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Jesus And All Of The Prophets Before Him Pray The Same As Muslims Pray Today by aob2882: 12:31am On Nov 11, 2015
My purpose of presentation is not to hot any christian feelings.
If I hot your feelings I do apologize in advance.
Jesus and all of the Prophets before him Worshiped the same as Muslims Worship today
When a Muslim prays or thanks God he does so in the same fashion and from that was taught to Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and all of the previous Prophets of God (May peace be upon them all). You will find that when a Muslim prays he places his forehead on the ground in total submission to God Almighty. Let us see how the Prophets (including Jesus) prayed according to the Qur'an and Bible:

"These are some of the Prophets whom GOD blessed. They were chosen from among the descendants of Adam, and the descendants of those whom we carried with Noah, and the descendants of Abraham and Israel, and from among those whom we guided and selected. When the revelations of the Most Gracious are recited to them, they fall prostrate, weeping." – Qur’an English Translation [19:58]

"And he (Jesus) went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt." - New Testament (Matthew 26:39)

"And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid." - New Testament (Matthew 17:6)

"And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying," - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Genesis 17:3)

"Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?" - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Genesis 17:17)

"And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshiped." - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Exodus 34:cool

“And Moses and Aaron went from the presence of the assembly unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and they fell upon their faces: and the glory of the LORD appeared unto them.” - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Numbers 20:6)

"And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying, Separate yourselves from among this congregation, that I may consume them in a moment. And they fell upon their faces, and said, O God, the God of the spirits of all flesh, shall one man sin, and wilt thou be wroth with all the congregation?" - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Numbers 16:20-22)

And Ezra blessed the LORD, the great God. And all the people answered, Amen, Amen, with lifting up their hands: and they bowed their heads, and worshipped[/color] the LORD with [their] faces to the ground. - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Nehemiah 8:6)

"And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did [color=#990000]worship
, and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant?" - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Joshua 5:14)

"And it came to pass, while they were slaying them, and I was left, that I fell upon my face, and cried, and said, Ah Lord GOD! wilt thou destroy all the residue of Israel in thy pouring out of thy fury upon Jerusalem?" - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Ezekiel 9:cool

"And Jehoshaphat bowed his head with his face to the ground: and all Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem fell before the LORD, [b]worshipping [/b]the LORD." - Old Testament (Tanakh) (2 Chronicles 20:18)

Re: Jesus And All Of The Prophets Before Him Pray The Same As Muslims Pray Today by aob2882: 12:44am On Nov 11, 2015
Muslims follow the Religion OF Jesus; the faith that he spoke of and practiced. Likewise, We worship The same God that he worshipped; The God of Abraham and The God of all of the Prophets whom lived on Earth.

Whereas today some people who claim to follow the way of Jesus, Abraham, and Moses (peace be upon them) have deviated from the path. And in the case of Christianity, people have mistakenly created an entire faith about the Prophet Jesus and thus have made him into something that he never claimed to be.

"Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but an upright Muslim (one who submitted their will to God)." – Qur’an English Translation [3:67]

Re: Jesus And All Of The Prophets Before Him Pray The Same As Muslims Pray Today by kestolove95(m): 1:36am On Nov 11, 2015
Jesus never beat band and dance in holy place, mary never xpos her hair even d one the catholics mould wear hijabs...so I ask, what's wrong with the christians? Why have dey allow d white to modernise dia religion?...I dare any christian to show me one mary's picture without hijab or vail
Re: Jesus And All Of The Prophets Before Him Pray The Same As Muslims Pray Today by Medicis(m): 1:50am On Nov 11, 2015
Jesus christ never prayed the muslim way... Stop deceiving yourself.

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Re: Jesus And All Of The Prophets Before Him Pray The Same As Muslims Pray Today by Annunaki(m): 6:14am On Nov 11, 2015
So Jesus used to pray five times a day bowing towards a shrine in mecca whilst chanting arabic incantations Nonsense al taquiya writing muslims.

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Re: Jesus And All Of The Prophets Before Him Pray The Same As Muslims Pray Today by malvisguy212: 8:55am On Nov 11, 2015
kestolove95:
Jesus never beat band and dance in holy place, mary never xpos her hair even d one the catholics mould wear hijabs...so I ask, what's wrong with the christians? Why have dey allow d white to modernise dia religion?...I dare any christian to show me one mary's picture without hijab or vail
do you know how to worship God in spirit and truth? The muslims lady may were hijab to cover her face and the whole of her body but I tell you the truth, they are soo corrupt and spoiled, I live in their midst , so I know them soo much. If you see a muslims man wrote in front of his compound gate "BA shiga sa dai izine" it is house of prostitution.

There is a type of marriage in Islam that
is known as “Nikah Mut’a (Mut’ah)” or
Temporary Marriage. Fixed-Term Marriage, Temporary Marriage or
Pleasure Marriage are different names
for the Arabic term, Nikah Mut’a. This
form of marriage is based on a contract
between a man and woman with a fixed
date of expiry. The man and woman will
become strangers to each other after the expiration date.Its format is that the
woman says the following to the man
after they both agree to the terms of the
dower and the period of time: “I married you to myself on such-and-such a dower and for the known period of
time” – where this period is stated exactly. The man’s answer will be: “I
accept.” The dower can be in the form of money or something else. According to the terms of the contract, the woman
becomes the wife of the man, and the
man becomes her husband till the end of the period specified in the contract.
Mut’a can be contracted for a night or a
few days, months or years or even for a
few hours. As soon as the period is over,
the marriage is automatically terminated.Then, the Muslim man could leave her without any further commitments. No divorce is necessary to terminate the marriage.

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Re: Jesus And All Of The Prophets Before Him Pray The Same As Muslims Pray Today by malvisguy212: 9:05am On Nov 11, 2015
aob2882:
Muslims follow the Religion OF Jesus; the faith that he spoke of and practiced. Likewise, We worship The same God that he worshipped; The God of Abraham and The God of all of the Prophets whom lived on Earth.

Whereas today some people who claim to follow the way of Jesus, Abraham, and Moses (peace be upon them) have deviated from the path. And in the case of Christianity, people have mistakenly created an entire faith about the Prophet Jesus and thus have made him into something that he never claimed to be.

"Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but an upright Muslim (one who submitted their will to God)." – Qur’an English Translation [3:67]
the pagan worship with their head bow , are they muslims also? If Abraham is not a Jew, why was he given a Jewish name ?

Allah sanctioned pagan practice.

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60,
Number 23:
Narrated By ‘Asim bin Sulaiman: I
asked Anas bin Malik about Safa and
Marwa (i.e. two mountains at Mecca).
Anas replied, “We used to consider
(i.e. going around) them a custom
of the Pre-Islamic period of
Ignorance, so when Islam came, we
gave up going around them. Then
Allah revealed, ‘Verily, Safa and
Marwa (i.e. two mountains at
Mecca) ARE AMONG THE SYMBOL OF ALLAH . So it is not harmful of those
who perform the Hajj of the House
(of Allah) or perform the Umra to
ambulate (Tawaf) between
them.’” ( Surah 2:158) [End of Quote]

Surah 2:158: “Lo! (the mountains) As-
Safa and Al-Marwah are among the
indications of Allah. It is therefore no
sin for him who is on pilgrimage to
the House (of Allah) or visiteth it, to
go around them ( as the pagan
custom is).” (Pickthall)

How can the very same two mountains
that were sacred to the pagans become
the “Symbols of Allah” all of a sudden?
Moreover, how is it that the very same
pagan ritual of running between the two
hills is also retained in Islam? In
addition, why was the Arab pagan ritual
of going around the Ka’ba seven times,
also retained in Islam?

In the Hindu marriage rite of Saptapadi,
the married couple circumnavigate the
fire seven times. In the Islamic ritual of
Tawaf, Muslims also circumnavigate the
Ka’ba seven times. In both of these
rituals, religious phrases are repeated
during the circumambulation. Some of
the rituals that Muslims follow during the Hajj are the same as the rites observed by Hindus in their worship of Shiva. Take note of some of the striking similarities:

(1) Both Hindu and Muslim male
devotees are required to shave their
heads during their pilgrimage.
(2) And similar to their Hindu
counterparts, male Muslim pilgrims are
also required to dress in a garment
consisting of two sheets of white cloth.
This type of garment is known as Dhoti in Hinduism.
(3) Just as the worshippers of Shiva
observe a rite in which they walk around their object of reverence seven times, Muslim pilgrims also walk around the Ka’ba seven times.
(4) Both their objects of reverence are
Black Stones. In Hinduism, the Black
Stone is known as Shiva lingam.
(5) While Hindus drink water from the
Ganga River as part of the sacred rites in their worship of Shiva, Muslims drink
from the Well of Zamzam during the
Hajj.
(6) Additionally, the Crescent moon,
which is associated with the Hindu deity
Shiva, is also a symbol for Islam. In the
Hindu portrayal of the Shiva symbol, the crescent moon is always painted across his forehead. Moreover, in every
portrayal of Shiva, there is always a
depiction of a snake curled around his
neck. Weirdly, in pre-Islamic times, Allah is supposed to have sent a snake to guard the treasures of the Ka’ba.

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Re: Jesus And All Of The Prophets Before Him Pray The Same As Muslims Pray Today by aob2882: 9:10am On Nov 11, 2015
Medicis:
Jesus christ never prayed the muslim way... Stop deceiving yourself.
Please give me a single quotation from your Book (Bible) on how Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) worship his creator.
Re: Jesus And All Of The Prophets Before Him Pray The Same As Muslims Pray Today by malvisguy212: 9:12am On Nov 11, 2015
^^^ The Qur’an states Muhammad was the first Muslim. ( Surah 6:163). However,it also that Abraham who lived centuries before Muhammad was a Muslim. ( Surah 3:67). And The Qur’an states that the disciples of Jesus who lived before Muhammad were also Muslims. ( Surah 5:111). In fact, the Qur’an claims that all prophets, from the time of Abraham to Muhammad were Muslims. (Surah 22:78)

QUESTION :
Since the Qur’an states that Muhammad was the first Muslim, while at the same time declaring that there were Muslims before the time of Muhammad, is this not a clear proof of the existence of a contradiction in the Qur’an?
How are you going to reconcile the
Qur’an’s claim that Muhammad was the
first Muslim with the Qur’an’s statement that Abraham who lived before him was also a Muslim?
How are you going to reconcile the
Qur’an’s claim that Muhammad was the
first Muslim with the Qur’an’s statement that the disciples of Jesus who lived before him were Muslims?
Do you not agree that if Abraham was
truly a Muslim as the Qur’an claims,
then Muhammad cannot be the first
Muslim?
Do you not agree that if the disciples of
Jesus were truly Muslims as the Qur’an
claims, then Muhammad cannot be the
first Muslim?
Re: Jesus And All Of The Prophets Before Him Pray The Same As Muslims Pray Today by aob2882: 9:16am On Nov 11, 2015
“I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. “You shall have no other gods before me. “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.Exodus 20:2-6
The above verse is telling you that your bowing for worship should be for One God alone.
Re: Jesus And All Of The Prophets Before Him Pray The Same As Muslims Pray Today by aob2882: 9:19am On Nov 11, 2015
Please prove me wrong with References
Re: Jesus And All Of The Prophets Before Him Pray The Same As Muslims Pray Today by malvisguy212: 9:27am On Nov 11, 2015
aob2882:
“I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. “You shall have no other gods before me. “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.Exodus 20:2-6
The above verse is telling you that your bowing for worship should be for One God alone.
what your point? Apart from God, who else do christians worship?
Re: Jesus And All Of The Prophets Before Him Pray The Same As Muslims Pray Today by kestolove95(m): 9:34am On Nov 11, 2015
malvisguy212:
do you know how to worship God in spirit and truth? The muslims lady may were hijab to cover her face and the whole of her body but I tell you the truth, they are soo corrupt and spoiled, I live in their midst , so I know them soo much. If you see a muslims man wrote in front of his compound gate "BA shiga sa dai izine" it is house of prostitution.

There is a type of marriage in Islam that
is known as “Nikah Mut’a (Mut’ah)” or
Temporary Marriage. Fixed-Term Marriage, Temporary Marriage or
Pleasure Marriage are different names
for the Arabic term, Nikah Mut’a. This
form of marriage is based on a contract
between a man and woman with a fixed
date of expiry. The man and woman will
become strangers to each other after the expiration date.Its format is that the
woman says the following to the man
after they both agree to the terms of the
dower and the period of time: “I married you to myself on such-and-such a dower and for the known period of
time” – where this period is stated exactly. The man’s answer will be: “I
accept.” The dower can be in the form of money or something else. According to the terms of the contract, the woman
becomes the wife of the man, and the
man becomes her husband till the end of the period specified in the contract.
Mut’a can be contracted for a night or a
few days, months or years or even for a
few hours. As soon as the period is over,
the marriage is automatically terminated.Then, the Muslim man could leave her without any further commitments. No divorce is necessary to terminate the marriage.
we not talkin abt marriage nd its not only hausa dat practice islam, but u just sai it, u can never separate dem from d vail or hijab..and b4 dey touch d glorious qur'an dey must purify dem sef nd always on hijab during prayers, wait is dia anytin like purity in christianity?after sex sum of u don't even baff talk more of a spiritual baf, wen a guy had wet dream he hardli baff if he dox, its d normal soap n wata baff, both boys and girls will just stand anywia ease demsefs split urine on dia wears same cloth dey will take into d church, going into d toilet while dey ar holdin d bible...see christianity is a joke...somebody was telling dat I should dobale for Allah and I told him dat even jesus and all d prophets dat came b4 and aftr him also dobale and its dia in d bible...quote me if am wrong let's see who can never b d muslim btwn d christian and d muslim and who is more christian between d muslim and d christian

"And he (Jesus) went a little farther, and fell on his
face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be
possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not
as I will, but as thou wilt." - New Testament
(Matthew 26:39)

"And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their
face, and were sore afraid." - New Testament
(Matthew 17:6)
"And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with
him, saying," - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Genesis
17:3)

"Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and
said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that
is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is
ninety years old, bear?" - Old Testament (Tanakh)
(Genesis 17:17)

"And Moses made haste, and bowed his head
toward the earth, and worshiped." - Old Testament
(Tanakh) (Exodus 34:
“And Moses and Aaron went from the presence of
the assembly unto the door of the tabernacle of the
congregation, and they fell upon their faces: and the
glory of the LORD appeared unto them.” - Old
Testament (Tanakh) (Numbers 20:6)

"And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron,
saying, Separate yourselves from among this
congregation, that I may consume them in a
moment. And they fell upon their faces, and said, O
God, the God of the spirits of all flesh, shall one man
sin, and wilt thou be wroth with all the
congregation?" - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Numbers
16:20-22)

But u might not knw dix cox all what our generation pastors preach 2day ar riches and prosperity with miracles and words of God but I don't blame dem cox dats what christians wants to hear
Re: Jesus And All Of The Prophets Before Him Pray The Same As Muslims Pray Today by malvisguy212: 9:46am On Nov 11, 2015
kestolove95:
we not talkin abt marriage nd its not only hausa dat practice islam, but u just sai it, u can never separate dem from d vail or hijab..and b4 dey touch d glorious qur'an dey must purify dem sef nd always on hijab during prayers, wait is dia anytin like purity in christianity?after sex sum of u don't even baff talk more of a spiritual baf, wen a guy had wet dream he hardli baff if he dox, its d normal soap n wata baff, both boys and girls will just stand anywia ease demsefs split urine on dia wears same cloth dey will take into d church, going into d toilet while dey ar holdin d bible...see christianity is a joke...somebody was telling dat I should dobale for Allah and I told him dat even jesus and all d prophets dat came b4 and aftr him also dobale and its dia in d bible...quote me if am wrong let's see who can never b d muslim btwn d christian and d muslim and who is more christian between d muslim and d christian

"And he (Jesus) went a little farther, and fell on his
face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be
possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not
as I will, but as thou wilt." - New Testament
(Matthew 26:39)

"And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their
face, and were sore afraid." - New Testament
(Matthew 17:6)
"And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with
him, saying," - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Genesis
17:3)

"Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and
said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that
is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is
ninety years old, bear?" - Old Testament (Tanakh)
(Genesis 17:17)

"And Moses made haste, and bowed his head
toward the earth, and worshiped." - Old Testament
(Tanakh) (Exodus 34:
“And Moses and Aaron went from the presence of
the assembly unto the door of the tabernacle of the
congregation, and they fell upon their faces: and the
glory of the LORD appeared unto them.” - Old
Testament (Tanakh) (Numbers 20:6)

"And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron,
saying, Separate yourselves from among this
congregation, that I may consume them in a
moment. And they fell upon their faces, and said, O
God, the God of the spirits of all flesh, shall one man
sin, and wilt thou be wroth with all the
congregation?" - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Numbers
16:20-22)

But u might not knw dix cox all what our generation pastors preach 2day ar riches and prosperity with miracles and words of God but I don't blame dem cox dats what christians wants to hear
Jesus fell on His knell and pray , did he wash his feet and noise also ?when Jesus bow his head, did he face the kabba? Pagans who bow their head in prayer, are the muslims? Now listen!!! God is a transcended being, He exist outside time, any were you face and pray, God is their, you don't need to face the kabba and bow your head to pray.infact the kabba were housing 360 idols when muhammed command muslims to pray in the direction .
Re: Jesus And All Of The Prophets Before Him Pray The Same As Muslims Pray Today by kestolove95(m): 9:49am On Nov 11, 2015
malvisguy212:
^^^ The Qur’an states Muhammad was the first Muslim. ( Surah 6:163). However,it also that Abraham who lived centuries before Muhammad was a Muslim. ( Surah 3:67). And The Qur’an states that the disciples of Jesus who lived before Muhammad were also Muslims. ( Surah 5:111). In fact, the Qur’an claims that all prophets, from the time of Abraham to Muhammad were Muslims. (Surah 22:78)

QUESTION :
Since the Qur’an states that Muhammad was the first Muslim, while at the same time declaring that there were Muslims before the time of Muhammad, is this not a clear proof of the existence of a contradiction in the Qur’an?
How are you going to reconcile the
Qur’an’s claim that Muhammad was the
first Muslim with the Qur’an’s statement that Abraham who lived before him was also a Muslim?
How are you going to reconcile the
Qur’an’s claim that Muhammad was the
first Muslim with the Qur’an’s statement that the disciples of Jesus who lived before him were Muslims?
Do you not agree that if Abraham was
truly a Muslim as the Qur’an claims,
then Muhammad cannot be the first
Muslim?
Do you not agree that if the disciples of
Jesus were truly Muslims as the Qur’an
claims, then Muhammad cannot be the
first Muslim?
hw I wish u can use dix time to study d white man book call d bible well, by now I beliv u will b practisin christianity base on ur own beliv, to counter what u just post here, read dix
Secular critics such as the sceptics use this claim as
well as Christians though I would imagine it was
borne out of the Christian camp; it is used in
evangelical Christian work such as GJO Moshay’s
evangelism [1].
The critics point to two references from the Quran,
6:14 and 6:161-163, and claim these references show
Muhammad as the first Muslim and then the critics
turns their attention to another verse of the Quran
(7;143) concerning Moses being the first of the
believers. Just to further their agenda they may also
highlight other Quranic references indicating there
were Muslims before Muhammed (pbuh) and Moses
namely the first man Adam (S. 2:30, 34-35, 37) and
Abraham as well as other Prophets (S. 4:163, S. 6:84)
as believers. However they mainly use the Quranic
verse about Moses (7:143) and try to put it along side
the two concerning Muhammed (6:14 and 6:163) and
they then allege contradiction/error
The Refutation
Quite simply, the Quran does not claim Muhammed
nor Moses to be the first ever Muslim. The critic
imposes a faulty understanding on the Quranic
verses and alleges a contradiction when there is no
contradiction/error.
Despite this it is still thorough and beneficial to offer
explanations in order to clear any confusion as well
as help highlight the errors of the critics in the hope
they realise their mistakes and abjure themselves
and eventually become amongst the guided ones,
Insha’Allah
I feel it is logical to begin this simple refutation with
analysing the reference concerning Moses and then
we shall build upon this in a methodical fashion so
the reader can follow with ease. Did the Quran claim
Moses to be the first ever believer?
7:143 sees Moses saying he is the first of the
believers. However, we do see that this is true as he
(Moses) was the first believer amongst his own
people.
7:143. And when Mûsa (Moses) came at the time and
place appointed by Us, and his Lord spoke to him, he
said: “O my Lord! Show me (Yourself), that I may look
upon You.” Allâh said: “You cannot see Me, but look
upon the mountain if it stands still in its place then
you shall see Me.” So when his Lord appeared to the
mountain[], He made it collapse to dust, and Mûsa
(Moses) fell down unconscious. Then when he
recovered his senses he said: “Glory be to You, I turn
to You in repentance and I am the first of the
believers.” [2]
Moses does not say he is the first believer ‘ever’. He
merely claims he is the first of the believers and
knowing the context one understands he is not
claiming to be the first ever believer from humankind
but the first amongst his people to believe, this is
apparent as it is a relative term to the “believers” and
situational-context tells us that the believers at the
time of Moses were essentially the Children of Israel
and thus we realise that Moses is referring to himself
as the first to believe amongst the Children of Israel.
The critic fails to mention this and tries to present
this verse as meaning Moses is the first ever to
believe amongst humanity, this is unfair and
misleading on the part of the critic especially
considering the word “ever” is not in the verse. There
is further clarification of the Arabic phrase of the
Quran ascribed to Moses (“awwalu almumineena”=
“first of the believers”) as there is another reference
in the Quran (26:51) where this term comes up and
thus explaining the meaning of Moses’ statement of
being the “first of the believers (“awwalu
almumineena”).
So we use a basic principle of Tafsir (explaining the
Quran) by explaining a verse of the Quran (the verse
concerning Moses, 7143) by using another part of the
Quran (26:51). So what do we learn about the
statement of Moses in 7:143 by looking at 26:51?
26:51. “Verily! We really hope that our Lord will
forgive us our sins, as we are the first of the believers
[in Mûsa (Moses) and in the Monotheism which he
has brought from Allâh].” [3]
The context of this verse is Moses going to Pharaoh
and preaching the Message and with the intention of
freeing the enslaved Children of Israel.
The verse (26:51) is teaching us what the sorcerers of
the pharaoh said when they realised that Moses and
Aaron were truthful in their preaching. Thus they
became the first to believe amongst the people of
Pharaoh and even use the same expression as Moses
“awwala almumineena”. It is clear that they are not
claiming to be the first ever to believe as Aaron and
Moses (two people who were believers before them)
were in front of them delivering the Message to
Pharaoh and his people and they became believers
due to the preaching (miracles) of Moses by the Will
of Allah. Therefore we realise the term “awwala
almumineena” (first of the believers) in the Quran
(7:143) does not mean he is the first ever believer but
it is a relative term. Thus we realise that both the
sayings of Moses (7:143) and the sorcerers (26:51)
are relative to their situations and they are clearly not
referring to themselves as the first ever believers but
it does mean they are the first believers amongst
their own people. We also realise the critics build
there argument upon faulty information as well as
error. So now we know that Moses was not referring
to himself as the first ever believer through the
information presented.
However, for thoroughness we can use the same
method of Tafsir (i.e. ‘explanation of the Quran by the
Quran’ [6]) to realise that Moses was speaking
relative to his own time and people. We need look no
further than the Quranic references to Adam
(2:30-37) and we deduct that Adam came before
Moses and was a believer therefore believed before
Moses so we realise that the Quran is not presenting
Moses as the first ever believer but as the first
believer relative to the time and place Moses was in
(i.e. the first to believe amongst his people). This is
basic Tafsir and logic which the critic avoids.
The critics have no authority (Tafsir writers such as
Ibn Kathir etc) to support their claims which are
merely erroneous self-imposed understandings
based on ignorance of context and Tafsir. Now we
realise that the Quran did not put forward Moses (or
the sorcerers) as the first ever Muslim (s) we still
have the question; did the Quran claim Muhammed
as the first ever Muslim? Well let us focus on the
references in question.
It is not up for debate whether Muhammad (pbuh)
was the first Muslim or not. Quite simply he was the
first Muslim in the sense that Muhammad was the
first Muslim (i.e. who has submitted to God) amongst
his own people (the Quraish) at that particular phase
in history. This is completely correct. Hence there is
no contradiction as Adam was the first Muslim ever
while Muhammad was the first Muslim amongst his
own people.
There are two Quranic references (6:14 and
6:162-163) the critics bring up, so it is appropriate to
analyse the two references. The first of the Quranic
references the critics cite (6:14) shows that Allah
instructs Muhammed to “say” (Qul): “Verily, I am
commanded to be the first of those who submit
themselves to Allâh (as Muslims).”:
6:14. Say (O Muhammad SAW): “Shall I take as a Walî
(helper, protector, etc.) any other than Allâh, the
Creator of the heavens and the earth? And it is He
Who feeds but is not fed.” Say: “Verily, I am
commanded to be the first of those who submit
themselves to Allâh (as Muslims).” And be not you (O
Muhammad SAW) of the Mushrikûn [polytheists,
pagans, idolaters and disbelievers in the Oneness of
Allâh]. [4]
We also note the same applies to the second Quranic
reference (6:162-163) in that it also begins with Qul
(say) and Mohammed is instructed to say: “… I am
the first of the Muslims”:
6: 162. Say (O Muhammad SAW): “Verily, my Salât
(prayer), my sacrifice, my living, and my dying are for
Allâh, the Lord of the ‘Alamîn (mankind, jinns and all
that exists). 163. “He has no partner. And of this I
have been commanded, and I am the first of the
Muslims.” [5]
So we see that Muhammed is being instructed to say
these words and we can refer to Von Denffer
concerning Quranic verses, such as the two cited by
the critics (6:14 and 6:162-163), which begin with Qul
(say): “More than 200 passages in the Quran open
with the word ‘Qul’ (saysmiley, which is an instruction to
the Prophet Muhammad to address the words
following this introduction to his audience in a
particular situation…” [7]
So the natural question is who is Muhammed’s
audience for him to say these words to? The
audience were
Re: Jesus And All Of The Prophets Before Him Pray The Same As Muslims Pray Today by adullam210: 9:49am On Nov 11, 2015
kestolove95:
we not talkin abt marriage nd its not only hausa dat practice islam, but u just sai it, u can never separate dem from d vail or hijab..and b4 dey touch d glorious qur'an dey must purify dem sef nd always on hijab during prayers, wait is dia anytin like purity in christianity?after sex sum of u don't even baff talk more of a spiritual baf, wen a guy had wet dream he hardli baff if he dox, its d normal soap n wata baff, both boys and girls will just stand anywia ease demsefs split urine on dia wears same cloth dey will take into d church, going into d toilet while dey ar holdin d bible...see christianity is a joke...somebody was telling dat I should dobale for Allah and I told him dat even jesus and all d prophets dat came b4 and aftr him also dobale and its dia in d bible...quote me if am wrong let's see who can never b d muslim btwn d christian and d muslim and who is more christian between d muslim and d christian

"And he (Jesus) went a little farther, and fell on his
face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be
possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not
as I will, but as thou wilt." - New Testament
(Matthew 26:39)

"And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their
face, and were sore afraid." - New Testament
(Matthew 17:6)
"And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with
him, saying," - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Genesis
17:3)

"Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and
said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that
is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is
ninety years old, bear?" - Old Testament (Tanakh)
(Genesis 17:17)

"And Moses made haste, and bowed his head
toward the earth, and worshiped." - Old Testament
(Tanakh) (Exodus 34:
“And Moses and Aaron went from the presence of
the assembly unto the door of the tabernacle of the
congregation, and they fell upon their faces: and the
glory of the LORD appeared unto them.” - Old
Testament (Tanakh) (Numbers 20:6)

"And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron,
saying, Separate yourselves from among this
congregation, that I may consume them in a
moment. And they fell upon their faces, and said, O
God, the God of the spirits of all flesh, shall one man
sin, and wilt thou be wroth with all the
congregation?" - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Numbers
16:20-22)

But u might not knw dix cox all what our generation pastors preach 2day ar riches and prosperity with miracles and words of God but I don't blame dem cox dats what christians wants to hear
deluded fellow, did Christ bow towards mecca? Anyone that bows down is a Muslim??
Re: Jesus And All Of The Prophets Before Him Pray The Same As Muslims Pray Today by kestolove95(m): 10:06am On Nov 11, 2015
malvisguy212:
Jesus fell on His knell and pray , did he wash his feet and noise also ?when Jesus bow his head, did he face the kabba? Pagans who bow their head in prayer, are the muslims? Now listen!!! God is a transcended being, He exist outside time, any were you face and pray, God is their, you don't need to face the kabba and bow your head to pray.infact the kabba were housing 360 idols when muhammed command muslims to pray in the direction .
I was finking I'v gat some one dat we will challenge each oda base on quotes from qur'an and bible but just realise dat u just like everi christian, I wonder what u people even go and study in ur bible classes, go read d bible and d qur'an very well, nd cum bk let's challenge each oda base on quotes not what u posting here
Re: Jesus And All Of The Prophets Before Him Pray The Same As Muslims Pray Today by malvisguy212: 12:51pm On Nov 11, 2015
kestolove95:
I was finking I'v gat some one dat we will challenge each oda base on quotes from qur'an and bible but just realise dat u just like everi christian, I wonder what u people even go and study in ur bible classes, go read d bible and d qur'an very well, nd cum bk let's challenge each oda base on quotes not what u posting here
alright.
Re: Jesus And All Of The Prophets Before Him Pray The Same As Muslims Pray Today by malvisguy212: 1:43pm On Nov 11, 2015
kestolove95
If you know who you are discussing with you will not ask me to go back and read the bible. If you have sincerely read the quran with open mind, their are a lot of questions you need to ask your self concerning how muhammed leave his life, will you give your beautiful daughter to an old man to marry? Will you dump your husband and marry his father (adopted)? Muhammed set rules which himself did not obey.

Concerning the first muslims, let us review the verse .

Surah 6. Al-An'am, Ayah 163 Al-Qur'an


Pickthall
He hath no partner. This am I
commanded, and I am first of those who surrender (unto Him).

Muhammed was not saying he is the first muslims among his people, BUT he was saying " I am the first of those who SURROUNDER (UNTO HIM)" dint the quran indicate Abraham surrounded to Allah ? If Abraham surrender to allah , then muhammed is not the first to surrender to him.
This is the verse for Abraham
SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
Abraham was neither a Jew nor a
Christian, but he was one inclining
toward truth, a Muslim [submitting to
Allah ]. And he was not of the polytheists.

The name Abraham was a Jews, how can none Jews bear the name of a Jew?in Surah 3:63 Abraham was not saying he is the first muslims among his people, he was not even the one talking in surah 3:63. Besides the genealogy of adam and Abraham indicate they were from the same tribe, it is illogical for Abraham to say he is the first to surrender when adam is the first.
Re: Jesus And All Of The Prophets Before Him Pray The Same As Muslims Pray Today by Anas09: 2:39pm On Nov 11, 2015
Bro Malvis.
Theses guys are new in the block. Just ignore them
Just imagine he cames specifically to argue. He is so sure of himself, yet he has not seen any of the koranic quotes posted to him, he is still asking for more.
I wonder what they tell these people in their Mosques.
Re: Jesus And All Of The Prophets Before Him Pray The Same As Muslims Pray Today by aob2882: 12:15am On Nov 14, 2015
malvisguy212:
^^^ The Qur’an states Muhammad was the first Muslim. ( Surah 6:163). However,it also that Abraham who lived centuries before Muhammad was a Muslim. ( Surah 3:67). And The Qur’an states that the disciples of Jesus who lived before Muhammad were also Muslims. ( Surah 5:111). In fact, the Qur’an claims that all prophets, from the time of Abraham to Muhammad were Muslims. (Surah 22:78)

QUESTION :
Since the Qur’an states that Muhammad was the first Muslim, while at the same time declaring that there were Muslims before the time of Muhammad, is this not a clear proof of the existence of a contradiction in the Qur’an?
How are you going to reconcile the
Qur’an’s claim that Muhammad was the
first Muslim with the Qur’an’s statement that Abraham who lived before him was also a Muslim?
How are you going to reconcile the
Qur’an’s claim that Muhammad was the
first Muslim with the Qur’an’s statement that the disciples of Jesus who lived before him were Muslims?
Do you not agree that if Abraham was
truly a Muslim as the Qur’an claims,
then Muhammad cannot be the first
Muslim?
Do you not agree that if the disciples of
Jesus were truly Muslims as the Qur’an
claims, then Muhammad cannot be the
first Muslim?
Please stop misconception and seek for the real meaning.please check the bellow for the real meaning of that verse:
Surah Al-‘An’am, Verses 162 - 163

قُلْ إِنَّ صَلاَتِي وَنُسُكِي وَمَحْيَايَ وَمَمَاتِي لِلّهِ رَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ
لاَ شَرِيكَ لَهُ وَبِذَلِكَ أُمِرْتُ وَأَنَاْ أَوَّلُ الْمُسْلِمِينَ
162. "Say: ' Verily my prayer and my worship, my life and my death are for Allah, the Lord of the Worlds."

163. "No associate (there is) for Him, and this (submission) I have been commanded to, and I am the first of the Muslims."

In the first verse, mentioned here, it points to the matter that the Prophet (S) should tell the pagans that not only from the point of belief he is a Unitarian and a monotheist, hut also, from the point of action, whatever good deed he does, including his prayer, all his worships, and even his death and life, in all, are for the sake of the Lord of the Worlds. The verse says:

"Say: ' Verily my prayer and my worship, my life and death are for Allah, the Lord of the Worlds."
That is, I am alive for Him, and I die for His sake. I devote whatever I have in His way. All my desires, the whole love of mine, and the entire existence that I have is Allah’s .

In order to nullify all kinds of paganism and idolatry, in this verse, it emphasizes that Allah (S.w.T.) is the One that there is no associate and no compeer for Him. It says:

"No associate (there is) for Him....."
And, finally, the verse continues saying:

"... and this (submission) I have been commanded to, and I am the first of the Muslims."
To be the first of the Muslims for the Prophet of Islam (S) is either from the point of quality and importance of Islam, because the degree of his submission and his Islam was higher than all prophets, or that he was the[b] first person of this community who accepted the religion of[/b] the Qur'an and[b] Islam[/b].
Re: Jesus And All Of The Prophets Before Him Pray The Same As Muslims Pray Today by plappville(f): 1:11am On Nov 14, 2015
malvisguy212:
^^^ The Qur’an states Muhammad was the first Muslim. ( Surah 6:163). However,it also that Abraham who lived centuries before Muhammad was a Muslim. ( Surah 3:67). And The Qur’an states that the disciples of Jesus who lived before Muhammad were also Muslims. ( Surah 5:111). In fact, the Qur’an claims that all prophets, from the time of Abraham to Muhammad were Muslims. (Surah 22:78)

QUESTION :
Since the Qur’an states that Muhammad was the first Muslim, while at the same time declaring that there were Muslims before the time of Muhammad, is this not a clear proof of the existence of a contradiction in the Qur’an?
How are you going to reconcile the
Qur’an’s claim that Muhammad was the
first Muslim with the Qur’an’s statement that Abraham who lived before him was also a Muslim?
How are you going to reconcile the
Qur’an’s claim that Muhammad was the
first Muslim with the Qur’an’s statement that the disciples of Jesus who lived before him were Muslims?
Do you not agree that if Abraham was
truly a Muslim as the Qur’an claims,
then Muhammad cannot be the first
Muslim?
Do you not agree that if the disciples of
Jesus were truly Muslims as the Qur’an
claims, then Muhammad cannot be the
first Muslim?

Smart you bro....nice one.
Re: Jesus And All Of The Prophets Before Him Pray The Same As Muslims Pray Today by plappville(f): 1:18am On Nov 14, 2015
kestolove95:
Jesus never beat band and dance in holy place, mary never xpos her hair even d one the catholics mould wear hijabs...so I ask, what's wrong with the christians? Why have dey allow d white to modernise dia religion?...I dare any christian to show me one mary's picture without hijab or vail

You see how ignorant you are. What picture are you talking about? Did the bible present any picture of biblical figures? Be decieved by those art painting work people sell to you. Sigh**.


SEE WHAT JESUS SAID:



Bible > John > Chapter 4 > Verse 22

◄ John 4:22 ►
You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews
Re: Jesus And All Of The Prophets Before Him Pray The Same As Muslims Pray Today by plappville(f): 1:22am On Nov 14, 2015
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Re: Jesus And All Of The Prophets Before Him Pray The Same As Muslims Pray Today by yetunsbay(m): 9:20am On Nov 14, 2015
Seriously nothing like Purity in Christianity. All the same once you believe Jesus isn't God then happy independence
Re: Jesus And All Of The Prophets Before Him Pray The Same As Muslims Pray Today by yetunsbay(m): 9:21am On Nov 14, 2015
Seriously nothing like Purity in Christianity. All the same once you believe Jesus isn't God then happy independence

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