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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by IlekeHD: 7:11pm On Nov 09, 2015 |
Most of projects from previous term was left uncompleted. His new projects are supposed to take years to actualize. trust me, everything about that man is just on paper. |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 7:16pm On Nov 09, 2015 |
IlekeHD: I don't like him neither do i hate him but I know he's a monkey Building an airport is a bad move.Airport is not what Ekiti needs.As for tourism,I think he has performed better than any other South-west Governor.You need to see Ikogosi springs Its mmuah! |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by IlekeHD: 7:17pm On Nov 09, 2015 |
Aareonakakanfo: Ikogosi was Fayemi's work o. |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 7:19pm On Nov 09, 2015 |
IlekeHD: Really? Well.. even if na him sef, you still wouldn't have given him any credit |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by IlekeHD: 7:24pm On Nov 09, 2015 |
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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 7:27pm On Nov 09, 2015 |
Aareonakakanfo: Ah egbon, igbagbe lo se mi. Maa lo se atunse na bayi |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 7:38pm On Nov 09, 2015 |
9jacrip: Funny enough I once lived in Apata with a brother but I was always indoors because that area was uninhabited plus I never baff that year . but I heard people are already building houses there So next time I go house, Na Igboro I dey go straight |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 8:14pm On Nov 09, 2015 |
Aareonakakanfo: Apata? Isn't that around Iyaganku road? That neighbourhood is buzzing right now sir. I stay at the lanes behind General Gas complex along Akobo road and as much as it is inhabited, I stay indoors except I have to attend classes or need to get to school and some Friday nights. 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by modath(f): 8:17pm On Nov 09, 2015 |
IlekeHD: You love you some red mud blodas sha... Shey the female body parts talk don finish? I came in, saw it & waka......... Omo yoruba are prudish, we agree & we own it.... we are more than body parts... Cc iyalode.. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 8:24pm On Nov 09, 2015 |
9jacrip: Yeah Yeah na that side.Omo eyin yii le so eyan nu ni Ibadan oo .I think I know Akobo as well.Iyaganku GRA is really beautiful.Adugbo awon olowo ni yen |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Ritchiee: 8:53pm On Nov 09, 2015 |
Other than the disintegration of Nigeria which I fervently pray for,let us critically look at what federalism really is and what are the sources of the present worry over adaptability of the system of Nigeria‟s situation and what are the future hopes for politically stable Nigeria through the practice of federalism? THE CONCEPT OF FEDERALISM AND ITS KEY FEATURES There is no universally accepted definition of the word federalism; the concept of federalism has received broad scholarly attention. To this end, each scholar defines it according to their perception. Thus, the meaning of federalism is surrounded by what Dare called „„state of uncertainty and vagueness‟‟. Peter Ordeshook and Olga Slivetsova are of the opinion that „„the meaning of federalism is yet to escape the state of uncertainty‟‟. This explains why each scholar approaches the study based on individual background and inclination. Early writers on the concept of federalism such as Jean Bodin, Olto, Cosmanus among others, viewed federalism as a voluntary form of political union of independent authorities. The union either temporary or permanent, was based on the need for special common purposes like defense, trade, communications and other reasons that would benefit the parties involved. Contemporary writers on the concept of federalism such as Livingstone, Macmahon, and Riker among others viewed federalism as a mutual interactions between and direct contact with, at least two levels of government. These scholars take their root from the 1787 American constitution. The definition of federalism by these scholars rest on the fundamental principle that, federalism is a form of governmental and institutional structure, deliberately designed by political „„architects‟‟, to cope with the twin but difficult task of maintaining unity while also preserving diversity. The most cogent, clearly expressed and the most acceptable definition is that of K.C Wheare. All other formulation from other scholars like Livingstone, Macmahon, and Riker are variations of his work. In his book he talked about federal principle‟‟ i.e. the method of dividing powers so that general and regional governments are each, within a sphere, co-ordinate and independent of one another. Thus, Wheare‟s proposition posits that the federal principle essentially entails a legal division of powers and functions among levels of government with a written constitution guaranteeing and reflecting the division. Wheare‟s formulation of federalism is been drawn correctly from the United States of America which is regarded by him as the archetype of federal government. Since other formulation of federalism from other scholars are variations of his work, the basic tenets or elements of federalism according to K.C Wheare will be used as a templates to determines Nigerian federalism and the extent to which Nigeria has fulfilled the basic tenets of federalism. The basic tenets according to him are: a. There must be at least two levels of governments and there must be constitutional division of powers among the levels of governments. b. Each levels of government must be co-ordinate and independent. c. Each levels of government must be financially independent. He argued that this will afford each levels of government the opportunity of performing their functions without depending or appealing to the others for financial assistance. d. There must be Supreme Court of the independent judiciary. He argued that in terms of power sharing, there is likely to be conflict hence, there must be independent judiciary to resolve the case. e. In terms of the amendment of the constitution, no levels of government should have undue power over the amendment process. He maintained that, once a country is able to satisfy these conditions, such country is said to practice federalism. FACTORS NECESSITATING THE ADOPTION OF FEDERALISM IN NIGERIA. 1. Heterogeneous Ethnic Groups: Nigeria is a heterogeneous society consisting of diverse ethnic groups. These various ethnic group had different cultural backgrounds which did not support the establishment of a unitary system. It gave rise to the adoption of federalism. 2. Historical Factors: The different ethnic groups in Nigeria had developed different administrative structures. The colonial principle of indirect rule allowed each region to preserve its cultural and traditional practices different from those of other regions. From a historical point of view, the different groups had enjoyed regional autonomy, such that they could not give all their power to a single centralized authority as is the case with the unitary system. 3. Differences in the Levels of Development: the differences in the developmental levels of the major ethnic groups contributed to the adoption of federalism. There were differences in social, educational, economical, and political development. These differences degenerated into ethnic rivalry which made the different regions want to preserve their regional autonomy. 4. Size and Population: considering the large size of the country and its large population, federalism would bring about administrative convenience. Nigeria covers an area of over 913,073 square kilomitres, and it would facilitate administrative efficiency if the activities of the regions were coordinated by a central authority. 5. Divide and Rule Policy of the British Colonial administration: the British policy of divide and rule was a deliberate attempt to keep Nigeria weak and decentralised. The British considered unity among the various ethnic groups as a threat to their imperialistic interest. 6. Fear of Domination: there had been suspicion among the various ethnic groups, particularly the major ones the Yoruba, the Igbo, and the Hausa. There was also fear by the minority groups that they would be dominated by the majority ones. |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 8:57pm On Nov 09, 2015 |
Aareonakakanfo: so eyan ni ke? I don't know anywhere in Ibadan o. My friend who's based here has been resoonsible for few places I know which have been as a result of exploring one lounge to the other. We go all the way from General Gas to Apollos at the Challenge Mall, also Ebevande and the new Mauve 21 etc all along that area. |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Ritchiee: 9:01pm On Nov 09, 2015 |
CHALLENGING ISSUES IN NIGERIAN FEDERALISM Since the attainment of independence in 1960, a number of national issues have generated heated debates and crises, sometimes threatening the entire fabric of the Nigerian State. These include: State Creation and the Minority Question, Military Intervention in Governance, Oil and Minority Agitations, Ethno-religious Conflicts, Federal Character Dilemma...I detest this son of a bitch Corruption...just like the skin of our politicians... and Leadership crisis. |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 9:05pm On Nov 09, 2015 |
Ritchiee:I am all for regional government, resource control or federalism till someone can tell me how we will be different from any other African country should we go our separate ways. Emerging power houses are using population to their advantage (china, Brazil, india) we need our huge market for rapid development |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 9:08pm On Nov 09, 2015 |
9jacrip: Loool I think say you be Ibadan veteran na.This character is my brother and he has been in Ibadan for a very long time but during my time there,He was really occupied so we didn't really mess around I have this bad habit of exploring bukas but I don't know why I fumbled during my stay there I plan to reside there in the future and trust me the Amala joints in the whole Ibadan will know "A new sherrif is in Town" I already pay my dues in Surulere amala joints Cc Silifa,Mummy bobo,Iya buki,Mummy Olorunwa and not forgetting Osiname's evening rice |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Ritchiee: 9:10pm On Nov 09, 2015 |
LET US LOOK AT THAT LAST POINT CRITICALLY... Leadership Crisis The various challenges of nation-building, have been compounded by the leadership crisis. Though, the leadership challenge, like the Sword of Damocles, hangs above all nations, the issue has however assumed a crisis dimension of monumental consequences particularly in Less Developed Countries (LDCs). Nigeria is a nation born in hope and optimism but has lived in anxiety for most of its fifty year- history due to the country‟s failure to produce a nationally acceptable leadership that transcends ethnic, regional and religious boundaries, and that can unite its diverse peoples for mobilization towards national development. In the light of this, it is valid to support the argument that the basic problem with the Nigerian federation is the failure of leadership. All other factors of disunity, instability and under-development have been nurtured and given momentum by leadership failure. Criticisms against Nigerian leaders across Local, State and Federal government levels are many and justified. These include corruption, un- patriotism, selfishness, despotism, tribalism, and religious bigotry. Nigeria‟s political history since independence has shown clearly through her various conflicts, coups and counter-coups, as well as a civil war, that the Nigerian ruling elite (both civilian and military) are divided along many lines, particularly along tribal, ethnic, religious and regional lines. This has led to inter-elite rivalries, mutual suspicion and status conflicts among the ruling elite. Thus, government and politics in Nigeria has been characterized by deadly competitions and conflicts of hostile subcultures arising various danger signals that occasionally threatened the continued existence of the country. Under successive Nigerian leaderships, almost every issue has been politicized and interpreted to serve as a weapon of political domination or intimidation. As a consequence, various issues like elections, census, state creation, religion, political appointments, revenue sharing and lately, resource control have ignited serious socio-political crises. This tragic situation has compelled some observers to conclude that for Nigeria to resolve her leadership debacle she needs heroes in the form of men with extra-ordinary talents. |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Ritchiee: 9:15pm On Nov 09, 2015 |
IyaIode:But the country has to be restructured first if we are to make any progress.Not with that large chunk called North... 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Ritchiee: 9:23pm On Nov 09, 2015 |
RECOMMENDATIONS We have clearly seen that the future of this country lies in only one direction- true federalism, together with fiscal federalism and resource control by the owners of the resources. In making specific recommendations for structural changes which will create an atmosphere of enduring peace, harmony and progress, there should be a clear division of power between the federal government and the state government. The federal government should exercises exclusive power in certain basic matters of general relevance and importance, leaning the bulk of the subject matter to the state, with a few in the concurrent list. A federal government should exercise powers exclusively only in the following areas: National Defence, Foreign Relations, Currency, Exchange Control, Telecommunications, Immigration, Customs and Excise, Copyright, Patents and Design, Citizenship and Naturalisation, Shipping in external waters. And other matters currently in the legislative list (federal) should be in the concurrent list (federal and state). The states and the federal government should exercise their powers in these matters in a manner that does not interfere with the jurisdiction of other authorities. In the following areas, the state must have exclusive authority except that the federal government could lay down standards and guidelines and perhaps make grants towards some of these subject matters. Agriculture and Fisheries, Education, Health, Labour, Housing, Local Government, Forestry, Town and Country Planning, Lands, State Judiciary, Vetinary Services. Similarly, the local government must be given autonomy in their own jurisdiction and state governments should hands off from the control of local affairs. As already noted, the state have to be given the economic power to carry out their increased political, social and economic responsibilities. A system of revenue allocation to meet this may be summarised as follows; i. Minerals-Oil and Solid: 50% of the proceeds should be paid to the state from which it is produced. Such states territory includes 200 miles continental shelf ii. Customs and Excise: 50% should go to the state to which the goods are going or in the case of excise duty, the state in which the goods are produced. iii. Value Added Tax: Only states should collect value added tax. The federal government should have no such power. State should retain their VAT for their own use. The VAT is a tax on the customer of goods and services within the territory of the state. The federal government may only collect VAT in the federal capital territory. Thus all taxes made from purchases of petroleum product from a state should be remitted to the state. At the moment, VAT is collected and administered by the federal government which keep a percentage to itself and then distribute the balance in an arbitrary manner, under which states from which little or nothing has been collected, get the bulk of the funds. Lastly, a conference of Nigeria Nationalities should called...I think we have done that, the documents should be visited and Buhari and all concerned should do the needful...ABI KILODE GAN |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by modath(f): 9:23pm On Nov 09, 2015 |
Ritchiee, Aareonakakanfo, iyalode et al Please, let's kill the regionalism / federalism talk, it is a sore point for me ...... I want it so much i can taste it but will the onimaalu people agree without bloodshed?? I served in the far north, these people have zero going & would kill to leech on continously on the south.. May Lugard's soul never rest in peace !!!! 2 Likes |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by superstar1(m): 9:33pm On Nov 09, 2015 |
IyaIode: SW alone has a population of 50m people with a considerable amount of middle class. How many countries can boast of that? |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Ritchiee: 9:34pm On Nov 09, 2015 |
Nigeria, according to the late sage, Chief Obafemi Awolowo, is a mere geographical expression. As we all know, the nations and peoples of Nigeria existed separately and independently for centuries until they were forcefully brought into the artificial state called Nigeria. The territory called Nigeria is as much a victim of European colonial callousness as the rest of Africa. Many of the inter boundaries of Nigeria are as artificial as inter-state boundaries of Africa. Was it not Lord Salisbury who stated thus at the Berlin conference 1885: „„We have been engaged in drawing lines on map where no white man‟s foot ever trod; we have been given away mountains and rivers and lakes to each other, only hindered by the small impediment that we have never known where the rivers and lakes and mountain were. Another Briton, an official who participated in the drawing of the Southern section of the Nigeria Cameroon border, is also recorded to have recalled, years after that: „„In those days we just took a blue pencil and ruler, and we put it down at old Calabar, and drew the blue line to Yola…… I recollect thinking when I was sitting having an audience with the Emir (of Yola) surrounded by his tribes, that it was a very good thing that he did not know that I, with a blue pencil, had drawn a line through his territory.‟‟ The carry-over of this artificiality of boundary into Nigeria, is evident when Kwara and Kogi states are treated as Northern, instead of Yoruba (Western) states, or when Asaba and Agbor (Oshimili, Anioma and Ika ) are included in a Delta state. It is therefore clear that a conference of Nationalities will involve, not only a restructuring of functions between the bloated centre and the states, but there also has to be, a re-grouping of the states along national/ethnic lines. Kwara and Kogi will merge with the Yoruba states and Asaba and Agbor (Oshimili, Anioma and Ika) should merge with their sister Igbo states east of the Niger... |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by superstar1(m): 9:36pm On Nov 09, 2015 |
modath: They are not leeches. They are farmers. They produce a good percentage of what we eat in this country. The problem bedeviling is their elite that is taking advantage of their illiteracy level, which our elites are finding it very difficult to do in SW. Come to think of it, when it comes to looting, the elites do not know ethnicity or north and south or religion. They develop a good sharing formular for themselves and share the loot accordingly. 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by IlekeHD: 9:36pm On Nov 09, 2015 |
modath: If we kill the talk, it will never actualize. |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Ritchiee: 9:41pm On Nov 09, 2015 |
modath:Well, if we are still at it I'd rather we go for regionalism but my desire is DISINTEGRATION because I don't think the LEOPARD WOULD FOREVER DROP ITS SPOTS.. 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by modath(f): 9:43pm On Nov 09, 2015 |
superstar1: Come of the pedestal, I'm no bigot... I also respect people, left to the regular notherner, they'd want to be left alone to their culture & religion... It is the elite I'm referring to... I served in a local govt, we only meet on payday , sign for salary & everybody hasta la vista... If i may ask, do they give us the food free of charge? Don't we import consumables from other countries? |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by IlekeHD: 9:44pm On Nov 09, 2015 |
Aare Do you know how to get rid of a speeding ticket? |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 9:46pm On Nov 09, 2015 |
The regionalism is just short term for me.At least to make life better for Yorubas while Independence is long term. With regionalism, we can't control Immigration.Red mud Alb.in.o mawffughs will still come to their mecca and there's nothing we can do about it But with Independence, we can control Immigration Balkanize this country Asap 2 Likes |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by superstar1(m): 9:50pm On Nov 09, 2015 |
modath: It happens in most places too. I served in the headquarters of Gokana LG of Rivers State, the same thing happens there. How are our elite different from northern elites? Ours are even capitalists in nature, while theirs are more of socialists. We should always be objective atimes. I am not exonerating them from their thirst for power, but our elites are not better and they are active collaborators. One thing i respect the northerners for is their unity. DO you think it is that easy to achieve that within that diverse population of people. Are they stealing your resources without constitutional back up too? |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 9:51pm On Nov 09, 2015 |
IlekeHD:
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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Ritchiee: 9:51pm On Nov 09, 2015 |
superstar1:This exactly is why I loathe thinking that Hausas are bad people,if anything they seem to be a little holier than the Southerners but the MUMU type of killings they indulge in is way above what one can call DEVILISH...no word for it...yuk 1 Like |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by superstar1(m): 9:54pm On Nov 09, 2015 |
One of the Mods has moved the thead to Ethnic, Racial and Sectarian politics section. NA wa ooo |
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Shymm3x: 9:55pm On Nov 09, 2015 |
IyaIode: However, the background story/history and demographics of these countries are different from Nigeria. It is better to have a small and functioning country, than a big for nothing shyte that Nigeria is. I won't talk much about Brazil cos it is similar to America. Slave and slave owners, with few natives. And according to racial classification, Brazil is about 90% white cos the Pardos see themselves more as Caucasians until recently. Let me start with India. There is a reason why the old India was divided into two: India and Pakistan. And Pakistan also got divided into two: Pakistan and Bangladesh. The current India is predominantly Indo-European and they're mostly Hindus and Sikhs - hence there is caste system there. Also, it's easy to govern cos the Indo-Europeans control everything. I won't even call India a shinning example cos it still has a long way to go, but they're getting there and they have the right structure to turn their fortunes around. With China, the country is over 90% Han Chinese, with a civilisation that is over 3,000 years old. And despite the fact the they are basically the same, you can't move from one region to live in a next region in China without permit. Hence it is easy to govern. Same people, same language, same religion and within a structure that enhances evenly distributed developments everywhere. Now let's talk about Nigeria: apart from only having huge population in common with these other countries - what else do they have in common? I'm not against having a big country that can actually work/prosper...but once you analyse Nigeria properly, it lacks everything required for a big country to prosper. I would like you and/or anyone to cite any country in the world, with the same ethnic demographic as Nigeria - where three groups are almost the same size, and with evenly divided religions that has ever prospered. Once I see one, I will start supporting Nigeria with everything I have. I just want to see a black country that is actually working, no matter how small it is, in my lifetime. 1 Like |
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