Muslim (1:30) - "The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah."

Could our muslim brethen come and explain this verse properly for us as I don't want to be accused of misinterpreting it.

Demmzy15 lexiconkabir rilwayne001 please I need a non al taquiya interpretation for the verse above.

Annunaki:
Demmzy...15 lex.iconkabir rilwayne...001 please I need a non al taquiya interpretation for the verse above.

Do you think you just quoted a quranic verse? see, what you dont know is bigger than you.

lexiconkabir:
Do you think you just quoted a quranic verse? see, what you dont know is bigger than you.

Since I don't know it, why don't you be a good muslim and explain it to me?

Annunaki:


Since I don't know it, why don't you be a good muslim and explain it to me?

The arabic word translated to "fight" there is "jihad" which means "strive" now "jihad" has been mistranslated for "holywar" whereas its one of the biggest lies invented against islam, jihad is never near to holywar, as a muslim i do jihad against my flesh, what do i mean here? i strive against my flesh and this duniya(worldly things), infact the biggest jihad a muslim can attain is against himself, because it is very difficult to depart from the things of the duniya(world). now the arabic word that could mean "kill", "waging war", "fight", et al is "Qatal" and "Qatal" wasnt used in that hadith. having said this(i am assuming you know the meaning of strive), the messenger of Allah was commanded to call people to the oneness of Allah, now this wasnt an easy task to do, so the prophet kept striving hard and harder until people accepted monotheism, i hope you understand this. salam!

lexiconkabir:
The arabic word translated to "fight" there is "jihad" which means "strive" now "jihad" has been mistranslated for "holywar" whereas its one of the biggest lies invented against islam, jihad is never near to holywar, as a muslim i do jihad against my flesh, what do i mean here? i strive against my flesh and this duniya(worldly things), infact the biggest jihad a muslim can attain is against himself, because it is very difficult to depart from the things of the duniya(world). now the arabic word that could mean "kill", "waging war", "fight", et al is "Qatal" and "Qatal" wasnt used in that hadith. having said this(i am assuming you know the meaning of strive), the messenger of Allah was commanded to call people to the oneness of Allah, now this wasnt an easy task to do, so the prophet kept striving hard and harder until people accepted monotheism, i hope you understand this. salam!

Thanx for your explanation but how do you contrast what you stated with the sunnah of mohamed as recorded in the sahih hadiths were he was actually recorded to have imposed islam on non believers by the sword.

Allah(s.w.t) said:"O ye who believe! stand out firmly(jihad) for God, as witnesses to fair dealing, and let not the hatred of others to you make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just: that is next to piety: and fear God. For God is well-acquainted with all that ye do. (The Noble Quran, 5:" SubhanAllah! if you read the quran with sincerity, seeing the eloquence, stern wordings and all, if you ponder about its meanings, on getting the intended message can make tears run down your cheeks. Sincere muslims weep when listening to the verses of the Quran.

Annunaki:


Thanx for your explanation but how do you contrast what you stated with the sunnah of mohamed as recorded in the sahih hadiths were he was actually recorded to have imposed islam on non believers by the sword.

pls provide them! and lets analyse the ahadith going through its right context, we would come to know the main reason why such wars were fought.

lexiconkabir:
Allah(s.w.t) said:"O ye who believe! stand out firmly(jihad) for God, as witnesses to fair dealing, and let not the hatred of others to you make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just: that is next to piety: and fear God. For God is well-acquainted with all that ye do. (The Noble Quran, 5:" SubhanAllah! if you read the quran with sincerity, seeing the eloquence, stern wordings and all, if you ponder about its meanings, on getting the intended message can make tears run down your cheeks. Sincere muslims weep when listening to the verses of the Quran.

I also weep when I read the verses of the quoran, I weep that fellow human beings are deluded enough to believe such evil writings are from the creator.

Annunaki:


[s]I also weep when I read the verses of the quoran, I weep that fellow human beings are deluded enough to believe such evil writings are from the creator.[/s]

was that all you saw from that verse, i thought you wanted to have a healthy discussion

lexiconkabir:
pls provide them! and lets analyse the ahadith going through its right context, we would come to know the main reason such wars was fought.

Can you start by explaining to us why mohamed beheaded 900 captive Jews?

lexiconkabir:
was that all you saw from that verse, i thought you wanted to have a healthy discussion

Yes I want a healthy discussion devoid of al taqquiya

Annunaki:


Yes I want a healthy discussion devoid of al taqquiya

Then you shouldnt use words carelessly, be as objective as possible.

[b]Now i will love to answer this hollistically, those jews are called Bani Quraytha. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), when he first settled at Medina, had patched up treaties with the Jews and guaranteed peace and full freedom of life, property and conscience. But when the Quraish wrote to them a threatening and inciting letter, they turned treacherous. The Holy Prophet(peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) tried to get the treaty renewed. The Banu Nadir refused and they were banished. The Banu Quraytha concluded a fresh treaty and they were granted peace. These facts have been narrated briefly in Sahih Muslim in the following words: "As reported by 'Abdullah Ibn 'Umar, the Jews of the Banu Nadir and the Quraytha fought with the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) banished the Banu Nadir but allowed the Banu Quraiza to stay on and showed them favours"[/b] TBC.

Continuation..... When the Banu Nadir had been banished, their leading chiefs, Huyayy Ibn Akhtab, Abu Rafi and Sallam Ibn Abi Al Huquaiq had migrated to Khaibar and got recognised as leading chiefs. The battle of the Trenches was but the results of their machinations. They travelled far and near agitating the tribes till the whole country rose up in arms and attacked Medina in alliance with the Quraish. The Jews of the Banu Quraytha had a mind to stick to the treaty, but Huyayy Ibn Akhtab won them over with his guiles, promising to re establish himself at Medina in case the Quraish abandoned the attack; and this promise he fulfilled. The Banu Quraytha openly took sides in the battle of the Trenches; and when repulsed, brought the greatest enemy of Islam, Huyayy Ibn Akhtab with them. Now there was no way out for the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) but to settle accoutns with them once for all. TBC.

[b]Muhammad (peace be upon him) deputed Sa'd b. Mu'adh and Sa'd b. 'Ubadah to negotiate with them and persuade them to honour their agreements with the Prophet. All the attempts of these devoted sons of Islam were futile. It was an hour of distress for the Muslims. The Holy Qur'an has referred to this state of affairs in the following words: "When they came upon you from above you and from below you and when eyes turned aside and hearts reached the gullets and of Allah ye were imagining various things. There were the believers proven and shaken with a mighty shaking. And when the hypocrites and those in whose hearts is disease saying: Allah and His apostle have promised us naught but delusion. 'And when a party of them said : O inhabitants of Yathribm there is no place for you, so return.' And a party of them asked leave of the Prophet saying : Verily our houses lie open; whereas they lay not open; they only wished to flee. (Sura 33:10-13)"[/b].

lexiconkabir:
Also, The Muslims had hardly finished the preparations when the formidable army of the confederates consisting of 24,000 trained warriors, one of the largest forces ever assembled in the history of Arabia, knocked at the gates of Medina with determination to crush Islam. The whole of Arabia was thirsting for Muslim blood. It was critical juncture that a huge number of hypocrites seceded from the Holy Prophet on one pretext or the other. Banu Qurayzah who had been his ally, also deserted to the hostile camp since Huyayy b. Akhtab the head of the Banu Nadir had promised them all kinds of concessions and rewards.

liar liar.
If they broke a treaty does beheading 600-900 of Jews make it right.
The only reason for killing the Jews was because they saw through Muhammad's lies of being a prophet.
They dishonoured him, thus they had to perish.
Muhammad is the most evil person ever to walk on God's and not Allah's earth.
I wish that somebody had murdered him before he died.
What were the Quraish thinking by letting that scum bag of Allah live?

basilico:


liar liar.
If they broke a treaty does beheading 600-900 of Jews make it right.
[s]The only reason for killing the Jews was because they saw through Muhammad's lies of being a prophet.
They dishonoured him, thus they had to perish.
Muhammad is the most evil person ever to walk on God's and not Allah's earth.
I wish that somebody had murdered him before he died.
What were the Quraish thinking by letting that scum bag of Allah live?[/s]

on what basis did you call me a liar?

Lets throw a spanner in the works shall we.....

THE OBJECTIVES OF JIHAD

o9.8 The caliph (025) makes war upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians (N: provided he has
first invited them to enter Islam in faith and practice, and if they will not, then invited them to
enter the social order of Islam by paying the nonMuslim poll tax (jizya, def: o11.4)-which is the
significance of their paying it, not the money itself-while remaining in their ancestral religions)
(0: and the war continues) until they become Muslim or else pay the non-Muslim poll
tax (0: in accordance with the word of Allah Most High,

"Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day and who forbid not what Allah and
His messenger have forbidden-who do not practice the religion of truth, being of those who have
been given the Book-until they pay the poll tax out of hand and are humbled" (Koran 9:29),

the time and place for which is before the final descent of Jesus (upon whom be peace). After his
final coming, nothing but Islam will be accepted from them. for taking the poll tax is only effective
until Jesus' descent (upon him and our Prophet be peace), which is the divinely revealed law of
Muhammad, The coming of Jesus does not entail a separate divinely revealed law, for he will rule
by the law of Muhammad, As for the Prophet's saying (Allah bless him and give him peace),

"I am the last, there will be no prophet after me,"

this does not contradict the final coming of Jesus (upon whom be peace), since he will not rule
according to the Evangel, but as a follower of our Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace)).

(They obviously noticed a contradiction in doctrine so a caveat was added)

o9.9 The caliph fights all other peoples until they become Muslim (0: because they are not a
people with a Book, nor honored as such, and are not permited to settle with paying the poll tax
(iizya») (n: though according to the Hanafi school, peoples of all other religions, even idol worshippers, are permitted to live under the protection of the Islamic state if they either become Muslim or agree to pay the poll tax, the sale exceptions to which are apostates from Islam and idol worshippers who are Arabs, neither of whom has any choice but becoming Muslim (al-Hidaya sharh
Bidaya al-mubtadi' (y21). 6.48--49)).

proo212:
Lets throw a spanner in the works shall we.....

lets start with, whats the source of this material?

lexiconkabir:
lets start with, whats the source of this material?

Coming from someone who didn't bother to quote the source of twisted material he posted

Having read your posts I can conclude you are quoting commentaries from muslim apologists writers who specialise in twisting the quoran and hadiths to water down mohamed's evil deeds or even make him look good contrary to the clear accounts in the sahih hadiths. Remember I said I don't want any al taquiya(muslim apologist) source. Let's stick to the quoran and sahih hadiths to prove your points. Thanx

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lexiconkabir:
The source of the first part is:Sirat-un Nabi by Allama Shibli Nu'Mani translated into English by M. Tayyib Bakhsh Budayuni, pages119-120, Volume. II, Kazi Publications Lahore. the book is a well known book written by a classical historian(not an apologist) about the sirat(history) of the holy prophet, in relation with sahih ahadith, if you read my posts very well, you would see that some sahih ahadith were quoted to complement the stories. i'll soon post the second source.

I am sorry but in my opinion there is no difference between muslim historians and muslim apologists as we both know al taquiya and kitman are core doctrines in islam and all muslims must practise it to further the cause of islam like you and your gang regularly do here. That aside it is a well documented fact that it was mohammed that broke the treaty he signed with the meccans so stop this diversion of saying the quarash broke the treaty and even if they did is that enough reason to order the cold blooded murder via be heading of 900 human beings Seriously are you guys human at all How can you accept such an evil character as a prophet

lexiconkabir:
Do you think you just quoted a quranic verse? see, what you dont know is bigger than you.

Is hadith no more part of islamic text? Where do you get your instruction to pray 5 times a day?

true2god:
Is hadith no more part of islamic text? Where do you get your instruction to pray 5 times a day?

whats this one saying?

There are 109 verses in the quoran clearly instructing violence against non muslims for the propagation of islam apart from the various accounts in sahih hadiths of offensive military expeditions initiated by mohamed to propagate his religion. Are you ready to defend all these? Or you would rather twist your 'holy' scriptures and confirm to us you have no regard for the teachings of your 'prophet'.

Let's pause here for now before we address the issue of caravan raiding(arm robbery) routinely executed by your 'prophet' @lexiconkabir