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Re: How Nigeria Must Deal With Biafra - Cramjones by ferdyabu(m): 12:51pm On Nov 03, 2015
Tripleclick:
Only miscreants?? and your mum igbo and then what??

When igbos are been killed and victmised, pple like u will kep quiet.. but wen de say rhy want to go.. u call dm names.. how many fulanis atrocities hv hit front page... d way topics against igbos hv made
I do not support violence against any group of persons regardless of their tribes.It's my Dad's mum that's Igbo.
Re: How Nigeria Must Deal With Biafra - Cramjones by Obosiland: 12:53pm On Nov 03, 2015
buhari muma eme Anyi ya maka n'anyi bu ndi biafra

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Re: How Nigeria Must Deal With Biafra - Cramjones by SuperO: 1:00pm On Nov 03, 2015
cramjones:
The biafran people where massacred, raped and sodomized by the Nigerian forces. The government of Yakubu Gowon created an embargo and prevented food and essentials medicines from reaching the people of Biafra, thereby leading to the death of over a million people. Recall that the jews all over the world still remember the massacre of 6 million jews, but the Nigerian state have chosen to ignore such despicable genocide against the Biafran people. General Yakubu Gowon should be a war criminal facing trial at the ICC, but today he is being celebrated.

For those of you that have never experienced war, you will never know that peace is the greatest gift you can ever have. There is no Nairalanding or facebooking at the time of war, what you see is death, rape, disease and hunger! It is horrible! We must find a peaceful way of resolving the issue of Biafra. War is should never be an option.

-CramJones

Ur write up was quite interesting. But I have a question regarding a point you made. Please do enlighten me.

Do the Igbos in their states and on their own recognize the sacrifice of the millions that went to the initial Biafra struggle?
Re: How Nigeria Must Deal With Biafra - Cramjones by Nobody: 1:01pm On Nov 03, 2015
liberty300:
For the first time, I actually read one of this dude's topics. Nice write up by the way.

On development in the east: the new Abia state government is really picking up, give him a couple of years more. Massive construction is going on in that state right now. Only Imo is left behind because of okorohausa.

On sea port: I hope you know during the Biafra war, igbos used cargo planes to trade. They engineered planes to become heavy duty carriers Wch was used to trade. It was faster and somehow cheaper for to trade with. Biafra can easily refer to that pattern of trade once more.

On economy: Biafra is the current home of nigeria's largest indigenous companies. Although sales are still local, they can easily engineer there products to reach international standards like China..once they do that, they're unstoppable.

Southeast has the highest number of research facilities in the Nigeria. Eg; PRODA..this only means there is more growth to come
i gave you your 50th LIKE for a reason....................... you destroyed the junk this OP posted here......
we are BIAFRANS for goodness sake
ndia omakwa ihe anyi nékwu ebea?
lunatics be writing for the peace of the giant fraud and damnable contraption called the zoological republic of monkeys and baboons....................
biafra is here to stay
my goodness me

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Re: How Nigeria Must Deal With Biafra - Cramjones by MrNiceGuy5: 1:02pm On Nov 03, 2015
IPOB123london:
The yorubas can cry as much as they want.
we dnt give a toss. Biafra is here.

Just read the write up. I shake my head. I reiterate the oduduwa with their useless attitude will be worse than the zoo

Listen to him. Sit down and talk to Nnamdi Kanu. Haha. I Keep saying this, just because we share the same skin colour does not replicate we are one people. We are Biafrans for heaven sake.

The fear of Biafra hahaha. We expect more of these useless writings in the coming weeks.

Well, Biafra will only exist if Niger delta is with you guys in the struggle. Like some pointed out on this forum that east is landlocked and you are grabbing River state because of the sea and Oil. Ijaw will never be biafra and they will never join you in your struggle, instead they will form a united Niger delta state. Forget story. Biafraa can't survive without Niger delta. Biafra ko. Kafura ni.

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Re: How Nigeria Must Deal With Biafra - Cramjones by Nobody: 1:03pm On Nov 03, 2015
Laid2001:
OK, now write this your post in any Igbo Dialect and see how many people will understand you!

Now, that's one of the major problems the restoration of Biafra shall solve.

All African countries must resolve this issue; No country can become a first class nation, using a foreign language as it's official language, as citizens of such country shall forever remain inferior and continue to play second fiddle to the original owners of such language. Cos as you use someone's language, you are unavoidably promoting those people's culture, tradition - way of life.

Language, just like culture and tradition, if remains under-use and developed will inevitably die away....

I have worked as a teacher, English doesn't come natural to our children and indeed our people...what you now see is people falling ontop of each other trying to impress the colonial masters - even though they have gone!

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Re: How Nigeria Must Deal With Biafra - Cramjones by dialfa: 1:06pm On Nov 03, 2015
Ephemmm:
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I doubt it if this Biafra lunatics read the write up. Op mentioned another disintegration which somebody like Isaac Boro has tried under the former Easter Region to liberate Ijaw people from Eastern part, but which was subdued by the same Igbo former President all to protect the interest of Igbos over minority.

The problem with Igbo is greed, self-entitlement and born to rule, control and exploit mentality. Qatar is smaller than Bayelsa in population and half d size of Bayelsa state by landmass. Bayelsa is four times the size of Singapore. if Qatar and Singapore can be a country, why cant we have an Ijaw nation as a country? Do u think Ijaw people dont want to be like Qatar and enjoy their oil alone like Qatar does? Note: Bayelsa State is d smallest state in the south south by population and second to the last by landmass!!

For your information, it is now obvious that Igbo primary interest is separation from Nigeria with Niger delta as their trophy.

Igboland is in Nigerdelta. We Igbos can never cede any part of our land to anybody based on the zoo created boundaries. If ijaws want to be alone, no Igbo will ever stop them but to term niger delta the exclusivity of ijaws or any other ogogoro drinking minority is asking for trouble.

Stop confusing tribes with zoo regions.

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Re: How Nigeria Must Deal With Biafra - Cramjones by Goke7: 1:14pm On Nov 03, 2015
jpphilips:



You must be taking those lunatics too seriously, first I am yet to hear any Igbo Elite push for Biafra, Chinua Achebe only sold his books with the status quo which is understandable from a business point of view.

The Elites of Igbo land are feeding fat from Nigeria and have interests neck deep in Nigeria which a Biafran struggle will mar, those interests will stop at nothing to silence the struggle so don't bother about that.

Take out Radio Biafra and you will not year of Biafra again in 2016.



you nailed it there, the igbo elite don't give a damn about biafra, they are just pained that GEJ lost elections, when they begin to get their contracts back, they will be the one to tell PMB to allow them deal with the issue once and for all. no be this naija we dey, abegi, next pls
Re: How Nigeria Must Deal With Biafra - Cramjones by Nobody: 1:19pm On Nov 03, 2015
Phinity318:
Attention: Nigeria is one, It's high time the igbos realise the fact that we are an indivisible sovereign state.
who made Nigeria one? You?
After reading all the acrimonious diatribe at all rage on nairaland and on other social media in recent times between angry igbos and yoruba/hausa who are a bit much divided along tribal line, you still fool-hardily believe this forced, hair-brained marriage is one indivisible state. Only a bird-brained fellow would assert such.
Re: How Nigeria Must Deal With Biafra - Cramjones by Naijiant: 1:23pm On Nov 03, 2015
laudate:


Guy, a lot of pro-Biafran supporters were NOT born during the war, but their forbears have fed them with a lot of propaganda about events that occurred during the war. sad

It is that same propaganda, tribalism and hate that they are now recycling in their agitation for Biafra 2.0 version. Just check all Nnamdi Kanu's speeches on Radiobiafra and kindly do a content analysis of all his supporters responses, on Nairaland. sad

Am glad you used Botswana as an example of a land-locked country that has thrived on the African continent. Do you know why?? They have worked hard to maintain excellent relations with South Africa and Namibia, primarily because all their imports and exports go through the ports of these countries. They even partnered with Namibia to construct a dry port along the axis leading to Walvis Bay, in Namibia. undecided

With the kind of hate that pro-Biafra supporters keep spewing out towards the non-Igbo on these threads, do you think their proposed countries will be able re-enact the kind of relationship Botswana has with its' neighbours, in Biafra if the Akwa-Ibom & Cross-River ethnic groups do not join their proposed country?? I think not. shocked
My brother,

The propaganda, hate and "tribalism" are on both sides of the debate. This is why I called for a mature and democratic approach to Biafran agitation from both sides.

You make a good point in reference to what I said about Botswana.

I have argued elsewhere that Nnamdi Kanu would not even recruit many sensible Igbos with his approach:
http://www.naijiant.com/articles/nnamdi-kanu-would-struggle-to-recruit-sensible-igbos/
Re: How Nigeria Must Deal With Biafra - Cramjones by jpphilips(m): 1:26pm On Nov 03, 2015
[quote author=Naijiant post=39638849]1.
There was a Bight of Biafra b/4 Nigeria existed, but not a country of Biafra. “Bight” means exit from shipping lanes. The bight was named by Portuguese seafarers.

I agree completely, the Lunatic Nnamdi Kanu told those urchins that there was Biafra before Nigeria, in reality, there was a "Bight of Biafra" before Nigeria, You see why I hate that nuisance for his penchant for spreading mis information.
That Bight of biafra in part lie in our present day gulf of guinea. It was just a ship route in those days not a country let alone land, its all water



3. It may be likely that the people of Rivers, Cross River and Akwa Ibom may not want to join Biafra, but until you ask them, you can’t state this categorically.

It is common sense for them to reject Biafra, first the Biafran struggle is fueled by the "indigenous peoples right 2007" while the lunatic Kanu forgot to tell them there is an addendum to that called "indigenous land right" all UN backed laws.
On whose land right will Igbos claim the resources in Akwaibom land? secondly, those SS states fare better than their SE counterparts, it will amount to parasitism if they should join Biafra. Lastly, there are no 100% igbo speaking zones in those area which is a major requirement for a UN backed referendum, except they are ready to fight a war that will humble Nigeria and subjugate the SS people, then I see no Biafra beyond the SE part of the country.
Selling a prosperous Biafra to the SS is a tough sell because, the SE presently is a deep sh!t. That is why Nnamdi Kanu is doing a "tongue sell", convincing them that they all speak the same language as such qualify as brothers grin grin grin
I really don't blame him because in far away London where his madness started, he never knew that beyond the Ikwerres in Phalga, no aboriginal person speak Igbo till Cameroon mountains.
How do i even expect him to know that anyways, his plan makes a mockery of the UN guidelines hence, he is just a scam feeding fat on people's ignorance.


4. While being a landlocked country is not ideal, it is no impediment to development. Switzerland is an affluent landlocked country. One of the most stable and relatively developed countries in sub-Saharan Africa is Botswana and it is landlocked (the highest ranked sub-Saharan country in the UN Human Development Index).

Arguments like this defeat common sense, the average successful Igbo is an importer, there is absolutely nothing else to do, the few manufacturers are assortments of pickets who piece together imported parts for bigger profit, that Manufacturing capability will die off once the actual Biafra comes to life, Outside Abia state, no other region in the SE can generate electricity independently so what will power the manufacturing base? Enugu, Ebonyi and half of Anambra have no water so what exactly will support manufacturing in the first place?

That leaves them solely with importation, Is it the same with the countries you mentioned? Being land locked equally makes you a bulls eye for belligerent neighbors which, Biafra is surrounded by Enemies, you cant undermine the Naval advantage the enemies will employ.
Switzerland has a very developed arms export hub dating back to the 1920 so their import is quite limited unlike Biafra that must import tooth pick.
The Euro zone arrangement give member states collective access to developed infrastructures in terms of transport, Technology and defense same can not be said of Biafra whose immediate neighbor Kogi state has nothing to offer except war, kidnapping and fulani heards men.

Switz is bordered in the North by Germany, East by France, West by Austria and South by Italy, all prosperous nations, Being a bridge that connects 5 prosperous nations is reason enough for Switz to be developed.
Switz equally have had their fair share of geographical disadvantage, recall that during the second world war, Switz declared neutrality as such should be immune from all hostilities, how can that be possible when Germany needs to drop a bomb in France and Switz is in between?
Their air space was violated countless times, their infrastructures were mulled by several bombs, matter of fact, the Switz citizens suffered every trauma that comes with being a victim of war. that alone is a history they will never forget in a hurry, thanks to being land locked.

Despite all the pros and cons argument, comparing Switzerland with Biafra or using Switz as a model to undermine the geographical dangers of Biafra is like comparing life and death.

As for Botswana, having a high human development index, it does not in any way signify a prosperous nation, is a calligraphy of deception smuggled in to make your argument relevant, individual citizens efforts can account for that more than the impact of the government, even if I choose to accept your position for the sake of argument, I can tell you that with Federal allocations and IGR to biafra in present Nigeria, has only a sh!t hole as results.



5. Nigeria needs to address the Biafran agitation in a mature and democratic way. We can learn from the Scottish and Catalan independence movements. Nobody is suppressing their rights to agitate and they are doing it democratically.

More info:
http://www.naijiant.com/articles/the-biafran-question/


I don't agree, Shehu Shagari deserves to be jailed for pardoning Ojukwu who started a political party APGA riding on Biafra sentiments, that was the genre of a new Biafra struggle in our democracy, as for Nnamdi Kanu and his cohorts, he must be tried for treasonable felony with a very long prison term, he must divulge the identity of all the IPOB leaders word wide and their locations, they must dismantle radio biafra and slap the brains behind that propaganda media minimum of 20yrs in the gallows, that is the only Biafran solution, till the plebeians in the east are sensible enough to agitate for a better cause.

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Re: How Nigeria Must Deal With Biafra - Cramjones by lanrex101: 1:26pm On Nov 03, 2015
Have you people (Igbos) forgotten the civil war that took about a million life of your people?
I'll advice you to stop endangering the life of your people.........

E já wó làpàn tí ò yooo
Re: How Nigeria Must Deal With Biafra - Cramjones by laudate: 1:35pm On Nov 03, 2015
Naijiant:
My brother,

The propaganda, hate and "tribalism" are on both sides of the debate. This is why I called for a mature and democratic approach to Biafran agitation from both sides.

You make a good point in reference to what I said about Botswana.

I have argued elsewhere that Nnamdi Kanu would not even recruit many sensible Igbos with his approach:
http://www.naijiant.com/articles/nnamdi-kanu-would-struggle-to-recruit-sensible-igbos/

I agree that the tribalism and hate propaganda exists on both sides, but the provocation is something else. With regards to having a mature and democratic approach to the Biafran agitation, well I wish you luck. The myopic mindset of many respondents would make that quite difficult to achieve. undecided

An NL member called Rossike started a thread a few weeks back. It was one of the most balanced and well-articulated threads on the Biafran issue.

What happened next? Some pro-Biafra e-warriors descended on the thread and before you could blink, the moderators closed the thread. I mean, they made it disappear into oblivion. sad

48 hours later Rossike opened another thread. Again, it was removed without any explanation. shocked This suggests that the mods were not being impartial. So where do you think this mature and democratic discussion would take place?? Certainly not on Nairaland. undecided

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Re: How Nigeria Must Deal With Biafra - Cramjones by Ephemmm: 1:44pm On Nov 03, 2015
dialfa:


Igboland is in Nigerdelta. We Igbos can never cede any part of our land to anybody based on the zoo created boundaries. If ijaws want to be alone, no Igbo will ever stop them but to term niger delta the exclusivity of ijaws or any other ogogoro drinking minority is asking for trouble.

Stop confusing tribes with zoo regions.

"If Ijaws want to be alone, no Igbo will ever stop them". Yet, When Isaac Adaka Boro wanted to form Ijaw Nation Republic in 1966 under the old Eastern region, it was Igbo Head of State Gen Agunyi Ironsi that fought him with a 12 day war.

Igbo and their hyprocrizy tongue tongue tongue

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Re: How Nigeria Must Deal With Biafra - Cramjones by jpphilips(m): 1:50pm On Nov 03, 2015
[quote author=MAYOWAAK post=39636476]
Ojukwu did not unilaterally declare Biafra even though he was the recognized military governor of the Eastern region. He was mandated to declare Biafra by the Eastern region house of assembly and if he had not declared Biafra he would have been taken out of the picture and his replacement would have declared Biafra.

Another History deficient student, how can the Eastern house of Assembly dissolved in 1966 as a result of the coup and decree 34 that ensued resurface to mandate Ojukwu a military administrator to declare Biafra in 1967?
This generation is so empty, little wonder Nnamdi Kanu could feast on you guys. How can a military administrator be over seeing a House of assembly? does that not prick your dumb brain for a second?
Empty baboons!!
Re: How Nigeria Must Deal With Biafra - Cramjones by jpphilips(m): 1:58pm On Nov 03, 2015
Rapture007:

U are simply half-educated. U tink the talk of Genocidal action by Federal Government led by YAKUBU GOWON against pple of former eastern region is just restricted to starvation? please go read about, Asaba Massacre, The killing of Igbos b4 the war started. I wouldnt tell ur about Awo's role in the whole war because it seems u knw little about it.Ur example of Boss-employee situation really showed u simply got the story about the war from ur ignorant and noisy elders.
Go to Job section and look for a way to get yourself somthing meaningful, u must not comment on evry post.

I think you completely misunderstood the point that guy was making, Asaba massacre, was during the war and the Pogrom was before the war, now if you bring all of them under the canopy of Genocides, where will you place Abagana massacre, perpetrated by the Biafrans and other scores of atrocities committed by the Biafrans in the Niger delta region?
Do you think that the SS/SE animosity started today? i dey laugh, grin grin grin ;Dkids of nowadays!!
Re: How Nigeria Must Deal With Biafra - Cramjones by Naijiant: 2:03pm On Nov 03, 2015
This is in response to JPPhillips.

You may want to read my post that you responded to in relation to the OP that I was replying to.

It may be “common sense” for the people of Cross River, Rivers, Bayela and Akwa Ibom to reject Biafra. My argument is that it is not for us (me, you, Cram Jones, or whoever) to reject it for them. My guess may be that they would reject Biafra, but I can’t state that categorically as a fact until they are asked.

You should read what the OP said about landlocked Biafra being a recipe for failure. My point is that just being landlocked is no guarantee of failure. So I pointed at successful landlocked countries. I didn’t claim Biafra would succeed. The claim is that being landlocked doesn’t mean you must fail. I have no interest in a debate about generating power b/c I am not an expert in the subject, but there are rivers in Anambra and Enugu and there is coal in Enugu too.

When Shagari pardoned Ojukwu, the latter joined the NPN and denounced Biafra. He formed APGA to run as president of Nigeria. Democratic principles dictate that people have a right for their views to be heard as long as it is within the law. There are people agitating for Texas to separate from the US. It is when you suppress debate and lawful forms of agitation that you allow demagogues like Nnamdi Kanu to prosper.

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Re: How Nigeria Must Deal With Biafra - Cramjones by CharleyCharley: 2:04pm On Nov 03, 2015
philcz:
Saw a map of the proposed biafra with a part of Benue state which is in the North Central included and i laughed.
NOTE: No Biafran should nurture the hope of including any part of Benue how ever small into this biafran project or else We'll show everyone once again how we denied Usman Danfodio entry into our land years ago and how we changed the course of the civil war.. Nigeria may be a zoo but we are the lions of this zoo...


You must be high on your grand mother's feces grin grin cheesy grin cheesy cheesy
Re: How Nigeria Must Deal With Biafra - Cramjones by jpphilips(m): 2:05pm On Nov 03, 2015
chudyboy05:
Trainings is ongoing and many have been recruited and very soon #Nnamdi Kanu will be the one smiling and laughing to the zoo govt. We are not going back cos our eyes don open and Biafra is what we want. No zoo called Nigeria for us again. We want to put things together for the future ones to come cos this old politicians don't give a dame for thew zoo future. All Hail#Biafra umu Chukwu Okike Abiama

Kangaroos feeling important, grin grin grin grin grin grin

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Re: How Nigeria Must Deal With Biafra - Cramjones by laudate: 2:08pm On Nov 03, 2015
jpphilips:
As for Botswana, having a high human development index, it does not in any way signify a prosperous nation, is a calligraphy of deception smuggled in to make your argument relevant, individual citizens efforts can account for that more than the impact of the government, even if I choose to accept your position for the sake of argument, I can tell you that with Federal allocations and IGR to biafra in present Nigeria, has only a sh!t hole as results.

While I agree with a lot of what you have said, I beg to disagree with the part you posted above. There is no calligraphy of deception anywhere, when it comes to Botswana. That country has a high human development index and where you have a high HDI, it usually translates into corresponding increase in economic and commercial growth. Their population is quite small, and concentrated along the coastal areas.

If you have ever visited Botswana, you would discover that their inter-city and intra-city road network as well as their infrastructure is one of the best in Africa.

The only problem is that many of their citizens do not share the same capacity for hard work that a lot of Nigerians, have. undecided

ECONOMY OF BOTSWANA

Since independence, Botswana has had the highest average economic growth rate in the world, averaging about 9% per year from 1966 to 1999. Growth in private sector employment has averaged about 10% per annum over the first 30 years of independence.

At the start of the 21st century, however, the economy of Botswana stagnated up until the early 2010s when it registered for the first time since the economic boom a GDP growth up above the 6-7% target. Botswana is also commended for the site of Africa's longest and among the world's longest economic booms (which almost surpassed that in Asia's largest economies). The relatively high quality of the country's statistics means that these figures are likely to be quite accurate. The government has consistently maintained budget surpluses and has extensive foreign exchange reserves.

Botswana's impressive economic record has been built on a foundation of diamond mining, prudent fiscal policies, international financial and technical assistance, and a cautious foreign policy. It is rated the least corrupt country in Africa, according to international corruption watchdog, Transparency International. By one estimate, it has the fourth highest gross national income at purchasing power parity in Africa, giving it a standard of living around that of Mexico and Turkey. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Botswana
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The southern African nation of Botswana has defied the global economic downturn of the 2007-2009 great recession. Instead, it exemplifies the recent transition of economic growth in favor of low-income countries as it jumped from recording one of the world's lowest per capita income figures of $70 to a middle-income level category of $16,300 within a few decades.

Botswana is leaning towards becoming the Singapore or Hong Kong of southern Africa. More importantly, Botswana's progression of economic growthmanship has become the envy of its neighbors, as well as a source of inspiration, which they should consider emulating.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nake-m-kamrany/botswana-economic-growth_b_2069226.html
Re: How Nigeria Must Deal With Biafra - Cramjones by aminaadamu(f): 2:12pm On Nov 03, 2015
Radiobiafra during the evening broadcast yesterday announced that the Millions man March will be on coming Friday, 6th of Novemeber, 2015. According to the Head of Directorate of Biafra embassy located in Spain. He said the protest will be on the creating awareness on the dother termination of Biafra to become a sovereign state and protest the continued extrajudicial detention of the IPOB leader, Nnamdi Kanu.

According to him, this will be done in all Biafra cities including SE, SS, Igbanke, Idoma, Igalla, etc.

We are watching... shocked

Source: RadioBiafra Anchored by Deputy Director Alphonsus Uche-Mefor.
Re: How Nigeria Must Deal With Biafra - Cramjones by laudate: 2:12pm On Nov 03, 2015
jpphilips:
I think you completely misunderstood the point that guy was making, Asaba massacre, was during the war and the Pogrom was before the war, now if you bring all of them under the canopy of Genocides, where will you place Abagana massacre, perpetrated by the Biafrans and other scores of atrocities committed by the Biafrans in the Niger delta region?
Do you think that the SS/SE animosity started today? i dey laugh, grin grin grin ;Dkids of nowadays!!

According to the Biafrans, the Abagana massacre never happened, or it remains "unsubstantiated." sad
Re: How Nigeria Must Deal With Biafra - Cramjones by laudate: 2:15pm On Nov 03, 2015
aminaadamu:
Radiobiafra during the evening broadcast yesterday announced that the Millions man March will be on coming Friday, 6th of Novemeber, 2015. According to the Head of Directorate of Biafra embassy located in Spain. He said the protest will be on the creating awareness on the dother termination of Biafra to become a sovereign state and protest the continued extrajudicial detention of the IPOB leader, Nnamdi Kanu.

According to him, this will be done in all Biafra cities including SE, SS, Igbanke, Idoma, Igalla, etc.

We are watching... shocked

Source: RadioBiafra Anchored by Deputy Director Alphonsus Uche-Mefor.

I feel sorry for them, if they try it in Igala land.
Re: How Nigeria Must Deal With Biafra - Cramjones by Nobody: 2:17pm On Nov 03, 2015
belente:
when it is time for any event to happen, no power on earth can stop it

just talking any how, is it your greedy and selfish leaders that will actualize it, ur so called director only wants power , once he gets it he will behave worse that the govs or abia and imo.

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Re: How Nigeria Must Deal With Biafra - Cramjones by jpphilips(m): 2:19pm On Nov 03, 2015
[quote author=Naijiant post=39642107]This is in response to JPPhillips.

You may want to read my post that you responded to in relation to the OP that I was replying to.

It may be “common sense” for the people of Cross River, Rivers, Bayela and Akwa Ibom to reject Biafra. My argument is that it is not for us (me, you, Cram Jones, or whoever) to reject it for them. My guess may be that they would reject Biafra, but I can’t state that categorically as a fact until they are asked.

We don't need to ask them, the foundation of Biafra did not accommodate them, maybe you need to go and read the laws the Biafran miscreants are quoting to understand why SS does not qualify under the law, I am ruling them out based on the guidelines for a UN backed referendum, simple!! what is there to ask them again? are you not educated? didn't you read the terms of the camp David accord for the Palestine? did not you read how the Kurds failed under the same law? what makes you think UN will grow stup!d over night to accommodate the Biafrans?


You should read what the OP said about landlocked Biafra being a recipe for failure. My point is that just being landlocked is no guarantee of failure. So I pointed at successful landlocked countries. I didn’t claim Biafra would succeed. The claim is that being landlocked doesn’t mean you must fail. I have no interest in a debate about generating power b/c I am not an expert in the subject, but there are rivers in Anambra and Enugu and there is coal in Enugu too.

A landlocked Biafra is a disaster only people with no idea how the real world works think otherwise.


When Shagari pardoned Ojukwu, the latter joined the NPN and denounced Biafra. He formed APGA to run as president of Nigeria. Democratic principles dictate that people have a right for their views to be heard as long as it is within the law. There are people agitating for Texas to separate from the US. It is when you suppress debate and lawful forms of agitation that you allow demagogues like Nnamdi Kanu to prosper.


Ojukwu ran APGA peter Obi's 2003 campaign on Biafra sentiments, if you are not aware or you did not follow up you ask questions, that is the right thing to do, that moment was when Ojukwu should be arrested for violating his pardon the Shagari part was a joke.
Re: How Nigeria Must Deal With Biafra - Cramjones by Nobody: 2:20pm On Nov 03, 2015
dialfa:
see this zoo man
instead of planning how to liberate your oduduwa from fulani occupation you wan get headache for another man matter and are providing advice to perpetuate the zoo
you dirty lot really love your zoo


looking at the present state of affairs in south eastern states like abia, imo , enugu one wonders what biafra will look like a real animal kingdom.

With the highest manifestations of thuggery, robbery and every known negative vice on this planet, it was this s.estern people who gave nigerian the bad reps they have globally.
Re: How Nigeria Must Deal With Biafra - Cramjones by jpphilips(m): 2:24pm On Nov 03, 2015
laudate:


According to the Biafrans, the Abagana massacre never happened, or it remains "unsubstantiated." sad

According to Biafrans, who exactly? I don't deal with Ghosts
Re: How Nigeria Must Deal With Biafra - Cramjones by ChristDeKing(m): 2:26pm On Nov 03, 2015
THIS IS NO BIG DEAL,IF U THINK THAT THIS PEOPLE ARE NOT FRUITFUL TO UR GOVERNMENT,WHY RE U NOT LETTING THEM GO?...................JUST AS IT WAS IN THE DAYS OF PHAROH AND MOSES SO SHALL IT BE IN ONE OF THIS COMING DAYS.............DONT FORGET ,DESTINY CAN ONLY BE DELAYED BUT CANNOT BE DENIED,SURELY IT MUST COME.
Re: How Nigeria Must Deal With Biafra - Cramjones by laudate: 2:26pm On Nov 03, 2015
jpphilips:
Another History deficient student, how can the Eastern house of Assembly dissolved in 1966 as a result of the coup and decree 34 that ensued resurface to mandate Ojukwu a military administrator to declare Biafra in 1967?
This generation is so empty, little wonder Nnamdi Kanu could feast on you guys. How can a military administrator be over seeing a House of assembly? does that not prick your dumb brain for a second?
Empty baboons!!

Guy, why resort to name calling?? I don't get it, o! You can make your point without being disrespectful. The only time you should take your gloves off, is when someone has provoked you or used foul words on you first.

Anyway, Ojukwu set up something called an Eastern Consultative Assembly. The membership was drawn or hand-picked by him from various tribes that make up the old Eastern region.

They were the ones who gave Ojukwu the mandate to go ahead and prosecute the war.

NDIGBO, OJUKWU & BIAFRA: WHERE DID WE GO WRONG (PART II) by Osita H. Olisa | Nigeriaworld.com

... .To pursue and grab this machiavellian power to its logical conclusion, "Your Excellency, the People's General, EZE GBURU-GBURU NDIGBO," had first to provide credible instrument of cover so that Ndigbo would see things not as they are, but how Ikemba wanted them to see things. Eastern Nigeria Consultative Assembly was the consequence. Eastern consultative assembly was created as a ploy instrument and diabolical cover with the pretext of giving itself the appearance of legitimacy and authenticity as representative voice of the masses.

Would it be any surprise that Eastern Nigerian Consultative Assembly was populated with hand-picked rubber-stamp stooges. Some of these hand-picked members of Eastern Consultative Assembly were in every shape, manner and respect analogous to their carbon-copies of the distant past during the dark era of slavery in African history.....

Majority members of Eastern Consultative Assembly were simpletons and crass illiterate local chiefs who can barely discern their left form right. How troubling and infuriating that these Eastern Consultative Assembly members were the people that mandated "Your Excellency, the People's General, EZE GBURU-GBURU NDIGBO" the authority to declare Sovereign Republic of Biafra.

Would it be any wonder how these people with limited intellectual abilities and gravitas would understand the implications and intricacies of secession project they were handpicked to midwife, legislate and give birth to...? http://nigeriaworld.com/articles/2003/aug/253.html

On the evening of Saturday, May 27th, 1967 the joint session of the enlarged Consultative Assembly and the Advisory Committee of Chiefs and Elders, after full deliberation, passed a resolution the text of which is as follows:

“WE, THE CHIEFS, Elders and Representatives of Eastern Nigeria, gathered at this Joint Meeting of the Advisory Committee of Chiefs and Elders and the Consultative Assembly do solemnly declare as follows:

..... WHEREAS the Federation of Nigeria has forfeited any ‘claim to our allegiance by these acts and by the economic, political, and diplomatic sanctions imposed against us by the Federal Government.

“AND WHEREAS the object of government is the good of governed and the will of the people its ultimate sanction;

Now, THEREFORE, in consideration of these arid other facts and injustices, we, the Chiefs, Elders and Representatives of all the Twenty Provinces of Eastern Nigeria, assembled in this Joint Meeting of the Advisory Committee of Chiefs ‘and Elders and the Consultative Assembly, at Enugu this 27th day of May, 1967, we: hereby solemnly:

(a)MANDATE His Excellency Lt.- Col. Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu, Military Governor of Eastern Nigeria to declare at the earliest practicable date Eastern Nigeria a free, sovereign and independent state by the name and title of the REPUBLIC OF BIAFRA.

(b) RESOLVE that the new REPUBLIC OF BIAFRA shall have the full and absolute powers of a sovereign state, and shall establish, commerce, levy war, conclude peace, enter into diplomatic relations, and carry out, as of right, other sovereign respon­sibilities.

(c)DIRECT that the REPUBLIC OF BIAFRA may enter into arrange­ment with any sovereign unit or units in what remains of Nigeria or in any part of Africa desirous of association with us for the purpose of running a common services organization and for the establishment of economic ties.

(d) RECOMMEND that the REPUBLIC OF BIAFRA should become a member of the Commonwealth of Nations, the Organization of African Unity and the United Nations Organization

(e) RECOMMEND the adoption of a Federal Constitution based on the new provincial units

(f) RE-AFFIRM HIS Excellency’s assurance of protection for the persons, properties and businesses of foreign nationals in our territory.

(g) DECLARE our unqualified confidence in the Military Governor of Eastern Nigeria, Lt.-Col. Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu, and assure him of our unreserved support for the way and manner he had handled the crisis in the country.

So help us God.” http://www./biafra_proclamation.htm
Re: How Nigeria Must Deal With Biafra - Cramjones by chiedu7: 2:30pm On Nov 03, 2015
[size=14pt]A Secret Service man of the United Kingdom & Famous Author Fredick Forsyth ,
accuses Nigeria of genocide against Biafra during the Civil War.[/size]

Fredick Forsyth say's that at least 1 million children were died during the civil war , this is genocide.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dufe3hVRkfw
Re: How Nigeria Must Deal With Biafra - Cramjones by chukxy44(m): 2:33pm On Nov 03, 2015
Honestly, who really wants Biafra? I would gladly like to engage anyone who truly wants Biafra basically all I see are people with internet time and data clamouring for what they don't even understand.

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Re: How Nigeria Must Deal With Biafra - Cramjones by laudate: 2:36pm On Nov 03, 2015
chiedu7:
[size=14pt]A Secret Service man of the United Kingdom & Famous Author Fredick Forsyth ,
accuses Nigeria of genocide against Biafra during the Civil War.[/size]

Fredick Forsyth say's that at least 1 million children were died during the civil war , this is genocide.

Guy, Forsyth was on Ojukwu's payroll. So what would you expect him to say? Forsyth was not impartial. He was the one that wrote Ojukwu's biography titled "EMEKA". Frederick Forsyth wrote about his friend Colonel Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu, in 1982 while the book was reprinted by Spectrum Books in Nigeria, in 1991.

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