I have the same issue as well.

I graduated with distinction in statistics. I know my worth and ability. If I am opportune to study in a uni, I am 100% sure that I will graduate with first class.

Op, move on. Better place ahead

armadeo:




https://www.nairaland.com/2726306/article-frustration-life-lordoftheweed



This might help you.

Jobless mofo.. He wan carry my matter for him small head like canopy...


Mtcheeew

I am an HND graduate in mechanical engineering. I got my first job with Access Bank PLC as a contract staff...had to resign because of the policy that states that a contract staff is not entitle to promotion and other benefits. The company is theirs' and they can do whatsoever they like with it...they can bring in any kind of policy. Making it in life is not based on the paper we called the certicate, it is from within. I know some of my readers can mention a host of people who aren't graduates but are employers of graduates. Our own Aliko Dangote only got a diploma from an institution in Cairo (Egypt), don't know if he has added to his certificates. If truely you are better than some graduates in some universities, then prove it. I graduated from Lagos State Polytechnic and I have slept in Unilag to take some students in a maths course. Being good is not by school but an individual ability. I left Access Bank in the year 2010 and my immediate boss does not want me to...but my mind was made up. She does not have the power to change the policy as she too was employee. I said to myself, if truely i am better than what i was offered, i need to prove it. After resigning, I wrote different aptitude tests in some oil companies(Saipem, NLNG, Cheveron, NNPC...I travelled to Abuja (NNPC Towers) for and interview in NNPC in 2010. Both the job and the transport fare did not get to me. I still believed that I will be great...at a point, I stopped searching for a job. I started searching for what I can do to make the world a better place. What can I do better than other? I have heard that when you offer value, people will offer you money. I began to read stories of people like Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Aliko Dangote, Mike Adenuga, Steve Jobs(late) and others. Do you know what made them become renowned? Ability to think for others (solving people's problem). I prayed to God to give what to do...He answered me indeed and gave me what to do. Today, I have published a unique book and designed a mathematics board game(not in the market yet)...I have a host of other products and unique services in mind. I need just 4 people who will be willing to team up with me as co-owners of this great organization about to be birthed. Interested person should be knowledgeable in maths (our policy not discrimination, each organization has one) and be a good speaker. Interested person(s) should whatsapp me on 08037686908. If the environment is not favourable, then create one. Don't let people judge you by your cerificate but by what you can offer...be creative and think entrepreneur.

fratermathy:
This is getting too old and stale.

While I do not support totally embarrassing HND graduates and denying them of promotions, appointments and a chance to make a successful career, it should be noted that HND and B.Sc/B.A/B.Agric/B.Tech/LL.B/B.Fisheries/MBBS/DVM are different and the dichotomy must be emphasised.
HND is a technical diploma. It is technically not even a Degree but a National Diploma. B.Sc and its other appellations are the recognised standard for academic, theoretical and career based jobs and appointments. That is not to say HND cannot be used. It is just that HND is better off for handy middle-levelled and technical jobs/careers. The whole essence of HND is to make sure that there are middle-levelled skilled people in the society that can be called upon and relied on for their technical expertise. University graduates are seen as having done a theoretical study with much intellectual rigour and are, thus, deemed to have a high intellectual acuity for certain professions and careers. This must be known and not relegated. No matter how much sentiments come in and no matter how much we try to equate these certifications, the sacrosanct fact is that they are not the same. As long as one is a "Diploma" and another is a "Degree", they can NEVER be treated equal and same.

On the issue of Shell equating HND with Third Class, I have iterated in the previous paragraph that HND is not seen as an intellectually inclined degree but rather as a technically inclined diploma. Having a Distinction in HND only proves that you have an excellent technical expertise, perhaps even beyond that of University Degree holders. However, this does not translate into the fact that you are intellectually buoyant enough to stand a University First Class product. It doesn't add up. For one, our Nigerian Polytechnics operate a 4 points GPA system as opposed to the 5 Points used in our Nigerian varsities. Secondly, the units of courses taken in HND programmes are far lower, both individually and cumulatively, when compared with a University. Thirdly, the course contents in Polytechnics are peripheral and elementary as opposed to that of a University! Fourthly, the calibre of academic staff and their standing is much lower than that of a University. For one, a Polytechnic cannot have a Professorial Cadre! Polytechnics usually have substandard facilities and make-shift labs and instruments. All these come together to haunt the graduates of Nigerian Polytechnics!

The solution to all these bifurcations is easy. Polytechnics should be made to award a B.Tech rather than an "Ordinary" or "Higher" diploma. Polytechnic facilities should be overhauled and made to standards. The Professorial Cadre, alongside its competitive and cumbersome "floating" process, should be introduced to the Polytechnics. Polytechnics should employ the 5 or more Points GPA system and courses should be well developed, standard and carry higher units! In fact, the term "Polytechnic" should be hijacked from parlance and replaced with University of Technology or any other soothing appellation. We should always strive to follow the UK pattern in our technological pedagogical system.

Finally, on the issue of ostracization and stigmatization, I believe it is only Nigerian Legislative Bodies that can end this once and for all. As long as they are comfortable with it, nothing will change! Let's just stop flogging this issue and look forward to better things! This issue has been discussed, ignited and quenched severally since Nigerian employers' decisions to employ preferential treatments! It is time we either take drastic measures or simply let it go as we have always done.

#MyTake
Mr. Baminasri, I am sorry about your plight! Your best is yet to come. I'd advise you to get a PGD and possibly a Masters though.


CC:
Freemanan, Freeemanan, Goodboiy, Scholes0, LordAdam; What do you think?

May you continue to grow in wisdom, I so much like your comment.

#Very Nice.

bro, y complaining, y can't u go and establish urself in ur professional line? Degree or HND holder depends on his/her salary. Y can't u be an employer of labour. Those that are condemning u will surely wait till month ending before they can survive. In ur professional field, there is no discrimination, be it engineering, surveying, estate management etc. U can become an Engineer, registered surveyor, chartered accountant, etc., with ur HND and professional certificate.
Don't use that as an excuse for ur failure, D SKY IS UR STARTING POINT.

fratermathy:
This is getting too old and stale.

While I do not support totally embarrassing HND graduates and denying them of promotions, appointments and a chance to make a successful career, it should be noted that HND and B.Sc/B.A/B.Agric/B.Tech/LL.B/B.Fisheries/MBBS/DVM are different and the dichotomy must be emphasised.
HND is a technical diploma. It is technically not even a Degree but a National Diploma. B.Sc and its other appellations are the recognised standard for academic, theoretical and career based jobs and appointments. That is not to say HND cannot be used. It is just that HND is better off for handy middle-levelled and technical jobs/careers. The whole essence of HND is to make sure that there are middle-levelled skilled people in the society that can be called upon and relied on for their technical expertise. University graduates are seen as having done a theoretical study with much intellectual rigour and are, thus, deemed to have a high intellectual acuity for certain professions and careers. This must be known and not relegated. No matter how much sentiments come in and no matter how much we try to equate these certifications, the sacrosanct fact is that they are not the same. As long as one is a "Diploma" and another is a "Degree", they can NEVER be treated equal and same.

On the issue of Shell equating HND with Third Class, I have iterated in the previous paragraph that HND is not seen as an intellectually inclined degree but rather as a technically inclined diploma. Having a Distinction in HND only proves that you have an excellent technical expertise, perhaps even beyond that of University Degree holders. However, this does not translate into the fact that you are intellectually buoyant enough to stand a University First Class product. It doesn't add up. For one, our Nigerian Polytechnics operate a 4 points GPA system as opposed to the 5 Points used in our Nigerian varsities. Secondly, the units of courses taken in HND programmes are far lower, both individually and cumulatively, when compared with a University. Thirdly, the course contents in Polytechnics are peripheral and elementary as opposed to that of a University! Fourthly, the calibre of academic staff and their standing is much lower than that of a University. For one, a Polytechnic cannot have a Professorial Cadre! Polytechnics usually have substandard facilities and make-shift labs and instruments. All these come together to haunt the graduates of Nigerian Polytechnics!

The solution to all these bifurcations is easy. Polytechnics should be made to award a B.Tech rather than an "Ordinary" or "Higher" diploma. Polytechnic facilities should be overhauled and made to standards. The Professorial Cadre, alongside its competitive and cumbersome "floating" process, should be introduced to the Polytechnics. Polytechnics should employ the 5 or more Points GPA system and courses should be well developed, standard and carry higher units! In fact, the term Polytechnic should be hijacked from parlance and replaced with University of Technology or any other soothing appellation. We should always strive to follow the UK pattern in our technological pedagogical system.

Finally, on the issue of ostracization and stigmatization, I believe it is only Nigerian Legislative Bodies that can end this once and for all. As long as they are comfortable with it, nothing will change! Let's just stop flogging this issue and look forward to better things! This issue has been discussed, ignited and quenched severally since Nigerian employers' decisions to employ preferential treatments! It is time we either take drastic measures or simply let it go as we have always done.

#MyTake
Mr. Baminasri, I am sorry about your plight! Your best is yet to come. I'd advise you to get a PGD and possibly a Masters though.


CC:
Freemanan, Freeemanan, Goodboiy, Scholes0, LordAdam; What do you think?

Sincerely, you made some really good points! Bt i will like to draw your attention to one of your points which is "our Nigerian Polytechnics operate a 4 points GPA system as opposed to the 5 Points used in our Nigerian varsities". Brother, it is true. But I've you tried finding out about how polytechincs grade their scores i.e 70=A, 60-B? For instance, in my GF's school (university), 70=A while in my school (polytechnic), 75=A. Whats ur say about this?

I just taya for this thread, yesterday, person open a thread on if "ND" holders fit earn 80k naira, and many men dey yarn say even SSCE is possible.. And now dis my guy don write e own about "HND", which one we go believe na ?

wolesmile:
I know quite a number of HND holders that are far better than BSc holders...... in all ramifications!!!

you don't have to go too far sir,I finished with a HND for a start,(though went further and higher ),I am yet to meet my university friend or competitor who can do as much as God has endowed me with.(to be frank ,its been God all d way o).i have left the shores of this nation number of times and I still haven't met my mates In Europe who (at my age and stand )can beat me in engineering. Analysis (once again ,its bin god all d way o,never the work of my head or hands ).may be i can be termed gifted i. That area, but i am proud of my first love and certificate (HND)FROM A LOCAL POLYTECHNIC!!!!.but it has been hard work. Coupled with favor, not cheap talk.i expect all poly graduate to follow suite and grow ,most of us are too weak and crude,very unrefined ,from our grammer to comportment and the likes..... nevertheless,I have met few distinguished mentors and gurus under the polytechnic setting,lots of them have influenced me.i have my child hood friends who I grew with,virtually all of them have attained some level some of feat In Life,(women inclusive o),but I realized that out if them all,na me God take senior them interms of technical analysis of matters (all of them went to the uni for first degree save yours truly that went to a local polytechnic).I am ever proud to be a graduate of a polytechnic ,God is d only one that can lift a man up,your certificate can't even make way for you and make room for you,IT IS ONLY YOUR GIFT OR TALENT.

I attended a poly because I didn't want to waste any time at home as soon as I was out of secondary school.Although I only wanted to get an OND before going for direct entry,but one thing lead to the other and I decided to go on with my HND even after securing a direct entry.
As soon as I concluded my NYSC,I got a job;after working for a while,I went back to the university as a direct entry student.

After spending three more years in the university to get a degree,I can boldly tell any poly graduate that universities and polytechnics are two different insitutions of learning even in terms of courses offered,presentation of term papers,researches,projects,marking scheme, etc.

Polytechnics and universities have their areas of specilization theoritically,practically and otherwise.Seeing one as superior to the other is quite unecessary.If Nigeria can harness the potentials of both institutions,it'll be better than this unending discrimination.

I indulge all poly graduates to stop whinning and apply their initiative in their respective fields so as to enable them compete with their rivals.Also,most university graduates don't really have much to offer as it's not all about your degree,but your cabability.
The real world has nothing to do with your degree,but surely,who you are is boldly spelt out in your achievement.

fratermathy:
This is getting too old and stale.

While I do not support totally embarrassing HND graduates and denying them of promotions, appointments and a chance to make a successful career, it should be noted that HND and B.Sc/B.A/B.Agric/B.Tech/LL.B/B.Fisheries/MBBS/DVM are different and the dichotomy must be emphasised.
HND is a technical diploma. It is technically not even a Degree but a National Diploma. B.Sc and its other appellations are the recognised standard for academic, theoretical and career based jobs and appointments. That is not to say HND cannot be used. It is just that HND is better off for handy middle-levelled and technical jobs/careers. The whole essence of HND is to make sure that there are middle-levelled skilled people in the society that can be called upon and relied on for their technical expertise. University graduates are seen as having done a theoretical study with much intellectual rigour and are, thus, deemed to have a high intellectual acuity for certain professions and careers. This must be known and not relegated. No matter how much sentiments come in and no matter how much we try to equate these certifications, the sacrosanct fact is that they are not the same. As long as one is a "Diploma" and another is a "Degree", they can NEVER be treated equal and same.

On the issue of Shell equating HND with Third Class, I have iterated in the previous paragraph that HND is not seen as an intellectually inclined degree but rather as a technically inclined diploma. Having a Distinction in HND only proves that you have an excellent technical expertise, perhaps even beyond that of University Degree holders. However, this does not translate into the fact that you are intellectually buoyant enough to stand a University First Class product. It doesn't add up. For one, our Nigerian Polytechnics operate a 4 points GPA system as opposed to the 5 Points used in our Nigerian varsities. Secondly, the units of courses taken in HND programmes are far lower, both individually and cumulatively, when compared with a University. Thirdly, the course contents in Polytechnics are peripheral and elementary as opposed to that of a University! Fourthly, the calibre of academic staff and their standing is much lower than that of a University. For one, a Polytechnic cannot have a Professorial Cadre! Polytechnics usually have substandard facilities and make-shift labs and instruments. All these come together to haunt the graduates of Nigerian Polytechnics!

The solution to all these bifurcations is easy. Polytechnics should be made to award a B.Tech rather than an "Ordinary" or "Higher" diploma. Polytechnic facilities should be overhauled and made to standards. The Professorial Cadre, alongside its competitive and cumbersome "floating" process, should be introduced to the Polytechnics. Polytechnics should employ the 5 or more Points GPA system and courses should be well developed, standard and carry higher units! In fact, the term "Polytechnic" should be hijacked from parlance and replaced with University of Technology or any other soothing appellation. We should always strive to follow the UK pattern in our technological pedagogical system.

Finally, on the issue of ostracization and stigmatization, I believe it is only Nigerian Legislative Bodies that can end this once and for all. As long as they are comfortable with it, nothing will change! Let's just stop flogging this issue and look forward to better things! This issue has been discussed, ignited and quenched severally since Nigerian employers' decisions to employ preferential treatments! It is time we either take drastic measures or simply let it go as we have always done.

#MyTake
Mr. Baminasri, I am sorry about your plight! Your best is yet to come. I'd advise you to get a PGD and possibly a Masters though.


CC:
Freemanan, Freeemanan, Goodboiy, Scholes0, LordAdam; What do you think?

Thunder faya everybody!!! Bsc ooo, Hnd oo, wey the Job?

baminasri:
Right now, I find it very hard to call myself a Nigerian. What is the point of pledging loyalty to a country that cares not for the HND graduates?

As an HND holder, I graduated with distinction (Top of my class)from the top polytechnic in Nigeria. With high hopes, I applied for the ongoing shell graduate recruitment. The recruitment process involves an online registration and series of online aptitude tests prior to oral interview. What broke my heart during the registration was when I saw the column fo where to indicate your class of degree. First option was first class. Second was second class upper. Third was second class lower and the fourth was third class/HND.
This means that irrespective of your grade in the polytechnic, shell sees you as a third class graduate.
Well, I have moved on. Better things ahead. My advice to HND holders is to embrace entrepreneurship. That way, we can gain respect in the society. And for the country called Nigeria that have refused to stop this BSc/HND dichtonomy, what out for HND holders who will shape the economy soon!!!

my dear friend,i really do feel your plight.However,my honest advice to you is to take to entrepreneurship.Like i'll always tell fellow youths aspiring for success,sometimes its better to employ than be the employed.You see i'm a HND holder myself but had the resolve during my National diploma days to embrace entrepreneurship for a number of reasons of which this was one and today,to God be the glory,i co-own a registered agribusiness based here in Nigeria that has graduates on its payroll.My point is since white collar jobs et al are not handy anymore you have other options like becoming a necessity entrepreneur...you don't have to land a N1m jackpot to enable you fund a viable business idea.With as small as 50k depending on your current financial muscle,i bet you're good to go and then you can leverage subsequently.I started very small my brother but the entity is relatively big now and still growing.so think about it as self pity wont help your situation but rather get you depressed.ALL THE BEST!

Traditionally, polytechnics focused on practical vocational training and universities focused on theoretical academic qualifications.

It's because of lack of jobs and the nigerian structure that makes us complain,if not if your a technician and you earn accordly(like in us and developed society) then you won't feel any discrimination in degree

LuckyLadolce:
Sincerely, you made some really good points! Bt i will like to draw your attention to one of your points which is "our Nigerian Polytechnics operate a 4 points GPA system as opposed to the 5 Points used in our Nigerian varsities". Brother, it is true. But I've you tried finding out about how polytechincs grade their scores i.e 70=A, 60-B? For instance, in my GF's school (university), 70=A while in my school (polytechnic), 75=A. Whats ur say about this?

This is a new system, I presume. It is almost like the new University grading system where 40-45 is not recognised as a pass grade. If it is not new then I acknowledge that I just found out now.
I know very well that Polytechnic education is not as easy as it seems because the lecturers make it difficult for reasons best known to them. However, some lapses in the overall system must be corrected accordingly.

Now I know why you were never accepted into any University and why Shell Classify you at best a Third Class Graduate.

You may be worthy in Learning but not in Character.
I Wish you well.

oismail:

It's your choice and right?
I cant blame ur little brain because that's what you deserve. Well it is ur choice. Accepted. Who told you it's not everybodies choice? Does that mean that those who weren't admitted didn't make the same choice too? And you are telling me here that itsnt a previllege.
I don't know the right you are referring to. Are you referring to the right to education or the right to be admitted into Uni?
If everyone wants to claim right, school go accommodate us?
You are ill-brain ask your neighbour cux your family might not tell you the basic truth!

Emasel:
Why would Shell do this?

There are some smart HND graduates, I've met a few.

your comment is totally out of place. In every Society, Sector or occupation you have intelligent/smart people and the not so smart people. By you saying "there is some "smart" HND graduates is an immature judgement...

justmi1:
Thunder faya everybody!!! Bsc ooo, Hnd oo, wey the Job?

You do not get the import of my speech mister. This is not an issue of jobs! We have to first resolve the divide before we talk of getting jobs.

fratermathy:
This is getting too old and stale.

While I do not support totally embarrassing HND graduates and denying them of promotions, appointments and a chance to make a successful career, it should be noted that HND and B.Sc/B.A/B.Agric/B.Tech/LL.B/B.Fisheries/MBBS/DVM are different and the dichotomy must be emphasised.
HND is a technical diploma. It is technically not even a Degree but a National Diploma. B.Sc and its other appellations are the recognised standard for academic, theoretical and career based jobs and appointments. That is not to say HND cannot be used. It is just that HND is better off for handy middle-levelled and technical jobs/careers. The whole essence of HND is to make sure that there are middle-levelled skilled people in the society that can be called upon and relied on for their technical expertise. University graduates are seen as having done a theoretical study with much intellectual rigour and are, thus, deemed to have a high intellectual acuity for certain professions and careers. This must be known and not relegated. No matter how much sentiments come in and no matter how much we try to equate these certifications, the sacrosanct fact is that they are not the same. As long as one is a "Diploma" and another is a "Degree", they can NEVER be treated equal and same.

On the issue of Shell equating HND with Third Class, I have iterated in the previous paragraph that HND is not seen as an intellectually inclined degree but rather as a technically inclined diploma. Having a Distinction in HND only proves that you have an excellent technical expertise, perhaps even beyond that of University Degree holders. However, this does not translate into the fact that you are intellectually buoyant enough to stand a University First Class product. It doesn't add up. For one, our Nigerian Polytechnics operate a 4 points GPA system as opposed to the 5 Points used in our Nigerian varsities. Secondly, the units of courses taken in HND programmes are far lower, both individually and cumulatively, when compared with a University. Thirdly, the course contents in Polytechnics are peripheral and elementary as opposed to that of a University! Fourthly, the calibre of academic staff and their standing is much lower than that of a University. For one, a Polytechnic cannot have a Professorial Cadre! Polytechnics usually have substandard facilities and make-shift labs and instruments. All these come together to haunt the graduates of Nigerian Polytechnics!

The solution to all these bifurcations is easy. Polytechnics should be made to award a B.Tech rather than an "Ordinary" or "Higher" diploma. Polytechnic facilities should be overhauled and made to standards. The Professorial Cadre, alongside its competitive and cumbersome "floating" process, should be introduced to the Polytechnics. Polytechnics should employ the 5 or more Points GPA system and courses should be well developed, standard and carry higher units! In fact, the term "Polytechnic" should be hijacked from parlance and replaced with University of Technology or any other soothing appellation. We should always strive to follow the UK pattern in our technological pedagogical system.

Finally, on the issue of ostracization and stigmatization, I believe it is only Nigerian Legislative Bodies that can end this once and for all. As long as they are comfortable with it, nothing will change! Let's just stop flogging this issue and look forward to better things! This issue has been discussed, ignited and quenched severally since Nigerian employers' decisions to employ preferential treatments! It is time we either take drastic measures or simply let it go as we have always done.

#MyTake
Mr. Baminasri, I am sorry about your plight! Your best is yet to come. I'd advise you to get a PGD and possibly a Masters though.


CC:
Freemanan, Freeemanan, Goodboiy, Scholes0, LordAdam; What do you think?

Spot on!
I need not quote all you've submitted above but I have to do it as a mark of buttressing the point that the Origin of everything about the differences is actually the MINIMUM CUT-OFF SCORE OF 150 REQUIRED FOR ADMISSION YEAR-IN-YEAR-OUT as usually being announced by the federal government which automatically defined the supremacy of a university education over others both in terms of 'INPUT and OUTPUT.' (INPUT and OUTPUT connotes many things from O-LEVEL through UTME to GRADUATION)

Guys let us stop wailing about HND/Bsc and put our destinies in our hands.The truth is we have to move pass this HND matter and there are so many organisations i believe that still take HND graduates,multinationals,at least i have five of my classmates working in MTN and they all have HNDs plus ICAn of course ,i finished from a polytechnic too ,if you ask me there's no pint in going there,after my HND i got a job as a full staff somewhere and in the process was studying for a Bsc,i moved to a bank as a contract staff and eventually became a full staff after four years ,not full staff with conditions o ,real full staff.Work your path yourself,leave other people and face your life,i am still looking for better jobs and all my colleagues who even has an HND are doing much better than me,stop complaining and move forward and imorove yourself

LuckyLadolce:
Sincerely, you made some really good points! Bt i will like to draw your attention to one of your points which is "our Nigerian Polytechnics operate a 4 points GPA system as opposed to the 5 Points used in our Nigerian varsities". Brother, it is true. But I've you tried finding out about how polytechincs grade their scores i.e 70=A, 60-B? For instance, in my GF's school (university), 70=A while in my school (polytechnic), 75=A. Whats ur say about this?

Even 74 and half is not A in Polytechnic and 64 and half is not B in Polytechnic.



Cc:fratermathy

fratermathy:


This is a new system, I presume. It is almost like the new University grading system where 40-45 is not recognised as a pass grade. If it is not new then I acknowledge that I just found out now.
I know very well that Polytechnic education is not as easy as it seems because the lecturers make it difficult for reasons best known to them. However, some lapses in the overall system must be corrected accordingly.

am talking about as far back as 2006-20011 when i was in the polytechnic. However, I must admit to your point that the polytechnic system needs total overhauling. Even our educational sector as whole needs absolute reform. What about the country itself

Who else wasted their time on the Shell application website?

Sorry but u should have gone for degree when you had the chances. Organisations have their policies which must be followed.

chyna4luv:


Even 74 and half is not A in Polytechnic and 64 and half is not B in Polytechnic.



Cc:fratermathy

ON POINT

Even Bill Gates didn't have a diploma.

fratermathy:
This is getting too old and stale.

While I do not support totally embarrassing HND graduates and denying them of promotions, appointments and a chance to make a successful career, it should be noted that HND and B.Sc/B.A/B.Agric/B.Tech/LL.B/B.Fisheries/MBBS/DVM are different and the dichotomy must be emphasised.
HND is a technical diploma. It is technically not even a Degree but a National Diploma. B.Sc and its other appellations are the recognised standard for academic, theoretical and career based jobs and appointments. That is not to say HND cannot be used. It is just that HND is better off for handy middle-levelled and technical jobs/careers. The whole essence of HND is to make sure that there are middle-levelled skilled people in the society that can be called upon and relied on for their technical expertise. University graduates are seen as having done a theoretical study with much intellectual rigour and are, thus, deemed to have a high intellectual acuity for certain professions and careers. This must be known and not relegated. No matter how much sentiments come in and no matter how much we try to equate these certifications, the sacrosanct fact is that they are not the same. As long as one is a "Diploma" and another is a "Degree", they can NEVER be treated equal and same.

On the issue of Shell equating HND with Third Class, I have iterated in the previous paragraph that HND is not seen as an intellectually inclined degree but rather as a technically inclined diploma. Having a Distinction in HND only proves that you have an excellent technical expertise, perhaps even beyond that of University Degree holders. However, this does not translate into the fact that you are intellectually buoyant enough to stand a University First Class product. It doesn't add up. For one, our Nigerian Polytechnics operate a 4 points GPA system as opposed to the 5 Points used in our Nigerian varsities. Secondly, the units of courses taken in HND programmes are far lower, both individually and cumulatively, when compared with a University. Thirdly, the course contents in Polytechnics are peripheral and elementary as opposed to that of a University! Fourthly, the calibre of academic staff and their standing is much lower than that of a University. For one, a Polytechnic cannot have a Professorial Cadre! Polytechnics usually have substandard facilities and make-shift labs and instruments. All these come together to haunt the graduates of Nigerian Polytechnics!

The solution to all these bifurcations is easy. Polytechnics should be made to award a B.Tech rather than an "Ordinary" or "Higher" diploma. Polytechnic facilities should be overhauled and made to standards. The Professorial Cadre, alongside its competitive and cumbersome "floating" process, should be introduced to the Polytechnics. Polytechnics should employ the 5 or more Points GPA system and courses should be well developed, standard and carry higher units! In fact, the term "Polytechnic" should be hijacked from parlance and replaced with University of Technology or any other soothing appellation. We should always strive to follow the UK pattern in our technological pedagogical system.

Finally, on the issue of ostracization and stigmatization, I believe it is only Nigerian Legislative Bodies that can end this once and for all. As long as they are comfortable with it, nothing will change! Let's just stop flogging this issue and look forward to better things! This issue has been discussed, ignited and quenched severally since Nigerian employers' decisions to employ preferential treatments! It is time we either take drastic measures or simply let it go as we have always done.

#MyTake
Mr. Baminasri, I am sorry about your plight! Your best is yet to come. I'd advise you to get a PGD and possibly a Masters though.


CC:
Freemanan, Freeemanan, Goodboiy, Scholes0, LordAdam; What do you think?

The Polytechnic ibadan operates with 5 points cgpa.

dipopooo:
The issue of Bsc & HND is settled. For gudness sake Bsc is d baba. E easy to go university? Ogbeni, stop complaining go obtain DE form.

Pls shut up and stop talking nonsense.... I am proud to be an HND graduate...U can't even stand where most of us do.

How dare they?!

we 3rd class graduates resent this insult.

HND is the equivalent of university Let-My-People-Go (Pass) and not 3rd class. 3rd class is not very much different from second class lower.

in every competition there's only 1st, 2nd and 3rd. There's no such thing as 2nd up and 2nd low.

Laburus:
Now I know why you were never accepted into any University and why Shell Classify you at best a Third Class Graduate.

You may be worthy in Learning but not in Character.
I Wish you well.

Worthy in learning but not in character?
All Bsc graduates are worthy in both? SMH
If Nigeria impression about HND remain the same, the nation will never go forward. If all Uni can copy the learning method of the poly, Nigeria will be better of.
Discrimination is one of problems this country has. Religion, ethnic, region etc.
Come to think of it, why is it that both serve in the same scheme (NYSC) just think deep you will realize u are at wrong side of this argument.
We undergo the same course of studies with similar syllabus. I hate sentiment. The demand for Uni is much and you know how most people got admission. Remember?

Ahmedhussain3463:
see ur small mind|u dnt even sound like a university graduate|ur contribution to dis topic i very miopic,shallow,narrow and foolish.may b na thirdclass upper dey brag here wit university certificate|plan b product

Myopic nt miopic ok? That's what we are saying

clemz88:
you must be an idiot

For saying d truth? Ur papa is an !diot. Omoale jatijati

LuckyLadolce:
I gave an example using my school and you still have problem with that? Now, tell me my gain if i have to come here and lie about stuffs like dis. Anyway, it's your sh.it if you dont believe it. I have no problem with that.

You are too fast in concluding. I guess you don't understand my right up. sorry oga. I am a Polytechnic graduate too working as a contract staff with a bank....


@ fratermathy, hope you know that grade rating in Polytechnic is higher than University. E.g 74 and half is not A in Polytechnic while in university it's A. Even 64 and half is not B in Polytechnic while in university it's B.

what would you say to this Sir? I love your write up it's educating.

kindly comment, thanks.

[quote author=cheeketo post=39873350]that issue spoiled my whole day, i started the application today, and the process has been going on well until i get a regret message after i filled in my class, which is not available, so i picked the HND option. its so painful, cos i wasted my whole morning, wouldn't have bothered if i was told HND shouldn't apply.
Pls the shell link. Thank u so much.