Annunaki:


[s]I am sorry but in my opinion there is no difference between muslim historians and muslim apologists as we both know al taquiya and kitman are core doctrines in islam and all muslims must practise it to further the cause of islam like you and your gang regularly do here. That aside it is a well documented fact that it was mohammed that broke the treaty he signed with the meccans so stop this diversion of saying the quarash broke the [/s]

Excuse me, didnt you see the hadith and Quranic verse quoted that fully supported the historian's scholarly view? anyway i am not surprised, Allah(s.w.t) has already stated in the Quran that when people like you see manifest truths, they will call it lies. I wasnt really doing this for you anyway, but for the vast majority viewing this thread which you wish to misinform. You can never convince someone whose mind is already made up, before asking question with deceptions at heart.

lexiconkabir:
Excuse me, didnt you see the hadith and quranic verse quoted that fully supported the historian's scholarly view? anyway i am not surprised Allah has already stated in the quran that when people like you see manifest truths, they will call it lie. I wasnt doing this for you, but for the vast majority viewing this thread. as you can never convince someone whose mind is already made up, before asking question with deception.

So in your opinion was mohamed right to slaughter 900 jews in cold blood? I really need a straight forward answer to this question.

Annunaki:
[s]There are 109 verses in the quoran clearly instructing violence against non muslims for the propagation of islam apart from the various accounts in sahih hadiths of offensive military expeditions initiated by mohamed to propagate his religion. Are you ready to defend all these? Or you would rather twist your 'holy' scriptures and confirm to us you have no regard for the teachings of your 'prophet'.

Let's pause here for now before we address the issue of caravan raiding(arm robbery) routinely executed by your 'prophet' @lexiconka..bir[/s]

SMH.

Annunaki:


So in your opinion was mohamed right to slaughter 900 jews in cold blood? I really need a straight forward answer to this question.

yes! he was right to command the beheading of bani quraytha for act of treason. No sane mind after reading the full context of the story, wouldnt support Muhammad(p) judgement.

To the muslim ummah: Let us never forget that the Jews fought against the most honourable person and the master of the Prophets and Messengers; our Prophet Muhammad sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam, until the very last moment of his life, despite the fact that they knew for certain that he was the seal of the Prophets which the Torah and the Bible had mentioned. They also knew for sure that Allaah would grant him victory over them and all other disbelievers; but despite all of this, they still fought, betrayed and deceived him. Moreover, they actually plotted to assassinate him sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam and never lowered the banner of war against him. TBC

lexiconkabir:
whats this one saying?

Annunaki quoted an hadith where the islamic prophet said in an hadith:

'Muslim (1:30) - "The Messenger of allahh said: I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but allahh."

And this is your response:

'Do you think you just quoted a quranic verse? see, what you dont know is bigger than you'.

And I asked you:

'Is hadith no more part of islamic text? Where do you get your instruction to pray 5 times a day'?

So what is it that you cannot understand in our flow of conversation? Are you denying the hadith or it is we that do not understand the hadith? Please clatify.

During the worst and most difficult times of times for the Prophet sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam, at the battle of the trench, while there were armies surrounding Madeenah, the Jews plotted to kill the Prophet sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam and his companions from within Madeenah. The companions, may Allah be pleased with them, were having a terrible experience during this battle, yet the Jews of Banu Quraydhah (who were one of the Jewish tribes of Madeenah), at this most critical of times, broke the pledge of non-aggression and mutual defence which they given to the Prophet sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam. The Jews intimidated the Muslims, which added to their sense of fear and danger of being in Madeenah. Their families were at great risk and had it not been for the mercy of Allah, the Jews of Bani Quraytha would have started another front in the war against the Muslims from within, just when the Muslims were at their most vulnerable. TBC

true2god:
Annunaki quoted an hadith where the islamic prophet said in an hadith:

'Muslim (1:30) - "The Messenger of allahh said: I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but allahh."

And this is your response:

'Do you think you just quoted a quranic verse? see, what you dont know is bigger than you'.

And I asked you:

'Is hadith no more part of islamic text? Where do you get your instruction to pray 5 times a day'?

So what is it that you cannot understand in our flow of conversation? Are you denying the hadith or it is we that do not understand the hadith? Please clatify.

I clearly understood your question, its just that, your question isnt intelligent enough. He thought what he quoted was a Quranic verse which i used that statement in correcting him, then i continued with the thread, simple!

lexiconkabir:
yes! he was right to command the beheading of bani quraytha for act of treason. No sane mind after reading the full context of the story, wouldnt support Muhammad(p) judgement.

I don't know what you mean by treason cause mohamed was also a treacherous character according to your sahih hadiths. If your mohamed/allah was so merciful as erroneously claimed in the quoran why couldn't he show them mercy? Or why didn't he just execute their leaders and spare the rest of them instead of demonstrating his savage thirst for blood by supervising the brutal be heading of 900 souls created by the God he claimed to be serving?

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lexiconkabir:
To the muslim ummah: Let us never forget that the Jews fought against the most honourable person and the master of the Prophets and Messengers; our Prophet Muhammad sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam, until the very last moment of his life, despite the fact that they knew for certain that he was the seal of the Prophets which the Torah and the Bible had mentioned. They also knew for sure that Allaah would grant him victory over them and all other disbelievers; but despite all of this, they still fought, betrayed and deceived him. Moreover, they actually plotted to assassinate him sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam and never lowered the banner of war against him. TBC

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taken from THE STORY OF BANI QURAYTHA, salam!

Annunaki:


[s]I don't know what you mean by treason cause mohamed was also a treacherous character according to your sahih hadiths. If your mohamed/allah was so merciful as erroneously claimed in the quoran why couldn't he show them mercy? Or why didn't he just execute their leaders and spare the rest of them instead of demonstrating his savage thirst for blood by supervising the brutal be heading of 900 souls created by the God he claimed to be serving?[/s]

I have already achieved my aim, which is to debunk your claim once and for all, i dont care whether you accept it or not.

lexiconkabir:
yes! he was right to command the beheading of bani quraytha for act of treason. No sane mind after reading the full context of the story, wouldnt support Muhammad(p) judgement.

Islam\muslims are evil. So you can be so mean and wicked to defend the genocide commited by your prophet against people that opposed him, beheading 900 people and taking their wives and sisters as slaves and sexx slaves? And you want peace on earth?

Again, the excuses you are making for your genocidal prophet is lame and you obviosly get them from a pro-islamic website whuch white-wash the image of mohammed to make his atrocities look acceptable.

These are what your evil and wicked prophet instructed muslims to do.

He asked muslims not to take Jews and christians as friends (quran 5:51)

mohammed asked muslims to cut off the heads of non-muslims (quran 9:5) in his war with 'infidels' and his enemies.

mohammed, the prophet & terrorist of Islam boasted on his death-bed,
“I have been made victorious with TERROR”—Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220

Mohammed asked muslims to expel the jews and the christians from the arabian peninsula. Sahih Muslim Book 019, Number 4366: “It has been narrated by ‘Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: “I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.”

Mohammed asked muslims\arabs to kill jews wherever they find them. Ibn Ishaq, Life of Muhammad (Karachi) p.553: …the Apostle of Allah said, “Kill any Jew that falls into your power.”
Bukhari Vol.4 Bk.52 No.176 Narrated ‘Abdullah bin ‘Umar: Allah’s Apostle said,“You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, ‘O ‘Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)!There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.”

The above are few examples of what makes your prophet a wicked and evil human being not worth obeying and emulating. If muslims were to obey all his commands, people like you would be on the street fighting christians and non-muslims at sight.

I wont be surpised if you say cutting of heads (quran 9:5) means barbing the hair, since fight (quran 9:5) had suddenly become strife.

You must understand islam than the muslim arabs who enslaved your black ancestors.

lexiconkabir:
I clearly understood your question, its just that, your question isnt intelligent enough. He thought what he quoted was a Quranic verse which i used that statement in correcting him, then i continued with the thread, simple!

Are you saying the op cannot diffrentiate the quran from the hadith? Besides, you have directly commented on the op where mohammed said he will fight until all man take allahh and god and mohammed his prophet. Is that not forced conversion, conversion under threat?

true2god:
Are you saying the op cannot diffrentiate the quran from the hadith? Besides, you have directly commented on the op where mohammed said he will fight until all man take allahh and god and mohammed his prophet. Is that not forced conversion, conversion under threat?

What the hell is wrong with you? didnt you see where the op himself acknowledged his mistake?

true2god:
[s]Islam\muslims are evil. So you can be so mean and wicked to defend the genocide commited by your prophet against people that opposed him, beheading 900 people and taking their wives and sisters as slaves and sexx slaves? And you want peace on earth?

Again, the excuses you are making for your genocidal prophet is lame and you obviosly get them from a pro-islamic website whuch white-wash the image of mohammed to make his atrocities look acceptable.

These are what your evil and wicked prophet instructed muslims to do.

He asked muslims not to take Jews and christians as friends (quran 5:51)

mohammed asked muslims to cut off the heads of non-muslims (quran 9:5) in his war prophet & terrorist of Islam boasted on his death-bed,
“I have been made victorious with TERROR”—Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220[/s]

I can see that you are butt-hurt seeing the truth, anyway the truth is a bitter experience, so deal with it!

@Lexiconkabir,

lets start with, whats the source of this material?

You're trying to be smart. As a muslim you know where the quote came from but i purposely left it out to see if someone will question it and you did...

This is from the Reliance of the Traveller (the Shafi'i school of jurisprudence) The classic manual of Islamic Sacred Law (Sharia for those who might not be aware)

Among the specialists in the field of hadith, for example, who were Shafi'is are such scholars as Bukhari, Muslim, Tirmidhi,
Nasa'i, Ibn Majah. Abu Dawud. Ibn Kathir, Dhahabi, and Nawawi;

I have the book in pdf format so i can refer to it from time to time. Only particularly interested in the O part which is Justice.

lexiconkabir:
The arabic word translated to "fight" there is "jihad" which means "strive" now "jihad" has been mistranslated for "holywar" whereas its one of the biggest lies invented against islam, jihad is never near to holywar, as a muslim i do jihad against my flesh, what do i mean here? i strive against my flesh and this duniya(worldly things), infact the biggest jihad a muslim can attain is against himself, because it is very difficult to depart from the things of the duniya(world). now the arabic word that could mean "kill", "waging war", "fight", et al is "Qatal" and "Qatal" wasnt used in that hadith. having said this(i am assuming you know the meaning of strive), the messenger of Allah was commanded to call people to the oneness of Allah, now this wasnt an easy task to do, so the prophet kept striving hard and harder until people accepted monotheism, i hope you understand this. salam!

GOOD explanation but the interpretation is coming from whom? Muslims?

proo212:
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I read the material you quoted over and over again, but i dont see how it contradict me, infact it even helped me, how? the Quran verse quoted tells us to strive against non-muslims into accepting the only true religion of islam(total submission to will of God Almighty) accepted by God Almighty, and if they dont, then they are to pay tax, after the tax has been paid, they are free to practice whatever religion they are into, however this law is only enforced at islamic states under the shariah. so i seriously dont know the point you tried to make.

MightySparrow:



GOOD explanation but the interpretation is coming from whom? Muslims?

from critical study of Arabic.

@proo212 Now let me give quick verses that refute the terrorism lie against islam “God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (The Noble Quran, 60:8 )“....... “And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for God. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrongdoers.(The Noble Quran 2:193)“......... “Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy handhold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. (The Noble Quran, 2:256)“, i could go on and on.

lexiconkabir:
I have already achieved my aim, which is to debunk your claim once and for all, i dont care whether you accept it or not.

You didn't debunk anything, all you tried to do is to justify evil just because it was committed by your so called prophet. How is what mohamed did better than what al queda, isis and boko haram are doing Can you swear in the name of your allah that mohamed is not the inspiration for all these islamic terror organisations?

lexiconkabir:
What the hell is wrong with you? didnt you see where the op himself acknowledged his mistake?

Which mistake did you acknowledge You must be smoking cow dung wrapped from a page in the quoran

Annunaki:


[s]You didn't debunk anything, all you tried to do is to justify evil just because it was committed by your so called prophet. How is what mohamed did better than what al queda, isis and boko haram are doing Can you swear in the name of your allah that mohamed is not the inspiration for all these islamic terror organisations?[/s]

issorite, mission accomplished.

Annunaki:


[s]Which mistake did you acknowledge You must be smoking cow dung wrapped from a page in the quoran[/s]

I could see how bad your comprehension skill is.

Annunaki:
Can you swear in the name of your allah that mohamed is not the inspiration for all these islamic terror organisations?

@lexiconkabir kindly answer the above question.

Annunaki:


@lexicon..kabir kindly answer the above question.

I need not to swear, you don't believe in Allah anyway, so if i swear by Allah, it makes no difference to you. People swear by something if and only if the person they are trying to convince holds that same thing in high esteem. This is not true in your case, so no need to swear just for the sake of argument.

lexiconkabir:
What the hell is wrong with you? didnt you see where the op himself acknowledged his mistake?

Which mistake did he aknowledge? Must you lie on everything? Haven't you heard of sarcastic response before? How do you think an average NL christian cannot distinguish between a quranic verse and an hadith narration?