scholes0:


What do you mean one more Yoruba word similar to Wahala?
the word is originally Arabic!

But I can give you a million original hausa words similar to that. And did you not say you modified it to suit your tongue because the original word isnt compatible with your language? Smh

Phut:


O di kwa egwu.

Akamu is 100% Igbo and means pap. The Yoruba word for pap is Ogi. Surely, you know this Scholes0. This goes back to what I said before. Once a word becomes mainstream in pidgin, you guys try to claim it as Yoruba. Oyibo means White in Igbo. Igbo people even answer it as a surname.
Agidi is Igbo for cornmeal. Agidi is the word that is used in pidgin English. Egidi is irrelevant, in this context.

Carry on.

Akamu Exists in both Languages, as I have just discovered.
Same as Egidi/Agidi.

https://books.google.ca/books?id=OiynbBvMblcC&pg=PA157&lpg=PA157&dq=Akamu+Yoruba+igbo&source=bl&ots=m60pxe8hgw&sig=LulHIZcjrPGSU9nMsPOa9aLNfjw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCsQ6AEwA2oVChMIyYjNkqb6yAIViRkeCh2bOQP5#v=onepage&q=Akamu%20Yoruba%20igbo&f=false

VoslerGrimsbane:


But I can give you a million original hausa words similar to that. And did you not say you modified it to suit your tongue because the original word isnt compatible with your language? Smh

You gave me a million Hausa words similar to "Wahla"?
Please where was that?

scholes0:


You gave me a million Hausa words similar to "Wahla"?
Please where was that?

Another thread that exposes your deceit.

https://www.nairaland.com/1000371/word-wahala-it-yorubahausa-ibo


I said I can. And I will, give me a minute to put it all together

scholes0:


What do you mean one more Yoruba word similar to Wahala?
the word is originally Arabic!

Why did you claim earlier that Akamu is Yoruba word for pap?

Akamu = Pap in Igbo
Ogi is Pap in Yoruba.

You know this and yet chose to misinform people. This is how Language theft starts. 20 years from now, your children and my children will now be on the Internet arguing about the origin of Akamu

Phut:


Why did you claim earlier that Akamu is Yoruba word for pap?

Akamu = Pap in Igbo
Ogi is Pap in Yoruba.

You know this and yet chose to misinform people. This is how Language theft starts. 20 years from now, your children and my children will now be on the Internet arguing about the origin of Akamu

Both Akamu, Eko and Ogi mean the same thing (Pap) Yoruba.
The Usage of Ogi is more Popular, as that is Central Yoruba (CY)

The Yoruba etymology for Akamu is from "Oka" which means Corn, and "Mu" which means to drink.
I know, because right among the grannies in my village, it is called Akamu. And these people haven't been exposed to any people but Yorubas.

Akamu is also used in Hausa as well. Though I am clueless as to its origins. I know it's definitely not ours, it's not our food.

VoslerGrimsbane:


Another thread that exposes your deceit.

https://www.nairaland.com/1000371/word-wahala-it-yorubahausa-ibo


I said I can. And I will, give me a minute to put it all together

You said it yourself earlier, that Hausas borrowed Wahala from Arabic.

scholes0:


You said it yourself earlier, that Hausas borrowed Wahala from Arabic.

I'm not denying it. We borrowed wahl. What did you borrow, wahl or wahala?

funmijoyb:
Yeeeebos must u focefully attached to other people's culture and hate yours?

Here are the words igbo writers claims is theirs all over the internet:

1.Oyinbo or Oyibo; Peeled skin or white Animals
2. Akata; Wild, Sturborn, black American or Nigerian American
3.Ogbeni Mr Man
4.Ashewo, asewo or Ashawo.
5.Wahala Problem
6.Abi; "Question mark"
7.Shebi; is it?
8.Pele; please
9.Omo; Child
10.Oja; Market
11.Shey is it?
12.Mumu
13, Ode

More

onye ara na akpo onye ara ibe ya onye ara na ebe ha na apu ara...

Onijagidijagan:

What is this one saying? u r full of bigots.
firstly u said more igbos r in d North than S.West(only a fool frm d bush our someone outside Nigeria will say such).
D yoruba people speaking ibos r very few compare to d ibos speaking in yoruba. they find it easier than other languages.

Do u knw after English, pidgin Yoruba is d next language in Nigeria?

Mammoth population of Hausa, Fulani, Igala, Itsekiri,Binis speaks it often.but d igbo people speak it more than any other tribes in Nigeria. each state in South west has atleast 3million igbo and most of them speak igbo language.

For example, my church English to yoruba 8nterpreter/translator is an igbo woman.

Ondo-state Yoruba news casters Radio and TV are all Igbos also, igbos are Yoruba lecturers in Universities in USA and UK.

Ndiigbo are versatile and business oriented people, once an Igbo man settles in a place, he strives to learn the language of the people and assimilate into the local environment, he wants the locals to see him as one of them, to enable him get more patronage from them in his business.

My mother was born in Kano, both she and her other siblings were raised in the North, and they all speak flawless Kano Hausa with all the accent that comes with it, till today.

It's the same for Igbos who reside in Edo or Yorubaland, or even any part of the world. They learn to be fluent with the local language for business and safety purposes.

Only Igbos who stay in Yorubaland learn and speak Yoruba, just as those in the North learn and speak Hausa.
Those of us in the SE find Yoruba language too raw and harsh to the ears, and wouldn't want to learn it for anything at all.

VoslerGrimsbane:


I'm not denying it. We borrowed wahl. What did you borrow, wahl or wahala?

Good!
That is a step in the right direction.

Now, are you implying that Since Hausas borrowed it from Arabic, the Yoruba usage MUST have had to come from Hausa? Because Yoruba has a lot of words borrowed from Arabic as well.

I gave you the usage the example of Camel (Rakunmi), a word Yorubas borrowed from HAUSA. The Arabic word for Camel is something entirely different.
While there are others like WAHALA (Trouble) from Arabic "Wahla", and ABERE (Needle) from Arabic "Abra" . which Yorubas borrowed directly from Arabic.

Arabic-basl hausa Albasa Yoruba Alubosa


Arabic-naf hausa Amfani Yoruba Anfani


Arabic fatil hausa fitila Yoruba fitila

Arabic sir hausa asiri Yoruba asiri




Scholes0 care to elaborate?

VoslerGrimsbane:
Arabic-basl hausa Albasa Yoruba Alubosa


Arabic-naf hausa Amfani Yoruba Anfani


Arabic fatil hausa fitila Yoruba fitila

Arabic sir hausa asiri Yoruba asiri




Scholes0 care to elaborate?

MANY MANY language groups in West Africa, for example the Wolofs and Mandes call Onion Al-basa ... from Arabic
Call lamp Pitirla or Fitila, from Arabic, call secret Asiri, from the same Arabic..... You think All of West Africa copied these words from Hausa? lol

scholes0:


MANY MANY language groups in West Africa, for example the Wolofs and Mandes call Onion Al-basa ... from Arabic
Call lamp Pitirla or Fitila, from Arabic, call secret Asiri, from the same Arabic..... You think All of West Africa copied these words from Hausa? lol

It's possible. We were pretty awesome back in those days, we still are. Wolofs and mandes are Fulbe (Fulani) clans or closely related to them are they not?

Meanwhile, how will you explain any other African language other than hausa influencing your language. Getting to them means going through hausa states, I dont think hausas have had any proper contact with yoruba's before the 19th century.


Please, just please.... Admit the truth. Again I have no problem with you using it, but don't you dare claim precedence over it, just as Igbos don't own these words, neither do you.

VoslerGrimsbane:


It's possible. We were pretty awesome back in those days, we still are. Wolofs and mandes are Fulbe (Fulani) clans or closely related to them are they not?

Meanwhile, how will you explain any other African language other than hausa influencing your language. Getting to them means going through hausa states, I dont think hausas have had any proper contact with yoruba's before the 19th century.


Please, just please.... Admit the truth. Again I have no problem with you using it, but don't you dare claim precedence over it, just as Igbos don't own these words, neither do you.

The same way Yorubas had contact with Wangaras (Soninke traders), and Fulanis without Hausas being in the picture at the time.

scholes0:


The same way Yorubas had contact with Wangaras (Soninke traders), and Fulanis without Hausas being in the picture at the time.

Loooool! Who told you the hausas weren't in the picture? When did this contact occur? Smh. But we're not talking about the soninkes now are we. Is there any language similarities between you and them?

VoslerGrimsbane:


Loooool! Who told you the hausas weren't in the picture? When did this contact occur? Smh. But we're not talking about the soninkes now are we. Is there any language similarities between you and them?

Yorubas border the Borgu (Baribas) of West Central Nigeria (Western Kwara and Northern Benin) - This area was under the Dendi kingdom of the Songhais, and that was where the Wangaras came in into Old Oyo.
You seem to think Hausaland is the only way Yorubas could have had contact with Arabs or Northern Africa... Wrong.

Feeling sleepy already, come back tomorrow.

scholes0:


Yorubas border the Borgu (Baribas) of West Central Nigeria (Western Kwara and Northern Benin) - This area was under the Dendi kingdom of the Songhais, and that was where the Wangaras came in into Old Oyo.
You seem to think Hausaland is the only way Yorubas could have had contact with Arabs or Northern Africa... Wrong.

Feeling sleepy already, come back tomorrow.

It's morning here. Please I need to know more about this Wangara contact. Btw, Wangaras are Africans. And my point wasn't about Arabs. You suggested other African languages. All of whom you have no history with. My point is how did they influence your language?

I can't believe I'm engaging such stupidity

Bye.

VoslerGrimsbane:

Loooool! Who told you the hausas weren't in the picture? When did this contact occur? Smh. But we're not talking about the soninkes now are we. Is there any language similarities between you and them?

guy hausas have had contact with pretty much of the sahelian tribes from soninke,wolof,etc as early as 11 ,or ,12 century...

And also since you guys claimed hausa and yoruba copied the word from arabic.. so that means the first person that had contact with arabs spread it all over.. and I dont need to tell you who had the contact first

Hardship or problem in arabic is not wahala.. wahala is not yoruba word but hausa

Al miskila is the word for trouble in arabic... wahala is not the word for trouble in arabic... because I can't borrow a word and use it differently for other objects

Some yoruba words borrowed from hausa
Wahala trouble hardship
Laifi fault
Massalaci mosque
Rakumi camel
Gabas east
Kudu or gusu south
Alafia or lafia peace
Dede or daidai equally and many more

scholes0:


Akamu Exists in both Languages, as I have just discovered.
Same as Egidi/Agidi.

https://books.google.ca/books?id=OiynbBvMblcC&pg=PA157&lpg=PA157&dq=Akamu+Yoruba+igbo&source=bl&ots=m60pxe8hgw&sig=LulHIZcjrPGSU9nMsPOa9aLNfjw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCsQ6AEwA2oVChMIyYjNkqb6yAIViRkeCh2bOQP5#v=onepage&q=Akamu%20Yoruba%20igbo&f=false

Akamu is an Igbo word for pap. The Yorubas call it 'eko'. In your thinking, you would also claim okro as Yoruba because it is popular all over Nigeria, forgetting that the Yoruba native name is 'ila asepo' or something like that. Ogbono, Egwusi, Okwuru (mis-spelt as okro in English), Agidi etc are all Igbo words.

scholes0:


Both Akamu, Eko and Ogi mean the same thing (Pap) Yoruba.
The Usage of Ogi is more Popular, as that is Central Yoruba (CY)

The Yoruba etymology for Akamu is from "Oka" which means Corn, and "Mu" which means to drink.
I know, because right among the grannies in my village, it is called Akamu. And these people haven't been exposed to any people but Yorubas.

Corn in Igbo language is 'oka'. Isn't corn in Yoruba supposed to be 'agbado' or something? Why are you suddenly ignoring the central yoruba words for these items, which are supposed to be the standard Yoruba words for those items, and claiming the Igbo words as yours?

Please, akamu is not a Yoruba word. Stop this language theft. Agidi also is not Yoruba. In Igboland, there are 2 different types of Agidi, the white agidi and the reddish type called Agidi Jollof. I never liked Agidi for one day but I grew up hearing my grandmothers refer to it as only Agidi. Igbos have just one word for Agidi and Akamu, Yorubas have multiple of them indicating a borrowing of these words into the language. Just as they borrowed wahala from Arabic. Languages often borrow from one another and your people may have borrowed the word from the popular Nigerian usage which comes from Igbo.

Do not let me school you on the seniority of the Igbo civilization over the Yoruba civilization. Because if I am ready, it will take up the entire next 3 pages of this thread.

Yorubas cannot even provide proof that these words are theirs. Most popular soups and food in Nigeria today are all of Igbo origin: Ogbono, Egwusi, Okwuru, Ora, Okazi, Utazi etc.

Or maybe you'll tell me that 'love wan tin tin' (from love nwa nti nti in Igbo) in some Yorubas songs nowadays is Yoruba too?

pazienza:


Ndiigbo are versatile and business oriented people, once an Igbo man settles in a place, he strives to learn the language of the people and assimilate into the local environment, he wants the locals to see him as one of them, to enable him get more patronage from them in his business.

My mother was born in Kano, both she and her other siblings were raised in the North, and they all speak flawless Kano Hausa with all the accent that comes with it, till today.

It's the same for Igbos who reside in Edo or Yorubaland, or even any part of the world. They learn to be fluent with the local language for business and safety purposes.

Only Igbos who stay in Yorubaland learn and speak Yoruba, just as those in the North learn and speak Hausa.
Those of us in the SE find Yoruba language too raw and harsh to the ears, and wouldn't want to learn it for anything at all.

is too hash but is d language ur tribe speaks most in Nigeria.

This is the problem with Nigeria.... Tribalistic issues that do not make sense. Really Nigeria needs to tackle this issue first before any other like corruption and the rest. This is slowly eating us up! I taya sha. Abeg one house.. No hating. Let us learn to love ourselves. Una doh.

funmijoyb:
Yeeeebos must u focefully attached to other people's culture and hate yours?

Here are the words igbo writers claims is theirs all over the internet:

1.Oyinbo or Oyibo; Peeled skin or white Animals
2. Akata; Wild, Sturborn, black American or Nigerian American
3.Ogbeni Mr Man
4.Ashewo, asewo or Ashawo.
5.Wahala Problem
6.Abi; "Question mark"
7.Shebi; is it?
8.Pele; please
9.Omo; Child
10.Oja; Market
11.Shey is it?
12.Mumu
13, Ode

More

idiotic fool

Oyinbo is yolubu while oyibo is igbo, igbos from anambra enugu delta igbos will say oyibo while imo and Abia States will say bekee

I havent even hear igbos saying akata or ogbeni is igbo

For asawo we have akwuna, in fact you are an slowpoke

There are thousands of igbo words used in pidgin but we don't see igbos shouting eg tey which is used in pidgin like guy e Don tey oo
Even Chai, gbam, owu

Etc
Typing from Android phone hard o, chai

As far as im concerned, google and my iPhone dic proved dis... Proud Yoruba bwoi we d best everywhere... Y'all biafras keep on coming to lagos to claim tinz we kno ye tiffs.. Derris enough space for yall dumb asses in festac.. Ps stop claiming lagos as ur state...

bigfrancis21:


This debate has been had on nairaland before and have provided the link below:

Oyibo has always been the word for white man used by the Igbos since, at least, the 17th century. And no, the Igbos did not borrow it from the Yorubas. It is often said that the word "oyibo" itself was a nickname given to Europeans by Igbo people since they found it difficult to pronounce "onye Igbo" and instead said "oyi ibo" when referring to Igbos. The earliest record of the Igbo usage of the word can be found in Olaudah Equiano's book where he mentioned that his people referred to 'red-skinned' men as 'oyeeboe'. Note, this was at a time when there was barely any contact between the Igbos on the east and Yorubas on the west and both areas were separated by the Bini kingdom located in between. Also, a christian missionary in old Aboh kingdom, an Igbo-speaking kingdom in modern-day Delta Igbo, wrote of his experienced and noted that the people often referred to him as 'oeboe'. This published evidence proves that the Igbos have been using 'Oyibo' since the last 300 years.

On the other hand, there is no evidence that Oyibo is of Yoruba origin. Being sister languages, Igbo and Yoruba share so many similar words in common such as nti/eti for ear, mmili/omi for water, okwute/okuta for stone/rock etc. Proper, Oyinbo can be said to be the Yoruba way of pronunciation and 'Oyibo' the Igbo word for the same thing. 'Peeled skin' meaning whatever is not a definitive basis for your conclusion.

Even more evidencing is the fact that across several tribes in southern Nigeria, the word for a European person is 'Oyibo' except only in Yoruba land where it is 'Oyinbo'. The Igalas who are said to have a Yoruboid language even use 'Oyibo' and not 'Oyinbo'.

At best, it can be said that Oyibo is Igbo pronunciation, Oyinbo is Yoruba pronunciation. Just as Igbos have 'gini' and Yorubas have 'kini'.

No lies, no bigotry

Probably the smartest thing you've posted on nairaland.

Drchristian:

you are crazy, Albasa is an Arabic word
Wahala is not hausa word but Arabic with yoruba's intonation
Oyibo is not igbo word.
you need a prove? ask an hausa man. all wot u ibos wrote on internet are all false.

Whether it's arabic or not. . Hausa speakers or maybe Songhai introduced the word to Yoruba traders

There's no shame in borrowing some words from other languages, it infact proves how big your contact with the world is