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Does Anyone Know Who And How The Bible Was Compiled by Nobody: 3:11pm On Oct 27, 2015 |
The Holy Bible is considered by many the infallible word of God. It was not just written by man, but rather written by God through man. This book is the cornerstone to the Christian and Judaic religions, without this book, they have nothing to hold their beliefs to. With these two things in mind, one would think that it would have to be one heck of a book. Not only 100% correct in every manner, but chock full of wonderful teachings, pleasant miracles by the all loving God, but scientifically tested and proven as a source of answers to the unknown mysteries of our earth and universe as well. Here's something interesting... Constantine the Great called the First Council of Nicaea, composed of 300 religious leaders. Three centuries after Jesus lived, this council was given the task of separating divinely inspired writings from those of questionable origin. The actual compilation of the Bible was an incredibly complicated project that involved churchmen of many varying beliefs, in an atmosphere of dissension, jealousy, intolerance, persecution and bigotry. At this time, the question of the divinity of Jesus had split the church into two factions. Constantine offered to make the little-known Christian sect the official state religion if the Christians would settle their differences. Apparently, he didn't particularly care what they believed in as long as they agreed upon a belief. By compiling a book of sacred writings, Constantine thought that the book would give authority to the new church. Actually, legend has it that at the Council of Nicea, Constantine was unsure of what else to include as a holy scripture (which later the batch became the Bible). He threw the batch that he was to choose from onto a table. Those that remained on the table were in, those that fell off were out. There have been many different theories set forth over the history of the church as to exactly how God’s hand was involved in this selection process. Skeptics have pointed out that over three thousand books were candidates for inclusion in the New Testament canon alone, and only a handful (twenty-some books) were selected. Doesn’t that raise some serious questions? Isn’t it possible that certain books that are in the Bible should not be there and others that were excluded by human evaluation and human judgment should have been included? We need to keep in mind, however, that of those not included in the last analysis, there were at the most three or four that were given serious consideration. So to speak in terms of two or three thousand being boiled down to twenty-seven or something like that is a distortion of historical reality. Till date, the number of books in the Catholic bible are still different from the number of books in the Bible of the protestants/ Pentecostals. All for one God? Please, does anybody have an accurate idea of how the Bible was compiled and by whom? 11 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: Does Anyone Know Who And How The Bible Was Compiled by johnydon22(m): 3:54pm On Oct 27, 2015 |
[b]The main purpose of the Council of nicaea 325AD was to address the Arianism heresy which questioned the Deity of Jesus and threatened to tear the new church apart. It was in that council that the Nicene creed was formulated (This creed is still used in the catholic Church everyday) determined to be the fundamental basis of the Christian belief. Like you rightly pointed out it also gave rise to an undying need to formulate a guided canon for the religion and is the advent of bible. Bible was not compiled at one particular point in time, it went through many developmental phases. Books were added and decided by the Bishops, edited and compiled many New testament christian writings didnt make it into the bible and only 4 out of the gospels written made it in. Some jewish texts found in their Tenark didn't make it in but most did (called old testament in the bible) It took many years of editing and adding to the texts by the esteemed bishops of the Church. Like the book of revelation was one of the last additions to the canon of the bible. The difference between the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox bible with the Protestant bible is that the Catholic and orthodox bible contains Deuterocanonical books like Tobit, mecabbeus, sirach and many of them making it 77books (Septuagint bible) But with the rise of protestant Christianity those books were omitted because there were not recognized as actual biblical canon or found in original Jewish manuscript. It is also ok to note that there have been an undying feud and conflict between Catholic christianity and protestants through out the medieval ages resulting to countless bloody wars lasting for years...[/b] 12 Likes 5 Shares |
Re: Does Anyone Know Who And How The Bible Was Compiled by sonmvayina(m): 4:21pm On Oct 27, 2015 |
just like the two writers above said, especially johnny..there is no ground zero for the development of the bible..it was the council of Hippo in 394AD that set out to compile a canon..before now, they had the codex sinacticus and probably where the vulgate was made from..the only missing books where the gospel of john and the third letter of john..it was the council of Carthage that finally added this book and closed the canon....it has to take another 1000 years before the council of Trent in 1556 AD to finally put a stamp on it as the official book of the church and the word of a god... 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Does Anyone Know Who And How The Bible Was Compiled by atheistandproud(m): 5:19pm On Oct 27, 2015 |
One Bible, so much controversy. Being an ardent Bible critic myself, I would like to point out that its compilation is purely a human endeavor and has no divine orientation. The bishops only approved the texts that suited their doctrines and trashed the rest. Those who didn't approve went off and compiled their own. Its still being done today, do the JW ring a bell? Nice post by the way. 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Does Anyone Know Who And How The Bible Was Compiled by ByfireByfire: 5:30pm On Nov 08, 2015 |
The Roman Catholic Church will tell you that they compiled the Bible but its a brutal blatant lie!!! Don't even regard the claims of the Catholic history books. PROOF:They cannot compile a book that is directly and diametrically opposed to their many doctrinal practices and traditions. Same way they lie that they are the first church and the mother church but the Bible shows clearly that the life and Christian practices of the apostles was nothing close to the Idolatory and Mary deity practice extolled by the Roman Catholic. Rather the apostles Christian pattern and practices then, matches that of the "HOLINESS" based Pentecostals of today. The first churches were Pentecostal churches according to Acts 2, when the day of the Pentecost was fully come. Churches arose from that pentecostal outpouring on the apostles and from Paul's missionary journey. Those churches were not Roman Catholic. They never prayed the rosary nor venerated Mary and the dead saints. There pattern perfectly matches that of the holiness based pentecostal churches of today. LET US FOR ONCE BE TRUTHFUL. 2 Likes |
Re: Does Anyone Know Who And How The Bible Was Compiled by ByfireByfire: 5:31pm On Nov 08, 2015 |
JustTara: The Roman Catholic Church will tell you that they compiled the Bible but its a brutal blatant lie!!! Don't even regard the claims of the Catholic history books. PROOF:They cannot compile a book that is directly and diametrically opposed to their many doctrinal practices and traditions. Same way they lie that they are the first church and the mother church but the Bible shows clearly that the life and Christian practices of the apostles was nothing close to the Idolatory and Mary deity practice extolled by the Roman Catholic. Rather the apostles Christian pattern and practices then, matches that of the "HOLINESS" based Pentecostals of today. The first churches were Pentecostal churches according to Acts 2, when the day of the Pentecost was fully come. Churches arose from that pentecostal outpouring on the apostles and from Paul's missionary journey. Those churches were not Roman Catholic. They never prayed the rosary nor venerated Mary and the dead saints. There pattern perfectly matches that of the holiness based pentecostal churches of today. LET US FOR ONCE BE TRUTHFUL. 1 Like |
Re: Does Anyone Know Who And How The Bible Was Compiled by atheistandproud(m): 7:30pm On Nov 08, 2015 |
oga bros, your pentecostal churches were divided on whether Jesus was divine or not. |
Re: Does Anyone Know Who And How The Bible Was Compiled by Nobody: 5:58am On Nov 09, 2015 |
ByfireByfire:Your bible citation is just so wrong. Pentecostal churches may have gotten their name from there, but it doesn't prove they started from there. What's your proof? 1 Like |
Re: Does Anyone Know Who And How The Bible Was Compiled by italo3: 6:40am On Nov 09, 2015 |
JustTara: Sweetheart, what you wrote about Constantine and his involvement in the Canon of Scripture is false. It is simple. The Bible was compiled and canonized by the Catholic Church. The Jews put together the old testament and The Catholic Church put together the new testament and it took several centuries to do so. It was not until the Council of Carthage 397 years after Jesus death and subsequent approval by Pope Innocent I, that a New Testament was put together. Prior to that date, hundreds of gospels and “apostolic” writings were floating around in many different languages, some not so good or some even controverted. It was the Catholic Magisterium, guided by the Holy Spirit, which separated the good writings from the bad and selected the 27 books that are now found in the New Testament bible today. So far as we know, Jesus himself never wrote a word (except on sand). Nor did he command the Apostles to write anything. The Catholic Church operated for many years by word of mouth and Sacred Traditions that Jesus and the disciples established and handed down and guided by the Holy Spirit to insure it would not be changed. In much later years, some of the early Apostles (and non-Apostles) composed the twenty-seven books, which were finally selected almost 400 years later and that now comprise the New Testament that is used today by all Christians. https://discovercatholic./11-2/where-did-we-get-the-bible/ |
Re: Does Anyone Know Who And How The Bible Was Compiled by italo3: 6:49am On Nov 09, 2015 |
JustTara, The reason the Protestant "bible" has less books is that Martin Luther removed 7 books that disprove his heresies. He also considered removing the Book of James because it disproves his "Faith alone" false teaching. He called it "Epistle of straw." |
Re: Does Anyone Know Who And How The Bible Was Compiled by ByfireByfire: 12:14pm On Nov 09, 2015 |
JustTara: If that is not proof enough then nothing is. No truth on this matter will convince a fellow whose mind is already made up. After all you are a Pentecostal, Catholic and atheist all bundled in one. |
Re: Does Anyone Know Who And How The Bible Was Compiled by BETATRON(m): 12:39pm On Nov 09, 2015 |
Actually!actually!! Different ideas about Christ’s divinity lead to conflict This was the setting in which the doctrine of the Trinity emerged. In those early decades after Jesus Christ’s ministry, Alleged death and resurrection, and spanning the next few centuries, various ideas sprang up as to His exact nature. Was He man? Was He God? Was He God appearing as a man? Was He an illusion? Was He a mere man who became God? Was He created by God the Father, or did He exist eternally with the Father? All of these ideas had their proponents. The unity of belief of the original Church was lost as new beliefs, many borrowed or adapted from pagan religions, replaced the teachings of Jesus and the apostles. Let me be clear that when it comes to the intellectual and theological debates in those early centuries that led to the formulation of the Trinity, the true Church was largely absent from the scene, having been driven underground For this reason, in that stormy period we often see debates not between truth and error, but between one error and a different error— a fact seldom recognized by many modern Christian yet critical for our understanding. A classic example of this was the dispute over the nature of Christ that led the Roman emperor Constantine the Great to convene the Council of Nicaea in A.D. 325. Constantine, although held by many to be the first “Christian” Roman Emperor, was actually a sun-worshiper who was only baptized on his deathbed. During his reign he had his eldest son and his wife murdered. He was also vehemently anti-Semitic, referring in one of his edicts to “the detestable Jewish crowd” and “the customs of these most wicked men”— customs that were in fact rooted in the Bible and practiced by Jesus and the apostles. As emperor in a period of great tumult within the Roman Empire, Constantine was challenged with keeping the empire unified. He recognized the value of religion in uniting his empire. This was, in fact, one of his primary motivations in accepting and sanctioning the “Christian” religion (which, by this time, had drifted far from the teachings of Jesus Christ and the apostles and was Christian in name only). But now Constantine faced a new challenge one of the first problems that had to be solved was the doctrine of God . . . a new danger arose from within which split Christians into bitterly warring camps As emperor, Constantine was in the unusual position of deciding church doctrine even though he was not really a Christian. "The following year is when he had both his wife and son murdered".as I have stated above he was a SUN WORSHIPPER (concept of "SUN-day"...so the faith of the christian was actually in the hands of a sun worshiper,hence what he did was shape the christian religion to suit the sun worship..if you check many pictures of christ you will find the sun behind him Its high time the church started teaching its followers the history of christianity |
Re: Does Anyone Know Who And How The Bible Was Compiled by CoolUsername: 2:55pm On Nov 09, 2015 |
ByfireByfire:Nope! Pentecostal christians didn't come up until the 20th century. So what you believe doesn't really matter, it's just the fact. |
Re: Does Anyone Know Who And How The Bible Was Compiled by CoolUsername: 2:59pm On Nov 09, 2015 |
italo3:I'm sure if you check a non-catholic source then you'll get an unbiased answer. |
Re: Does Anyone Know Who And How The Bible Was Compiled by ipreach: 4:28pm On Nov 09, 2015 |
2Timothy 3:16 '' All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness'' 1 Like |
Re: Does Anyone Know Who And How The Bible Was Compiled by italo3: 8:05am On Nov 10, 2015 |
CoolUsername: You mean an anti-Catholic source? Bring it on and let us test the veracity of its 'unbiased' answer. |
Re: Does Anyone Know Who And How The Bible Was Compiled by Nobody: 10:18am On Nov 10, 2015 |
ByfireByfire:Your mind is already made up about who I am too. And I think no matter how much I try to make you see things differently, no truth will convince you. |
Re: Does Anyone Know Who And How The Bible Was Compiled by Nobody: 10:21am On Nov 10, 2015 |
italo3:Jeez. We grew up thinking first that the bible fell down from the sky, then later that it was compiled according to God's direct instruction. Man who is so imperfect compiled the bible and I ain't seeing any divine intervention in it. I guess I could become president and ban the Bible altogether. 1 Like |
Re: Does Anyone Know Who And How The Bible Was Compiled by Nobody: 10:25am On Nov 10, 2015 |
italo3:It's so nice of you correct me in such a polite manner. There are so many theories and contradictions, we don't know what to believe anymore. |
Re: Does Anyone Know Who And How The Bible Was Compiled by CoolUsername: 11:23am On Nov 10, 2015 |
italo3:I'm just saying that you should cite a non-Catholic source. That way you'll seem less biased. Seriously, the people who attack Catholics the most are non-Catholic christians, I have no such prejudice against Catholics or anyone for that matter. |
Re: Does Anyone Know Who And How The Bible Was Compiled by italo: 12:27pm On Nov 10, 2015 |
JustTara: The liars are the ones who made you believe the Bible fell from the sky... ...because the don't want to admit that it was compiled by the Catholic Church they hate so much. So you believe the Bible teaches error... Or you believe it does not teach error? |
Re: Does Anyone Know Who And How The Bible Was Compiled by italo: 12:35pm On Nov 10, 2015 |
JustTara: I agree there is so much confusion around. But I believe that if everyone followed their conscience in sincerity and dexterity, they'd find truth. Who told you what you wrote in your original post? Who told you that a body other than the Catholic Church compiled the Bible? Can you provide the source? Let us analyze their claims. |
Re: Does Anyone Know Who And How The Bible Was Compiled by italo: 12:45pm On Nov 10, 2015 |
CoolUsername: How can a non-Catholic source know/relate better what happened within a Synod of Bishops in Rome in 382...than a Catholic source? Is there a non-family source that can tell the things your parents did in your home more than a family source? If you say your father compiled the Bible, we can prove you wrong by showing that the Bible existed before your father. Let anyone come here and claim that the bible NT as we know it was compiled before the Catholic Church did it in 382... ...and let them tell us if it was Martin Luther of 500 years ago or Adeboye of RCCG that compiled it. Then we'll analyze more. |
Re: Does Anyone Know Who And How The Bible Was Compiled by CoolUsername: 12:58pm On Nov 10, 2015 |
italo:It's a fact that the Catholic church compiled the bible. I'm just saying that citing an outside source to show this fact is better than citing a Catholic one. That way, people won't just dismiss it as propaganda. |
Re: Does Anyone Know Who And How The Bible Was Compiled by jnrbayano(m): 1:01pm On Nov 10, 2015 |
Re: Does Anyone Know Who And How The Bible Was Compiled by italo: 5:46pm On Nov 10, 2015 |
CoolUsername: Yes. You're right. However, a Catholic source that cannot be refuted is also good. |
Re: Does Anyone Know Who And How The Bible Was Compiled by Oluwaseytiano(m): 6:27pm On Nov 10, 2015 |
The catholics believe to be pure and nt finding fault in their doctine. And where has dat hubris gotten It? |
Re: Does Anyone Know Who And How The Bible Was Compiled by Anas09: 7:59pm On Nov 10, 2015 |
@Justara. First in one of ur threads you said u were pentecostal who visited Catholic church for the first time. Here I see you a born and raised catholic. Liar? Secondly, maybe its me. But are you sure U know the diff. Between writing and compilation? That's why I keep asking the catholics who are hung on the Bible being Compiled by the Catholic church. Were the writers of the Bible, old and new Testament, Catholics? Besides, why are we so fixated on who compiled the Bible? How does knowing who compiled the Bible enhance my spiritual life? How does it help me stop stealing, if I were a thief? How does it help me fine tune my language and manners? How does that change a prostitude to respectable lady with integrity? How can that info, help a confused, depressed, and frustrated guy who is at the verge of committing suide change his mind? how does that engraces me to forgive someone who took something precious from me, yet attempted to eliminate me in other not to pay me back? HOW? How does that, renews my mind and transforms my character? How does that builds my faith to live above sickness? How does that help me to accept and deal with issues in my environment. Issues like dead and suffering? How does it help a dying person accept that no matter what's happening, christ still loves them? How does that help me as lady christian stay away from fornication? How JustTara, how? You bring up irrelevant issues, and raise arguments wen there so many teachings to do. What is wrong with U coming up with a topic abt the need to forgive others who hurt us no matter what? You have an opportunity, but u are using it to raise banters. Christ didn't command you to go into the world and raise arguments. |
Re: Does Anyone Know Who And How The Bible Was Compiled by Nobody: 7:04pm On Nov 11, 2015 |
Anas09:wherever you've seen me, you've seen it wrong. I do stand corrected, the topic of my post should have been phrased better. But me claiming to be born and raised a catholic...be careful what you accuse people of. I don't see how asking a question on who and how the Bible was compiled was turned around as a motive to cause confusion or raise arguments. If I were so sure of what I browsed out, I wouldn't post it here and ask question or opinions. It's a matter of perspective, you should change yours. FYI, trying to give people the benefit of doubt doesn't mean I agree with or I'm one of them or vice versa. |
Re: Does Anyone Know Who And How The Bible Was Compiled by Nobody: 7:05pm On Nov 11, 2015 |
italo:It's so easy for us to defend our individual beliefs. Just Google it out. There are so many theories. |
Re: Does Anyone Know Who And How The Bible Was Compiled by Nobody: 7:07pm On Nov 11, 2015 |
italo:I believe we should have access to more books. If there are more books out there, I wonder if we aren't missing out on some noteworthy information... |
Re: Does Anyone Know Who And How The Bible Was Compiled by sinaj(f): 9:06pm On Nov 11, 2015 |
sonmvayina:nice one |
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