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Re: Shell Discrimination Of HND Holders, Equating Them With Bsc Third Class. by sunny2k: 3:29pm On Nov 10, 2015
c dis guy ooh ur jst waking up 4rm ur slumber when we ve bn lamenting 4 ages. let me tell u i work wit FG studied chemical engineering 4rm kad poly graduated wit upper n am in level seven n my friend n colleague whom we were absorbed d same tym read crs from kd state university graduated wit 3rd class was given level eight. i dont brag bt d dude is an empty skul even while at work n most tyms i am given responsibilities dt he cant even handle n my boss told d both of us to our faces d he wish d FG wuld ve a rethink on dis HND/BSc disparity.
Re: Shell Discrimination Of HND Holders, Equating Them With Bsc Third Class. by GoldenJAT(m): 3:31pm On Nov 10, 2015
cheeketo:
that issue spoiled my whole day, i started the application today, and the process has been going on well until i get a regret message after i filled in my class, which is not available, so i picked the HND option. its so painful, cos i wasted my whole morning, wouldn't have bothered if i was told HND shouldn't apply.
it's quite painful... I understand ur plight. Bro pls share the link for me. Let me try my luck. Or the the address to do the registration

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Re: Shell Discrimination Of HND Holders, Equating Them With Bsc Third Class. by klassd(m): 3:31pm On Nov 10, 2015
You can not equate HND to B.Sc or B.Eng because someone with HND does post graduate studies before doing M.sc and what is taught in post graduate class? 300L B.Sc or B.Eng work.
Re: Shell Discrimination Of HND Holders, Equating Them With Bsc Third Class. by armadeo(m): 3:31pm On Nov 10, 2015
walemadu:
even for your english u deserve to not be employed. be greatful and anticipate the best





Look who's talking!!!!!


Lol. This is ironic.

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Re: Shell Discrimination Of HND Holders, Equating Them With Bsc Third Class. by ajasa4link: 3:34pm On Nov 10, 2015
greatsodade:


That is true...but I saw that thing too from shell...they should simply have said they are looking for first class or second class upper or how they want it.the OP said he had been on it since morning and when he filled is result , they sent a regret mail...y waste people's time,effort and resource when they know it won't be necessay to them(shell)...so sad.

Its quite sad, but that's Nigerian job market for you. Its not peculiar to shell alone. I once got to the second stage of a top company in the financial sector only to be told they are seeking to employ someone who is 28 and above. That was the first time I heard someone being disqualified because he is too young. And I have already scaled tru first stage without being toldthat shitttt o. But just like the Op, I moved
Re: Shell Discrimination Of HND Holders, Equating Them With Bsc Third Class. by LilSmith55(m): 3:35pm On Nov 10, 2015
If this disparities/dichotomy must
exist, the following conditions must
be adopted:

.


a) Educational years in
polytechnic (from OND to HND)
should be reduced.


.

b) UTME/Post-UTME should be
scraped out for Polytechnic
candidates.
.


c) School fees in Polytechnic
should be slashed down drastically.
.


d) One year Industrial Training/
Attachment for polytechnic
students should be scrapped.
.


e) Five (5) credits SSCE
requirement for admission into
polytechnic should be reduced to (3) credits.
.


f) Subjects offered in Polytechnics
(both OND and HND) should be
reduced.


.
g) Carry-over should be scraped
from Polytechnic.


.
h) Theoretical exams should be
dropped, while objective exams
adopted for Polytechnic.



That's All and Let's the discrimination continues
Re: Shell Discrimination Of HND Holders, Equating Them With Bsc Third Class. by klassd(m): 3:41pm On Nov 10, 2015
fratermathy:
This is getting too old and stale.

While I do not support totally embarrassing HND graduates and denying them of promotions, appointments and a chance to make a successful career, it should be noted that HND and B.Sc/B.A/B.Agric/B.Tech/LL.B/B.Fisheries/MBBS/DVM are different and the dichotomy must be emphasised.
HND is a technical diploma. It is technically not even a Degree but a National Diploma. B.Sc and its other appellations are the recognised standard for academic, theoretical and career based jobs and appointments. That is not to say HND cannot be used. It is just that HND is better off for handy middle-levelled and technical jobs/careers. The whole essence of HND is to make sure that there are middle-levelled skilled people in the society that can be called upon and relied on for their technical expertise. University graduates are seen as having done a theoretical study with much intellectual rigour and are, thus, deemed to have a high intellectual acuity for certain professions and careers. This must be known and not relegated. No matter how much sentiments come in and no matter how much we try to equate these certifications, the sacrosanct fact is that they are not the same. As long as one is a "Diploma" and another is a "Degree", they can NEVER be treated equal and same.

On the issue of Shell equating HND with Third Class, I have iterated in the previous paragraph that HND is not seen as an intellectually inclined degree but rather as a technically inclined diploma. Having a Distinction in HND only proves that you have an excellent technical expertise, perhaps even beyond that of University Degree holders. However, this does not translate into the fact that you are intellectually buoyant enough to stand a University First Class product. It doesn't add up. For one, our Nigerian Polytechnics operate a 4 points GPA system as opposed to the 5 Points used in our Nigerian varsities. Secondly, the units of courses taken in HND programmes are far lower, both individually and cumulatively, when compared with a University. Thirdly, the course contents in Polytechnics are peripheral and elementary as opposed to that of a University! Fourthly, the calibre of academic staff and their standing is much lower than that of a University. For one, a Polytechnic cannot have a Professorial Cadre! Polytechnics usually have substandard facilities and make-shift labs and instruments. All these come together to haunt the graduates of Nigerian Polytechnics!

The solution to all these bifurcations is easy. Polytechnics should be made to award a B.Tech rather than an "Ordinary" or "Higher" diploma. Polytechnic facilities should be overhauled and made to standards. The Professorial Cadre, alongside its competitive and cumbersome "floating" process, should be introduced to the Polytechnics. Polytechnics should employ the 5 or more Points GPA system and courses should be well developed, standard and carry higher units! In fact, the term Polytechnic should be hijacked from parlance and replaced with University of Technology or any other soothing appellation. We should always strive to follow the UK pattern in our technological pedagogical system.

Finally, on the issue of ostracization and stigmatization, I believe it is only Nigerian Legislative Bodies that can end this once and for all. As long as they are comfortable with it, nothing will change! Let's just stop flogging this issue and look forward to better things! This issue has been discussed, ignited and quenched severally since Nigerian employers' decisions to employ preferential treatments! It is time we either take drastic measures or simply let it go as we have always done.

#MyTake
Mr. Baminasri, I am sorry about your plight! Your best is yet to come. I'd advise you to get a PGD and possibly a Masters though.


CC:
Freemanan, Freeemanan, Goodboiy, Scholes0, LordAdam; What do you think? wink

Nice comment, I school in a federal university of technology awarding B.Tech....those with HND who come to do PGD are taught 300L courses so you can imagine someone with HND doing 300L course work what do you think they'll be taught in M.sc? 400L and 500L course work.

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Re: Shell Discrimination Of HND Holders, Equating Them With Bsc Third Class. by fratermathy(m): 3:42pm On Nov 10, 2015
awa:



For inside your mind, you have made a wonderful contribution? The more I read you the more I realised the true problem we have in Nigeria as per the said discriminations...



Did you even read my comment well? I even advocated against discrimination and provided solutions so I am perplexed that you'd say this.

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Re: Shell Discrimination Of HND Holders, Equating Them With Bsc Third Class. by Nobody: 3:44pm On Nov 10, 2015
okay.
Re: Shell Discrimination Of HND Holders, Equating Them With Bsc Third Class. by Nobody: 3:45pm On Nov 10, 2015
fratermathy:
This is getting too old and stale.

While I do not support totally embarrassing HND graduates and denying them of promotions, appointments and a chance to make a successful career, it should be noted that HND and B.Sc/B.A/B.Agric/B.Tech/LL.B/B.Fisheries/MBBS/DVM are different and the dichotomy must be emphasised.
HND is a technical diploma. It is technically not even a Degree but a National Diploma. B.Sc and its other appellations are the recognised standard for academic, theoretical and career based jobs and appointments. That is not to say HND cannot be used. It is just that HND is better off for handy middle-levelled and technical jobs/careers. The whole essence of HND is to make sure that there are middle-levelled skilled people in the society that can be called upon and relied on for their technical expertise. University graduates are seen as having done a theoretical study with much intellectual rigour and are, thus, deemed to have a high intellectual acuity for certain professions and careers. This must be known and not relegated. No matter how much sentiments come in and no matter how much we try to equate these certifications, the sacrosanct fact is that they are not the same. As long as one is a "Diploma" and another is a "Degree", they can NEVER be treated equal and same.

On the issue of Shell equating HND with Third Class, I have iterated in the previous paragraph that HND is not seen as an intellectually inclined degree but rather as a technically inclined diploma. Having a Distinction in HND only proves that you have an excellent technical expertise, perhaps even beyond that of University Degree holders. However, this does not translate into the fact that you are intellectually buoyant enough to stand a University First Class product. It doesn't add up. For one, our Nigerian Polytechnics operate a 4 points GPA system as opposed to the 5 Points used in our Nigerian varsities. Secondly, the units of courses taken in HND programmes are far lower, both individually and cumulatively, when compared with a University. Thirdly, the course contents in Polytechnics are peripheral and elementary as opposed to that of a University! Fourthly, the calibre of academic staff and their standing is much lower than that of a University. For one, a Polytechnic cannot have a Professorial Cadre! Polytechnics usually have substandard facilities and make-shift labs and instruments. All these come together to haunt the graduates of Nigerian Polytechnics!

The solution to all these bifurcations is easy. Polytechnics should be made to award a B.Tech rather than an "Ordinary" or "Higher" diploma. Polytechnic facilities should be overhauled and made to standards. The Professorial Cadre, alongside its competitive and cumbersome "floating" process, should be introduced to the Polytechnics. Polytechnics should employ the 5 or more Points GPA system and courses should be well developed, standard and carry higher units! In fact, the term Polytechnic should be hijacked from parlance and replaced with University of Technology or any other soothing appellation. We should always strive to follow the UK pattern in our technological pedagogical system.

Finally, on the issue of ostracization and stigmatization, I believe it is only Nigerian Legislative Bodies that can end this once and for all. As long as they are comfortable with it, nothing will change! Let's just stop flogging this issue and look forward to better things! This issue has been discussed, ignited and quenched severally since Nigerian employers' decisions to employ preferential treatments! It is time we either take drastic measures or simply let it go as we have always done.

#MyTake
Mr. Baminasri, I am sorry about your plight! Your best is yet to come. I'd advise you to get a PGD and possibly a Masters though.


CC:
Freemanan, Freeemanan, Goodboiy, Scholes0, LordAdam; What do you think? wink


You're a fool, simply tell your useless government to scarp polytechnic... Rubbish
Re: Shell Discrimination Of HND Holders, Equating Them With Bsc Third Class. by Nobody: 3:47pm On Nov 10, 2015
satowind:
But is true nah


Any way take heart and stop wailing

Wailing ko sailing ni... See him ugly face and tongue like lizard..
Re: Shell Discrimination Of HND Holders, Equating Them With Bsc Third Class. by Nobody: 3:49pm On Nov 10, 2015
Idrismusty97:
Truth is that no one goes to the polytechnic willingly.


#true

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Re: Shell Discrimination Of HND Holders, Equating Them With Bsc Third Class. by lilmizwierd(f): 3:51pm On Nov 10, 2015
dipopooo:
The issue of Bsc & HND is settled. For gudness sake Bsc is d baba. E easy to go university? Ogbeni, stop complaining go obtain DE form.
Thank you jhoor
It's the Norm everywhere
B.Sc is the oga at the top then the HND guys can step in
It's not just shell every company does that
That's why teachers run to get Master's the more qualification the higher thy salary
Meanwhile shell harsh o second class for good cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesycheesy
Re: Shell Discrimination Of HND Holders, Equating Them With Bsc Third Class. by fratermathy(m): 3:52pm On Nov 10, 2015
udemzy101:



You're a fool, simply tell your useless government to scarp polytechnic... Rubbish

And what have you just proven about you and your lots? cheesy


Take your time to read and digest my post.

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Re: Shell Discrimination Of HND Holders, Equating Them With Bsc Third Class. by Nobody: 3:52pm On Nov 10, 2015
Nobody is saying the government should equate HND to BSc... Yeah, we know they can never be the same but pls give them their own respect, and not making it look like the HND holders are house maid to BSc holders...


Better still, scrap the institution called polytechnic and let everyone one focus on going to university..

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Re: Shell Discrimination Of HND Holders, Equating Them With Bsc Third Class. by Nobody: 3:56pm On Nov 10, 2015
Did my BsC for 5yrs. One poly student will say we are the same thing?

If i slap am ehn, sharply will dae see the difference..

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Re: Shell Discrimination Of HND Holders, Equating Them With Bsc Third Class. by blank(f): 3:58pm On Nov 10, 2015
The truth is bitter.
Re: Shell Discrimination Of HND Holders, Equating Them With Bsc Third Class. by Progress2468(m): 4:00pm On Nov 10, 2015
sanandreas:
There are alot of hnd graduate in shell. Change ur mindset. Shell is very just and fair in recruiting. You don't need to have somebody there. Apply pass all the stages of recruitment. U will get it. It's a long process though. Recruitment exercise can take up to six months. I know someone who was employed with Hnd from PTI recently.

My broda pls do u know if they are accepting 2.2 in this current recruitment ?
Re: Shell Discrimination Of HND Holders, Equating Them With Bsc Third Class. by bookworm07(m): 4:03pm On Nov 10, 2015
adepeter26:
Did my BsC for 5yrs. One poly student will say we are the same thing?

If i slap am ehn, sharply will dae see the difference..
This is why Nigerian graduates are jobless
Re: Shell Discrimination Of HND Holders, Equating Them With Bsc Third Class. by Zaikon(m): 4:04pm On Nov 10, 2015
fratermathy:
This is getting too old and stale.

While I do not support totally embarrassing HND graduates and denying them of promotions, appointments and a chance to make a successful career, it should be noted that HND and B.Sc/B.A/B.Agric/B.Tech/LL.B/B.Fisheries/MBBS/DVM are different and the dichotomy must be emphasised.
HND is a technical diploma. It is technically not even a Degree but a National Diploma. B.Sc and its other appellations are the recognised standard for academic, theoretical and career based jobs and appointments. That is not to say HND cannot be used. It is just that HND is better off for handy middle-levelled and technical jobs/careers. The whole essence of HND is to make sure that there are middle-levelled skilled people in the society that can be called upon and relied on for their technical expertise. University graduates are seen as having done a theoretical study with much intellectual rigour and are, thus, deemed to have a high intellectual acuity for certain professions and careers. This must be known and not relegated. No matter how much sentiments come in and no matter how much we try to equate these certifications, the sacrosanct fact is that they are not the same. As long as one is a "Diploma" and another is a "Degree", they can NEVER be treated equal and same.

On the issue of Shell equating HND with Third Class, I have iterated in the previous paragraph that HND is not seen as an intellectually inclined degree but rather as a technically inclined diploma. Having a Distinction in HND only proves that you have an excellent technical expertise, perhaps even beyond that of University Degree holders. However, this does not translate into the fact that you are intellectually buoyant enough to stand a University First Class product. It doesn't add up. For one, our Nigerian Polytechnics operate a 4 points GPA system as opposed to the 5 Points used in our Nigerian varsities. Secondly, the units of courses taken in HND programmes are far lower, both individually and cumulatively, when compared with a University. Thirdly, the course contents in Polytechnics are peripheral and elementary as opposed to that of a University! Fourthly, the calibre of academic staff and their standing is much lower than that of a University. For one, a Polytechnic cannot have a Professorial Cadre! Polytechnics usually have substandard facilities and make-shift labs and instruments. All these come together to haunt the graduates of Nigerian Polytechnics!

The solution to all these bifurcations is easy. Polytechnics should be made to award a B.Tech rather than an "Ordinary" or "Higher" diploma. Polytechnic facilities should be overhauled and made to standards. The Professorial Cadre, alongside its competitive and cumbersome "floating" process, should be introduced to the Polytechnics. Polytechnics should employ the 5 or more Points GPA system and courses should be well developed, standard and carry higher units! In fact, the term Polytechnic should be hijacked from parlance and replaced with University of Technology or any other soothing appellation. We should always strive to follow the UK pattern in our technological pedagogical system.

Finally, on the issue of ostracization and stigmatization, I believe it is only Nigerian Legislative Bodies that can end this once and for all. As long as they are comfortable with it, nothing will change! Let's just stop flogging this issue and look forward to better things! This issue has been discussed, ignited and quenched severally since Nigerian employers' decisions to employ preferential treatments! It is time we either take drastic measures or simply let it go as we have always done.

#MyTake
Mr. Baminasri, I am sorry about your plight! Your best is yet to come. I'd advise you to get a PGD and possibly a Masters though.


CC:
Freemanan, Freeemanan, Goodboiy, Scholes0, LordAdam; What do you think? wink
justified ...


not some silly comments up dia
Re: Shell Discrimination Of HND Holders, Equating Them With Bsc Third Class. by goldfish27(m): 4:05pm On Nov 10, 2015
dipopooo:
The issue of Bsc & HND is settled. For gudness sake Bsc is d baba. E easy to go university? Ogbeni, stop complaining go obtain DE form.

Weytin dey d so called universities....we blacks give too much attention to institution n not one's ability....u fit no go higher institution n beta pass person wey go uni or poly......Bsc my foot n d land is diein... Go china n other place even Aba self mak u see weytin ssce dey produce..even d english wey dey come out of some Bsc mouth self na apology......If Nigeria want to grow we need to put d right pple at d right places n not who know who or uni or poly and we will be great....
Re: Shell Discrimination Of HND Holders, Equating Them With Bsc Third Class. by armadeo(m): 4:06pm On Nov 10, 2015
udemzy101:



You're a fool, simply tell your useless government to scarp polytechnic... Rubbish



You dey fall your hand. If you can't comprehend that that post is actually in favour of polytechnics then there's no point.

If you are a poly graduate you are sub-par.

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Re: Shell Discrimination Of HND Holders, Equating Them With Bsc Third Class. by Philosopher1979: 4:06pm On Nov 10, 2015
NIGERIANS DONT UNDERSTAND EDUCATION (THAT IS THE MAIN PROBLEM)

Polytechnic education emphasises on the practical side of Knowledge and therefore, people with polytechnique education
are suppossed to be better in Industry. For example a person who studied engineering in a polytechnique will be better in
industry for practical purposes. Its real purpose is for the production of middle level technical manpower needed for industrial and technological development of the country. It is not necceesarily worse than a bsc BUT IT SERVES A DIFFERENT PURPOSE.
University education is basically theoretical and research based and it is good for those who want to be lecturers or work in research.
To be honest, an oil company should prefer a polytechnic graduate with practical experience because that is what is NEEDED IN INDUSTRY.
Industry is about making money and not research or theoretical knowledge.
One of the distinguishing features of polytechnic education is the strong emphasis on practice-based learning. Work attachment is included as part of the practical curriculum. This enables students to gain on-the-job experience. The education provided is directly relevant to the country as well as the students’ future careers. One thing that is lacking in Nigeria presently is the dearth of technical manpower required in building and transforming a third-world economy to a world class economy. Shockingly, with our unemployed youthful population, over 5,000 Chinese artisans are working in Nigeria, according to the president of the Association of Professional Bodies of Nigeria.
In reality, a country needs polytechnic education to grow as we need technicians that can actually invent and produce things that can be marketed instead of just theoriticians alone.
THE PROBLEM WITH US IN NIGERIA IS THAT WE DONT UNDERSTAND EDUCATION OR THE PURPOSE OF POLYTECHNICS. WE ARE JUST A BUNCH OR EDUCATED ILLITERATES

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Re: Shell Discrimination Of HND Holders, Equating Them With Bsc Third Class. by Nobody: 4:13pm On Nov 10, 2015
armadeo:




You dey fall your hand. If you can't comprehend that that post is actually in favour of polytechnics then there's no point.

If you are a poly graduate you are sub-par.



I use cutlass cut am? If you can't comprehend mine then why did u quote me?

Whether it favours polytechnic or university that's none of my business...
Re: Shell Discrimination Of HND Holders, Equating Them With Bsc Third Class. by Ahmedhussain3463: 4:14pm On Nov 10, 2015
Emasel:
Why would Shell do this?

There are some smart HND graduates, I've met a few.
pls if u r to sympathize wit HND graduate it shuld b holistic|wht do u mean by there are some smart HND graduate?am a hnd graduate of public administration and av engage in lot of intellectual argument wit my counterpart in university and dey av never proven more sound dan me in any topic of discus|is all abt our acumen and hw we utilize our mental alertness|na naija government i blame nt shell,d useless government is more interested in paper as against competend mind|broda am nt taken swipe at u bt am nt happi wit d tune u use to show concern for politechnic student |
Re: Shell Discrimination Of HND Holders, Equating Them With Bsc Third Class. by armadeo(m): 4:17pm On Nov 10, 2015
udemzy101:




I use cutlass cut am? If you can't comprehend mine then why did u quote me?

Whether it favours polytechnic or university that's none of my business...




https://www.nairaland.com/2726306/article-frustration-life-lordoftheweed




This might help you.

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Re: Shell Discrimination Of HND Holders, Equating Them With Bsc Third Class. by Alani86: 4:20pm On Nov 10, 2015
lilmizwierd:

Thank you jhoor
It's the Norm everywhere
B.Sc is the oga at the top then the HND guys can step in
It's not just shell every company does that
That's why teachers run to get Master's the more qualification the higher thy salary
Meanwhile shell harsh o second class for good cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesycheesy



As a human being, I can say I'm 99% sure that neither of you can withstand this guy in any aptitude test! Most of you only by chance carry empty certificates about. What makes you think you are more privileged than he is, for being a university graduate? Only time and chance, if you care to know.

By God's grace, I finished with second class upper from a prestigious university. Yet, I know there are several HND holders who are more intelligent and creative than I am. I just wonder what shell and the likes look for in an applicant; is it the certificate or the brain/personality?
I see a fleet of Bsc holders with little or no brian, let alone a comely ATTITUDE.

In conclusion, I'll advise you and anyone who's in your shoes to please try as much as possible to step it up. You might be the one your generation is waiting for to stop this madness. Do everything possible (with God) to take the mantle and correct the wrong. You can never be limited by anybody, let alone a piece of paper called certificate!

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Re: Shell Discrimination Of HND Holders, Equating Them With Bsc Third Class. by Dentale(f): 4:24pm On Nov 10, 2015
[quote author=fratermathy post=39874582]This is getting too old and stale.
.../quote]

Wow Fratermathy, well said! My oniovo representing. Wado!

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Re: Shell Discrimination Of HND Holders, Equating Them With Bsc Third Class. by LordOfTheWeed: 4:25pm On Nov 10, 2015

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Re: Shell Discrimination Of HND Holders, Equating Them With Bsc Third Class. by Ahmedhussain3463: 4:25pm On Nov 10, 2015
dipopooo:
The issue of Bsc & HND is settled. For gudness sake Bsc is d baba. E easy to go university? Ogbeni, stop complaining go obtain DE form.
see ur small mind|u dnt even sound like a university graduate|ur contribution to dis topic i very miopic,shallow,narrow and foolish.may b na thirdclass upper dey brag here wit university certificate|plan b product

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Re: Shell Discrimination Of HND Holders, Equating Them With Bsc Third Class. by kayusely: 4:29pm On Nov 10, 2015
fratermathy:
This is getting too old and stale.

While I do not support totally embarrassing HND graduates and denying them of promotions, appointments and a chance to make a successful career, it should be noted that HND and B.Sc/B.A/B.Agric/B.Tech/LL.B/B.Fisheries/MBBS/DVM are different and the dichotomy must be emphasised.
HND is a technical diploma. It is technically not even a Degree but a National Diploma. B.Sc and its other appellations are the recognised standard for academic, theoretical and career based jobs and appointments. That is not to say HND cannot be used. It is just that HND is better off for handy middle-levelled and technical jobs/careers. The whole essence of HND is to make sure that there are middle-levelled skilled people in the society that can be called upon and relied on for their technical expertise. University graduates are seen as having done a theoretical study with much intellectual rigour and are, thus, deemed to have a high intellectual acuity for certain professions and careers. This must be known and not relegated. No matter how much sentiments come in and no matter how much we try to equate these certifications, the sacrosanct fact is that they are not the same. As long as one is a "Diploma" and another is a "Degree", they can NEVER be treated equal and same.

On the issue of Shell equating HND with Third Class, I have iterated in the previous paragraph that HND is not seen as an intellectually inclined degree but rather as a technically inclined diploma. Having a Distinction in HND only proves that you have an excellent technical expertise, perhaps even beyond that of University Degree holders. However, this does not translate into the fact that you are intellectually buoyant enough to stand a University First Class product. It doesn't add up. For one, our Nigerian Polytechnics operate a 4 points GPA system as opposed to the 5 Points used in our Nigerian varsities. Secondly, the units of courses taken in HND programmes are far lower, both individually and cumulatively, when compared with a University. Thirdly, the course contents in Polytechnics are peripheral and elementary as opposed to that of a University! Fourthly, the calibre of academic staff and their standing is much lower than that of a University. For one, a Polytechnic cannot have a Professorial Cadre! Polytechnics usually have substandard facilities and make-shift labs and instruments. All these come together to haunt the graduates of Nigerian Polytechnics!

The solution to all these bifurcations is easy. Polytechnics should be made to award a B.Tech rather than an "Ordinary" or "Higher" diploma. Polytechnic facilities should be overhauled and made to standards. The Professorial Cadre, alongside its competitive and cumbersome "floating" process, should be introduced to the Polytechnics. Polytechnics should employ the 5 or more Points GPA system and courses should be well developed, standard and carry higher units! In fact, the term "Polytechnic" should be hijacked from parlance and replaced with University of Technology or any other soothing appellation. We should always strive to follow the UK pattern in our technological pedagogical system.

Finally, on the issue of ostracization and stigmatization, I believe it is only Nigerian Legislative Bodies that can end this once and for all. As long as they are comfortable with it, nothing will change! Let's just stop flogging this issue and look forward to better things! This issue has been discussed, ignited and quenched severally since Nigerian employers' decisions to employ preferential treatments! It is time we either take drastic measures or simply let it go as we have always done.

#MyTake
Mr. Baminasri, I am sorry about your plight! Your best is yet to come. I'd advise you to get a PGD and possibly a Masters though.


CC:
Freemanan, Freeemann, Goodboiy, Scholes0, LordAdam; What do you think? wink
In addition to your submission, the issue of entry qualification is also a major factor. Universities demand for five credit passes in WASSCE (others even six) while polytechnics take four credits.

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Re: Shell Discrimination Of HND Holders, Equating Them With Bsc Third Class. by oismail(m): 4:29pm On Nov 10, 2015
Laburus:
I can feel your Pain. Funny How No BSc Holder compare himself with you.
Not bragging Though NOBODY have Diploma of any type in my Family and its a big Family.


Going to University is not a Privilege it's your Choice and Right.

May God provide for us all as we Learn to be humble. smiley



It's your choice and right?
I cant blame ur little brain because that's what you deserve. Well it is ur choice. Accepted. Who told you it's not everybodies choice? Does that mean that those who weren't admitted didn't make the same choice too? And you are telling me here that itsnt a previllege.
I don't know the right you are referring to. Are you referring to the right to education or the right to be admitted into Uni?
If everyone wants to claim right, school go accommodate us?
You are ill-brain ask your neighbour cux your family might not tell you the basic truth!

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