do most of these things better than Mikel and Ramires in this game

Intelligence for positional defending = Interception, shebi?

Can and Lucas - 3 Interceptions

Mikel and Ramires - 3 interceptions.

Can and Lucas - 7/8 tackles won

Mikel alone - 7/8 tackles won

Can and Lucas - %83 pass accuracy

Mikel and Ramires - %84 pass accuracy

Which simple tasks did the Liverpool duo perform better in today's game?

People will defend even with the most pathetic of excuses. If it ain't the combo of Rami/Mikel its the freaking PDP affecting the so called WPOTY contender's performance.

Anyways, Mahrez showing them how its done.
Someone abeg remind who be them midfielders for Leicester? Ohun ti o da o da. No sugar coating it.

FBS:

Loosely applied only from your own point of view. It is possible for Barca to be off form yet Messi carries the team on his shoulders. Give him the ball and you are certain something is about to happen. Same cannot be said of Hazard. He is rubbish so far. EOD.

In one argument, you claim Hazard is not even worth of WPOTY comparisons; in another, you comparr his exploits to what Messi would have done.

Why don't you show us where Messi has consistently carried his team on his shoulders?

What was he doing with the ball when he received it from Argentinian teammates? Why didn't he do something with the ball and win the world cup?

nateevs:


In one argument, you claim Hazard is not even worth of WPOTY comparisons; in another, you comparr his exploits to what Messi would have done.

Why don't you show us where Messi has consistently carried his team on his shoulders?

What was he doing with the ball when he received it from Argentinian teammates? Why didn't he do something with the ball and win the world cup?

Simply because thats what you guys make of him. To be a WPOTY contender you MUST be the super-player in your team which clearly he is not. A player with zero input and output?

nateevs:


Ivanovic suffered abuse because he is a shit right back and has always been. He's been that way for many seasons. Some have just been blinded by the goals he scores. This season, he has been found out.

In contrast, Hazard was last season's player of the year and made WPOTY short list. EOS.

When Hazard ONLY is off form, then we will come out and say yes he is. But when Hazard is 'off form' and Fab is and Costa is and Matic is and JT is, then Off-form starts to become a loosely applied excuse for a more fundamental problem left unsolved.

I disagree completely. Ivanovic was also nominee for UEFA team of the season. EOS

Hazard has been pure rubbish, EVen though he was overrated to start with but he is just incredibly mediocre right now

The point of having marquee players in a team is for them to deliver magic and bail out their team Thats why we would praise Neymar, Ribery Robben , deBruye, SUarez because the deliver when their teammates are average

If Hazard is just going to play like every Kennedy, Iwobi, Quaresma etc then your signature would never come to pass even in the next 10yrs

Your star player should be giving opponents problems the way Coutinho was giving you guys yet no one noticed him on the field until he was subbed out. And he has been like that for a while now. He is almost 25 at the peak of his powers if this is what he would deliver?

Chelsea has many problems Hazard, Mourinho and Matic are top 5 of them and Ivanovic isnt top 10 of Chelsea's problem

nitlad:


My angle is that we cannot have lost this game to Ramires' and Mikel's ineptitude. Because their opponents - the ones they supposedly lost it to - are inept too.

But we directly allowed Liverpool back in the game due to an action by Ramires.

3 days ago, another action by Ramires gave Stoke the foothold in the game.

Whether this game or over the course of the season, there is great panic in the team from management tactics and colleagues behaviour because the midfield cannot serve its basic purpose.

And get it right - Can and Lucas are average. Inept is the correct description for Chelsea midfield. Big difference

nitlad:


I already said Can and Lucas did not do most of these things better than Mikel and Ramires in this game

Intelligence for positional defending = Interception, shebi?

Can and Lucas - 3 Interceptions

Mikel and Ramires - 3 interceptions.

Can and Lucas - 7/8 tackles won

Mikel alone - 7/8 tackles won

Can and Lucas - %83 pass accuracy

Mikel and Ramires - %84 pass accuracy

Which simple tasks did the Liverpool duo perform better in today's game?

Don't you see that those stats actually justify my point of view than it does yours?

Stats without analysis of them do nothing.

Liverpool sustained more atacking moments than Chelsea the entire game yet our midfielder were intercepting the oppo at about the same level as they did us. That's lopsided and you then don't need to be told why they won the game.

On the flip side, the percentage completion of passes show nothing until you show us the heat map of where those passes were made.

FBS:

Simply because thats what you guys make of him. To be a WPOTY contender you MUST be the super-player in your team which clearly he is not. A player with zero input and output?

You are evading. I don't hide my position on Hazard. You take on the challenge and show me what Messi did for Argentina.

Anyways, all na megefegede. Let's change the entire team+ manager just to fit in a single player. SMH.

From my point of view this is a mental issue so its time for EVERYONE to sit up and man up to their responsibilities instead of blaming Robert Mugabe and the ball boys, nothing ain't gonna change.

I do believe though that come May things will be better.

We are Chelsea and will be back.

Goodnight.

nateevs:


You are evading. I don't hide my position on Hazard. You take on the challenge and show me what Messi did for Argentina.

Maybe you can show me what Hazard did for Belgium?

A40:

He was Chelsea's best player in the back end of last season and that was in the league. In Europe he was nowhere to be found as usual. The truth is he is a good player but when people started comparing him to the Ronaldo's, Mueller's and Neymar's is when his downfall began. He is way in over his head and cannot carry his team on his back like others we listed above. I don't care if he is being coached by satan himself. 0 goals in 16 games

Hazard has been carrying his team until this season. I wouldn't compare him to Ronaldo or Neymar but he is good. He is the reason we did well last season and the one before.
The way u guys slam him is unreasonable. It's not only Hazard that is poor this season, the whole team is shiit.

sephia:


Hazard has been carrying his team until this season. I wouldn't compare him to Ronaldo or Neymar but he is good. He is the reason we did well last season and the one before.
The way u guys slam him is unreasonable. It's not only Hazard that is poor this season, the whole team is shiit.

The whole team is shit. Agreed. We were all over Iva because he was sha.itty. so if Hazard is also shsitty why can't we say just that?

nitlad:


I already said Can and Lucas did not do most of these things better than Mikel and Ramires in this game

Intelligence for positional defending = Interception, shebi?

Can and Lucas - 3 Interceptions

Mikel and Ramires - 3 interceptions.

Can and Lucas - 7/8 tackles won

Mikel alone - 7/8 tackles won

Can and Lucas - %83 pass accuracy

Mikel and Ramires - %84 pass accuracy

Which simple tasks did the Liverpool duo perform better in today's game?

All this na yarn. Useless stastistics.

I can even show you matches where Mikel made 95% pass completion and got overrun in midfield.

For one, by your own admission, Liverpool did all the attacking yet Mikel and Rami made the same no of tackles as Can and Lucas.

Secondly, Pool could press high with assurance that Lucas and Can are mobile enough to cover. Let one Chelsea forward try that one, all he will hear is "mumu, stop pressing, abi you want leave that snail Mikel exposed?"

Tactically the whole set up, balance and confidence of the team is affected by who is in midfield.

Thirdly what kind of nonsense stats is no of tackles. Does what Coutinho did to Ramires count as a failed tackle? That was not a tackle, yet Coutinho disgraced Ramires and equalised. We all saw it with our eyes so you don't need to tell us about tackles.

When Mikel jogs behind a player, escorting him on his way to score against Chelsea, which of these statistics will quantify that?

When Charlie Adams shii for Ramires and shade him off the ball to set up Stokes goal, which of these statistics quantify that?

All we know is that Lucas and Can let nothing through on their goal while Ramires and Mikel opened their nyash for raping.

Abegifuen.

A40:

He was Chelsea's best player in the back end of last season and that was in the league. In Europe he was nowhere to be found as usual. The truth is he is a good player but when people started comparing him to the Ronaldo's, Mueller's and Neymar's is when his downfall began. He is way in over his head and cannot carry his team on his back like others we listed above. I don't care if he is being coached by satan himself. 0 goals in 16 games

Gbenu soun..... we are talking about better things here....Not some fucking argument

nateevs:
Don't you see that those stats actually justify my point of view than it does yours?

Stats without analysis of them do nothing.

Liverpool sustained more atacking moments than Chelsea the entire game yet our midfielder were intercepting the oppo at about the same level as they did us. That's lopsided and you then don't need to be told why they won the game.

On the flip side, the percentage completion of passes show nothing until you show us the heat map of where those passes were made.

By now, you should have seen the angle I'm working. . .

Our much maligned MFs did just about as much as their much heralded opponents in this game.

Difference is, their attackers expertly did their part. Ours didn't.

That's why I said they asked more questions from us than we from them.

Plus interceptions are not the only means to break up play. Tackles are allowed too.

FBS:
The whole team is shit. Agreed. We were all over Iva because he was sha.itty. so if Hazard is also shsitty why can't we say just that?

Hazard is shitty. No doubt about that but why? I see an unhappy player. A player being stiffled.

Ibime:


All this na yarn. Useless stastistics.

I can even show you matches where Mikel made 95% pass completion and got overrun in midfield.

For one, by your own admission, Liverpool did all the attacking yet Mikel and Rami made the same no of tackles as Can and Lucas.

Secondly, Pool could press high with assurance that Lucas and Can are mobile enough to cover. Let one Chelsea forward try that one, all he will hear is "mumu, stop pressing, abi you want leave that snail Mikel exposed?"

Tactically the whole set up, balance and confidence of the team is affected by who is in midfield.

Thirdly what kind of nonsense stats is no of tackles. Does what Coutinho did to Ramires count as a failed tackle? That was not a tackle, yet Coutinho disgraced Ramires and equalised. We all saw it with our eyes so you don't need to tell us about tackles.

When Mikel jogs behind a player, escorting him on his way to score against Chelsea, which of these statistics will quantify that?

When Charlie Adams shii for Ramires and shade him off the ball to set up Stokes goal, which of these statistics quantify that?

All we know is that Lucas and Can let nothing through on their goal while Ramires and Mikel opened their nyash for raping.

Abegifuen.

You are now speaking of intangibles.

When an attacker slows down the pace of a counter, allows the opponent regroup, how do you measure that too?

When an attacker chooses a wrong pass in an attacking move how do you measure that?

When an attacker keeps running into blind alleys, what is the metric?

When your chief attacker cannot punch his way out of a wet paper bag, nor be faaji opposing DMs dey?

You can go on and on about the nuances of MF play, but I am telling you now that our DMs gave as much support to the attackers as their opponents, only that our attackers nor give half the effort their opponents gave.

Eden Hazard vs Liverpool FC : 0 chances created 0 crosses 0 shots


issokay

No Ivanovic or Matic to blame this time around

airmark:




That has always been my major concern ever since. Especially that benteke goal was the most annoying. Benteke would have finished a can of pepsi before hitting that ball. For those who followed chelsea of the terry/carvalho era, they would n't like to watch such moment. Lampard's facial expression said it all. I saw these sluggishness in the defence line in preseason and knew we are in for it. If you like bring 3 mechanics into the midfield, once the defenders are not doing their jobs the ball will always find its way into the net. I saw emenalo shaking his head on the bench too. All of them including mourinho should be fired.

When the mega money offer comes, I give my blessings for Hazard's sale!


O digba!

Mourinholic:

Gbenu soun..... we are talking about better things here....Not some fucking argument

Shut up you salty fcuktard. Am i the one responsible for the woes of your useless club. Apa

it's all the referee's fault that chelsea lost today. If he hadn't blown the whistle to start the game, they would never have lost

FBS:
Anyways, all na megefegede. Let's change the entire team+ manager just to fit in a single player. SMH.

From my point of view this is a mental issue so its time for EVERYONE to sit up and man up to their responsibilities instead of blaming Robert Mugabe and the ball boys, nothing ain't gonna change.

I do believe though that come May things will be better.

We are Chelsea and will be back.

Goodnight.

In one argument, it is mental. In another, Hazard is 5hit. And talking about everyone manning up to their responsibilities, why are the others not being blame as much as Hazard is?

At what point did it become Hazard's responsibility to shoulder the team? Isn't this the root problem I have been talking about? Everything going through Hazard?

At this point. . . Nothing. . absolutely nothing is going through Hazard. . . Willian of all people is performing even better.

I think Jose is inexpereiced to deal with this kind of situation because this is the first time he has been in it. He is basically saying the wroong things and giving the wrong idea that everyone is against us and its not helping matters.

There needs to be a different approach. . not necessarily a change in personnel, i dont support that.

nitlad:


You are now speaking of intangibles.

When an attacker slows down the pace of a counter, allows the opponent regroup, how do you measure that too?

When an attacker chooses a wrong pass in an attacking move how do you measure that?

When an attacker keeps running into blind alleys, what is the metric?

When your chief attacker cannot punch his way out of a wet paper bag, nor be faaji opposing DMs dey?

You can go on and on about the nuances of MF play, but I am telling you now that our DMs gave as much support to the attackers as their opponents, only that our attackers nor give half the effort their opponents gave.

So all those stats you gave us are useless. Don't bring those kinda nonsense stats to a debate here unless you are discussing with awon boiz.

It is a fact that Ramires got disgraced by Coutinho and directly contributed to the first Pool goal. It is also a fact that Ramires was a disgrace against Stoke although I am sure you can pull up stats to show he had better pass completion than Stoke midfielders.

Lucas and Can never harmed their team or left them exposed in the midst of these stats. Mikel and Ramires did.

When Hazard slows the game down in attacking positions, I am also the first to criticise him here so save the sermon for the unbelievers.