they are real, havnt you heard of spirit husbands/wives??

ikes9:


Really?? How do yhu know this

well now you know. Ignorance won't be an excuse.

4C2215131:


We all know? Ah me I don't know o!

GOD isn't male. Like I said, there is nothing like gender in heaven.

Sarassin:


Just curious, how do we all know that God isn't male? If memory serves me right isn't the ancient of days portrayed as an extremely old venerable chap with a long flowing beard?

female demons conceive from men and vice versa. These demons are known as incubus/succubus. Most victims don't even know when they become pregnant for these demons, only fervent prayers expose them.

vooks:

Hmmmm
Do female demons conceive from men or do women conceive from male demons, or is it a case of both?

trapQ:
GOD isn't male. Like I said, there is nothing like gender in heaven.

Is that your own opinion then ? perhaps you think the "ancient of days" described in the OT was just a woman in drag?

Demons are evil spirit, this are the spirit of the Nephilim I.e the offspring of the Union of The Fallen Angels and the daughters of men that were slaughtered by the flood. They were great giants on earth then and terrorize normal men, Their spirit is not divine nor earthly, it's not angelic nor humane therefore they don't belong to the terrestrial nor the celestial realms, so are therefore termed evil,and a hordes of them habitate the second heaven, this earthly period of the nephilimz spanned over hundreds of years before God finally destroy them with the flood after when the cry of normal men went up in agony against the Giants. Before the flood came and finish them up, there came a war that spread among the Giants that makes them kill themselves even before their fallen angelic father's and they couldn't help it, thou not utterly due they kill themselves until the flood finish everything on earth then except Noah and his family in the ark. Their dead bodies were concealed in the depth of the earth by angel uriel in a place unknown till date and their fallen angelic father's are kept in chains in the abyss to be release to cause massive destruction during the great tribulation and then be finally judge and condemned to the lake that burn with fire and brimstone alongside with the spirit of their earthly offspring the evil spirit and every damned souls of men, this punishment is great for the soul of man but their is no going back the only remedy is the blood of Jesus, seek it now that you have access to it. The LORD is GREAT, MERCIFUL and yet TERRIBLE.

Thanks.

NOTE:: Spirit have no gender it can assume any sex, any form, operate in any accessible dimension at anytime in anywhere.

trapQ:
To the best of my knowledge, no one so far has said that angels are males. Angels are sexless. The same way we're gonna be in heaven. The fact that they bear names such as michael, Gabriel etc doesn't make them males. Most angels have names ending in "iel". By the way, the names "gabriel " or "michael" were never borne by humans before angels started appearing to humans. Humans were the ones that asserted those names to be male names.

Also do not think they are males simply because they're being referred to as "he". God is also being referred to as HE, but we all know that God isn't a male.

We are gonna be sexless? Ahahahahahahahah. If we are gonna be sexless, I wonder why we were made male and female in d first place. u are only saying what u think, not what really is. Ayam looking for a female angel oo.

Abeg make una put una eyes down read Bible well nah.
If spirits get gender (in their own realm) why Jesus go tell us say, wen we go heaven we go dey like angels without gender? This ur bobo or babe wey dey shark ur heaad now, u go see am differently. Aah na wao.

Na for earth (material) world here dem dey take form wey God use create man appear to man, so that man go fit relate with dem.

Some people sef. Dem dey say demons diff from fallen angels. Na waooo.
Abeg na dey falling turn dem to demons ooo. Na de same creatures or beings dem be. Dat na semantics. Calling one thing double names.
Make the sex or gender of God no bcome matter here sef. God na "I Am, who I am" meaning, him be everything u want am to be or who him want be.
Forget him gender, take him love.
Peace.

trapQ:
female demons conceive from men and vice versa. These demons are known as incubus/succubus. Most victims don't even know when they become pregnant for these demons, only fervent prayers expose them.

Really?
Would you say the ignorant victims who have no clue what is going on are sinners on this account?

No....I won't call them sinners cuz its done against their will. plus it also happens to strong Christians too. like a chorister and prayer warrior in my church who suffered this fate for seven years.

vooks:

Really?
Would you say the ignorant victims who have no clue what is going on are sinners on this account?

I am not saying what I think. What I think doesnt count. only the truth of his word counts.

We were made male and female on earth ONLY for reproduction, so we could multiply and fill the earth. Heaven isn't place of sexual pervasiveness. We neither marry or are given in marriage in heaven.

check Matthew 22:29-30

bronzegoddess:


We are gonna be sexless? Ahahahahahahahah. If we are gonna be sexless, I wonder why we were made male and female in d first place. u are only saying what u think, not what really is. Ayam looking for a female angel oo.

there's a woman I know who had a spiritual husband. She used to moan in the physical whenever he met her in her sleep. Her physical husband always found himself on the floor even after lying on the bed. The spiritual husband was responsible for that. He was jealous and would drag the woman's real husband to the floor. The woman also claimed to have heard mysterious cries of babies in her room on many occasions.

This isn't just a story, she saw the spiritual husband many times. Some of them also rape their victims. And some victims wake up with sperm on them.

ikes9:


Really?? How do yhu know this

This is a nice thread; great work by the op. meanwhile; i would be contributing and sharing experiences on this thread. For those who do not believe ask your spiritual eyes to be opened and turn to GOD. angels, demons, spiritual wife, husband etc are all real. Alot happens in the spiritual

Gboliwe:

I sent two emails to your icloud address, you didn't even acknowledge receipt.

Sowwy Bros G, haven't checked in a while Have even forgotten I have such

mayorall:




Thank you ma.

CharlyG1:


Thank you for the prayer & encouragement Dear. God will continue to bless you and strengthen you too in Jesus' Name.. Amen.

You are both welcome Sir.

CharlyG1:


Wow. Great confidence you have there. You speak like a soldier of Christ, like Prophet Elijah.

I pray God continues to keep you, direct you and prosper you in Jesus Name.. Amen.

Amen in Jesus' name. And I pray the same for you too.

I love my Almighty awesome Heavenly Father so much words cannot even quantify it. He never fails, He is always making a way for me, I will forever give Him praise and honour and celebrate His glorious name and He will forever remain the owner of my soul.

Sarassin:


Just curious, how do we all know that God isn't male? If memory serves me right isn't the ancient of days portrayed as an extremely old venerable chap with a long flowing beard?

The Most High God was in the male form when He was revealed to me


Out of curiosity, I used to be a rabid sceptic before and never believed there was a God out there and I have read many of these things you and Sukkot tend to talk about - such as the paranormal, the supernatural, remote viewing, extrasensory agent, energetic transmutation, Psychokinetic energy, zero point energy, quantum physics, wormholes, Blackholes, supernovae, sunken stars, dark energy, dark continent, UFO's, shape shifters, astral magic, empirical philosophers, stuffs about space and other galaxies and planets, ancient Egyptian pyramid stories, "intelligence", gamma ray, radars, infrasounds, sensors, radio waves, super EMP weapons, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera - and all have led me back to the glaring fact that love is the greatest energy out there and there is God and seeing Jesus Christ in the flesh beside Him has solidified my faith that this is the way to go.


The funniest true shite I read was how whites marvel and shake their head at us blacks, that there is this place "out there" in the cosmos where you see blacks clamouring and falling over themselves to harness "power" and all we use it for is to harm each other's progress and do juju and other petty evil stuffs to one another, that don't we realise the 100% karma behind this?! They have recently been using it a lot but this is what goes into their nuclear weapon, non-nuclear weapon and they give it posh names like high energy physic, EMP pulse, super energetic radiowave, infrasonic sensor, military intelligence radar, etc.

Busybody2:


The Most High God was in the male form when He was revealed to me


Out of curiosity, I used to be a rabid sceptic before and never believed there was a God out there and I have read many of these things you and Sukkot tend to talk about - such as the paranormal, the supernatural, remote viewing, extrasensory agent, energetic transmutation, Psychokinetic energy, zero point energy, quantum physics, wormholes, Blackholes, supernovae, sunken stars, dark energy, dark continent, UFO's, shape shifters, astral magic, empirical philosophers, stuffs about space and other galaxies and planets, ancient Egyptian pyramid stories, "intelligence", gamma ray, radars, infrasounds, sensors, radio waves, super EMP weapons, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera - and all have led me back to the glaring fact that love is the greatest energy out there and there is God and seeing Jesus Christ in the flesh beside Him has solidified my faith that this is the way to go.


The funniest true shite I read was how whites marvel and shake their head at us blacks, that there is this place "out there" in the cosmos where you see blacks clamouring and falling over themselves to harness "power" and all we use it for is to harm each other's progress and do juju and other petty evil stuffs to one another, that don't we realise the 100% karma behind this?! They have recently been using it a lot but this is what goes into their nuclear weapon, non-nuclear weapon and they give it posh names like high energy physic, EMP pulse, super energetic radiowave, infrasonic sensor, military intelligence radar, etc.

Quite a profound post mademoiselle Busybody2. very profound. the bible is indeed the gateway to the secrets of the galaxies. many unenlightened get lost in its literal mythology and symbolism and allegory.

Ha, this Busybody chic. I dey feel youuu. Post more nah. Be a regular here u hia?
U seem to be very vast. Hit me sideways.

dunsin125:
pls help me in prayers, my spiritual lyf ix ntn 2 write abt

Muttybabe:
GOD SHOULD PLEASE HAVE MERCY ON MY SOUL I HAVE TRIED SEVERAL TIME TO MOVE CLOSER TO GOD BUT IT SEEMS SOMETHING IS DRAWNING ME BACK. AND I KNOW VERY SURE THAT I NEED GOD'S INTERVENTION IN MY LIFE. I WISH I COULD BE A WINNER OF THIS PROBLEM

I pray God be your strength and make His strength perfect in your weakness. His grace is sufficient. He will uphold you with His right hand and strengthen you with all power according to His glorious might for all endurance and patience with joy...

May you not grow weary in Jesus' name.

sukkot:
Quite a profound post mademoiselle Busybody2. very profound. the bible is indeed the gateway to the secrets of the galaxies. many unenlightened get lost in its literal mythology and symbolism and allegory.

Could you imagine some peeps on here talking mundane pedantic stuffs about why angels are not females when there is hardcore stuffs going on out there in the cosmos and beyond! There has even been a scientific based peer reviewed grand unified theorem gagut theorem that proved the existence of the Most High God oh!


It's only recently they have started talking about potential water on Mars when they have known since yonks that there are other parallel habitable planets glistening glamorous buildings and technology we humans can only dream of, with living beings such as ET, UFO's, etc. I have been reading how Parapsychology, biological communication, psychic energy, ESP, electromagnetic technology, etc is been used in many wars by all these civilised country's military intelligence agency worldwide. Even Pentagon released a statement earlier this year about their need to use ESP(juju) for these on-going war, which you warned people was about to start, but flew over their head as usual, hmmm!


Talking of traditional religion, I sincerely hope it was not the "ifa oracle" that chose the current 419 signature-forging, criminal and rogue as the latest Ooni of Ife, who despite still having a Father/Older brother openly bribed his was through because of the new cars and transformers and property he has just decided to start building...See how they just used this dude to rubbish their supposedly highly-revered ifa tradition, smh!


Longest time jare bredrin, May God bless you for this. May we all not perish for lack of knowledge in Jesus' name. Keep posting please, I learn a lot reading from you. May wisdom and knowledge never depart from you sir. Currently reading about mindcontrol and how brainwaves can be shifted from one level of consciousness to another and how it can be tweaked round to make people feel depressed or hyper or psychic...

Anas09:
Ha, this Busybody chic. I dey feel youuu. Post more nah. Be a regular here u hia?
U seem to be very vast. Hit me sideways.

It is all thanks to peeps like Sukkot, Sarassin (give your life to Christ) Gatiano who thinks outside the box that got me reading more oh. Heard Davidylan deactivated


It's hard to post in this section without interference from such pontifical, highfalutin, extremely low frequency (ELF) zombies such as - ifeness, ghostofsparta, sylvalord, donnffd, wiegraf, 4C2215131, johnydon22, plaetton, muskeeto, davien, dalaman, pr0ton, pagan9ja, folykaze, etc with their head stuck in the sand!

Busybody2:



Could you imagine some peeps on here talking mundane pedantic stuffs about why angels are not females when there is hardcore stuffs going on out there in the cosmos and beyond! There has even been a scientific based peer reviewed grand unified theorem gagut theorem that proved the existence of the Most High God oh!


It's only recently they have started talking about potential water on Mars when they have known since yonks that there are other parallel habitable planets glistening glamorous buildings and technology we humans can only dream of, with living beings such as ET, UFO's, etc. I have been reading how Parapsychology, biological communication, psychic energy, ESP, electromagnetic technology, etc is been used in many wars by all these civilised country's military intelligence agency worldwide. Even Pentagon released a statement earlier this year about their need to use ESP(juju) for these on-going war, which you warned people was about to start, but flew over their head as usual, hmmm!


Talking of traditional religion, I sincerely hope it was not the "ifa oracle" that chose the current 419 signature-forging, criminal and rogue as the latest Ooni of Ife, who despite still having a Father/Older brother openly bribed his was through because of the new cars and transformers and property he has just decided to start building...See how they just used this dude to rubbish their supposedly highly-revered ifa tradition, smh!


Longest time jare bredrin, May God bless you for this. May we all not perish for lack of knowledge in Jesus' name. Keep posting please, I learn a lot reading from you. May wisdom and knowledge never depart from you sir. Currently reading about mindcontrol and how brainwaves can be shifted from one level of consciousness to another and how it can be tweaked round to make people feel depressed or hyper or psychic...








It is all thanks to peeps like Sukkot, Sarassin (give your life to Christ) Gatiano who thinks outside the box that got me reading more oh. Heard Davidylan deactivated


It's hard to post in this section without interference from such pontifical, highfalutin, extremely low frequency (ELF) zombies such as - ifeness, ghostofsparta, sylvalord, donnffd, 4C2215131, johnydon22, plaetton, muskeeto, davien, dalaman, pr0ton, pagan9ja, folykaze, etc with their head stuck in the sand!

[b]i see you are getting that cosmic knowledge. thats a beautiful thing because only high frequency vibration-al beings are interested in the cosmos. the bible is an astro-theological book about the cosmos amongst other wisdom embedded and coded in it, if read very well. so you are doing a good thing. those with the christ frequency will slowly be drawn into the knowledge of electromagnetic frequencies and the knowledge of the cosmos, so you are in good company. with regards to the oni of ife, i dont follow that type of thing. its all nonsense. they dabble in voodoo and orishas to be able to conjure the little energy that is at the disposal of these left hand powers but the right hand power is the real power that will be coming to those with the christ frequency. point being all that ooni of ife traditional nonsense is a form of delusion for the spiritually dead. it is to keep the spiritually dead occupied in some kind of spirituality while they are on earth, but it is a delusional category people that have been rejected by God in their previous re-incarnations are placed in by God. there are many delusional categories for the walking dead to keep them occupied in some form of counterfeit spirituality while on earth.[/b]

Busybody2:


The Most High God was in the male form when He was revealed to me


Out of curiosity, I used to be a rabid sceptic before and never believed there was a God out there and I have read many of these things you and Sukkot tend to talk about - such as the paranormal, the supernatural, remote viewing, extrasensory agent, energetic transmutation, Psychokinetic energy, zero point energy, quantum physics, wormholes, Blackholes, supernovae, sunken stars, dark energy, dark continent, UFO's, shape shifters, astral magic, empirical philosophers, stuffs about space and other galaxies and planets, ancient Egyptian pyramid stories, "intelligence", gamma ray, radars, infrasounds, sensors, radio waves, super EMP weapons, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera - and all have led me back to the glaring fact that love is the greatest energy out there and there is God and seeing Jesus Christ in the flesh beside Him has solidified my faith that this is the way to go.


The funniest true shite I read was how whites marvel and shake their head at us blacks, that there is this place "out there" in the cosmos where you see blacks clamouring and falling over themselves to harness "power" and all we use it for is to harm each other's progress and do juju and other petty evil stuffs to one another, that don't we realise the 100% karma behind this?! They have recently been using it a lot but this is what goes into their nuclear weapon, non-nuclear weapon and they give it posh names like high energy physic, EMP pulse, super energetic radiowave, infrasonic sensor, military intelligence radar, etc.

A very perceptive post. It’s very good you choose to broaden your mind and it is equally great that your journey of self-discovery has brought you the realization of the one true God.

I would just say that we survive in the chaos of the universe by picking order out of the winds. Death is certain, but life becomes possible by following patterns that lead like paths of firmer ground through the swamps of time. We breathe and bleed, we laugh and cry, we crash and die in time with universal cues.

As humans we have developed a taste for the mysterious. We have become aware of ourselves, of our life, and of the fact that we must die. We have opened a door on forethought and imagination but we have also discovered anxiety in the process.

Even those that die have not lived in vain, because news of their failure is broadcast to the universe and it becomes part of the inheritance of the living. This is the true communion.

I won’t go into the gamut of my beliefs, after-all we must not upset the religious police on these pages, suffice to say, I am no atheist, I believe fervently in the Divine, I am not Christian and never will be. I practise no religion, but I believe firmly in Jesus who for me is the God of Compassion.

let me post this. I had this dreams in space of three to four consecutive days abt where i am currently living.

In the first dream; i was awake after prayers and was lying on the bed. suddenly; i fell unconscious and asleep. I saw a light being shined in my room through my window and i began to see a reflected shadow. It was shadow of an old woman sitting in a sit before a fire. what she was doing actually i did not .

In the second dream the following day; i was sleeping and i had footsteps of someone passing the front of the inner compound and passed my side and proceeded to my neighbour's door knocked and was calling a name. Someone answered; came out and left with her. i heard them leaving. At that point, i woke up and realized it was a dream and no one was awake in the compound. i felt some signs of being attacked which actually woke me.


As i went back to sleep; later that dream continued and i heard footsteps n sound of someone return to that same room. i woke up and it was some minutes before 5:30am . NO ONE WAS AWAKE AND OUTSIDE IN THE COMPOUND and i realized it was same dream

The next day; i heard when the same person came back after their gathering. it was like real life i only realized it was a dream when i woke up.


In one of my earlier dream before all these above; i once saw fetish images that were like small statues used for idol worship near a wall close to my apartment. After the above dreams i started to understand. The first time i ever such thing abt a place was in my lodge at school; then i was too ignorant and did not understand; then in that dream my room was scattered and evrything upside down ONLY those small statues were standing normal.

@busybody.
You shouldn't have mentioned these boys scout. They'll flood this thread and totally derail it.
@CharlyG pls don't allow this thread go down.

The idea that demons are disembodied spirits of the nephilim is false and unbiblical.

trapQ:
No....I won't call them sinners cuz its done against their will. plus it also happens to strong Christians too. like a chorister and prayer warrior in my church who suffered this fate for seven years.

Seven years?

Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.
..... Jeremiah 33:3.

yes dear. seven years.

This issue is one of the worst spiritual problems anyone could have. If one is delivered from these demons, and fall back into sin, his/her latter condition will be worse because that demon will bring other 7stronger demons next time. Thats why it seems the that the problem keeps recurring after deliverance.

vooks:

Seven years?

Busybody2:



Could you imagine some peeps on here talking mundane pedantic stuffs about why angels are not females when there is hardcore stuffs going on out there in the cosmos and beyond! There has even been a scientific based peer reviewed grand unified theorem gagut theorem that proved the existence of the Most High God oh!


It's only recently they have started talking about potential water on Mars when they have known since yonks that there are other parallel habitable planets glistening glamorous buildings and technology we humans can only dream of, with living beings such as ET, UFO's, etc. I have been reading how Parapsychology, biological communication, psychic energy, ESP, electromagnetic technology, etc is been used in many wars by all these civilised country's military intelligence agency worldwide. Even Pentagon released a statement earlier this year about their need to use ESP(juju) for these on-going war, which you warned people was about to start, but flew over their head as usual, hmmm!


Talking of traditional religion, I sincerely hope it was not the "ifa oracle" that chose the current 419 signature-forging, criminal and rogue as the latest Ooni of Ife, who despite still having a Father/Older brother openly bribed his was through because of the new cars and transformers and property he has just decided to start building...See how they just used this dude to rubbish their supposedly highly-revered ifa tradition, smh!


Longest time jare bredrin, May God bless you for this. May we all not perish for lack of knowledge in Jesus' name. Keep posting please, I learn a lot reading from you. May wisdom and knowledge never depart from you sir. Currently reading about mindcontrol and how brainwaves can be shifted from one level of consciousness to another and how it can be tweaked round to make people feel depressed or hyper or psychic...








It is all thanks to peeps like Sukkot, Sarassin (give your life to Christ) Gatiano who thinks outside the box that got me reading more oh. Heard Davidylan deactivated


It's hard to post in this section without interference from such pontifical, highfalutin, extremely low frequency (ELF) zombies such as - ifeness, ghostofsparta, sylvalord, donnffd, wiegraf, 4C2215131, johnydon22, plaetton, muskeeto, davien, dalaman, pr0ton, pagan9ja, folykaze, etc with their head stuck in the sand!

This is absolutely brilliant..May the almighty God keep showering you his blessings.

I sent you a pm pls kindly respond.. Thanks

bronzegoddess:


We are gonna be sexless? Ahahahahahahahah. If we are gonna be sexless, I wonder why we were made male and female in d first place. u are only saying what u think, not what really is. Ayam looking for a female angel oo.

We were given genders to LIVE on earth in the flesh and to multiply

The Lord gave me sweet sleep. I woke up to a beautiful morning.

Proverbs 3 vs 24 is on point:

When you lie down, you will not be afraid; when you lie down, your sleep will be sweet.


Good Morning Folks

sukkot:
[b]i see you are getting that cosmic knowledge. thats a beautiful thing because only high frequency vibration-al beings are interested in the cosmos. the bible is an astro-theological book about the cosmos amongst other wisdom embedded and coded in it, if read very well. so you are doing a good thing. those with the christ frequency will slowly be drawn into the knowledge of electromagnetic frequencies and the knowledge of the cosmos, so you are in good company.

Hmmm, so those EMF stuffs are real, wow! Fascinating topic if I may say! So how does one find out what sorta modern day technology uses such because I was just reading how they can be used to tamper with earth's EMF and are being experimented on humans

Again it's all thanks to knowledgeable folks like you, Sarassin, billionaire, Davidylan, etc and of course by the grace of the Most High God, that I have been able to use what I read to connect the dot/fill in the gaps/helped me see through the murky waters...I have always had a voracious appetite for reading since I was young and have been aware of these subjects as far back as I can remember, just that I was reading so I could have something to talk about and not be in the dark! When you have time kindly pray for me that the recurring morbid macabre thought of mine that of one of my bookcases (with over 7000 books and counting) will not come to pass and fall in my head and become the end of me Lol.

sukkot:

with regards to the oni of ife, i dont follow that type of thing. its all nonsense. they dabble in voodoo and orishas to be able to conjure the little energy that is at the disposal of these left hand powers but the right hand power is the real power that will be coming to those with the christ frequency. point being all that ooni of ife traditional nonsense is a form of delusion for the spiritually dead. it is to keep the spiritually dead occupied in some kind of spirituality while they are on earth, but it is a delusional category people that have been rejected by God in their previous re-incarnations are placed in by God. there are many delusional categories for the walking dead to keep them occupied in some form of counterfeit spirituality while on earth.

Thanks for breaking it down succinctly as usual Mr-Sukkot-aka-Mr-Fountain-of-knowledge. I am thankful we weren't forced into any religion growing up and we were left well alone to remain free spirits otherwise God knows how deeply entrenched I would have been! So I guess this kinda helped gave me the leverage and chance to sit on the fence for years when it came to deciding what religion I wanted to end up in!



I am from that background but asides from using 'em endless beads and irukere and the doors it wouldn't stop opening in Nigeria and those tiresome fawning adulation and blarney and the occasionally posing with the Ooni's staff, I don't know diddlysquat about it all and have always been amused and bemused by the whole charade!

sonofthunder:
Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.
..... Jeremiah 33:3.

The Bible verse I love is the part Jesus Christ says He and His Father God will reveal themselves to those who love them and do their will.

fzero:

This is absolutely brilliant..May the almighty God keep showering you his blessings.

I sent you a pm pls kindly respond.. Thanks

Thanks a lot Sir.

Sure. Will do.

Anas09:
@busybody.
You shouldn't have mentioned these boys scout. They'll flood this thread and totally derail it.
@CharlyG pls don't allow this thread go down.

Lol, they wouldn't show face. They are wanderers and drifters angry at the fact that they were dragged to Church from a very young age probably against their will but were too cowardly to do anything about it.

They were probably exposed to traumatising and questionable behaviours in some churches/by some church members/some Christians and have used that as a reference point to turn their backs on God unbeknown to them that no one is perfect and there is no one without sins and yes even Christians sin too. So they are now doing transferred and referred aggression and taking this out on us followers of Jesus Christ rather than go and face their parents who unwittingly let them down